China, but I use only Historical Presets & Divisions In HOI4?
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- čas přidán 29. 02. 2024
- What if you were FORCED into being historical in Hearts of Iron 4? What if you had to survive as CHINA using only the completely historical and realistic divisions, organizations, and presets? Is it possible?
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I've been on a HOI4 binge of using only the historical presets given by Paradox, alongside accurate, historical division organization. This time, it's time for some true suffering as the Chinese National Front, or Kuomatang. China STRUGGLES in this conflict, and so will I :P
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The addition of Historical presets into Hearts of Iron IV was an awesome thing for massive history nerds like myself. Now, I play REALLY historically, using only the stupid tanks and planes that happened in real life! I'm aiming to do this with EVERY country in the game (or at least every major) so let me know a good suggestion down in the comments for more countries to play!
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China, but I use only Historical Presets & Divisions In HOI4?
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WW1 Britain, but only Historical Presets & Divisions In HOI4?
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I got challenge to play modern day usa
The copyright free music is perpetually playing in the back of my head. You've turned me into an NPC. :(
Oh my gosh dude, that sponsorship is actually so cool! I played that game on mobile a while back but have since forgotten the name, so you being sponsored by them is incredibly useful.
@@commandercorl1544 awesome! Now to share that with the developer and make them happy :D
@@BoliceOccifer dude same! I started humming it while cooking randomly xD
Hell yeah brother. I can't wait for the: "ISIS, but I use only Historical Presets & Divisions in HOI4?".
Instant demonetization :D
what do you think it'd look like in HOI ?
@@The_krazy_kriegsmanunits of ten manpower with one infantry equipment.
And "Defense bonus in core teritory: +50%"@@alexcovey1200
motorized Toyota Hilux@@The_krazy_kriegsman
I can’t believe you’re turning 32,000 years old! No wonder you know so much about historical accuracy, you were there
With age comes wisdom! And the untold countless memories of human atrocities through the ages.
Also a big beard!
@@Aldrahill How is Bro Older then Earth!!??
@@Hamstorian please tell me this was meant to be a joke😰
@@Hamstorian so true!!
@@LastGoatKnight i'm a young-earth creationist, so scary... 😰
the garrison order is ridiculous because when any enemies take tiles they're told to garrison they automatically abandon their garrisons to try and push out the enemy divisions. it's a stupid order.
It's fine, only if you have ~double the amount actually necessary. Otherwise I reccomend removing the garrison of the state and bring in real troops.
Do a single tile fall back line for ports, and then the rest on garrison, this way the other ports are still guarded and the rest can go automatically try to push out the naval invasion
@@Rownoscc yeah that’s what I usually end up doing because it’s so much more effective
It works well for naval invasions, but just that
It's good when you have tons and tons of garrison divisions. If you only have like 2 per port then it doesn't necessarily work.
Luxembourg but you only use historical presets and divisions when?
I hate that Armored Cars are DLC locked, as that mean they will never be properly integrated into the game as they where historically.
yeah, it's such a shame, same for a lot of stuff (like how unresponsive and segregated the spy stuff is)
armoured cars specifically are painful since in game their only real use is as occupation divisions equipment while IRL they were a big part of divisions
tho also part of that play is how HOI IV builds divisions, which is not congruent with the reality of WWII, even while playing by the "building blocks" rules
@@quentintin1actually, armored cars aren’t even good for garrisoning. Making the cheapest tanks possible, which are cheaper than armored cars by a good amount, provide more suppression than armored cars.
@@gfortunate8650 yeah that's true, since NSB ACs really got no reasons to exist
25:20 so deep battle is the historical Soviet strategy as it was created by them, it’s actually pretty competent
Good point!
Gives a whole new meaning to "man-power"
Average NRA gaming experience:
Artillery support is simply placebo.
Black Ice mod? Are you INSANE?!
I´ve played bice two years ago, mainly with Germany until the end of 1941 and had quite a blast playing it. It takes quite a commitment and interest in WW2 and historical authenticity/immersion to enjoy it - also the reason why I enjoy these videos. In comparison the Vanilla version feels like a game for children who just want fun fast and simple
I’m both super excited to do it, and terrified xD
Glad you enjoy them! They take so much work xD it’s almost a full time job of researching, recording, narrating and editing, but the response has been so amazing!
@@Aldrahill I believe it and hope you’ll reach this goal, one cuz you deserve it and two cuz I want to see you sliding over black ice. If I remember correctly you get the historical division templates as Germany thru events depicting the recruitment waves but you still have to do all the other work, plus managing the game beyond historical presets.. 😀
So actually the Chinese Nationalist Army used the hanyang 88 all the way until the end of the civil war as well.
