The Best Computer Monitor Is A TV
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- čas přidán 18. 11. 2023
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I’ve been rocking the LG C2 42 for over a year now and there ain’t no going back to monitors for now. Value is hard to beat. If you know how to hack it and turn off all the “TV” friendly features, it’s fantastic.
SAME THING MAN BUT IN MY CASE 48 C1
What's that clock app?
How do you hack it? I am looking to buy the 42" for video editing and looking for any information.
48” C1 here. Can’t ever go back. It’s incredible.
I've been using a C2 as well. Though a 55in, so I actually set up a small desk in front of the TV when I want to use my PC.
Not very convenient but it works.
I'd prefer to have a monitor for my PC. But I don't want a display that looks worse that my TV, and monitors of that caliber feel way overpriced.
A 32in 4K OLED 240hz monitor costs more than my 55in 4K OLED 120hz TV.
I'd like one of those monitors but the price is too high to justify.
A simple solution (workaround) for the issue you have with any app that has multiple instances open, is to click and hold the icon on the dock and select the title of the window you want to come forward. Only that window will be brought in the foreground. Additionally you can always enable "mission control" or "application windows" in a hot corner (pisses a lot of people off if they're not used to it, but for me it's the best workflow feature of macOS by far!). That way you can see and sort the windows either for all applications (mission control) or a single application (application windows). To use just quickly hover to the top left, and bring the window you want in front by clicking on it.
bonus tip: During drag and dropping items from any app to another, instead of holding the items over the app icon and waiting for it to come forward, while still holding the items over the icon, hit the space bar, and that will immediately open the app window - saves some time.
I didn't go through all the comments, so not sure if someone answered this. Right click on the application's dock icon. You should get a list of all the windows associated with the application. If you select the window you want, this will be the only window that comes forward. Also you can have windows for an application minimize into the dock (instead of the application icon). This makes it much easier to find application windows that you've minimized. Keep up the good work!
This is the same problem we have with images from rectilinear lenses (straight lines stay straight). The wider the angle of view occupied the screen (or photo), the more distortion there is near the edges or corners due to it being rectilinear (flat). Basically, the ratio of distance to the corner vs the center deviates too much from 1.0 (pixel angular width varies with the location of the pixel). When you start to run into this limit, a curved monitor works better (equivalent to a fisheye lens - circles stay circular) - pixel angular width stays closer to constant regardless of location on the screen.
Because the problem is angle of view, the size of the screen isn't actually important (other than the distance your eyes have to focus). A 30" screen sitting 2 ft away will provide an identical experience to a 60" screen sitting 4 ft away.
You should also try using a table that's not so deep. Place the TV on a bench behind the table, which is not as tall as the table (so the bottom of the screen is actually below table level but still visible). Your head and eyes are designed to look at stuff from slightly above the horizon, to far below the horizon. So positioning the center of the screen at eye height results in the top of the screen being uncomfortably high. Putting the TV on a shorter bench lowers it so most of the screen is below your eye level. While the shorter table depth allows the bottom of the screen to remain visible above the back edge of the table.
@@SimonWoodburyForget Yes the effect is the same as in real life. But the reason it's a problem for computers (especially games) but not real life, is that towards the edges or corners of a wide angle screen, there are more pixels per arc-degree of vision. So the computer packs in more information in the same angular space (a Word document at the center of the screen is easier to read than if it's at the corner due to it taking up a smaller angle of view in the corner). Or the computer has to work harder (games) to generate those corner pixels which don't cover as much space on your retina as center pixels. Both are solved (or mitigated) by a curved screen.
What you are suggesting,can have unpleasant effects to a spine in the long run.
Very unpleasant in the old age.
Idealy,the center of the screen should be at the perfect level to the eyes.
Aligned.
Or very, very slightly above the eyes level.
People choose to ignore it for various reasons.
Lazyness,lack of resources,ignorance.
This is why so many people have back and neck pains.
I'm using 55'' 8K LG Nano for about 3 years now and I love it. It's near flawless. Image quality is stunning. The only thing is that 55'' might be slightly too big. 48'' would be perfect, but I wasn't able at that time to find 48'' 8K.
Nonetheless, I'm so happy with that buy, I don't think any multi screen setup is more comfortable for work that just a large screen with Fancy zones (on WIndows).
Thank you for guiding me through the OLED monitor setup! Your clear instructions made the process seamless, and I now enjoy a vibrant and stunning display. Your expertise and patience are truly appreciated. Grateful for your help in enhancing my viewing experience. ❤
I've been using a 55" LG C1 for the last few years. I have it on a Rolling TV stand. Makes it much easier to position it just the right distance away. For me it's about 4 ft. The extra foot makes a big difference. Personally I don't use a regular desk. I use a lap desk in my recliner. I have the lap desk sitting on a couple of cheap bar stools that sit right below the TV so all I have to do is lean forward and pick up the lap desk for ease of use.
I've been using large TVs as monitors for many, many years now, and none have been as comfortable as my 2017 Samsung 55" curved 4K. The small curve keeps the corners in focus, and they are the very first thing I noticed when I bought a flat TV a few years later. I tried sizes ranging from 40" to 75" and the sweet spot really is 55" for eye comfort and productivity. I still use that old Samsung as my "work from home" display since I can stare at code for 8+ hours without any eye strain, but my other two PCs run LG OLEDs, which I think look amazing and I run them very bright, but that gets exhausting outside of games.
