Wow. This video is brilliant, so informative. I was looking for months about 5120x2160 monitors and new 4k 240hz oleds, now it’s much clear what is and will be available on the market after your generation and samsung/lg breakdown. Nobody explains it better. Thanks a lot, liked and subscribed.
Thanks for the informative video. You should ask LG why they don't take more seriously what most people are asking: a well executed GLOSSY coating. I mean one that's better than Samsung option with raised blacks. LG will lose LOT of OLEDs aficionados this year just due their reluctance to offer a glossy option. The Dual-Hz Oled + Glossy would have been the KILLER monitor for 2024, what a pity...
The recent emphasis on colour volume hasn't done them any favours. Samsung's TVs have matched LG's luminance increases up to 3000nit peak, if they'd brought any of that to monitors I think it would be a trouncing.
Making noise about it gets attention too. Corporations are very aware of the mood of the market and what consumers think online. I buy LG TVs (ironically the best glossy coating on any mass market display), but I cannot ever consider an LG OLED monitor, maybe it sounds like hyperbole but I think their matte coating is so bad it makes the screen unusable to me, I wouldn't dream of spending money on one for that reason alone. Awful.
Exactly this. I've been wondering whether LG or ASUS could still switch to a glossy finish instead of matte on their dual-hz models. Usually, those who seek OLED displays typically prioritize the visual experience, so their decision to apply a matte coating seems incredibly confusing and counterintuitive to me. Also, OLED screens still struggle with brightness levels in well-lit environments, making the matte coating pretty much useless.
@@hungz1241_axa your not right. RGB in all cases better than wrgb. Regular 27inch Monitor better for overall work and competitive games. TV only if you watch movies in competitive games you are going to be killed easily
1080p 480 htz OLED monitor at 24 inches seems like a no brainer for the high end competitive market, but maybe that market is not big enough to warrant the investment for OLED panel makers.
27" 1440p 480hz is better even for competitive. It is too difficult to see targets at long ranges without 1440p and the monitor size doesn't matter as long as you move the monitor far enough away that it is functionally a 24" monitor in your field of view.
That's the same as the asus QD oled, expensive, but expected for the technology and the fact that it has more features than other manufacturers @@techieg33k
@@Alinho295Search oled gaming subr. for a 13 days old post by the name LG 32 4K 240hz shows up on ****** US $1299 and exchange the stars with the south american rainforest.
Awesome update. Keep it regular on Quarter basis, please. Also add the separate thread for IPS with dimming zones, dynamic refresh rates, etc. Also speedup somehow the standard RGB oled panels development in LG or Samsung to get ideal 27 4K 240/360hz (over dp2.1 or hdmi 48Gb) monitor without ABL, Shimming or other strange OLED surprises for the normal productivity work. Consider the IPS panel devs with full pixel-to-pixel backlight or double OLED layers as the next step to the ideal monitor. Talk with LG and Samsung and make some posts that you are frustrated that they don't use this opportunities. Also remind them that Color Gamut not updated too long and BT.2020 100% volume coverage still waiting for them.
Last week I picked up a MSI MEG 342C, really happy with the monitor, and your simple tweaks made the monitor even better :) I have allways been holding back when it comes to screen size, so for me 27" have been the sweet spot, but after upgrading to 34" and been using that for my simrig, I also wanted 34" for daily driver also. And the biggest pluss was that my retail store had a great offer on them so I paid 1050$. In my country the MEG 342C goes for 1500$. I have for a long time pushed MSI for answers about msi meg 271q mini led they launched at CES 2022. No info on when that monitor will hit the market.
Currently the LG OLED panels seems more tempting for me, mostly because of the sub-pixel structure. It would be nice if the Samsung QD-OLED panels could further refine the sub-pixel structure as well in upcoming generations, making them a bit more "traditional" (getting rid of that triangle shape for text clarity). Pure RGB OLED panels from LG looks promising as well, but I still hope for major improvements when it comes to brightness on OLED panels, as well as a 3 year burn-in warranty maybe becomes a minimum for OLED panels in general. Currently I look at the OLED technology of more a transitional technology before MicroLED and/or QDEL appears at consumer prices & sizes. MicroLED and QDEL could be the OLED & LCD killers, as long as the current OLED & LCD technologies doesn't gets major improvements that can make them compete with those upcoming technologies. For OLED, the brightness has to get way higher, as well as the lifetime for the organic materials in the sub-pixels improves in a such way that that getting any kind of burn-in, even with office/desktop/static content use, would seem practical impossible. For LCD, I suppose you would have to give each pixel its own backlight (if that happens, doesn't that mean that the MicroLED technologi is ready?).
Yeah I bought the MSI 360Hz 1440P panel and love it, but will probably return it before the window is up and get the LG 27" just for the RGWB layout. Text IS acceptable on the QD panels, but there is barely visible doublevision effect from fringing. I use it all day everyday for work (text) and half the night for gaming. Works fine and it's a tough call. Colors will be more washed out on the LG panels due to the white pixel. Most of those will have LG's matte coating too which can't be anything but a downgrade. It's a tough choice.. smart thing to do is wait for reviews on both, but it was hard to get ahold of this panel and anyone who goes QD is not 'making a mistake''.
I really want to see the size difference between the 39" UW and the 38" UW. I have the 38 and I know its more like a 21:10 ratio and if the 39" is a more traditional 21:9 I think it will actually be shorter vertically. Thats why I am aiming for a 45" UW because I want a bigger picture size in that respect. Also, since LG is doing the whole dual resolution thing, if the make the 45" UW dual resolution (2560x1440 @ 480hz) it will be the perfect monitor for me, I really hope they do!
I'm currently using the 360hz Qd-oled and love it, But I did return my first unit due to it being much dimmer than I expected. I gave it another shot and can say it's "bright enough" but does leave me wanting and HDR doesn't really help that. If they can update it to reach a little over 300 nits or just let it peak higher with some abl, I would be happy. It's almost endgame, just needs a little boost in the brightness to appreciate its other quality's.
Are the various 27" Mini-LED models announced in 2022 (which I think were using the LG Display M270WR8-SSE1 panel) ever going to materialise, or were they all just vapourware?
LG's 42" TVs can run at 1600p ultrawide, which comes to 40" of screen. On top of that you also have the option to run it at the whole 2160p for maximum real estate, thus having best of both worlds.
45" or 39" with 5120x2160, 240hz , oled, where is the preorder button ?!?! i'd buy one right now even if it is 2000€. btw thanks for the videos, can't find any other channel to give simply and clear information about upcoming monitors.
I'm very interested in that True RGB OLED from LG. I heard rumors that might make its way to their TVs in the next year or two if they switch to phosphorus for the blue subpixel. Pretty exciting that'll make its way to the monitors as well, I wonder how it will compare to QD-OLED.
After trying the Alienware and sending it back due to firmware issues, missing features like audio out, and not really being a fan of the curve, I can't really say that I'm too eager to get another 32" 4k 240hz variant. Turns out I REALLY like the 42" size of my C2 at 4 feet distance its perfect and great for PC, consoles, and movies. I'd instantly move to a 4k 240hz 42" variant especially at 1300 nits. RGB subpixel structure OLED would be great but if they release a 42 240hz panel with the RGWB pixel layout I would upgrade for sure.