The best method to keep the north safe is to not let Beijing fall, since it has an airport and preventing the Japanese from getting the supply depot in Shanxi, since the northern area is desert and mountain and terrible for supplies, so you can just keep minimum of troops there.
Too true! Beijing is key
Now you will know TRUE PAIN - sr pelo
"China didn't mass mobilize, they just had a lot of men in the army." - Aldrahill
- visible confusion
Compare Britain consripting only aged 18-25, versus China doing the same - China will literally have several times as many people with the same conscription laws, simply because they got shit tons of people! Mass mobilization is more like recuiting EVERYONE NOW LETS GO GET IN THE ARMY
@@Aldrahill The point is its not really the thing Soviets did either, they just also had a ton of people. The left side is "deep battle", a real soviet strategic doctrine, so the right side is made for countries like commie china, so they can actually put out divisions without expanding a lot
I love this series, but I feel like justice would only be done to a challenge like this with some type of immersion mod. No need to head to Black Ice immediately, but maybe something like the "8 years war of resistance" or total war could make this more fun, even for you which seems to be sorely needed judging by the amount of suffering you endured here.
That, or it would make you suffer in a different way, but hey at least that would introduce a new variety to the whole ordeal.
Definitely a good suggestion! I haven’t tried that mod yet, I’ll check it out :)
@@Aldrahill I second 8 years of resistance, it is a great mod.
@@AldrahillI've been playing total war mod for a while and its a good mod for creating weird division templates.
I have no idea how the air works though.
Yo historical reference for the tanks is basically like naming the tanks the Chinese able to get hands on. Type 35 is basically Pz2 or T-26 and Type 36 is M3stuart. The Chinese did have a Sherman but most of them were returned to Usa during the civilwar and later brought back after KMT defeat
22:23 it's the other way around, deep battle was the soviet doctrine irl.
I still want to see historical Finland.
I'm also willing to help in the research to the best of my abilities if needed.
Plz do send any relevant historical info to the historical divisions channel in the discord!
I imagine the reason only select units got AT and AA initially was because there simply wasn't enough to give every unit a useful number of either, so full AT and AA units go first to what I would assume was the most important divisions or needed them the most.
I WAITED SO MUCH FOR THIS VIDEOOO
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The only major power left to do in this series is France. I'm still waiting !
I’m terrified, because I’ll just capitulate and die xD
Put everyone in Belgium, gets encircled because tanks can in fact drive in forests😂
@@AldrahillEh, just extend the Maginot line, level 10 forts along all the nation borders
(That's kinda overkill, level 5 is really all you need, but it's the principal of the matter)
Also, air defence, anti air guns, radar, and you become invincible
(There's the southern supply hub, but eh, a few issues like that, and Switzerland and Spain can be solved relatively easily)
@@Aldrahill Don't be afraid, I'm sure you'll find a way to hold
@@glauberglousger956 kinda not in the spirit of the challenge though is it? The point of the series isn't to play meta, it's to play with historical limitations unless they make it literally impossible. Personally I'd rather see France go down fighting with a vaguely historical direction than watch yet another video of someone using the common strats to stop the Germans. Especially since there were very legitimate reasons the Maginot line wasn't extended (it would have caused serious tension with Belgium and also would have been extremely expensive and time consuming at a point where France was economically and politically unstable).
love this series, thanks making good hoi content! gave me good entertainment for my last 15 mins of work
Thank you so much! Trying really hard to
Make interesting videos for you guys, so your comment is really appreciated
Yugoslavia, But i use only Historical presents & Divisions in hoi 4
I have something more twisted and evil
Greece but i use historical presets and divisions in hoi4
I admire that you have a good microphone, because a lot of "smaller" channels on CZcams don't, and it can be off putting, so thank you for a pleasurable watching experience
Hah! My mic's honestly not great, it's just a Blue Yeti! I just do a bit of audio editing to improve it a bit :) But thank you, glad you like it!
great video, i wonder what you will do next
Congrats on the sponsorship my friend! Great video as well.
Thanks! I try to make them funny so they’re not just filler ads, plus the game was fun! Trying to be ethical and only do sponsorships for things I support and like!
Only just discovered your channel and I'm hooked.
Ayyy thank you!
