USA, but only Historical Presets & Divisions In HOI4?
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- čas přidán 18. 01. 2024
- What if you were FORCED into being historical in Hearts of Iron 4? What if you played the USA and could only use the regular historical designs?
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I've been on a HOI4 binge of using only the historical presets given by Paradox, alongside accurate, historical division organization. Can I do the same as the USA, and support the world through lend-lease?
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USA, but only Historical Presets & Divisions In HOI4?
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The accidentally historically accurate "Germany First" with all the Pacific divisions getting smoked is great.
It's beautiful in its horror, isn't it? :D
m3 lee model on the right: has a fixed superstructure
aldrahill: WHY DOES IT HAVE A FIXED SUPERSTRUCTURE
Young me felt this pain- first in WoT, "WHY WONT MY TURRET WORK-oh the 75 is down there-WHY IS IT DOWN THERE"
yeah back when wot was good, now i only play arty when im watching youtube bc its afk sim@@user-bn5df6hl1d
@@user-bn5df6hl1dit’s such a weird ass tank
@@user-bn5df6hl1dHistorically, the 75mm was fitted to that hull superstructure because they didn't have a turret big enough to fit the 75mm in production yet, as the prototypes of what would become the M4 Sherman were still undergoing trials.
If you’re going to LARP as the USA, you gotta d-day in Normandy, and you gotta use at least 2 airborne divisions.
That's true :( I didn't even get to Band of Brothers in Normandy :(
Within the systems of HOI IV the Lee/Grant having a fixed superstructure is *technically* accurate, as the 75mm gun was considered its main armament, with the turret being auxiliary and primarily for anti-tank use (which was not what the M3 was intended for at all, it was very much an infantry support tank).
i would say itd be more realistic to do a 2 man turret with small cannon and use the additional turret modification to represent the side gun as im pretty sure the icon for it is even a sponson like the lee has
@@boriskoz8042 The icon for the additional turret is more in reference to the twin-turret tank designs of the inter-war periods such as with the m2a2. There were also early issues with making a turret ring that was reinforced enough to absorb the shock of the 75mm gun firing and to get around that, American tank designers used a French solution (put the big gun in a sponson within the main hull and use smaller guns for interim fires).
Ignoring the London naval threat warning does actually have consequences. You lost 10% stability due to that which if you’re trying to be super efficient is actually a pretty big deal.
shit... xD
"why does the Lee have a fixed superstructure?"
Well If you used your eyeballs on the model of the tank you can see the big honking gun is... fixed... to the hull
Damn good point :xD still weird though
In terms of modern ideas of tanks, sure.
But when you unlock the basic Med Chassis the initial reliability is somewhere around 70% and only goes down as you add things. Meanwhile a fixed superstructure increases reliability. So that can help to explain the design.
As for why they did that in real life, beats me.@@Aldrahill
@@masonpellazar6543 interwar tank design where weirds that why and also a fixed turret was more stable and so more useful in long range so best for Tank Destroyer the Lee was a mix between the two the fixed gun was for tank and the second turret for infantry it was a perfect mix between infantry support and anti tank in paper
@@masonpellazar6543The US didn’t have the technology to fit such a relatively large gun into a turret at the time, so they had to make due by putting it in the hull and using a smaller gun in the turret instead. Once they figured out how to fit it into a turret, they changed over to the Sherman instead. It was a stop-gap measure that they didn’t like, but rather they had to do if they wanted the bigger cannon.
Aldra: "Quick look at India...Uhhhh, let's just, let's not look at there anymore, let's just pretend that doesn't exist."
Me: "So business as usual then?"
Me when I'm Britain between 1700-1947
The M3 Lee/Grant was a little weird, since it had both a turret for the 37mm and a hull mounted 75mm main gun. I guess fixed superstructure is the best that can be expected in this case.
Indeed, as the main cannon is the 75mm gun
Yeah it does make sense in retrospect :)
Dont worry, war bonds will fill equipment issues...
I hope so...
You should do France next.
Coming soon!
France as a proactive player is extremely easy and strong but France as a French general of 1940 ? Holy shit.
You know what I want magic man. LUXEMBOURG HISTORICAL PLAYTHROUGH
Alternate title:
“The Allies over commit to the Europe first strategy”
3:47 because that's historical, the USA had a TON of contracts for WW1 destroyers left over to be finished after the war ended. Congress figured out it would be cheaper to continue building those destroyers than it would be to cancel the contracts. The Farragut and Clemson swarm was not just a meme.