@@denvernaicker8250because 32 inches is objectively the better and more immerse experience, whether you are a casual gamer, esport gamer, watch videos or use it for color correction. In my opinion the sweet spot will be around 35 inches but 32 is a huge improvement over 27.
great video. The best Buy sell of the LG UltraGear 45" OLED Curved WQHD 240Hz 0.03ms FreeSync and NVIDIA G-SYNC Compatible Gaming Monitor with HDR400 - Black for $1,199.00 ($500 Off) brought me here. I think I am going to wait for a better resolution flat screen with at least 1300 nits. I didn't like that the LG monitor listed above left text grainy.
Samsung Display no longer make any LCD panels. They stopped that a couple of years back. Samsung Electronics still make some lcd monitors though using other manufacturers panels nowadays
Great as always. Thx a lot for this competent and friendly video. I'm focusing on Alienware AW3225QF on Black Friday. But Maybe I'll wait for LG's true RGB devices. But 2 years... Anyway, enjoying my Inzone M9 and LG 65" C1. The only concern is Burn In, as I use the monitor for office work too.
Very useful information. I am thinking about upgrading my monitor. However, it looks like the best option is to wait for the next generation of OLEDs because I don't want to be stuck with an inferior panel. It always seems like the next best thing is just around the corner. On a related topic, I am afraid that monitor producers will try to sell outdated panels by rebranding them. Also, maybe prices are not going down because manufacturors don't want to mass produce panels which will become outdated very soon...
LG with an updated pixel structure will really help it as an alternative to QD-OLED. It will be an actual choice between better text clarity or better color.
Looks like LG is making some really big (and necessary) upgrades this year. Both Samsung and LG are increasing pixel density and refresh rates, but that's where the improvements stop for Samsung. LG is improving brightness by 30%, subpixel layout, and screen coating on top of that. Still worried about their color saturation though.
my concern too, color saturation. That's a big deal. I bought the MSI 360Hz 27" QD-OLED and it's great, but there's a very slight doublevision appearance for text fringing. Given the prices on these, I'll probably return it and wait for the LG 27" 1440P panel with RGWB layout. I'm still not feeling 100% on the idea, but I do think QD OLED is superior, just maybe not for desktop use. TV I'm looking at the S90C 55".
@@DaddySizeIt I hope you like it. I had the PG27AQDM (last year's ASUS WOLED flagship) but returned it due to pretty bad text fringing and really bad SDR color saturation. Was amazing for HDR gaming and I really miss the buttery smooth response times, but the desktop experience was worse than my 8-year-old LCD and I decided $900 was too much for that sort of compromise. It felt more like a cool tech demo for AAA games than an actual everyday usable product. I hope the RGWB layout and better brightness makes your experience better than mine was. Personally, I'm gonna hold off until the RTX 50 series cards come out so I can have something that pushes a lot of 4k frames and then figure out whichever 4k monitor is best at that point. Sadly using a TV as a monitor isn't an option for me since I wouldn't be able to sit far enough back to use one.
@@ClearAlera that's exactly how I feel about it. I wouldn't say QD-OLED is "tech demo" grade though. Better than that. I do feel for the near $900 I paid for this with tax, I'm not completely happy. It's close though. LGs pixel layout on the panel you had is very weird. I feel like RGWB > QD > RWBG for desktop monitors. Yes my QD panel is not as crisp as the LCDs I have next to it for text. It's acceptable, but that slight doublevision effect is always there. I actually think the LG 27GP850-B is really hard to beat. The major gains in response time are at 120Hz anyway, and I highly doubt the pixel response makes any difference for hitting shots with that panel vs OLED. It's going to be hard to not purchase one of those while I wait for the LG RGWB panels. I would buy the 27GP850-B for $250 or so. But I refuse to spend over that on anything that isn't OLED at this point. Say $400, that money is best saved towards OLED at this point.
Really curious when we'll see pixel densities in the >200 range. Would love to see some OLED options that can be used comfortably with 2x integer scaling.
Was really leaning towards the new 1440p 360hz QD OLED, before looking at what LG was going to be offering. What do you guys think about waiting for the new LG 480hz 2k monitors? It would have to be based on price for me, but im not sure I can wait that long for them to be released
I wish things were moving faster with all this, annoying to not get 27" 4K until late 2025 or early 2026. Makes me wonder if we'll even see 27" 5120x2880 before the end of the decade... Real shame to not have good 200% scale displays anywhere on the horizon. Also worried we won't see near-full color gamut until the distant future. Crazy that these specs that have existed for many years now are still so far from being met.
I've recently moved into a much smaller living space and my old LG 32GK650F, which I'm already wanting to replace due to the SLOW VA Panel is now also taking up too much space on my desk. Given that I think I'm aiming at one of the 27" panels. Either Samsung Gen3 or LG Gen2.5. It's not a LOT smaller than a 32", but I think it'll be enough of a change to bring the clutter down a bit.
yes indeed, working on it right now. It will be a written review on our main site for this one, mainly because there's a few things we will want to test and add in later and that's a lot easier when it's in that format :)
If anyone can find out if the MSI MAG 341CQP is using a 3rd gen panel or 2nd gen panel that'd be excellent. An MSI rep said it was using 3rd gen but that sounds fishy given the lack of features along with having a very different resolution and refresh rate compared to 3rd gen monitors.
It’s still a 175Hz refresh rate, so that’s the original gen 1 panel from Samsungs point of view. They’re reusing the panel they already have in stock from previous models but have updated the rest of the product spec from their side. Still a gen 1 panel. It might be MSI’s second or third generation of making 34” models, but the panel inside remains the same
@MrEmiroglu53 I expect they are using the term “next gen” to refer to their latest added tech like heatsink and graphene panel which wasn’t featured in their earlier 34” models. And OLED care 2.0 etc
27 inch is tiny. LG C3 was the best purchase I've ever made in computing. But I understand the desire for more than 120hz. Hopefully they'll do a 42 inch or something larger than 32 with the new refresh rates.
Thank you for the updates. I really appreciate it. Maybe you can clear up a question regarding HDR on the MSI 271QRX/321URX. Can you confirm that HDR works correctly and uses the appropriate gamut (i guess rec2020) when viewing HDR content when its NOT set to sRGB. So for example when i set it to Pro Mode: DisplayP3. Because im afraid it still bugged on other settings and not only the sRGB mode. Did you check that out and measured it ? Also i read that few people have more issues when using VRR via HDMI than with DP. Are there differences between these two inputs that could be the reason?
We are planning some further testing of the modes and HDR on the 321URX so keep an eye on the pinned comment against that video soon. I expect it using the P3 mode in SDR (slightly reduced colour space compared with native) would result in that same emulation in HDR mode. Although a lot of content in HDR is in P3 so that’s not going to be too bad. You’d prob need to use one of the none emulation modes to deliver you full panel gamut in HDR (and SDR)
is it worth waiting for 34" gen2.5 or difference with gen1 would be marginal and more theoretical? And does it /how much make sense to overpay for those gen2.5 improvements?