25:20 Deep Battle is actually Soviet doctrine, conceived by Mikhail Tukhachevsky in late 1920s / early 1930s
Keeping a small production of lower grade rifles is big brain as it gives you a reliable source to lend lease and fill in production gaps when switching main gun production
Hey, you get some wisdom over 32,000 years of life
@@Aldrahill Not to mention (works best in MP but can in solo) creating cheaper variants of equipment like tanks and planes for License Leasing is BUSTED when you realize you don't need to ever use them just sell them. Being the lend-leaser is very fun as you get to associate yourself more with the designer and create those wacky and niche tanks i.e flamethrowers and SP Artillery to give your friends. (Actually very fun game to play MP as a nation with big industry)
I love your vids man, I really hope you get to 32k before April 1st. ❤❤❤
Thank you so much! At this rate, it seems I definitely will!
Cursed thought, play the Great War Redux China but stay with Yuan Shikai as Emperor and keep his "empire" going with New Model Army Divisions
Ooooo that is cursed !
@@Aldrahill the whole reign of Yuan Shikai is absolutely insane and the New Model Army's weird templates are an absolute trip to read about.
Every month half the army defects😂😂😂
damn this guy deserves soo many more subs
How do I put your comment framed on my wall?
25:20 deep battle was the soviet doctrine. It was invented by Tukhachevsky & neglected after his execution and put back into use after Barbarossa. And it's actually pretty good especially when it comes to supply consumption and combat width bonuses
Really nice pieces dude ❤
Thank you :)
Oh man I saw china and I felt the struggle deep inside my heart
the "picked" divisions getting specific equipment isn't out of order for the simple fact that when a new equipment is added to the army, countries generally don't have enough to equip the whole army at once, (for example, the french army never had enough AT guns to outfit all units that were supposed to get them, so a lot of reservist and mountain regiments were still rocking the venerable 37 TR 16 infantry gun in their "anti tank" companies) so you have to select which units get what equipment, tho of course it is generally done the way of creating a "new" ToE and equipping units as equipment comes online, but since china wasn't building much of that equipment at home, any numbers were limited
Who needs medic bags when you have INFINITE MANPOWER
For someone who only play HOI4 in an historically accurate manner, this video comforts me more than you can imagine, thanks for your time and effort!🥰🥰🥰
Thanks so much! Lots more coming
Can’t believe Aldrahill came from from 30,000 BCE to make these videos for us
It took me the first 29,000 years to think of the idea, and then another 999 years to learn to edit (badly)
I just about finished my Communist China run successfully until this video popped up! Hopefully we will see Qing and National China acheivement guides, lol
Oh god Qing in ww1 xD
If you're having trouble with supply remember to motorize your supply hubs and your army distribution logistics. It does use a lot of trucks and lose a lot of trucks if you've got bad air cover sometimes it's not worth it but most of the time the truck losses are worth it.
Happy to say I became an Aldrahill fan just months before he went A-list 😌
Ayyy you were among the first ;) no idea where this sudden explosion in views is coming from, but you won’t catch me complaining!
I know this might be the strangest compliment you've gotten on the internet, but I really like the sound of your voice. Like it's really calming compared to a lot of other hoi4 CZcamsrs
Aldra - knows historical templates for China. Also Aldra - does not know where the Yellow river is.
I'm a multi faceted individual. I am both incredibly smart... and very stupid.
I hope u hit 50k subs by end of next month
Me too!!!
April is right over there and you need only 100 more, congratulations
Thank you! Looks like I’m going to hit it, now to prepare BICe :D
YO congrats on 32K
Thank you so much! BICE is coming April 5th :)
WE ARE MAKING IT OUT OF NANKING WITH THIS ONE
The area defence works only until something lands somewhere -- then all the divisions move to counter-attack, leaving ports open. So you pretty much have to micromanage port garrisons. Remember that Paradox loves you.
I didn't think you'd actually do it
Hey Aldrahill I want to say thank you for the Videos you make, they are very entertaining and sometimes funny. But I also got you a little challenge for you, can you win WW2 as the Soviet Union by only using heavy bombers, artillery and heavy SP( in a 20 battalion division)?
And sorry if my English is bad.
Holy shit, thank you so much ! Really glad you like them! I work really hard on them, so your kindness is massively appreciated! That’s a cool challenge, I’ll take a look and see what I think ;)
There are reasons why I normally use 3 tile fallback lines on harbours (and tiles next to them) instead of garrison orders, putting 3-4 divs on each... Cuts down on garrison AI doing stupid moves
Railways are only for connecting supply hubs and ports, which can also be connected by rivers. The railways don’t provide any supply at all on their own.
This gives me flashbacks to my disastrous 1st China game. I had all the same problems you had, from the Chinese United Front not forming properly to my divisions leaving my port to fight random naval invasions.
