How To Install A Shower Pan Base And Drain - FAST And EASY!
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- čas přidán 3. 06. 2024
- In this video, I'm going to show you how to install a shower pan base and drain - fast and easy! This is a great DIY project that can save you money, and it's not as hard as you might think. So watch the video, follow the steps, and enjoy your new shower!
Here is the follow up video. How To Plumb A Shower Drain - Connecting Shower Drain To Plumbing
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Timestamps
Intro 00:00
Shower drain install 01:23
Leveling shower base 05:59
Mortar mixing And spreading 07:50
Setting shower pan 09:95
Anchoring shower pan 10:01
Outro 10:44
Disclaimer: This video is all based on my personal opinion and is for entertainment purposes ONLY. I am not a financial advisor, CPA, attorney, tax advisor, electrician, plumber, housing contractor, designer, or any type of profession to give advice. I am just a consumer sharing my experiences and research. If you do need knowledge for those types of things, I will advise you to seek help for those professionals. - Jak na to + styl
Here is the follow up video on how to plumb the drain
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I watched your video, that's how I learned how to do it myself. I am 67 and still learning.
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Do you have videos of doing a walk in shower with those stick on wall panels ? That would be very helpful . Thanks
Concise. No dumb jokes or music. It's a very helpful video
Make sure to read the instructions on the drain to ensure you use the proper material i.e. plumbers putty vs silicone. Some newer acrylic materials call for silicone only because the plumbers putty will break down the plastic.
As a licensed professional plumber, I would NEVER drill through the flange. That can lead to failure. Instead, use #10 or #12 wood screws and stainless washers and screw them in just ABOVE the flange, catching the flange only with the washers. This requires you notch out the backer board for the screws. You don't want any penetrations in the flange area. Do not count on waterproof coatings or membranes to fix that issue. The flange is there for catching any water that gets behind and you don't want to compromise that.
Other than that, I'm glad someone on CZcams finally gets it right by using a mortar bed. I do mine differently, by using long mounds that get squished as you set it, but , at least, you understand the importance of bedding your pan. Same goes for a bath tub. It'll now support a 400 person walking around on it, as long as your joists and subfloor are properly stout enough.
I Agree Totally With You . There is No Good Reason to do it the way he did it .
I didn't see how he glue the last drain pipe??
@RICK MERAZ Not if he's screwing throught the flange, he isn't. Get a clue on waterproofing.
..even your way the flange could crack just as easily ..
@@francom6230 no it won't unless you're tightening the hell out of the screws. The flange is caught underneath by the ledger boards, caught on top by the screws. And only snugged to the walls, held by large washers that distribute the load of the screws across a wide area. They don't need to be anymore than snug with the flanges pulled all the way to the wall. Screwing through flanges introduces a water leaking issue you don't want. No legit plumber I know installs them that way.
the most crucial part is missing: how to connect the drain to the pipe...
That was very interesting. You did a great job, very solid install! So the shims were to lift the pan slightly for draining.
Love that shower pan, very nice!
Josh is the best. I wish I had him as an instructor for wood/metal/small eng shop back in grade school. MAYBE that would have kept me from hanging out, by the bleacher's, with the burnouts.
Type S. Mortar. Good presentation.
I find when mixing mortar in a bucket, it's better to put about 80% of your water in first, which for a full pail is about 4 inches. Then add about half your dry ingredients, mix it into a slurry, then add the rest. This help prevent dry mix from collection in the bottom corners after mixing.
The biggest part I wanted to see was how you made sure the drain actually hooked up to the drain pipe.
You hook the drain up _after_ you set the tub. You can swing a trap if necessary. It's not like a toilet where you have to aim to seat the drain.
That’s exactly what I wanted to see also. He didn’t use any glue or talk about making the connection either. But besides that great video.