That’s awesome, I had no idea! :) thanks for giving that historical context, I have no idea why but I find learning about these niche, esoteric details concerning procurement and armament logistics utterly fascinating.
@@Aldrahill There was actually an accident where they beached, IIRC, around a dozen DDs during an exercise in the interwar period. Instead of spending time and resources pulling them out of the shallows and fixing them up, the navy just replaced them with reserve DDs and called it a day.
We had SO MANY of them lmao
20:45 Po river. The po river flows through Milan, the rubicon was probably a po river tributary. It is also the heart of industrial Italy, and it’s breadbasket, and has been in serious drought for the last 2 years, which sadly won’t be ending because rainfall hasn’t been great but the real source is the alpine glaciers are just empty now. There’s already the first signs of entrenched deserification and increase salinity at the Delta. Tldr it’s really bad. But yes the river line you hold in Italy is the po. And the mountains that curl around south the river is the northern tip of the Apennine’s I think.
Great info! :)
You had all of modern day Germany under your control and Hitlers somewhere in a bunker like "This is fine" lol
Learned of a cheeky strat when adding SP units to tank divisions. If you severly buff the armor on self-propelled tanks/anti air/anti tank, and then add them to divisions of fairly cheap tanks, you can artificially up your templates hardness and armor rating. Essentially cause your 1 battalion of 50 tanks have the highest armor rateing, that tanslates to x amount of points towards a divisions hardness/ armor ratting. In essance your boosting your armor rating for a fraction of the ic and actual tank count of a standard battalion.
Doesn’t the hardnesses and armour value derive from the average of the whole division? Or does the maths work out that just makes a sack of armour with a gun on top the most op option :P
@Aldrahill it's a combination of the average pluss a percentage of the highest units armor value. So a single SP unit of 50 tanks with a ton of armor consistently raises armor value of the division by 25-30 points.
Chad level tank designs ONLY in this run lmao
You were essentially fighting “man in the high castle”/Wolfestein New Order Germany and Japan with how many buffs they had. With the power of democracy (and absolute planet load of guns and factories) you freed the world from tyranny.
reminds me of my kaiserreich USA runs. i usually play either PSA or democracy federalists. my games almost always go past 1946.
in my most recent game canada and new england attacked me as cactus jack USA where i promptly spent 2 years trying to finish off the entente, while having a naval war with japan. just as i finished beating the entente, the internationale which just finished beating up germany declared war on me around 1942.
now my game is in 1951. by then ive beaten japan and have kicked the internarionale out of southeast asia. meanwhile my troops are sitting in morocco only being able to hold on from the pure amount of nukes i have. brazil was taken by the internarionale, so they now have most of south america that i have to deal with now too.
i’m literally fighting half the world by myself, the US has been in a state of war for 14 years, constant bombing raids of europe have been happening for nearly 10 years by the USAF, and my computer is starting to smoke.
Imagine Poland.
Not even only alive poland, exiled would be real nice, hell, they even have parachutes and tanks!
Absolute pain xD just some infantry divisions and some plane wings in England :P
The poles did have a lot of variety in their units, though. Armored vehicles like tanks and trucks, cavalry, infantry, artillery, so on.
The Zuiho was sunk by the Colorado?! That's amazing, I can only imagine the circumstances where a battleship got that close to an enemy CV. Brilliant!
The medium tank SPAA preset being the m16 MGMC is quite funny, since thats just a halftrack with a quad machine gun mount.
Though it also uses the m18 gmc for the medium SPG so I suppose hoi just doesnt really have a good way to simulate some of the more... interesting parts of american doctrine
That's what I was thinking! It's just a bunch of machine guns xD
27:45 Ah, a fellow Pershing enjoyer I see. Definitely one of my favorite tanks, I was lucky enough to see one in person and they're just all around really awesome.
A fellow enjoyer! Always thought they were badass
Imagine doing this but also doing historical navy having to build every ship of the us ww2 classes
full buff Italy, mate, it doesnt help them anyway lmao
YUP I should have, they still ABSOLUTELY shit the bed xD
Wait till you see the Super Pershing that was made to kill King Tigers
I don't really play HOI4, but I enjoy watching the game. CZcamsrs like Teureor are way too fast and assumes that the viewer actively plays the game, so I appreciate you slowing it down a little bit and explaining things.
That’s kind of you to say! I like the idea that these videos can be entertaining, but also informative for how to play a game super historically, so I’m really glad you enjoy them :)
the fixed superstructure is like the B1 tank in france : the big mounted canon is the actual canon, the small turret on top is a addon !