Fantastic job! It requires some dedication to go through that marketing bs and clarify the stuff this well in a 15min video. Some manufactures don't even clearly point out weather their panel is woled or qdoled not to mention the generations. For me I am mostly looking forward to that Samsung gen "2.5" meaning the next generation 34" ultrawide. Sadly that launch seems to have the least amount of information floating around. Hope its not due to far release date and more because of not so interesting re-release. Anyways would like to hear any info of that as soon as there is some.
Timeline is outdated. The 31,5" 240/480 Hz is already out there, so the production start isn't going to be may/june. And apparently LG stated already during CES that 27" 480 Hz is realsing H1, june being mentioned.
Well some things have changed but the LG 32GS95QE it not properly released yet or shipping, and when it is, I’d expect very limited initial volumes to be available for a few months. So far that also seems to be limited to the USA, with no sign of pre orders or info for any other region yet that we’ve seen. It’s good though that LG Electronics have been able to develop that nice and early though thanks to their affiliation with the panel manufacturer, to have it available around the time of panel mass production starting. Other manufacturers aren’t as lucky though and their timelines will be later in the year still If LG mentioned June for the 480Hz 27” panel, then that will have been LG.Display, as LG Electronics don’t have any monitor announced with that panel yet. so their talk of June is likely for panel production, aligned with our dates here. The only monitor announced so far using that panel is from Asus, and their expectations are still for monitor release in Q3 they’ve told us
QD OLED 34” you mean? There’s one gigabyte model announced using that panel but I expect others will be announced soon. Look out for the 240Hz refresh rate and the subtle (not 800R) curvature
Where is the 24" at? I don't care if its 1080p. I can't really use a bigger monitor so they are missing the mark with larger screens for me. A good screen at that size costs $400-$500. Don't see how that is not "cost effective". Yes I watched the video and you said it but I still wanted to say it.
It looks like the 31.5in 4k WOLED panel with the new sub pixel layout (LG 32GS95UE) was released earlier than expected. Do you think the 45in 5K2K WOLED with the new sub pixel layout that’s set for production in December could be due a little sooner as well?
That model was available in very limited stock and only in certain regions, with wider mass production of the panel now ongoing. Other monitors using that panel are still not launched yet. Could see the same thing with the other panels although no display manuf is yet to announce a monitor using it. If it was to appear early it would likely be in an LG Electronics monitor again
My predictions for the OLED monitor market going forward are as thus: VRR gamma flicker will continue to mar an otherwise near perfect tech; the companies will continue to ignore the issue and the media ( including TFT Central) will continue to do the panel makers a favor by never addressing it in any of their reviews and conveniently sweeping this glaring issue under the rug. Any info to the contrary is welcome, however. And of course you would have my apologies and gratitude in advance.
Fantastic video and well presented thanks. Please help me with one question if you don't mind. I'm keen on the 45inch 5k2k but that's gen 2.5 whereas the 34 and 39 inch monitors being produced late 2025 are gen 3? What's the difference between the gen 2.5 and gen 3? The 45 inch sounds perfect but then gen 3 happens a year later?
At this stage the full specs and capabilities are not known, but the reason we divided them in this way was to make a distinction based on their production years. The only known difference at the moment would be with the pixel densities (getting higher as the screen size gets smaller). Other developments from Lg Display may impact those further down the timeline but at the moment we can’t be sure.
Hi patreon supporter here. Keep up the good work! One quick question. I've noticed that none of the recently announced 32in 4K OLED Flat panels either WOLED or QD-OLED have a Gsync module included. (Its obviously not impossible, because Alienware/Dell's AW3423DW QD-OLED ultra-wide does include it, but that may be the only one). Setting aside the cost of incorporating the module and license, what are the other blockers for ASUS in particular in not going that route with either of their 32in 4K 240z OLED options? Thermals? Connectivity? Diminishing returns? Thanks!
Thanks for supporting us on Patreon! It’s all of those things really that you mentioned. I think the module needs a decent update to included modern connectivity and then it could become more useful again, especially if it could support features like BFI nicely!
I have preferred QD oled however, with the added brightness, subpixel change, and new dual mode feature I dont see how I can pick QD oled. Especially with QD now seemingly going matte and the woled going glossy... I guess I have like 2 years to think about it but I am very torn because 4k 240 with an option to go 1080 480hz is kind of the best of both worlds and this is my leading choice but likewise a 34" 240 ultrawide thats 5120x2160 also is a dream monitor, when we can get the ultrawide with a dual mode for higher refresh its over.
Thank you for the information, really helps ! Hopefully LG doenst shoot themselves with a horrible matte coating. Every thing else is i desire is present, especially the 38-39" size ! But if there is a matte coating , i will be very careful to see and judge for myself if it a deal breaker or not .
I'm definitely interested in the "5K" 5120x2160 45" but I'd really like a "480Hz" (.5kHz) with a variable curvature like a motorized LG Flex or manual like the Corsair Flex monitor in either case 800R. Ideally I'd like better text (sub pixel layout), a bright screen, and DisplayPort 2.x with a new / improved G-Sync module.
I noticed i can read with less strain on my OLED phone (Pixel 6) compared to the VA and IPS monitors that i use. Would be awesome to have that same experience on desktop. I use dark mode, even white on black text most of the time.
Thank you for the very informative and insightful videos and articles / studies! Do you have any information on if these late 2025 LG monitor RGB panels will be using PHOLED to achieve their RGB layout with sufficient brightness? I'm glad they're moving away from the white subpixel for the increase in color performance that that'll bring. I'm also wondering how Samsung Display is going to make use of PHOLED. Might it be possible for them to use a polarizing layer with the potential brightness boost that PHOLED could give them, or would it make more sense for them to also switch to a traditional RGB layout?
Do we know if Samsung is working on a dual-mode monitor as well? It would also make so much more sense if LG made a 5K display that can be downscaled to 1440p during DFR instead of 1080p with 4K.
@@tftcentral Alright. Do you think the true RGB 32 inch from LG will be dual mode considering it basically have the same specs as the current one? Is it worth waiting for you think?
@PD-ws4td very hard to know at this stage. It wasn’t listed as supporting DFR, but things can change. The text clarity is already very good on the new layout and 4K density so I wouldn’t wait if you’re after a new screen now
So if gen 3 the panel we all have been looking for? I need a 27" monitor for gaming, productivity, and content creation. Is this the one or should I go IPS?
Go with 27 inch Oled. Oled is really good for content creation due to color accuracy than ips. Burin in is only worth thing but the manufacturer now covers burn in for 3 years
Thanks for your vids. I'm a programmer and fps gamer, I'm planning to replace my monitor, right now I'm choosing between LG 27gs95qe and MSI MPG 271qrx, which one of these two is better in text rendering?
The MSI with its 3rd gen QD-OLED panel (which includes the updated pixel size/shape from gen 2) is better than the LG, which only has the older gen 1 WOLED layout, and def looks more blurry and less sharp side by side with the 27" QD-OLED panels
May we expect next years 4k 27 inch panels be 240hz? Or do you think they could pull off 360hz? I kind of want to know if it's worth waiting or not. The difference between 2k and 4k doesn't seem as important to me as 240hz or 360hz.