Only 2 ways to set this...... applying glue right before setting into mortar bed (assuming your dry fit showed you were "spot on"... OR set AFTER putting into mortar bed....pvc pipe sticks up higher than normal (every drain/mfg requires a different height) and you put a rubber ring around the outside of the vertical pvc pipe, then it gets "locked down" with a brass set ring that screws into main pvc drain and pushes against rubber seal to compress it against vertical pvc drain pipe.. since he did not pop off the metal drain top, I could not see which version he was using here....but assume from what I saw that his was the glue type only.... this has got to be one of the hardest parts about shower pans so it would be great if you can post a follow-up/replacement video to show this step in detail for everyone....seems like most wanted to see that part!! Thanks for the post!
Exactly, they shows everything super detailed that's common sense, money parts are always... "and I checked its perfectly aligned.. LOL how????"
@@robertforehand1631 being an offset drain the thick rubber o ring would not work I don't think ,IMO are the best and easiest
Always helpful information I love the way you explain step by step 👍🏻
I’m glad you enjoyed the video! Thanks for the comment!
@@TheExcellentLaborershould I install bathroom fan before I do this?
Nice thanks it help me a lot
Great video, thank you!
mortar from center and out is all that's needed since thats were it may flex,,permitter is super strong ,,just use mud to level ,,no shims needed,,,good job josh
Man you are a wealth of knowledge. How did you learn all this stuff? just by "doing"?
It’s good to know I’m not a builder but love to watch
I saw you drop the pan but couldn’t figure how the drain connected to the drain pipe ? No putty or silicone?
Thanks Josh!! Another outstanding video 🤙❤️
Thanks Todd! I hope all of your projects have been coming together well. Glad to see you stop by!
@@TheExcellentLaborer Excellent Video....I became a DIY guy not to long ago after I purchased my first home. I am currently installing one of these pans but my floor is cement. Do you use PVC glue prior to setting the pan on the Mortar and into main pipe? Thanks in advance Sir!
How was the pan drain fittings connected/glued to the underground sewer lines ? That was the part I needed help with. I'm baffled by your method, did I miss a step ?
just dont use water and you will be fine
My guess would be the hookup was done from the ceiling below.
Thanks
Thank you
quick tip, I keep lipstick in my tool box for instances like this. I place the lipstick on the feet and then when I dry set the pan, the lipstick shows where the feet are. I hate measuring if I do not have to.
omg... when I saw lipstick I started to sweat
If you ever get the opportunity too a video on a tileable shower pan with bench installation would be awesome. You're videos are great 👍🏻.
I will keep that idea in mind. Thank for your support!
Nice work and attention to detail 👍
I appreciate that BRT! Shower pans may not look as good as tiled bases but much quicker for sure. Thanks for watching!
@@TheExcellentLaborer for sure 👍 I’m doing one tomorrow, 😆. With all the cost increases many people are trying to save a little bit in areas. A shower base can be half the cost in some cases.
@@BathroomRemodelingTeacher Oh yeah I have always been a fan of the prefab shower pans. I did a few without them and it is a lot more work too. Good luck with your project!
You should have your own show. I love how meticulous you are, that makes for a perfect job👍🏻
Sign a petition to get The Excellent Laborer on HGTV! I appreciate your kind words that would be cool to have my own TV show. CZcams is just as cool I think lol. Thanks for commenting and watching!
Great stuff man. I really appreciate your explanations
Don’t ever use drywall screws, or any counter sunk screws, it will crack the shower pan. I use a flat screw with a large head, made for metal lathe. They look similar to a Krag screw, but are stainless, and the head is larger.
Yes. Great reminder 👏🏼
Just use the same coated screws you'd use for the backer board. They have a flat washer style head and are actually made for shower installations.
Awesomeness job
Great video got a question what if you have to remove old tile flooring to put a pan what do I do about the lip of the pan do I have to cut bottom tiles out of the walls?
Good job man.
Thank you 💪🏻. I’m glad you liked it!