Which tv is that? Still available?
Ihad an issue of trying a TV out but it was too bright and gave me eye strain as well. Even though I tried to dim it down.
I can't seem to find curved TV's anymore, this is exact what I wanted to try. I got the 49" curved G9 monitor, but it's just not tall enough. Wide as hell, but I do a lot of Wordpress site editing and need height as well.
Yep. You got exactly the problem I hit up against just using a 43 inch 4k as a monitor.
I thought it would be great, like 4 1080p monitors, *but* the viewing angle gets extreme at the edges. I end up moving myself to get a better viewing angle.
4 1080ps are just better. You can angle them left right *and* up down.
I bought the service remote for my C2 and turned the local dimming off. Game changer. It’s ridiculously color accurate. I also use an iPad (with sidecar) as a reference monitor.
Are you sure about the local dimming? OLED TVs generally don't have that because they can control individual pixels. Actually I haven't heard any OLED TV having local dimming. There is no need for local dimming. Maybe you have turned off something else. Or maybe with service remote you have that setting but it does nothing on OLED TVs
That's auto dimming not local dimming. oleds don't have local dimming.
OLEDs dont need or have Local dimming.
@@jonnanieminen8848yes the LG C2 does do this the entire c line does this if you just watch any video on the LG series as a PC monitor you can see them do this. TV mode it does it when you're using it as a monitor. There is a workaround for it it just void your warranty
So there is a different remote control you can buy?
I've been using the Lg 42 c2 oled for a while now and I love it. Not perfect but beats all other monitors i've tried. I came from a 5k Dell prior to the c2 and I am happy. Prints come back good and colors are great when slightly adjusted.
the 42" has got to be the best video editing experience ever
I also use a 42" LG C3 since 5 months and it is really nice. I can comfortable overview the whole screen without turning my head. It has with 42" 104ppi which is ok. The townside are the glossy coating, Oled Banding and i had to turn of "Cleartype" because of color-fringing (WRGB).
You have any advice on getting the best deep rich sharp color when gaming I can't seem to get it right without something else being just not quite right. I even tried to secret code 1113111 and switched colorimetry to bt2020 and its great but it just looks like a lame filter instead of targeting only the colors it coats the whole screen so rooms look orange or red rather than "only enhancing the colors" I'm trying to get the best viewing experience when gaming
I've been using a 4k 55'' Samsung TV for almost 10 years. It is slightly curved and it's been brilliant, especially for photo editing, because the colors are very good and the size means anything that isn't sharp really stands out.
Such good content! have literally become obsessed with your first video on this subject. Please keep exploring this and trying to find a solution. Keep us in the loop.
I've been using a 55" LG C1 as my gaming monitor for about 3 years now, with absolutely no complaints I invested in extended insurance because OLED burn in was a concern but I've had no issues using the TV with thousands of hours of usage.
Been using my 65 LG cx with my Alienware aurora r14. I sit 7 feet away and use Bluetooth controls. So the distance helps with the size. The colors and contrast and picture quality still shock me each day I use it, and it's not even the latest greatest oled. 😂
😎😭
I should add it's wall mounted and my head positioning is central approximately 5ft from the screen it doesn't fill my fov, as for pixel density it's fine for a 50 year old like myself whose eyesight is just starting to fail
I bought the LG C2 42" and it has been an amazing monitor. I was coming from a 3 4k 27" monitor setup and It's crazy how big 4k is with no scaling turned on. I don't feel like I lost any screen restate.
Me too. The C2 is amazing.
Is c3 worth the price?
I just picked up two LG 32" UltraFine Display Ergo 4K Monitors on sale both for $600. Retail is $600 a piece. I would’ve preferred one larger monitor like you are doing but I am pretty happy with both monitors. Photo editing and printing are spot on with both printer matching up with my monitors. Both connect to my m1 mac mini without any issues.
Awesome video! I have an LG OLED48C16LA with my Mac Mini for 2 years now and i absolutely love it. The screen real estate is awesome. I did mount it on the wall to lower the top of the screen to be around 15cm above eye level to avoid neck strain. Also, i have it on HDR (game mode) all the time. This provides the best picture quality and i do not see any pixel. I used Moom for screen region control but stopped using it. I like having the windows to move and size freely over the screen.
The 42 inch LG C3 is currently on sale on Amazon for just under $900. Last I heard, Best Buy will price match. I've seen a lot of videos where people are using the 42 inch (usually the C2, older version), and most seem quite satisfied. Can't beat the current price.
um, it's $900 at costco with 5 year warranty.
Yes, I have the C2 42 and it's awesome 👌
I’ve had the 42 inch C2 for a while now and I LOVE it still.
@@ShawnStricklanddo you use it as PC monitor I have the c2 42 also
I have one of those I got for 750 last year for Black Friday. It's great mounted about 3 feet from my face
I first got the 48" LG C1 for a monitor but found it just a bit too large. I eventually swapped to a 42" C2 and found the size to be perfect as a desk monitor next to me 34" ultrawide. Great for editing.
Yep, my C2 is perfect for my work and fun ... software engineer so I'm coding about 12 hours a day on it. I use 3X 55" LG OLEDs for my flight simulator setup.
This is how what-if tech review videos should be like. Love your candor and enthusiasm.