Maybe a strange question: But why do these Oled Monitors have 26.5 inch screens instead of full 27 inches? I plan to use an Oled Monitor as my main next to my older 27 inch LCD and my inner monk is rebelling because it is not the same size :D
Feels like all I've been doing is waiting for time to progress when it comes to monitors. Waited a decade for a 16:10 120Hz monitor. Never existed. Moved to ultrawide (PB298Q -> 34GK950F), waited for a 21:10 panel. Never existed. Ignored, and still ignoring, HDR. Now waiting for OLED to not be awful when it comes to text rendering.. also in ultrawide, and no bigger than 34" (impractical at a desk). Still waiting. That Aorus monitor is only 8bit; my current LG is 10bit. Why downgrade? The Asus has a 800R curve, extreme compared to 1800R (but 10bit panel). I feel like it'd be extremely annoying. So disappointed with the industry, still, after all these years...
I have one OLED question which I cannot find a clear answer. So I have LG C1 OLED TV and it has BFI. I heard that newer models supports it only in 60Hz mode, while C1 has support on 120Hz mode. Does this mean that C1 has 240Hz overall? Maybe I am badly understood how BFI works but if TV still shows every frame from my PC + black frames between in 120Hz mode then I think that panel should 240Hz. I will appreciate a clear answer. :)
The CX was the last of their TVs to support BFI at 120Hz, with the C1, 2 and 3 only supporting 60Hz BFI if I remember correctly. At the moment all implementations are now at the scaler level instead of the panel which is why it’s now limited to half the refresh rate
@@tftcentral The C1 was actually the last TV to support 120Hz BFI. I'm hoping the 42-inch 240Hz panel comes out sooner than later and LG Electronics implements the excellent 120Hz BFI options on it that the CX and C1 had.
While I like the idea of a true-RGB layout, I don't see how LG can hit the brightness levels of WRGB or QD-OLEDs. It doesn't seem like they're getting a 480Hz option either. When you combine that with the prevailing opinion that text-clarity issues being a non-factor on the latest OLEDs, I don't feel particularly excited about the 2025 panels. What I'd like to see most is vastly improved longevity and an interface that can do true 10-bit 4k 480 without DSC. Even UHBR20 can only manage a measly 267Hz and I haven't seen any standards being proposed that go beyond it. Both VESA and HDMI consortium have been caught napping a little bit by these fast panels.
Update lacks information about BFI (Black frame insertion). Which model will support it. thanks to bfi the gpu only needs to generate 120 fps and you feel that it is 240 fps or more. Native 240fps is overkill for gpu in AAA games
None of these panels are expected to feature native BFI support. If it is to be featured on forthcoming monitors it would need to be done on the scaler side like Asus have done. Although right now that’s very limited in operation and capabilities, but better than nothing
We prefer the new QDOLED 360Hz models to the older 240Hz OLED overall now. Faster, better coating, better text clarity and image quality. The MSI is our pick of the bunch at the moment
Wow. This video is brilliant, so informative. I was looking for months about 5120x2160 monitors and new 4k 240hz oleds, now it’s much clear what is and will be available on the market after your generation and samsung/lg breakdown. Nobody explains it better. Thanks a lot, liked and subscribed.
Glad you found it useful 😀
Thanks for the informative video. You should ask LG why they don't take more seriously what most people are asking: a well executed GLOSSY coating. I mean one that's better than Samsung option with raised blacks. LG will lose LOT of OLEDs aficionados this year just due their reluctance to offer a glossy option. The Dual-Hz Oled + Glossy would have been the KILLER monitor for 2024, what a pity...
Vote with your wallet, the only way to make these people listen.
The recent emphasis on colour volume hasn't done them any favours. Samsung's TVs have matched LG's luminance increases up to 3000nit peak, if they'd brought any of that to monitors I think it would be a trouncing.
Making noise about it gets attention too. Corporations are very aware of the mood of the market and what consumers think online.
I buy LG TVs (ironically the best glossy coating on any mass market display), but I cannot ever consider an LG OLED monitor, maybe it sounds like hyperbole but I think their matte coating is so bad it makes the screen unusable to me, I wouldn't dream of spending money on one for that reason alone. Awful.
@@pirx9798how? There is alternative glossy to buy
Exactly this. I've been wondering whether LG or ASUS could still switch to a glossy finish instead of matte on their dual-hz models. Usually, those who seek OLED displays typically prioritize the visual experience, so their decision to apply a matte coating seems incredibly confusing and counterintuitive to me. Also, OLED screens still struggle with brightness levels in well-lit environments, making the matte coating pretty much useless.
Absolutely fantastic and easy to understand guide for the oled monitors. Terrific, thank you
27" 4k 240Hz rgb oled is the goal. Great info.
next year
I want the 34" 240hz 5120x2160 that's end game
I'll settle for 160Hz, still need 27" 4k OLED. Then I'll buy.
meh, 32 4k 240hz with no burn-in is the goal for me.
Same here,27" 4K
2025 is the year of OLED with regular RGB Subpixel layout?❤ Can't wait🎉
lg has 2 ultrafine oled regular rgb but it's too expensive
@@hungz1241_axa well yeah I mean for gaming 😁 high refresh rate low input lag etc
@@MTheConqueror i think the RGB Subpixel layout is just better than wrgb just in video edit and text clarity. Gaming in big monitor or tv is better.
@@hungz1241_axa your not right. RGB in all cases better than wrgb.
Regular 27inch Monitor better for overall work and competitive games. TV only if you watch movies in competitive games you are going to be killed easily
@hungz1241_axa using J-OLED panels right?
I'm excited for the Gen 2.5 1440p 27" 480Hz with the updated RGWB layout, seems like the perfect esports monitor.
Thanks for this I'll be waiting for that LG display gen 2.5 ultra wide.
Thanks, in particular the 38" 1600p shoutout. I am one of those who likes that and am looking to get a new gen (QD)OLED in that format.
Crap. I just bought the AW 32" and this sounds fantastic lol
1080p 480 htz OLED monitor at 24 inches seems like a no brainer for the high end competitive market, but maybe that market is not big enough to warrant the investment for OLED panel makers.
27" 1440p 480hz is better even for competitive. It is too difficult to see targets at long ranges without 1440p and the monitor size doesn't matter as long as you move the monitor far enough away that it is functionally a 24" monitor in your field of view.
Thanks. This video was well informative.
the lg LG 32GS95UE dual mode monitor has already been listed the price is $1299 US
That's the same as the asus QD oled, expensive, but expected for the technology and the fact that it has more features than other manufacturers @@techieg33k
My BS meter just went through the roof
Can you share the link ?
@@Alinho295Search oled gaming subr. for a 13 days old post by the name LG 32 4K 240hz shows up on ****** US $1299 and exchange the stars with the south american rainforest.