You showed me how to put entrance doors in and J-channel around one of them.👍
So does the tub drain assembly just slip fit over the main foundation drain pipe or inside of the main foundation drain pipe? And does it get glued together? Thank you!
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I use coated deck screws to secure mine. Drywall screws rust in short order in a moist environment.
Great video my friend
I appreciate that Noah. I’m just glad to see you comment on the video. Thanks for watching!
I like you videos. I'm from Porterville California much love bro ❤ I just watched you tile video 👏🙏
Hey Abraham! California is a long ways from me. That is so cool you’re watching my contact from there. I hope you like the tile video as well! Thanks for watching!
Yea I like your videos bro who wouldn't I wished you helped me install my tile inside my garage but the tile video you put that will help me alot thanks 😇
When screwing the drain in, is there a certain amount tension I need to know before I go to tight and crack the acrylic?
Great job Josh. I've had people argue with me about using a cement mix on shower pans along with tubs. Most all manufacturers recommend doing it to have a secure surface and solid for a warranty issue as well. Same thing using felt paper is always best so everything cures naturally. I've used the kerdi system as well which the drain system is an amazing setup. Using the membrane on the walls which can be applied over drywall as well.
Fastening the fiberglass base, I've used stainless screws and countersink them a bit. Still a wonderful description of the process and offset drains. 👍🏻👍🏻
You definitely cannot beat having mortar under the shower pan. I have stepped on shower pans without mortar and you can tell a big difference. The Kerdi system looks interesting but I have never used it. It does look like a good set up. Thank you for stopping by and watching my Sunday video release!
Cement mix as opposed to what, having no bed at all and putting the pan directly on plywood?
@@mr.g937 yes. Basically most manufacturers recommend using a cement mix under the tub or shower base unit. The other shower product, schluter, is a fantastic system. The shower pan and drain system is basically a no leak system when installed correctly. Take a look at this product for a shower system.
Previous owner never cemented our pan now its cracked and we need to buy a whole new shower because we can't get parts for it .. not doing that will cost us $700 for new shower plus labor and tiling to put it in
If shower pan has 12 round legs under it 5 inch diameter..Can I skip mortar
Awesome job Josh! how many of the Mosaic Tile you purchased, and how many cases of tile did you purchase? I am actually using the same tile . my shower is the same size as yours.
Great sharing lodz some negative comments just egnored them but they are important for the view 😅😅watching from Canada 🇨🇦
If I have a concrete slab, how do I know how far to have the drain above the foundation?
Question. Renovating an old cabin. The new shower pan drain is about 2” off both ways of the house drain. What can I use to make up that difference to align them? Thanks for the videos
WhF would you suggest when putting galvanized tn the walls
Do you have a video for shower mud pan install?
Good
Thank you!
Nice video helped me out thanks:),.;)
You are welcome Arthur!
Skip the putty and use silicone, especially in a tub or shower pan. Eventually you'll be cutting a hole in your ceiling after a leak caused by cracked putty. Putty is fine in a sink, but not a tub or shower.
putty says “do not use on plastic” on the container.
Putty has been used on tubs for decades The rubber gasket below creates the seal. Same thing on a sink.
Some bases such as dreamline actually calls for silicone in the instructions
He didnt glue his drain connection either.
Bro if you know how to do this why are you watching it? Make a video then.
Screws would be better. But I know a lot of construction crews try to cut every corner and do it as cheap as they can.
How do you attach the drain to the pipe? Do you have access to the underneath? What do you do if you don't?
So you connected to drain to the shower pan, but not the drain to floor?
Do you cut a hole in the ceiling and hook that up after?
You didn’t show how you removed the drain cover from the drain in the floor or how you made sure the offset drain was lined up.