Poland is going to be fun with this challenge.
The germany AI after taking soviet union is awful
There are glider planes in hoi4, you can use them by taking the paratrooper trait for your generals. It acts like Siege Artillery or Probing Attack
True, but it's just like an effect! Not like actionable, changable battalions :(
Little late, but the reason the US didn't have divisions for 1936-1940 was because the US didn't maintain a standing army outside of times of war, as the founding fathers worried a standing army would be used to abuse people's rights
Indeed, it's interesting, right? Especially considering the rampantly growing threat of facism around the world!
>T1 Heavy was never built
You, sir, just lied to us!
Only a few were built!
you also could have bild dock yards cus great depression dosent effeckt that
SHIT that's a good point!
Half buffing Italy? Come on 1000% buffing on everyone's favourite peninsula. Make that an actual challenge ultimate superpowered Italy vs the world. The AI stil probably wouldn't know what to do with it but I would like to see it happen.
Remember get that oil
Next you should do any country in Empire: Into the Orient (I want you to suffer during research on what to put in the units)
I've indeed had a suggestion for that mod before, definitely excited to try it! Gonna be HELL to try to figure that out xD
Maybe it would be a better experience in Black Ice Mode
Definitely planning on BI sometime soon! Terrified though xD
Thanks@@Aldrahill
Hell ya, ive been looking forward to this video for a while!!
Thank you , I’m so glad you enjoy them!
Poland could be interesting. Or France.
Both are coming eventually! :)
I love youre vids they help a lot i learn hoi4 from youre vids❤
Thank you so much! I'm so glad you enjoy them
if you research maintenance companies 2, you unlock easy maintenance part for tanks. It increases your reliability and slightly reduces production cost. For us, its also included by default on the presets if you have it unlocked when you chose the preset, so it makes the already decent presets even better.
Also you can "technically" have glider paratroopers, but its not a division design, its a general power if you have the paratrooper trait.
Love this series! I’d like to see Poland, Canada, India and China!
North Carolina Class BB had the "1940s tech" heavy guns because they were partially built when the expansion clause took effect and they modified the design to include the bigger guns since they could now have the increased displacement. The original designs called for the 14 inch guns
Ooooo cool factoid, thank you!
The M3 Lee had two turrets one in the hull and the other on top thats why its a fixed super structure
Ah yes. The best part of the video was why does the Lee have a fixed superstructure. The main gun was the 75mm in the hull and the secondary turret is the 37mm with or without a commander mg (with is the Lee without is the British grant with an enlarged turret and radio in the back
I've been waiting for this one! Great video as always.
Thanks so much! Here’s hoping you enjoy the next ones as well, gonna be doing some challenge runs in the future as well :)
It would be interesting to see you debuff the major nations in a faction so that you can play a minor nation and still be impactful.
Like making the US and UK worse so that you can play Canada. Or debuffing Italy and Germany so you can play Romania.
That could be pretty cool! Problem is, the AI is always so week, that being a minor still feels like the AI is debuffed :P could be a good romania game though!
This series is fun.
I think so too!
6:55 so the reason it has a fixed superstructure is because the main armament of the Lee is a fixed superstructure
US tank divisions actually had 3 mechanized infantry battalions (armored infantry battalions) that were the attached infantry support to tank divisions starting in 1943
It's not historicaly, you don't nuked Japan:((
I love your Videos Aldra. How about you do Sweden next. But also Historical swedish focuses
Thank you buddy! Sadly historical Sweden is a little bit dull, and not sure about their divisions as their military was limited, but could be interesting!
whenever you see uk invade rome just request rome off of them so you get the puppet the one with rome gets the puppet always
I've played the US far too much. 'murica!
If you are going democratic, you need to do EXACTLY two small lobbying efforts before the 1936 elections. You never need to click the medium lobbying effort at all.
Do the first focus, hire the PP guy, then do two small lobbying efforts. The preset events will get you to the tresshold you need to get rid of the big depression.
The support for the 1936 elections is pseudo-random, so the small lobbying efforts you need to do will vary.
Got it down to a science, nice!
I think most US divisions where motorized, and also the us had a lot of other strange units like, small mech groups also known as Cav. Also many infantry divisions hade either TD or Sherman battalions attached to them
Yes, I definitely made a mistake there, they should have been almost entirely motorised!