@@Alinho295 update the monitor went live today on lg website for $1399 I bought one ship date is mid april
Awesome update. Keep it regular on Quarter basis, please. Also add the separate thread for IPS with dimming zones, dynamic refresh rates, etc.
Also speedup somehow the standard RGB oled panels development in LG or Samsung to get ideal 27 4K 240/360hz (over dp2.1 or hdmi 48Gb) monitor without ABL, Shimming or other strange OLED surprises for the normal productivity work.
Consider the IPS panel devs with full pixel-to-pixel backlight or double OLED layers as the next step to the ideal monitor.
Talk with LG and Samsung and make some posts that you are frustrated that they don't use this opportunities. Also remind them that Color Gamut not updated too long and BT.2020 100% volume coverage still waiting for them.
Last week I picked up a MSI MEG 342C, really happy with the monitor, and your simple tweaks made the monitor even better :) I have allways been holding back when it comes to screen size, so for me 27" have been the sweet spot, but after upgrading to 34" and been using that for my simrig, I also wanted 34" for daily driver also. And the biggest pluss was that my retail store had a great offer on them so I paid 1050$. In my country the MEG 342C goes for 1500$. I have for a long time pushed MSI for answers about msi meg 271q mini led they launched at CES 2022. No info on when that monitor will hit the market.
Currently the LG OLED panels seems more tempting for me, mostly because of the sub-pixel structure. It would be nice if the Samsung QD-OLED panels could further refine the sub-pixel structure as well in upcoming generations, making them a bit more "traditional" (getting rid of that triangle shape for text clarity).
Pure RGB OLED panels from LG looks promising as well, but I still hope for major improvements when it comes to brightness on OLED panels, as well as a 3 year burn-in warranty maybe becomes a minimum for OLED panels in general. Currently I look at the OLED technology of more a transitional technology before MicroLED and/or QDEL appears at consumer prices & sizes.
MicroLED and QDEL could be the OLED & LCD killers, as long as the current OLED & LCD technologies doesn't gets major improvements that can make them compete with those upcoming technologies. For OLED, the brightness has to get way higher, as well as the lifetime for the organic materials in the sub-pixels improves in a such way that that getting any kind of burn-in, even with office/desktop/static content use, would seem practical impossible. For LCD, I suppose you would have to give each pixel its own backlight (if that happens, doesn't that mean that the MicroLED technologi is ready?).
Yeah I bought the MSI 360Hz 1440P panel and love it, but will probably return it before the window is up and get the LG 27" just for the RGWB layout. Text IS acceptable on the QD panels, but there is barely visible doublevision effect from fringing. I use it all day everyday for work (text) and half the night for gaming. Works fine and it's a tough call. Colors will be more washed out on the LG panels due to the white pixel. Most of those will have LG's matte coating too which can't be anything but a downgrade. It's a tough choice.. smart thing to do is wait for reviews on both, but it was hard to get ahold of this panel and anyone who goes QD is not 'making a mistake''.
The 45 inch 4K WOLED from LG would be my go to for sure. Looking forward to seeing if it lives up to my expectations. :)
I really want to see the size difference between the 39" UW and the 38" UW. I have the 38 and I know its more like a 21:10 ratio and if the 39" is a more traditional 21:9 I think it will actually be shorter vertically. Thats why I am aiming for a 45" UW because I want a bigger picture size in that respect. Also, since LG is doing the whole dual resolution thing, if the make the 45" UW dual resolution (2560x1440 @ 480hz) it will be the perfect monitor for me, I really hope they do!
1600p 38" UltraWide is a dream, gosu resolution and aspect. So comfy to use at 100% font scaling and easy to drive high FPS on.
Such an excellent video, the best I have seen about the topic so far. Thank you so much.
42" 4k 240hz oled please. Using CX for almost 2 years and love it. 42" is perfect size for me.
Bro deserves more recognition, I was about to get a IPS panel but.... not anymore. Excellent video!
I'm currently using the 360hz Qd-oled and love it, But I did return my first unit due to it being much dimmer than I expected. I gave it another shot and can say it's "bright enough" but does leave me wanting and HDR doesn't really help that. If they can update it to reach a little over 300 nits or just let it peak higher with some abl, I would be happy. It's almost endgame, just needs a little boost in the brightness to appreciate its other quality's.
Are the various 27" Mini-LED models announced in 2022 (which I think were using the LG Display M270WR8-SSE1 panel) ever going to materialise, or were they all just vapourware?
LG's 42" TVs can run at 1600p ultrawide, which comes to 40" of screen. On top of that you also have the option to run it at the whole 2160p for maximum real estate, thus having best of both worlds.
Not that I expect it’ll magically make me a better gamer but I’m most interested in 480hz didn’t know that was expected this year. Exciting stufff
Thank you for a great update and overview.
45" or 39" with 5120x2160, 240hz , oled, where is the preorder button ?!?! i'd buy one right now even if it is 2000€.
btw thanks for the videos, can't find any other channel to give simply and clear information about upcoming monitors.
I'm very interested in that True RGB OLED from LG. I heard rumors that might make its way to their TVs in the next year or two if they switch to phosphorus for the blue subpixel. Pretty exciting that'll make its way to the monitors as well, I wonder how it will compare to QD-OLED.
What does it mean ? (phosphorus for the blue subpixel) That there will be no risk of burn-in?
@@laddso5444 The material is more efficient than the current fluorescent material. The means higher brightness with less burn in.
After trying the Alienware and sending it back due to firmware issues, missing features like audio out, and not really being a fan of the curve, I can't really say that I'm too eager to get another 32" 4k 240hz variant. Turns out I REALLY like the 42" size of my C2 at 4 feet distance its perfect and great for PC, consoles, and movies. I'd instantly move to a 4k 240hz 42" variant especially at 1300 nits. RGB subpixel structure OLED would be great but if they release a 42 240hz panel with the RGWB pixel layout I would upgrade for sure.
27 is my sweet spot, might to wait until q4 next year.
mine too but such a push for 32 inch 4k oled on reddit, most users saying they wont go back to 1440p, 1440p higher fps vs 4k native texture assets...
@@denvernaicker8250because 32 inches is objectively the better and more immerse experience, whether you are a casual gamer, esport gamer, watch videos or use it for color correction. In my opinion the sweet spot will be around 35 inches but 32 is a huge improvement over 27.
there is already. AW2725DF. 360hz 1440P QD OLED
27" is yuk 🤮
@@jamesmadison3108Isn't that the one with horrible eye strain problem? Besides there is 27" 1440p 480hz coming soon. No reason to buy 360hz.
Love to see HP Omen Transcend 32 - 240Hz and 4K in a 32-inch OLED gaming monitor review. DP 2.1 & HDMI 2.1?
A very nice summary, thanks!
great video. The best Buy sell of the LG UltraGear 45" OLED Curved WQHD 240Hz 0.03ms FreeSync and NVIDIA G-SYNC Compatible Gaming Monitor with HDR400 - Black
for $1,199.00 ($500 Off) brought me here. I think I am going to wait for a better resolution flat screen with at least 1300 nits. I didn't like that the LG monitor listed above left text grainy.
27 inch glossy coating option?!