Hi Josh, enjoyed your videos on the showers. Gary here, You are gonna hear from me a bit as I am taking on a shower redo from a full one piece shower that I will be tearing out. and seeing what i am dealing with from there. I will use a shower pan and tiling the rest with a detail around 6 foot. I hope not to have to build my own shower base due to dimensions,
Hey Gary! Sounds like you got a big project ahead of you. Just make sure you have everything ready to go so it goes quick and smooth. Good luck with your project!
my only thought would be why the tar paper? mortar bonds fine to the cement via the use of a bonding agent (epoxy) and you could even use a modified thinset product for added strength. Guess the felt would add some extra moisture barrier between the pan and the concrete.
I believe it is to keep the sub-floor from absorbing all the moisture from the mortar. Cheers!
The subfloor is wood. Wood would absorb the moisture from the mud possibly rotting the wood and ruining the setting of the pan into the mud.
Does the base should be level or one side a bit up for the water to go in drain?
Will thin set work?
I understand that hands on learning is the best method to learn. But like any other profession. Is there anything I could study to learn some things of the trade?
Hey Josh - love your videos. Dumb question for you: you didn't show cementing the drain opening to the drain pipe. Did you do this when you installed the pan? thanks!
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Congratulations on learning and earning! I’m still learning new things every day in the field. I love construction. I appreciate you watching and good luck with your business!
I’m trying to see the process of assembling the panels
Just used lepage 2 in 1 Express Silicone and it failed the leak test, called them Henkel and they said it is not for use to seal drain, it says on label premium flexibility sealant. Josh have you had any problems with plumbers putty yellowing or degrading the fibreglass? Love all your videos!
do we really have to put cement underneath the shower ? what if is level and dont add cement will be alright or have to put cement anyways?
How do you tackle if the drain system in the floor is too high cannot be lowered for correct pitch to drain. I came upon a concrete floor with a roughed in system, the ABS feed pipe is 1 1/2 inches below the floor level but needs to be extended another 14 inches to drain location so the pipe would be too high to get the drain assembly and pan to sit flat on the floor. I think I need 3/4 -1 inch of rise on the floor. To get the pan installed
i have a plans to renovation my small shower with 47", but the shower pan come with minimun 48", can i cut the studs around the shower to fit the shower pan (48") inside my space (47)?
please make a video on your knowledge source just kidding 😁😁love to watch your videos
Hello Sir, why we need shim under the shower pan?
I used stainless steel lattice screws instead of the galvanized nails.
That’s a good idea. Thanks for your input!
Have termite damage in the bathroom walls, since they're not load bearing they can be sistered so I have something to hang concrete backer board and Sheetrock on. It's the outside walls that concern me.
I added a shower pan and they recommend silicone and not plumbers putty.
Every manufacture has its recommendations.
need some advice, my screw in Oatey drain is slightly above the pan when fully screwed in...is that correct? shouldn't it be recessed down or even level?
Shouldn’t it be a angled towards the drain or does the pan comes a little slant?
Can i install a shower base over waterproof flooring?
How did you connect the drain in the shower pan to the pipe below?
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How did u attach drain to the pipe underneath, glue?? i must have missed that part
What kind of screws do I use to install the same shower?
Why can't u use mortar mix bags from Home Depot? Why go through all that mixing from scratch ? Also some manufactures like Delta, states that if base is level, mo extra cement base is needed. Are you ok with that instruction??
Also , on installing the Otay drain, can you take it apart and glue in the lower half of the Otay drain and then lay down the fiberglass pan down on top of drain installed and then put plumber putty on final piece of the Otay drain and then screw in the top portion into the drain ? Or you have to do u have to do it the way you did it in this video ??
Sorry for so many questions.
and yhe pipe conection????
Here is the video czcams.com/video/3g3TMrkGqPs/video.html Hope that helps!
Answer to all the drain pipe questions... He has a crawl space under the shower and shows this in the next video.
Thank you for this comment!
Do i have to use cement board if i want to install a corner shower board from delta??? Helppppp❤
Don't you use solvant to glue the underneath pipe with the drain?