15:15 just being a historical US, getting BTF outta the Philippines! Thanks MacArthur 👍
To do a more accurate M4 76mm you should've also added wet stowage because that was another thing that changed in later shermans
I'll have you no that the Sherman is _not_ a good tank, but it's great! And I'm personally offended you said it's not great. Its versatility made it easily the best tank of WW2, not to mention its multiple recorded cases of one-shotting Tiger tanks, a tank that was _apparently_ the best tank of the time.
AGREED 10 billion of them ready to be delployed and be fixed with a pack of gum and a spanner!
The M3 Lee had two cannons one was a fixed cannon and the other was on its Coppola
7:04 It might be because the big gun is in the hull instead of the turret, idk.
That makes a lot of sense :P
The fact that you run out of steel or space to make factories lol
USA just TOO strong!
now try historical division poland @@Aldrahill
12:55 yet Willow run in michigan was able to produce one B24 quite literally, every hour
11:50 Wait, I've been constructing the standard US infantry division this whole time? I use that _exact_ template!
Isn't fun to be surprisingly historical :D
“Historically accurate” *uses marines on D-day*
This… is true :(
(🤓Umm actually🤓) The 75 and 76 cannon served at the same time in different branches, but I think HOI should have done the two variants in the game.
Very true! They were both in operation, but the 76 is the upgrade, so BIGGER IS COOLER
I love how you challenge yourself by not enabling automatic split off on your fleets :D
Yeahhh challenge myself… I totally don’t just forget that feature exists whatsoever…
@@AldrahillOf course not, it's completely for the entertainment of your watchers :)
I aim to please ;)
T H E A R S E N A L O F D E M O C R A C Y !
You should do France next
The p-39 is undoubtedly my favorite airplane 9:45
Weirdly same? Though I do love the ju 87 just because of its almost memey siren
YEAAAAAAA
its not even up for debate that the soviets won the european part and the usa won the asian part
The M3 Lee is one of my favorite tanks due simply to the reason it was designed.
After the fall of France, the US realized that their M2 medium fleet was woefully outdated, and instead went to a design that would eventually become the M4 sherman.
However, as it became blatantly apparent that war was inevitable for the US, they had to make a stopgap vehicle while the Sherman was undergoing trials.
Absolutely, I love that little detail, I should’ve mentioned it in the video :) love the specific historical contexts for tank designs, really enriches my appreciation for them, you know?
Britian was the MVP of the allies due to their blockade putting Germany on a timer before they run out of resources and their unwillingness to surrender kept the fight going:🗿
I wonder what were the casualties of this ww2... Irl USA lost less then half a million men i wonder how it went for them in this scenario
It was… not good. Like 2 mil :(
Casualties and deaths aren't the same, USA irl had well over a million casualties, but only 400k were deaths and that's across all branches, a ton of deaths were suffered by the navy and army air force
The Sherman, a Medium tank, could destroy a tiger, a heavy tank. A MEDIUM TANK WAS BETTER THAN A HEAVY TANK.
*after the gun upgrade that occurred in 1944 though.
Yeah it's certainly possible. The 75mm can penetrate with a side shot, and the 76mm can penetrate it frontally
22:48 Um isn't there a trait from a general that lets troops get gliders?
YES but it isn’t like a specific battalion in the division, it’s just like a combat bonus
12:05 correct me if im wrong, but shouldnt you use 12 inf batalions? The graf showed 2 inf brigades wich are 4 inf regiments and those regiments are 12 inf batalions
The battalion sizes were smaller than are used in base game, if that makes sense? I was also trying to replicate accurate manpower totals, so had to do a little finneagoing
@@Aldrahill ohh i get it so you are looking more on the manpower?
A sort of combinatino of the two, if that makes sense? A mix between battalion size accurate, and manpower accurate.
I watched your videos and tried it out for myself. It was pretty fun but i was ( in this situation ) using 12 batalions. The divisions were expensive as hell
"I need more PP" Aldrahill 2024
Always true ;)
Want an challange? Something harder than Italy? Go china go china i beg you its gonna be the Hardest thing
YES I'm definitely doing it at some point! :)
The M3 Lee has a fixed superstructure because the M3 Lee's main gun wasn't in a turret. The turret was a secondary 20mm gun.
Very true! Thanks for that, always goood to get corrected and educated in the comments :)
If you start building military factories right away and do giant awakes early you should be able to naval invade Germany just after France capitulates.
At least you where not suffering for once
"Russians won WW2"
Every other soviet nationality : are we joke to you ?