Any chance at seeing a 32" with a 5k or 6k resolution? Would love to see something like that.
Longer term maybe but they’ve not just managed to push pixel density to 4K at that size. Nothing in plans yet that we’ve seen
That 39" ultrawide...... gimme!
The IPS black at a 32ish it those dual mode (4k/1080p) monitors around 32in are what I'm looking forward to
Is there any news about non-oled Samsung panels? Im curious if they have minileds with higher dimming zone counts
Samsung Display no longer make any LCD panels. They stopped that a couple of years back. Samsung Electronics still make some lcd monitors though using other manufacturers panels nowadays
@@tftcentral thank you for the clarification
So are we to assume the PG27AQDP will still be a matte finish ? I only game at night so reflections aren't an issue for me Cheers
Yes it is
Appreciate the reply mate, think the new MSI 271QRX is the way to go then, just waiting for some reviews....
@MrStato355 we should have one soon 👍
Great as always. Thx a lot for this competent and friendly video. I'm focusing on Alienware AW3225QF on Black Friday. But Maybe I'll wait for LG's true RGB devices. But 2 years... Anyway, enjoying my Inzone M9 and LG 65" C1.
The only concern is Burn In, as I use the monitor for office work too.
Will we get such a monitor with built-in speakers?
I think the next gen 32" panel will be the sweet spot, hopefully 480Hz with full UHD and better Windows support for the subpixel layout by then ....
Very useful information. I am thinking about upgrading my monitor. However, it looks like the best option is to wait for the next generation of OLEDs because I don't want to be stuck with an inferior panel. It always seems like the next best thing is just around the corner. On a related topic, I am afraid that monitor producers will try to sell outdated panels by rebranding them. Also, maybe prices are not going down because manufacturors don't want to mass produce panels which will become outdated very soon...
LG with an updated pixel structure will really help it as an alternative to QD-OLED. It will be an actual choice between better text clarity or better color.
27" 4k oled rgb in 2025! I'm hyped. Too bad I kinda need a monitor now.
Looks like LG is making some really big (and necessary) upgrades this year. Both Samsung and LG are increasing pixel density and refresh rates, but that's where the improvements stop for Samsung. LG is improving brightness by 30%, subpixel layout, and screen coating on top of that. Still worried about their color saturation though.
my concern too, color saturation. That's a big deal. I bought the MSI 360Hz 27" QD-OLED and it's great, but there's a very slight doublevision appearance for text fringing. Given the prices on these, I'll probably return it and wait for the LG 27" 1440P panel with RGWB layout. I'm still not feeling 100% on the idea, but I do think QD OLED is superior, just maybe not for desktop use. TV I'm looking at the S90C 55".
@@DaddySizeIt I hope you like it. I had the PG27AQDM (last year's ASUS WOLED flagship) but returned it due to pretty bad text fringing and really bad SDR color saturation. Was amazing for HDR gaming and I really miss the buttery smooth response times, but the desktop experience was worse than my 8-year-old LCD and I decided $900 was too much for that sort of compromise. It felt more like a cool tech demo for AAA games than an actual everyday usable product. I hope the RGWB layout and better brightness makes your experience better than mine was. Personally, I'm gonna hold off until the RTX 50 series cards come out so I can have something that pushes a lot of 4k frames and then figure out whichever 4k monitor is best at that point. Sadly using a TV as a monitor isn't an option for me since I wouldn't be able to sit far enough back to use one.
@@ClearAlera that's exactly how I feel about it. I wouldn't say QD-OLED is "tech demo" grade though. Better than that. I do feel for the near $900 I paid for this with tax, I'm not completely happy. It's close though. LGs pixel layout on the panel you had is very weird. I feel like RGWB > QD > RWBG for desktop monitors.
Yes my QD panel is not as crisp as the LCDs I have next to it for text. It's acceptable, but that slight doublevision effect is always there.
I actually think the LG 27GP850-B is really hard to beat. The major gains in response time are at 120Hz anyway, and I highly doubt the pixel response makes any difference for hitting shots with that panel vs OLED. It's going to be hard to not purchase one of those while I wait for the LG RGWB panels.
I would buy the 27GP850-B for $250 or so. But I refuse to spend over that on anything that isn't OLED at this point. Say $400, that money is best saved towards OLED at this point.
Really curious when we'll see pixel densities in the >200 range. Would love to see some OLED options that can be used comfortably with 2x integer scaling.
That would require 6k 27 inch or 8k 32inch monitors, maybe in the future
Hopefully never. Zero benefit at normal viewing distances.
Was really leaning towards the new 1440p 360hz QD OLED, before looking at what LG was going to be offering. What do you guys think about waiting for the new LG 480hz 2k monitors? It would have to be based on price for me, but im not sure I can wait that long for them to be released
LG's 2025 with the RGB layout is the most exciting for me, but it's so far off.
yeah, as programmer and gamer the 45" 4k ultrawide is what I waiting for.
I wish things were moving faster with all this, annoying to not get 27" 4K until late 2025 or early 2026. Makes me wonder if we'll even see 27" 5120x2880 before the end of the decade... Real shame to not have good 200% scale displays anywhere on the horizon. Also worried we won't see near-full color gamut until the distant future. Crazy that these specs that have existed for many years now are still so far from being met.
I've recently moved into a much smaller living space and my old LG 32GK650F, which I'm already wanting to replace due to the SLOW VA Panel is now also taking up too much space on my desk.
Given that I think I'm aiming at one of the 27" panels. Either Samsung Gen3 or LG Gen2.5. It's not a LOT smaller than a 32", but I think it'll be enough of a change to bring the clutter down a bit.
HWU recommends the MSI over the Asus. No reason to spend 350 dollars more
If you check our review, we do as well for USA based on that price difference. It’s a bit less clear cut in other regions though
Will you guys be reviewing the AW3225QF aswell?
yes indeed, working on it right now. It will be a written review on our main site for this one, mainly because there's a few things we will want to test and add in later and that's a lot easier when it's in that format :)
Thank you very informative
If anyone can find out if the MSI MAG 341CQP is using a 3rd gen panel or 2nd gen panel that'd be excellent. An MSI rep said it was using 3rd gen but that sounds fishy given the lack of features along with having a very different resolution and refresh rate compared to 3rd gen monitors.
It’s still a 175Hz refresh rate, so that’s the original gen 1 panel from Samsungs point of view. They’re reusing the panel they already have in stock from previous models but have updated the rest of the product spec from their side. Still a gen 1 panel. It might be MSI’s second or third generation of making 34” models, but the panel inside remains the same
@@tftcentralThank you lots. I had a feeling that was the case but couldn't find a valid source to triple check for the life of me.
@@tftcentral Why MSI is advertising that with Next Gen? Any idea?
@MrEmiroglu53 I expect they are using the term “next gen” to refer to their latest added tech like heatsink and graphene panel which wasn’t featured in their earlier 34” models. And OLED care 2.0 etc
@@tftcentralkinda misleading me thinks. and so do many others on reddit about this ambiguous info.
27 inch is tiny. LG C3 was the best purchase I've ever made in computing. But I understand the desire for more than 120hz. Hopefully they'll do a 42 inch or something larger than 32 with the new refresh rates.