I was going to use Palisade tiles and I’m concerned the nail head Will stick out too far. Also how to run the tile over that shower pan lip.
Does the felt paper only get placed under the tub enclosure pan, or can you run it up the sides, above the tub pan a ways?
Thank you.
You could run it up to sides but it’s really not necessary. Hope that helps!
Can you use felt paper over OSB flooring so I can put down thinset before durock?
Use a Kerdi membrane or Kerdi board instead.
What brand is this shower pan thanks
that shower base can "receive" either a wall surround or tile correct?
Hey y'all, check your manufacturers instructions - mine says not to use plumber putty because it will "degrade bathtub material" -- says to use latex/acrylic sealant or a gasket
Would this be OK? Shim out the shower pan 1/2" from the wall and cut cement board to sit on top of the flange. Silicone caulk that joint. This way the tiles can be placed over the shower pan flange almost touching the pan. Silicone that joint too.
Hi Josh, came across your site enjoyed the videos including your install instructions. I'm in the process of demo and will be installing a shower base/pan. I'm concerned about quality. Can you recommend a quality unit, or the name of the manufacturer for the shower pan installed? Thanks!
I am ordering mine online from a company, Custom Shower Bases, in Calgary, Canada. I needed to have my shower pan custom made and I really like what they have to offer. They have three type of bases, assortment of colors, base shape, wall locations, threshold and drain types. Much less expensive that what I can find locally. Good Luck!
Hey I have a question. What is the difference between using a shower pan and the dry pack method? What is your opinion on the two? Thanks great video!
The dry pack mud pan is a lot more work and time consuming. Some would argue it looks better because you can put tile over it. Unlike the shower pan you see here it is fiberglass and you do not tile over it. My opinion is that it is not worth the extra effort to do a dry pack mud pan. I think the fiberglass pans work just as good. Hope that helps!
@@TheExcellentLaborer thanks for responding it helps a whole bunch and cleared up some confusion
@@ridinrancher9443 I have seen lots of service issues with the daypack method in regards to leaks around the drain, and daypack crumbling into the drain hole in the subfloor!
So when you find you center on the drain do u measure using the studs so when i order the shower they come precut for darin and it will fit perfect?
Yes, it’s roughy framing measurements. Hope that helps!
Yes, because most people have a 1/2 ton of sand delivered so that they can install a shower pan! Are you out of your mind, who is going to have a pile of sand sitting around to do a bathroom job? I spoke with Custom this morning (they're owned by Quikrete) and was told specifically to use "deck mud" but that's not carried in my area so I was instructed by Custom/Quikrete to use their sand topping mix for this.
Do you need to use pvc cement for the drain to the pipe?
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Hi Josh, can I ask how the drain part connect ? just put in ?
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You should get a large commission.
It helps the channel. Nothing crazy though.
How did you hook up the drain pipe to the tub drain
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Question, I didn’t see you use any sealant on the drain that was going onto the drain pipe. Did I just miss that step, or is there another trick to it? I don’t have the space to get under the pan once it’s set, so I’ll have to do it in one go - any tips or tricks is appreciated! Also, if the drain pipe was just installed slightly off, could I use an offset drain to make up the difference, or better to cut and replace to make use a regular drain?
That was my question also. I saw another video where a rubber ring was installed from tge top that sealed pipe and drain (like a compression fitting). I presume it's that style. I have the same issue, don't want to cut ceiling open below where shower is
Professionals never use the fiber gasket they put spit on the gasket then tighten it! You must also make sure the putty doe not get between gasket!
where did you buy shower pan from? ty deb
This one came from Lowes. Home Depot also carries it. Hope that helps!
If my pan will sit on concrete floor and not wood, do I still need to lay down roofing paper first?
Thank you!
It would not be necessary on a concrete floor. Hope that helps!
Much thanks !
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Which shower pan is that?
Great video. I watch your videos from Canada.
Canada! I love Canada. Thanks for watching!