Only my situation was way, way worst. My entire army nearly got encircled in Jinan and in my genius, I decided to blow the Yellow River dams. Which means I can't strat redeploy my divisions out of the pocket.
That sealed the fate of my entire army.
Oh god it’s just history with more pain!
I know im late but that opening meme did put a smile on my face XD
Ayyy then I did my job! And there’s no late, that’s the joy of CZcams! You can watch them when you want! Paradoxically it helps the video more to watch and engage with it earlier, but my videos will always be here for you whenever you like :D
I would love to see a historical division mp game. Fingers crossed you get something like that organized
Ohhh that’s a cool idea! Basically impossible to enforce though!
@@Aldrahill could easily get a mod to lock division templates?
Bro you should play the eight years war of resistance mod. Its so much harder and more complicated. It's worth giving a try.
Edit:Looks like someone mentioned it first. But still we both think you should play eyewor
I think Millennium Dawn with historical presets and divisions would make a fun video
Do not use garrison order. Use fall back line. Make manually a one tile fall back line order for 2 or how many you need divisions per port. That's times more efficient than doing garrison.
I've never had the weird getting kidnapped stuff, I just do other focuses and usually mao will ask for talks not the sinkiang guy
17:38 my man getting cancelled
Aw shit, I’m done :(
25:20 Deep battle is what Zhukov was cookin i believe
Isn‘t that also what the russians are doing nowadays?
I think Chiang would have actually chosen to give concessions to Japan early on in order to finish off the Communists first, though not sure if this would've been done at the Marco Polo Bridge. But he was always in favor of dealing with the Communists first.
i can't wait for one day that Aldra does a meme vid like Germany in KaiserRedux but like, armored car only
I did do armoured cars as Sweden before! But I try to do every other week’s video a more memey, challenge focused run rather than pure history
@@Aldrahill fair, just throwing out an idea that not many people have done
Hey! Happy 32,000th Birthday!
Another great video! The Type 34 tank is the pre-tank designer name for the made up Chinese tanks. It isn't historical. Its just a generic suggested template.
Weird!
You should've played this with the 8 years war of resistance mod for the added realism
True! I’ll need to redo this with that mod at some point :)
Poland is going to be interesting when it comes to the exile divisions and the Warsaw uprising.
Yeah that’s gonna be funky xD
Alongside the Panzer 1's arned with nachineguns in a 1 man turret
You should have designed a tank based off thr Vickers Armstrong
Better known as the Vickers 6 ton
1 man turret, light howitzer
It can also have an extra gun added to it in tbe form of the Heavy machine gun
And
The Soviets gave there own variant of it, The T-26, to the Chinese
A 6-Ton with some minor improvements
But most importantly
A 2 man turret AND A GOOD ENOUGH GUN, the 45mm Anti tank gun
yeah china focus tree is funny, you actually have to not do united front focus tree to get the untied front
It pains me deeply
doing research on china is so much harder but very rewarding if you're interested
To add to the confusion at 17:15, the Chinese armored force was a mess of different models in 1938. They had T-26s, BT-5s, CV-35 Tankettes, BA Armoured Cars, Leichter Panzerspahwagens, and it stayed that way until Pearl Harbor when they got 600 T16 CTMS Light Tanks from the US, and then some Stuarts and Shermans in 1943.
Edit: Also, according to Tank Encyclopedia, the Chinese also used some Vickers Type E Light Tanks early in the war. They also had some Panzer Is in their arsenal, alongside: Renault FTs, V-C-L Light Amphibious Tanks, Renault ZBs and UEs, and some captured Japanese tanks. They never got T-34s until the 50s, when the Soviets supplied the PLA with T-34-85s
Edit 2: You did end up mentioning a lot of the stuff I mentioned initially
Yup! And I couldn’t source those exact vehicles :(
Take the pp focus first so you can isntahire Lizon Gren, fastest way for army reforms
HE DID IT
In real life Japan occupied Tianjin and Beijing almost immediately after the Marco Polo Bridge Incident.
your mic doesn't sound like you are in another room and you edit decently, good HOI4 youtuber inbound?
Oh shit that’s a high compliment! I just use a regular blue yeti
@@Aldrahill I've been giving people a shot recently and mic quality is a common factor, also some of them are just boring. You keep it interesting man
@@tylermitchell185 thank you so much!
On the topic of China in HOI4, personal recommendation: Eight Years' War of Resistance mod
YES really need to try that :)
Deep Battle is meant to be the Soviet doctrine since that was the actual name of Soviet doctrine, it's just that the Soviet Union developed Deep Battle in the 30s.
What do I know about China in the second world war? A fucking lot. Studied it so much it inspired me to learn Mandarin and Cantonese so I could read primary source documents from the second world war.