I've been using a 48" Sony A9 4K OLED as my monitor for a while now and I absolutely love it. The picture quality is stunning (after turning all the image "enhancement" features off) and I have no worries about image retention as I only run it at 5-10% brightness (for SDR content, at least) in my dimly lit room.
How can anyone use a tv as a monitor XD I still dont get it the response time is so slow it makes me want to break my computer... why not just buy a real monitor that is better at everything than a TV for the same price I am so confused. Like there are so many good monitors out there. LCD, OLED, QDOLED anything with response time of under 1 second AW3423DW has 0.1 gray to gray and 0.3 normal. And I highly doubt any TV can match its sharpness and viewing angles either. The only thing that I am not sure is the color accuracy but its know for being near production level display (The LCDs that disney uses for 10k a piece)
As a stopgap for your dock issues with multiple windows, at least until you get that app developed... I know with the Magic Mouse, 2-finger-double-tap (which usually brings up Mission Control) on top of doc windows, brings up App Expose.
So whatever mouse button you have mapped to Mission Control, try that when mousing over the dock icon.
Divvy is great, however hasn't seen updates in a long time. I have personally moved over to Lasso, and been extremely happy with it. Best of all, it also lets you do by-pixel sizing in addition to the "grid" quick selection. Makes it great when you need to see 1:1 how something would look without scaling.
I would second this Lee. Lasso is great and with a modern UI.
Quickly googled it but didn't see it. Where do I find it?@@AlEbnereza
Thank you for recommending Lasso!
Great review mate, really appreciate how you give such an insightful Pros & Cons breakdown of how it feels in use. Noted the issues with OS, hope that App can be realised.
Optically, curved wins. The Human eyes stereoscopic view is wide in the horizontal axis vs the vertical, but at a constant focal distance. Multiple flat screens in a curved array (as per your normal setup) gives you that endless horizon workspace (and removes the OS toolbar issue), but you’ll have transition bands.
The curvature of many Large curved screens is still for a more distant audience watching media rather than seated close as a workspace, ie not curved enough.
I have an LG CX48 as my TV/monitor. At the moment it's in my living room and I sit 3m away, so it's a bit far away. Sometimes I get a beanbag chair and sit up close with my keyboard on my lap and it's fantastic. My plan is to replace it as a TV with a newer 65" and move the 48" to my spare room.
It's brilliant for driving games, like F1 or Forza when you sit up close as it fills your vision and is so immersive.
I do a similar setup, but adding 2 small 11.6" or 13.3" 1080P screens underheath tilted upwards would be even better. You can use those as auxiliary screens to put additional windows in.
42" is much better for your table IMO. Not worth going bigger unless you got a crazy deep desk or wallmount.
I have 2x 24" 1080p touchscreens underneath a 48" c3.. the touchscreens are very tilted 😁👍
@@annebokma4637 That can work very well if you have the right desk for it. It would need to be a shallow desk that you can easily look over, and the two 24s are angled up and partly below the desk level. Then the main 48 is eye level. This would be my ideal setup.
Also what's cool is that the two 24s roughly align in width and pixels to the 48. So you're essentially running 3840x3240 which is almost a square display. But this is super useful.
@@GeorgeOu and the 24"s being touch is super handy for controlling the behringer x18, atem, and anything that has sliders and buttons and such
Great video..straight to the point....direct...clear spoken...not going off topic...no long story telling....all about the tv....this is what a video like this should be....you see a thumbnail ..and when you choose the video...this is what i look for...about the product
uhm....okay.....
@@yungbaehehe
What's the problem?
You actually prefer click baity titles that have very little to no content related to some product?
Solid video. After watching, I'm considering getting a 42" LG C3 as my main monitor. I've got another 27" 4k monitor I could fit vertically next to it, but I guess because I primarily use my computer for gaming and video editing (in Resolve), which doesn't have good, customizable UI, I might be better off by having more small monitors for that use-case
I use a 42inch C2 Oled and I love it! It's amazing as a monitor. My primary use is for FS2020. I hide my menu bar to prevent screen burn. And I don't use any wallpaper.
I've been using the 55' LG C1 on my desk for the past couple of years. One of the best PC upgrades I ever made. I don't how I lived with a small 27'' (or smaller) screen for so long before.
How deep is your desk?
@@thejeremyschmit I think about 36'' front to back, so the TV is probably about 30'' from me. It's actually a table but I've used it as a desk for like a decade.
Thanks for the Divvy recommendation - life changing
I have a 48" C1, I'm still amazed. Service remotes are cheap if you find yourself needing to adjust something you can't get to normally.
LEE, possible dock fix for you... Settings > Desktop & Dock > UNCHECK minimize windows into application icon. Your multiple instances will show up on the right side of the dock.
Man Iv’e said it before but dual 42” LG C3 in concave style is a game changer. I really think you’d enjoy it. I did the 55” for 1 year prior to this & it wore me down with the general travel of my eyes and neck tilting. Tilting the 42” monitors towards you is an entirely different level of immersiveness.
Do you have a photo of this? What’s your primary use case?
Yeah can you share picture of this setup?
On Mac, you can have the windows minimize to the temp side of the dock and not minimize to dock icon. It makes it easier to open back up the window when it is in the temp/recent area of the dock. Just turn off “Minimize windows into application icon”.
Fun video btw :-) I am wondering if you were able to color calibrate it?
Ah THANK YOU!!!