I just want higher brightness QD-OLED's man. All I ask for.
no 42 options? it's a missed opportunity. what do you think?
Thank you for the updates. I really appreciate it. Maybe you can clear up a question regarding HDR on the MSI 271QRX/321URX. Can you confirm that HDR works correctly and uses the appropriate gamut (i guess rec2020) when viewing HDR content when its NOT set to sRGB. So for example when i set it to Pro Mode: DisplayP3. Because im afraid it still bugged on other settings and not only the sRGB mode. Did you check that out and measured it ?
Also i read that few people have more issues when using VRR via HDMI than with DP. Are there differences between these two inputs that could be the reason?
We are planning some further testing of the modes and HDR on the 321URX so keep an eye on the pinned comment against that video soon. I expect it using the P3 mode in SDR (slightly reduced colour space compared with native) would result in that same emulation in HDR mode. Although a lot of content in HDR is in P3 so that’s not going to be too bad. You’d prob need to use one of the none emulation modes to deliver you full panel gamut in HDR (and SDR)
is it worth waiting for 34" gen2.5 or difference with gen1 would be marginal and more theoretical? And does it /how much make sense to overpay for those gen2.5 improvements?
Great video thanks
I'm quite excited for the 3rd generation: 31.5(32) 4k and the 27 inch 4k. But I would not want more then 240. 165 preferably
Got the MSI MPG321URX and it's a game changer, comparing to LG C1 before.
still no comments on MSI skipping MAG series firmware update....
Yea its weird but the $800 entry, with firmware but they add one $50 less to not be able to do that so i guess thankfully its not $800 and $850
Fantastic job! It requires some dedication to go through that marketing bs and clarify the stuff this well in a 15min video. Some manufactures don't even clearly point out weather their panel is woled or qdoled not to mention the generations. For me I am mostly looking forward to that Samsung gen "2.5" meaning the next generation 34" ultrawide. Sadly that launch seems to have the least amount of information floating around. Hope its not due to far release date and more because of not so interesting re-release. Anyways would like to hear any info of that as soon as there is some.
Timeline is outdated. The 31,5" 240/480 Hz is already out there, so the production start isn't going to be may/june. And apparently LG stated already during CES that 27" 480 Hz is realsing H1, june being mentioned.
Well some things have changed but the LG 32GS95QE it not properly released yet or shipping, and when it is, I’d expect very limited initial volumes to be available for a few months. So far that also seems to be limited to the USA, with no sign of pre orders or info for any other region yet that we’ve seen.
It’s good though that LG Electronics have been able to develop that nice and early though thanks to their affiliation with the panel manufacturer, to have it available around the time of panel mass production starting. Other manufacturers aren’t as lucky though and their timelines will be later in the year still
If LG mentioned June for the 480Hz 27” panel, then that will have been LG.Display, as LG Electronics don’t have any monitor announced with that panel yet. so their talk of June is likely for panel production, aligned with our dates here. The only monitor announced so far using that panel is from Asus, and their expectations are still for monitor release in Q3 they’ve told us
Where are these Gen 2.5 UltraWides? Shouldn't there be some kind of announcement for a refresh already?
QD OLED 34” you mean? There’s one gigabyte model announced using that panel but I expect others will be announced soon. Look out for the 240Hz refresh rate and the subtle (not 800R) curvature
@@tftcentralI think it's this one: ASRock PGO34QRS2A
I was interested in the new glossy 27” Asus xg27aqdmg.. then I found out it’s still got the old RWBG pixel layout which makes text blurry. :(
Your timeline is a great way to visualize what the hell is going on. It's rather confusing to keep track of all these displays.
Thanks!
Are these monitors good for HDR color grading?
Where is the 24" at? I don't care if its 1080p. I can't really use a bigger monitor so they are missing the mark with larger screens for me. A good screen at that size costs $400-$500. Don't see how that is not "cost effective".
Yes I watched the video and you said it but I still wanted to say it.
It looks like the 31.5in 4k WOLED panel with the new sub pixel layout (LG 32GS95UE) was released earlier than expected. Do you think the 45in 5K2K WOLED with the new sub pixel layout that’s set for production in December could be due a little sooner as well?
That model was available in very limited stock and only in certain regions, with wider mass production of the panel now ongoing. Other monitors using that panel are still not launched yet. Could see the same thing with the other panels although no display manuf is yet to announce a monitor using it. If it was to appear early it would likely be in an LG Electronics monitor again
Is there any news about IPS 27" 4K 240Hz?
Not in this video about OLED panels 😀 check out our other videos about LG Display And AUO LCD panels though from recently 😀
I got the MSI MAG 271QPX on order. wonder if they're going to ship them to arrive on the release date or not ship until the release date.
My predictions for the OLED monitor market going forward are as thus:
VRR gamma flicker will continue to mar an otherwise near perfect tech; the companies will continue to ignore the issue and the media ( including TFT Central) will continue to do the panel makers a favor by never addressing it in any of their reviews and conveniently sweeping this glaring issue under the rug.
Any info to the contrary is welcome, however. And of course you would have my apologies and gratitude in advance.
Fantastic video and well presented thanks. Please help me with one question if you don't mind. I'm keen on the 45inch 5k2k but that's gen 2.5 whereas the 34 and 39 inch monitors being produced late 2025 are gen 3? What's the difference between the gen 2.5 and gen 3? The 45 inch sounds perfect but then gen 3 happens a year later?
At this stage the full specs and capabilities are not known, but the reason we divided them in this way was to make a distinction based on their production years. The only known difference at the moment would be with the pixel densities (getting higher as the screen size gets smaller). Other developments from Lg Display may impact those further down the timeline but at the moment we can’t be sure.
@tftcentral thanks so much for your reply, really appreciate it. Fingers crossed these ones have a glossy coating!
My eye is currently on my first gen qd-oled. Oh my budget as well 😂
Hi patreon supporter here. Keep up the good work! One quick question. I've noticed that none of the recently announced 32in 4K OLED Flat panels either WOLED or QD-OLED have a Gsync module included. (Its obviously not impossible, because Alienware/Dell's AW3423DW QD-OLED ultra-wide does include it, but that may be the only one). Setting aside the cost of incorporating the module and license, what are the other blockers for ASUS in particular in not going that route with either of their 32in 4K 240z OLED options? Thermals? Connectivity? Diminishing returns? Thanks!
Thanks for supporting us on Patreon! It’s all of those things really that you mentioned. I think the module needs a decent update to included modern connectivity and then it could become more useful again, especially if it could support features like BFI nicely!
I have preferred QD oled however, with the added brightness, subpixel change, and new dual mode feature I dont see how I can pick QD oled. Especially with QD now seemingly going matte and the woled going glossy... I guess I have like 2 years to think about it but I am very torn because 4k 240 with an option to go 1080 480hz is kind of the best of both worlds and this is my leading choice but likewise a 34" 240 ultrawide thats 5120x2160 also is a dream monitor, when we can get the ultrawide with a dual mode for higher refresh its over.