Ah yes, I remember playing China for the first time and looking at the focus tree, thinking: "Oh, here I can form the Chinese united front. Surely this is how to follow the historical events that the AI always goes though, right?"
This has got to be the one of the most poorly thought out parts of a focus tree in the entire game ever, right up there with fascist Britain's "Move to secure the Dominions" focus.
Deep battle was actually the soviet military strategy in ww2
17:38 "and I can finally hit women in the work force"
I gotta be careful, ima get cancelled if I say stuff like that xD
For garrisons, just set it up manually. They always abandon stuff to go to the invasion.
Yup, definitely should've done that!
Let the pain begin, I love playing China in Hoi4
The flood you mentioned was done to slow down the Japanese push through the Great Plains of central China. It definitely was devastating for the people there, the official number of dead caused by the flood directly and indirectly from the KMT was 380k, but some scholars said it can be upwards of 800k. But remember, this is war, it is meant to be brutal. People can only choose what they think is better at that time, and only time will tell if what they chose is correct.
But anyways, if the flooding was not done, Japanese have some highly mobile motorized divisions that can quickly advance deep into central China, dealing great damage behind the Chinese lines, and can mean bad news for the "new" capital of Chongqing. If Chongqing fell, there would not be many more cities to fall back to. Which would have meant the capitulation of China. There were reasons to believe Japanese would do atrocities to citizens of China in retaliation once China capitulates. They have shown that in Nanjing, Shanghai and pretty much every city and town where Chinese actually put up good fights, killing off entire city worth of population, wiping towns off the map after beating the defenders. So I guess for the KMT back then, it's better to do the flooding.
Also if China capitulates, with China and its resources, the pacific front would be a lot more complicated and hideous for the allies.
Manchukuo Historical Presets. I may or may not want for you to suffer. Anyways if you do Manchukuo good luck. Bonus: Restore the Qing.
The defend/garrison orders are useless. I just use them to get divisions I don't want to micro but also don't need on the front lines out of the way. If I'm defending ports or the coastline I always use fallback orders. Still not perfect but better, since you can be more precise with them. Annoyingly any divisions you add to the army will just get tossed onto a random order but nothing paradox gave us actually does what we want for coastal defense so you gotta make do.
I think the reason they're abandoning the ports, by the way, is because when an enemy invades they try to automatically retake the port since it's no longer being defended (on account of being captured) and it completely shuffles all the divisions around. Just terrible.
Garrison Orders are terrible. I always use fall back lines on ports
cant wait for communist china, but i only use historical presets and divisions in hoi4
Now do Albania but with only Historical Presets and Divisions.
0:47 aldrahill 32000 years old confirmed?
I am so ancient :( HOI keeps me going
13:20 That's just a knife and it doesn't look like any kind of Chinese designs
Imagine having birthday on april 1 that means that life is one bif joke.
Jk dude love the stuff you are doing. Keep going the stuff you are doing and best wishes.
The key is to laugh back at the world, so it’s the joke ;) and thank you!
Oh good...
17:38 if only we could
25:20 No Aldra, Mass Mobilization isn't for the Soviets, its for Maos' China, the Soviets had used and developed Deep Battle doctrine, which is basically a Soviet combined arms strategy, with similiar vein to German "Bewegungskrieg" or the well known name of "Blitzkrieg", or simply, mobile warfare.
The Chiang Chinese doctrine would probably be Infiltration (Grand Battle Plan) as they did the exact same thing the Japanese did (hence why they later lost to Commie China)
Game doesn’t really portray mass mobilization. It should be that random tiles the enemy occupies can suddenly become unoccupied. It’s what Mao did irl, the Japanese could only control what they directly garrisoned.
It was also quite funny that Mao would kidnap collaborator commanders and their families into a cave for “reeducation” then when they come out they become loyal patriotic communists.
There was this one story that when a CCP inspector came to a village to inspect the guerrillas he was told to enter through the front gate where the entire collaborator garrison stood in line to welcome him.😂😂😂
In general mods would probably be better since they overhaul doctrines as well
"I can finally hit women in the workforce" is a wild statement outside of context.
now do it again but in the Eight Years War of Resistance mod
Definitely planning to do this as a reboot in the future :)
I don't know much about Chinese-Japanese wars but I know what tanks were there, tested them in an accurately realistic game and let me tell you, Japanese tanks back then were way better, China had some good tanks but the I-Go, Ke-Ni and later Chi-Ha, etc tanks just mopped the floor with them. And their airforce was child's play against the Zeros and I'm not kidding