My problem with this is, you have to remember to minimize a window for it to show in the dock separately.
@@swenhalverhe is clearly comfortable with keyboard shortcuts and it’s just command-m which is very easy to use/remember. Also it can be set to double lock on title bar.
@@swenhalver yea, but it’s the only option that comes stock with Mac OS. You can use stage manager, but that takes up room. Another option would be just to use the cmd + Tab, to scroll through windows.
I wish it worked a bit more like windows
I did this back in the day with a seiki 43 inch 120 hz TV. Back then, they didn't even have decent sized 4k monitors. A lot of programmers and computer enthusiasts were buying this thing for the same purpose was amazing the company didn't rebrand.
It is fun I have been using a 48in LG C1 OLED TV as a monitor for a few years now and it has been great. Still no burn-in or any other issues as of yet.
I find LG 42'C2' TV already quite big to serve as a monitor, 42-48'' is enough, 55'' is just difficult and strain on the neck or you need to sit further away (mount it on wall).
It's been amazing for me, the picture is so sharp it looks 3D. I cannot go back from goin OLED.
So much that I recently got Samsung 77'' S90C QD OLED on sale for 2200€ directly from Samsung as my main set 10 feet away for salon and it's been another big upgrade, been amazing!
Yeah i thought 42 was big too so o got 40" 4k smallest they make in 4k
I used my 4k 55in TV for 3 years or so. More often than not didn't have anything on the top of it. Mostly on bottom and centre even for games, especially for CSGO
Oled is really nice but the best image precision is still LCD. Those are just the once they use for production they go for about 10,000 USD a piece. Depending on the model. Regular LCDs are different. Resolution does not mean anything past 1440p. Unfortunately people still buy apple monitors/desktops which are a decade behind in tech of some of the newer models out there its crazy how marketing got to people haha.
@@yushkovyaroslav
You must know something we don't, last time I checked every film production in Hollywood is using Sony 30000$ OLED for mastering production.
Which came out years ago.
Nowdays TVs like A95L, S95C and G3 get really close to that mastering TV for fraction of price.
So you are most definitely not up to today with current knowlodge, not to fault of your own I don't expect people to follow tech extesnively.
But I can agree with you that for most people, LCD MiniLED will still be great enough.
I recently walked in on newest Hisense U8 65'' LED and mistoke it for OLED it was just as good.
Then if you factor in that you can get a size or even two lager MiniLED TV for same pirce.
I can see how people would go with a 85''' or 100'' MiniLED instead of 75 or 85'' OLED and it would be completetly perfect exprience on both. But you got a size larger and no burn in.
The benefit of OLED would be cosmos/universe view or any very small fragments of light like stars, look extermely bright. Meanwhile on MiniLED the stars look way dimmer (they don't even have blooming on newest models when you got above 65'').
As well way better shadow detail, while on LED it can look 5-10% more gray.
But the benfit of going miniLED would be getting that 3000-4000 nits brightness on most TV for same price.
Meanwhile med/high end OLEDs only do still 1000-2000 nits.
The SDR content in MiniLED is so much brighter as well HDR it's staggering, like you can see the picture completetly anew on MiniLED.
They also work very well in daytime, so good the brightness can kill you.
The neon and tropical collor pallet look especially great on MiniLED:
So yeah for most people I can agree with you, go for that freaking 85'' or 100'' and be blown away :=)
That is what I am recommending to my parents, their Samsung 65'' Q70R from 2020 broke down with burn in from just normal TV watching and they got money back.
The plan is to grab them a 85'' Hisense U8 for price of 65'' OLED.
I gone with 77' S90C and in 6-8 years time when I will be due an upgrade, there will be MicroLED and Phosphorescent Blue OLEDs going toe to toe in brightness of 4000 nits TVs and no burn in and probably in 100-150'' sizes.
@@yushkovyaroslav *"Oled is really nice but the best image precision is still LCD."* _What_ in the _world_ are you talking about?
*"Resolution does not mean anything past 1440p."* _What_ in the _world_ are you talking about?
Nice. Have been using a similar 55" setup since 2018 but an LG Cinema 3d TV. The splinters and particles pop out of the screen while playing the games. What's more, I also learned that two of the flop movies 'King Arthur: Legend of the Sword' and 'Point Break 2015' when watched using this setup are 3D masterpieces.
I'm using the LG OLED 42" objet 4k 120HZ TV mounted on the wall. Best PC screen I've had. I just love the sleek design with the white + grey fabric and the rounded edge in the bottom. The speakers is also awesome. Oled 4k 42" is the sweat spot at the moment.
Clown town.
The problem with TV's - they became "smart" devices. Advertising, illegal data analysis, privacy invastion. So first and foremost you have to NOT let this device sit in the network. If you really have to, it has to sit in it's own Vlan or behind strict firewall rules that block everything.
Thats Why americans die so early because They have an obsesion about safety 😂
Your data isn't safe no matter what you do. There is no such thing as privacy today
Don't be on the internet if you want to be completely safe. 😅
I have a 55” Sony Bravia that’s a Google TV, I have enabled developer mode and disabled pretty much everything including Wifi. I’ve never connected it to Ethernet or wifi, it’s now dumb!
I keep mine offline. I hook up my Mac via HDMI cable.
I use a 4k 42" Samsung OLED, and I love it. Having that much resolution makes it a lot easier when editing in Premiere.