Yeah probably should use “Soviet” when referring to the ussr!
The Marines didn’t land at D-Day in fact all 6 divisions were in the pacific iirc.
Indeed, completely right! Always thought that was weird
Can you actually buy Paratrooper Doctrine and Marine Doctrine at the same time?
Of course! Just costs xp sand you need to unlock the ability to have two of them unlocked
@@Aldrahill lol i always thought you had to pick one... thx and i love this format. never seen something like this before
Next one : France !
It’s coming soon!
The US lend lease only accounted to 4% of the USSR's war hardware.
Now lets do poland with historical divisions HAHAHA
Oh yeha, it's in the plan!
New challenge max all nations out in your next one
OH GOD and who do I play?
@@Aldrahill play it non historical and alone
@@Aldrahill and I'm sorry my English is not good
My greatgrandpas crushed German blitzkrieg at the gates of Moscow and didn't see any lend-lease before 1942. Lend-lease numbers might seem huge, as an example, 10k allied planes might be a lot for Western Front, but take into consideration that the USSR produced 100k during the war
and the half track? and trucks?
That's cool buddy! I have no one in my family history that fought, which somehow feels a shame!
The thing is though, a lot of the lend lease was non-military equipment, including grain, cans of meat (Tuchanka was almost replaced in some parts of USSR with things like SPAM :P ) and other perishables. It was a STUPIDLY large amount.
Doesn't discount Soviet work though!
Historically the US sent a single M1 Garand to the Soviet Union. They said it was too heavy.
Not the pasta point XD
Yooooo is that a Campaign for North Africa reference?!?!
My MAN! ❤❤❤
Okay. So on the divisions and national guard.
The US has 3 main armies (we will fuck you up Russia. Stay away from Alaska)
The US army (divisions 1-24)
The National guard which replaced the state Militias after the Spanish war? (Divisions 25-76)
And the Army of the United States, the wartime army that exists to expand the army rapidly and allow to to shrink again during peace time without causing total and complete chaos (divisions 77-onwards)
Part of the national guard system was the old state militias would buy their own equipment and organize themselves based on local practices and skills. So like some states literally just had nothing but light infantry and skirmishers since they hand hunting cultures and everyone owned a rifled gun to bring when called to serve. The national guard was basically everything being standardized on the federal system, same uniforms, same weapons, same organization.
So the pre 1941 infantry being the national guard, is more accurate to say is just the interwar army division for the entire US army system.
After a bit more research, you are completely and totally right!
@@Aldrahill yay recognition for my knowledge!
Always appreciate these kinds of knowledgeable, carefully considered comments - really helpful for the kinds of videos I like to make and wonderful to see this kind of discussion and thoughts being Expressed as a comment on my videos :) thanks bud!
Classic Spain
The fact that this guy's does MASSIVE research on the countries' divisions, but is absolutely oblivious about the vehicles specifics and how they looked/worked and what where their equipment is absolutely hilarious to me.
Btw, thw supply thing? That changed with the Soviet Union's DLC, so uh... Yeah, read the dev blogs lmao
I thought I was pretty well up on the vehicle specifics :( I just forgot about the Lee's fixed super structure tbh
@@Aldrahill it's okay bro I found it hilarious lmao hahaha, also check the supply thingies, the encircled capital city exploit doesn't work if you have the Soviet DLC
Ahhh that makes sense, thanks for answering that :)
@@Aldrahill dw mate, remember that now supply hubs exist, they provide supply for the troops alongside ports, railways are now essential for supply distribution, make sure to take a look at that in future playthroughs, infrastructure is also important but unless you have like a 0 or 1 infrastructure province it won't really help as much as having a proper railway system well connected to a set of ports or supply hubs. Also, airdropping supplies can help if you have enough air coverage and your airport is inside a well supplied zone. Make sure to use the supply filter for the map, the bluer, the better supply, the redder, worst supply.
Poland would be interesting. (spoiler:Lots of cavalry boys)
Every historian today, western historian even in Germany, says, Germany was doomed 1939 when they started.
Oh definitely - literally no way to win unless UK surrendered and they never attacked ussr. Even winning against France was a fluke
HISTORICALLY TANJ TUVA
OH GOD
@@Aldrahill we need it
So why didn't the supply exploit work its because the Germans were getting there supply from Slovakia Hungary Romania vichy France etc
That makes a lot of sense! Damn…
Honestly should have max buffed Italy. Because Italy.
Lol.
Every game, without fail :(