Thank you for the information, really helps !
Hopefully LG doenst shoot themselves with a horrible matte coating.
Every thing else is i desire is present, especially the 38-39" size ! But if there is a matte coating , i will be very careful to see and judge for myself if it a deal breaker or not .
I'm definitely interested in the "5K" 5120x2160 45" but I'd really like a "480Hz" (.5kHz) with a variable curvature like a motorized LG Flex or manual like the Corsair Flex monitor in either case 800R. Ideally I'd like better text (sub pixel layout), a bright screen, and DisplayPort 2.x with a new / improved G-Sync module.
Great video guys. Thank you!
I noticed i can read with less strain on my OLED phone (Pixel 6) compared to the VA and IPS monitors that i use. Would be awesome to have that same experience on desktop.
I use dark mode, even white on black text most of the time.
Thank you for the very informative and insightful videos and articles / studies!
Do you have any information on if these late 2025 LG monitor RGB panels will be using PHOLED to achieve their RGB layout with sufficient brightness? I'm glad they're moving away from the white subpixel for the increase in color performance that that'll bring.
I'm also wondering how Samsung Display is going to make use of PHOLED. Might it be possible for them to use a polarizing layer with the potential brightness boost that PHOLED could give them, or would it make more sense for them to also switch to a traditional RGB layout?
It’s unclear at this stage I’m afraid. We don’t have any firm info on either but expect some more news later in the year probably
Do we know if Samsung is working on a dual-mode monitor as well? It would also make so much more sense if LG made a 5K display that can be downscaled to 1440p during DFR instead of 1080p with 4K.
None that we are aware of
@@tftcentral Alright. Do you think the true RGB 32 inch from LG will be dual mode considering it basically have the same specs as the current one? Is it worth waiting for you think?
@PD-ws4td very hard to know at this stage. It wasn’t listed as supporting DFR, but things can change. The text clarity is already very good on the new layout and 4K density so I wouldn’t wait if you’re after a new screen now
@@tftcentral Gotcha, thanks a lot :)
So if gen 3 the panel we all have been looking for? I need a 27" monitor for gaming, productivity, and content creation. Is this the one or should I go IPS?
Go with 27 inch Oled. Oled is really good for content creation due to color accuracy than ips. Burin in is only worth thing but the manufacturer now covers burn in for 3 years
Thanks for your vids. I'm a programmer and fps gamer, I'm planning to replace my monitor, right now I'm choosing between LG 27gs95qe and MSI MPG 271qrx, which one of these two is better in text rendering?
The MSI with its 3rd gen QD-OLED panel (which includes the updated pixel size/shape from gen 2) is better than the LG, which only has the older gen 1 WOLED layout, and def looks more blurry and less sharp side by side with the 27" QD-OLED panels
@@tftcentral Thank you for your reply, it was very helpful!
May we expect next years 4k 27 inch panels be 240hz? Or do you think they could pull off 360hz?
I kind of want to know if it's worth waiting or not.
The difference between 2k and 4k doesn't seem as important to me as 240hz or 360hz.
Very hard to know for sure but I’d expect 240Hz
Im just in the G60SD waiting room
Maybe a strange question: But why do these Oled Monitors have 26.5 inch screens instead of full 27 inches? I plan to use an Oled Monitor as my main next to my older 27 inch LCD and my inner monk is rebelling because it is not the same size :D
Not sure why it’s slightly different tbh. Some other 27” class panels are slightly different too and rounded up
Feels like all I've been doing is waiting for time to progress when it comes to monitors.
Waited a decade for a 16:10 120Hz monitor. Never existed. Moved to ultrawide (PB298Q -> 34GK950F), waited for a 21:10 panel. Never existed. Ignored, and still ignoring, HDR. Now waiting for OLED to not be awful when it comes to text rendering.. also in ultrawide, and no bigger than 34" (impractical at a desk). Still waiting.
That Aorus monitor is only 8bit; my current LG is 10bit. Why downgrade? The Asus has a 800R curve, extreme compared to 1800R (but 10bit panel). I feel like it'd be extremely annoying.
So disappointed with the industry, still, after all these years...
Feel you bro. it's absolutely frustrating
Thank you for this overview! I'll be awaiting the reviews first. And the price..
ohhh cmon LG, make 42 c4 with 240Hz and MLA or Flex 2 42 with MLA + 240Hz !
Thx.
I have one OLED question which I cannot find a clear answer. So I have LG C1 OLED TV and it has BFI. I heard that newer models supports it only in 60Hz mode, while C1 has support on 120Hz mode. Does this mean that C1 has 240Hz overall? Maybe I am badly understood how BFI works but if TV still shows every frame from my PC + black frames between in 120Hz mode then I think that panel should 240Hz. I will appreciate a clear answer. :)
The CX was the last of their TVs to support BFI at 120Hz, with the C1, 2 and 3 only supporting 60Hz BFI if I remember correctly. At the moment all implementations are now at the scaler level instead of the panel which is why it’s now limited to half the refresh rate
@@tftcentral The C1 was actually the last TV to support 120Hz BFI. I'm hoping the 42-inch 240Hz panel comes out sooner than later and LG Electronics implements the excellent 120Hz BFI options on it that the CX and C1 had.
Ah I stand corrected. That’s one year we didn’t test so couldn’t remember if it had it or not. Thanks
While I like the idea of a true-RGB layout, I don't see how LG can hit the brightness levels of WRGB or QD-OLEDs. It doesn't seem like they're getting a 480Hz option either. When you combine that with the prevailing opinion that text-clarity issues being a non-factor on the latest OLEDs, I don't feel particularly excited about the 2025 panels.
What I'd like to see most is vastly improved longevity and an interface that can do true 10-bit 4k 480 without DSC. Even UHBR20 can only manage a measly 267Hz and I haven't seen any standards being proposed that go beyond it. Both VESA and HDMI consortium have been caught napping a little bit by these fast panels.
WRT brightness - I think there are new pigments coming.
Update lacks information about BFI (Black frame insertion). Which model will support it. thanks to bfi the gpu only needs to generate 120 fps and you feel that it is 240 fps or more. Native 240fps is overkill for gpu in AAA games
None of these panels are expected to feature native BFI support. If it is to be featured on forthcoming monitors it would need to be done on the scaler side like Asus have done. Although right now that’s very limited in operation and capabilities, but better than nothing
That LG WOLED Gen 3 34" Ultrawide 5120 x 2160 with 240hz is what Ive been waiting for.
Get the asus pgm or updated lg oled or the msi 360hz oled?
We prefer the new QDOLED 360Hz models to the older 240Hz OLED overall now. Faster, better coating, better text clarity and image quality. The MSI is our pick of the bunch at the moment
Still waiting on the updated 34 inch ultrawide monitors. 😔
This one should be quite soon. Gigabyte also have a model
tftcentral.co.uk/news/msi-to-launch-mpg-341cqpx-34-ultrawide-240hz-qd-oled-monitor
Oh didn't see this one, I knew about the Gigabyte one but have been waiting on news for it. @@tftcentral
The prices on these monitors are way too hight. In my opinion they are not worth it.