Going on 5 years with an LG 34" 21:9 curved IPS monitor (that replaced two 27" Apple monitors side-by-side). Sure, it's "only" 3440x1400, but I still love it and don't want to replace it anytime soon.
I've been using an 65" LG C1 oled for years and I love it. I originally started out on a 47" Vizio V series 4k and tv's are the way to go for pc gaming.
I use a C9 55" for two years already as my main monitor on the desk. Definitely going to replace with another OLED when the tech advances enough to worth it (more brightness, better colors, etc.)
I got Aorus FO48U 48" and I've been using it for almost a year. Couple of thoughts:
- 4k at 48" looks alright at around 1 m from the display, but sitting anywhere closer and you start seeing pixels/start losing the sharpness in fonts - wonder how much this improves in 8k,
- 1440p even close still looks very good in most games and difference between 4k is not really worth the lower fps/more expensive PC setup,
- OLED anti-burn in "features" can be quite distracting like aggressive dimming etc. - still, OLED's image quality is totally worth it,
- 48" is big and small at the same time - it's big enough to take almost all of the space on my desk but I still think that 55" or even bigger would be more comfortable for me,
- I haven't noticed any distortion due to the large size of the display,
- TVs are heavy and good luck finding desk VESA arm that'll hold almost 15 kg,
- connected with the weight are stability issues - it's a lot of weight in vertical position and it sometimes can slightly rock forward-backward when you live close to the sources of heavy vibrations (kids :), road with often heavy equipment etc.),
Ive been rocking the 42" C2 for about 2 months now after using a 42" 1080p for almost a decade. Ive built 3 new PCs since I started using the 1080p and the C2 is the best upgrade Ive made in that last decade.
I do the same on the 48 inch oled from LG. It's awesome for post production. A year ago I started also with mac, but a half year later I switched to windows and Linux in vm's it made it possible to build my own much better apps for organizing my desired work flow.
Very interesting. I just recently got a new monitor and went the conservative route with an "old tech" BenQ monitor. But obviously OLED has way better contrast. I'll be waiting for dedicated graphics monitors, since the TV size is way too much for me and honestly I would be bothered by the big pixels. Lee, do you mind the glossy surface at all?
I'm currently using a 58" Samsung I was gifted a few months back and I have no real issues with it only being 4k. One of the things I think doesn't get mentioned all that much with displays is the gaps between pixels. I used a Vizio tv for a bit and despite being the same 4k resolution it had a noticeably lower quality image than the Samsung because there was visible gaps between pixels.
yeah it is not surprising that you have no issues with it being 4K since 4K on such a big screen is basically like 1080p on a desktop monitor, which is ABSOLUTELY fine. The dude in the vid is simply spoiled as hell from using 4K on desktop monitors for some time, which is absolutely not needed at all and only gimps your gpu performance...
I have a similar setup, but taken to the extreme; I use a 55" Hisense 4k120 as my main display, and then two 50" 4k60 as sides. These are angled more towards my eye. I use this setup for Truck Simulator. When I work from home, I solely use the main screen. Even then, it can strain a bit to see the upper corners, so my less important windows go there. It's quite the change going from my 55" at home to my two 4k 28" monitors at work, though. I have my screen mounted to the wall, so the distance from my eye isn't too much different than yours.
So thankful I found your video, the difference is I will be buying a 65" vs the 55" because I not only play regular video games but RTS and RPG that have a lot of reading as well; also I use it as a main monitor vs my LG 4k monitor that I also have to my right. But, I have another desk in front of my main desk of 22" , so add another 28" and it sits at the back of that. So, from my viewing chair to the screen is 5'. When I watch movies I just recline in my Secret Labs chair. I have been using 1080p ever since it was the best new thing, I am getting ready to upgrade this week along with a new computer. Thanks for the video. From Vizio 1080p 55" (had for over 10 years) to LG 65" C3 OLED
Was in your boat about 6 months ago. Got the C2 55 and 48. 55 ended up being my Lounge TV - Too big for my focus as a PC monitor. 48 is still my Monitor. Never ditched the existing monitors either. Put em on the side. Best of both worlds. Combine that with DisplayFusion and Fancy Zones (Win) apps. There's no better setup.
The chrome dock issue you mentioned can be fixed easily by going to settings > Desktop and Dock > toggle off the "Minimise windows into application icon". Afte that you should be able to see all app windows that you minimise, in the dock as a separate app. Hope I got the problem right. Good luck.
Seems like he missed that comment. Great tip!!
@Fstoppers on macOS in the "Desktop & Dock" System Settings you can turn off the "Minimize windows into application icon" setting and this will then place your minimized windows on the right hand side of the dock. Then you can click on them there to bring them back up.
I use dual 43" 4K LG LED based TV's. They work great together and can be angled in. I stayed away from OLED and burn in issues with constant tool bars etc. My new ones will be microLED based TV's as well down the road when one of these breaks. They are color corrected and matched with Spyder system. 👍🤠
The number one thing that has annoyed me about windows after a lifetime with OSX, is the lack of persistent menu bar. So many apps bug out and just don't have a menu or it's decided to hide itself. This is ironically the equivalent of iOS's lack of system wide back button/gesture.
Q1 2024 is when the monitor space will get quite spicy. I rock an lgc1 arm…. But oh man am I excited for the 4k 32in 240hz glossy OLEDs coming!!
Yes, I love LG’s OLED TVs. I use their 48 inch as my main monitor at home, it’s great for gaming and all work related to tasks.
The fix for the multiple instances for the same program is a program called Alt-tab. Works just like alt-tab in windows and is amazing for this fix.
I came here to make this same comment and was relieved when someone already had. As someone who moved from windows to Mac in their 30s, alt tab was a lifesaver
Or dashboard
I've been using 2 50" tv's as monitors for the past 10+ years at this point. There is nothing wrong with using quality tv's as monitors. Typically they're a cheaper alternative, just make sure that the inputs of the tv have the correct specs to achieve whatever their advertised resolution and refresh rates are. For example a tv with only HDMI 2.0 will not do 8k resolution. However HDMI 2.1 will do up to 10k @ 120hz.
Tvs don't have high DPI which is bad for production and pc workloads. You need high DPI for production. Tvs are for consumption
@@yourbossdonpelyYou don't know what you're talking about. A 50" 4k (3840x2160) has a PPI of 88.12. At the same time a 28" 1080p (1920x1080) only has a PPI of 78.68. Leaving the 50" tv in this example having 10 more pixels per inch.
The only downside to quality tv's over an expensive monitor MIGHT be the G-T-G timing.
Sure there are super expensive monitors that you can have 4k @ 240hz at 32" but, I'm going to tell you that 4k @ 32" is way to small unless you upscale everything so you can actually read it. BTW, that 32" monitor, 1500$, for 1500$ you can buy a 65" 8k @ 120hz miniLED tv, that has the identical PPI of the 32" monitor of ~138.
The most important thing for production is color reproduction and accuracy.
Long story short, pay attention to the specs, their inputs accepted to see if they can even achieve advertised specs and find something that works best for your situation.
I used a LG C1 as a primary monitor for my m1 max mac studio. Picture quality rivals OLED commercial reference monitors. I would recommend simply downsizing to a 48” LG. You can find these on sale toward year end at great prices.
I switched to a 48inch LG C1 and have never looked back, its literally the best monitor I've ever used, switching to a lower size is really noticeable to me now, I think 55inch is waaay to big I think at 48 or 42 is the sweet spot for having an OLED TV as a computer monitor.
I've been doing that since 2018 I think. The tv is mounted on the wall with a big desk right under. It stays between 3 and 4 feet away and it helped me quite a bit with eye fatigue... For gaming I think size beats density especially at 4k, it's much easier to see small details when this close from a big tv... And for gaming I think 8k is a waste unless people have a 70 inch display or something ridiculous like that...
I’m an ergonomist and you’re exactly right about the whole vision issue. You’re also going to be twisting your neck both laterally and vertically a lot more which isn’t ideal. Looks like a fun setup though. Curious to see how well the Apple vision pro works for large monitors since you won’t need to change your neck position.
I would put the screen further away and use scaling between 150-200% 👍
I mean TVs are not monitors. They have terrible viewing angles if you are right next to them. They have terrible response time. They dont work well with proper graphics cards (I am not talking about the decade old apple graphics that cant even compete with NVIDIA 1090s) Like if you always used apple and just regular 4k monitors/Apple monitors I can see how one can see it as an upgrade but that is not the current tech by any stretch of the imagination for PC world.
Also there is a proper software to do what he is trying to do, to actually make it 4 different monitors not just a split screen.
@yushkovyaroslav If you watched the video, he clearly stated that OLED viewing angle is not an issue. I can confirm that myself. And also the fact that with LG OLEDs, input lag is not an issue either. I think the idea was not about TVs, more about the new OLED TV tech we have now.
@@anssilepikko Yeah, they are still way worse than real monitors XD. Which are also available for OLED. Not to say big studios still use LCDs because LCD is still better color accuracy, it all depends on the display. Thiers cost starting from like 5k. Dont compare real monitors to regular 4k monitors or apple monitors those are complete trash. Not to mention they have tech that works better with Nvidia cards that are also ages ahead of apple cards. And those monitors are build to work with them. But if you dont care about quality and all you do is photoshop and some basic splicing for videos then I guess its whatever. Its more for like real animation work, cgi and game development.
Also I dont know why is mentioning he is returning it because of how it works with displays looking like singular monitor, well no shit sherlock all you did was enable split screen there is real software that make it actually 2 different monitors. Split screen does not configure your "monitor" properly.
So Idk... clearly this is not a tech channel XD
Oh not mention the refresh rate is abysmal. I mean Ive seen laptops with quadruple the refresh rate. Ok fine if you are not playing/making games then maybe that one is not that important.
But recommending people to buy this over a real OLED monitor, while failing to mention all of these draw backs. Its kind of clownlike lol.
Like ask yourself why no self-respecting dev, animator, cgi artist uses setups like this.
Because these are not real monitors, those are TV's for Netflix XD.
Apple monitors are trash? They're known for creating some of the best (and most expensive) colour accurate monitors on the planet - the Pro Display XDR is very, very good. They're preferred by lots of different post production professionals - from photographers to editors and animators. Of course if you're a professional colourist you're probably going to have to swing for a Sony broadcast display like the new Sony BVM-HX3110. But you might want to mortgage your house because it's going to be over $25K (that's where it's predecessor started). There's really only 3 names - Sony, Eizo and Apple.
I've been using the LG C1 with Ergotron HX mount. Love it!
I also have done it, but I suggest to place it lower and farther then what you showed: bending the neck for long time can cause you real issues, and the more you can get in your cone of vision the better it is. A desk around 40in deep is a good starting point
Curved screen would help for corner viewing
i have the 55 inch screen that you wanted. also had a 55 inch 4k before and the difference in resolution is huge. maybe if you use the tv as a regular tv, you wont notice the difference. but using this as a screen you sit very close to it and the difference is amazing
Any Issues with that Samsung? Viewing Angles? Auto wake? Color accuracy?
oh and also wished it was curved just a slight bit nothing crazy and it would perfect
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@@FStoppers the tv have pc mode where the colors are more accurate. i still have a oled on the side when i do video edit (but i do like less than 1 a month). auto wake is non existant. after 10 mins it turns off and you have to use the remove to turn it on again.
6 month ago I moved from dual monitor setup to 55 inch Sony TV. There are some inconveniences but the amount of space and freedom you get, makes it impossible to go small again.
I have an older LG 55" 4K OLED I use as my gaming monitor. Looks gorgeous...........................but I have the Fallout 3 HUD permanently burnt into the panel now, lol. It's only a mild burn-in, but visible when displaying blue colors. I've used it as a Desktop monitor, and it's crazy the amount of neck moving I have to do.
For day to day, Word, surfing, I found a cheap RCA 42" 4K LCD is doing me just fine. Does not look as good, a bit more washed out for sure, but I don't have to worry about how long I have it on, or what's displaying on it, etc etc, and I don't have to be twisting my head into a pretzel all the time.
Maybe a QLED 42" would be a phenomenal experience?
I have been running dual 32" 4k monitors for a few years and people think I am nuts for wanting a larger screen, but at my age and having to wear readers, I want the type larger and have been trying to decide if I should add a 3rd monitor or go for a 55" tv. On my 32" monitors I have the scaling set to 125%.
Go for a 3rd screen
You can just open one specific chrome window by right clicking on the chrome icon and then clicking on the window you want. It's an extra click as compared to windows, but at least the functionality is there.
Always the answer is oh just an extra few klick or a bunch of extra klick rxactly this is why i say it is anoying...just so unpractikal
Lee, I have my top right hot corner set to do I think what you want. In preferences go to Desktop & Screensaver, then Hot Corners. I've set top left to be "Mission Control", so when i put my cursor into the top left corner I see all windows open......even the separate windows for e.g. Firefox if I have multiple Firefox windows open.
Since last 3 years I am on 55" LG OLED set in my studio as my main monitor . This is the best setup I ever had . Absolutely great for photo & video edition . Skeptical at first but I absolutely love it !
I think the 42" OLED would tip you over with the pixel density and the eye strain to the corners. I have the older 1080 55 OLED and I am using it from time to time as a monitor. And yes, you cant beat the picture quality. Maybe two 4K 32" high quality OLEDs would serve you perfect too? Best luck!
How can you people use TVs as monitors the response time is soooooooooo slow lmao.
I mean there are a few oled monitors that are probably sharper than TVs but less vibrant I guess but common TVs are not monitors for a reason haha.
I guess MACs are not real computers either but people buy them, so people do some dumb shit out there for no reason, eh to each their own? I guess...
@@yushkovyaroslav you just guess and we calibrate and use…and that the difference😎Enjoy what you have✌️
@@yushkovyaroslavlol he said “not real computers”. Why? Cuz they have a stable OS that helps you forget you’re using a computer? I have yet to encounter a windows machine that doesn’t make me want to throw it through the window.
@@mootsym no because they are slow as shit... what problems did you have with windows? You are probably either very bad or very low end user If you have issues with windows desktops or you think that apple hardware is sufficient. It's ok a lot of people are low ends and apple preys on these people that don't understand what they are doing computer related.
You also dont have to use windows if you dont like it by some reason.
The main issue is that apple hardware is not just years behind but perhaps decades when it comes to high end programs.
So when you buy an apple made computer your really buying a mobile phone roleplaying as a laptop/desktop that cant crack above 10 fps running as a sim server on any decent developer platform. (Where are our windows machines run the same programs loads at 60 tick rate and 200 fps native) as for rendering 3D scenes, if it takes apple desktop 10 minutes to do it, it takes around 30-60 seconds for nvidia rendering cards to do it.
Only reason they are "stable" which by the way not even true... I can easily break their OS by going outside of basic use parameters. But it's also because they cant do anything outside of generic use. And is a very close system that is completely useless unless you plan to use your computer for basic photoshop and social media all day long.
Their OS in short terms is very small and closed environment Hence maybe that's why it might have "less issues" but again if you have issues with other os is because you have 0 idea how computers work.
But even if windows has "issues" no one in professional field or anyone who has any idea what they are buying would choose apple chip over Intel top end chips or nvidia 4090/quadro cards. (Or amd for servers) The difference is just night and day. I mean even 7-10 year old chips assembled properly gave more performance than top end apple chips of 2022. So there really aren't any options there since they are not allowing most of their devices to work with these chips. (No wonder no one would buy their trash then haha) considering they got 4x less cuda cores and non existent slow video memory so you can never get modern video performance or do any proper rendering.
Well gl to you mate and whatever you are using your newly acquired bulky mobile phone for!
But If you ever want a real computer just assemble your own high end pc with proper components and cooling and it will be faster than anything apple you can buy for next 10 years.
And if you hate windows, run linux.
@@yushkovyaroslav .. i think you need to be awakened to the M series of chips. They ain't slow lol.
I’m using a 65” Samsung 8K QN900B as my monitor and I regret NOTHING. The TV is gorgeous, very OLED like. The 8K is fantastic, and YES, you can see the resolution difference when using it as a monitor. I’m very picky about seeing pixels. 8K at 65” has a PPI of 136…high enough for nearly invisible pixels at 12 inches or greater viewing distance. That's even higher than a 42" 4K TV which as a PPI of only 105.
Also it has a standard subpixel structure…essential for clear text without annoying color fringing when using a TV as a Monitor. Haven't seen an OLED yet, even the ones marketed as PC Monitors, that use a standard subpixel structure.
Only if your computer definition is also 8K of course otherwise having a 8K monitor won't change anything. To have a good definition in 8K for a monitor, I wouldn't go over 60", more and you would start to see the pixels, if you use it as you use a computer and not as a TV, and so it would be better if it is curved too.
@@YannR34 True. I'm using a 4090 to power it.
I have an 55" 4K OLED (LG OLED55B7A). The fringing on fine colored text is a result of insufficient signal throughput (4:2:0).
I verified that with enough color information it completely disappears and text looks perfect (And that's at a 24" viewing distance). Because of HDMI 2.0 I had to drop to 30 Hz to test it, but I did verify the concept.
I bought one of the first affordable 55" 4k Sony Bravia for my monitor when it was first available many years ago. Best thing I ever bought.
Nice review and lots of good info and points. 1 question, What about a curved display? or would that add more issues with distance?
Keep up the good work.
The main problem with oled tvs for monitors is once you turn off the dimming, blurring safety features it will suffer from burn-in really fast (if you don't turn them off it will drive you nuts). I don't use mine as a PC much and only ever to watch movies (not things that stay in the same place). I also haven't turned the safety features off and even when I'm super careful with mine I saw evidence of burn in after just 2 years!
with the 65" you'd have room for your primary focus window to be large & in charge in the center and still have space on each side for sizeable secondary focus, then arrange smaller tertiary focus windows in whatever is left. I vote go for the 65" 8k and get us a followup video asap
I may have to do this
Thx for the DIVVY recommendation. Been using the LED tv since it has a DVI adapter over a decade ago. Not sure what you would use the DVI adapter in the LEDs tv if it's not being used as a computer monitor. Now I use the HDMI plugin since DVI's been discontinued on most LED TVs. LGs are good andother manufacturers like HiSense since they're using LG screen&controller parts. I feel better with a 37" and 42" screen size over a meter away from it and had to resize my icons&fonts to larger size. If you're getting HiSense tv, get a reliable extended warranty knowing that most mid end LED tvs typically last over some yrs before it burns out or has other screen issues.
hell yeah been using a 42 inch tv for a year and just upgraded to a 48 inch lg oled. Absolute perfection.
Been an ultrawide user before but the extra hight is just premium
The 48 in LG C10, on a desk that is 36 in has been the ("best-ever") setup for me. Gamer, and no burn-in after the 3years I have owned it.
I use a 43" Samsung 4k and 43" LG 4k in a dual monitor setup for my Mac Studio M2 Max. It works great and is amazing for my needs. I'm not doing graphic design or anything that would require color accuracy. It's perfect for mixing and producing music.
My 2 cents - Thanks for sharing - Cheers
One of the most powerful tools in Mac OS is Spaces. Set up any combination of applications in any size and location on the screen... then just Control (right or left) Arrow to switch between them.
Let's talk about the pixel density *sweet spot*. Usually screens came in 96 to 101 dpi, e-readers at 160 dpi, and mobile phones at sth. like 200+. For font rendering, I find 160 to 165 dpi just perfect; you can have that as 4K+ screen in 27-28 inches.
Tbh I wouldn’t touch anything under 200 if you’re going to be reading a lot of text. It’s painful
I think this is personal preference. I find 32" 4k to be great for 100% scaling. For 8k I think a 40" size would be perfect (220) that would give the "retina" level where people can't see the individual pixels.
@@chidorirasenganz curious what monitor you use that is over 200? I know of only a few and they are all over $2200.
@@deanwilliams433 I use a studio display and prior to that I used an iMac
@@deanwilliams433 You're right in that, given the same resolution, a larger screen can be further away to achieve a desired pixel/view_angle density. Though it has drawbacks such as fall in apparent brightness, and the entire furniture logistics which might not be possible in an office.
I think you already know the solution to your problem. You just need to go buy a second TV and angle them both towards you. The experience will be breathe taking compared to your 4k monitors. Some would suggest well this defeats the purpose of having the larger screen, but the larger screen was never his issue, it was the distance of the tv screen to his eyes. Fix the issue with a second TV and I bet the monitors collect dust.
Two 42" 4k are working great, I have another station with two 50" 4k but I would recommend staying at 42" or no greater than 50" max...also heavy duty dual monitor gas spring mounts but you will probably need the Vesa adapters. Set for dark mode otherwise too bright and even with two 42" you will sit back from them but no where near as bad as 55".
I when through the same process many years ago. Ended up with dual 55" Samsung 4K TV's I picked the TV's up from Costco brand new back in early 2017. I run the monitors at 1080p to avoid eye strain. Plus my gaming machine was built around the same time (late 2017) and does not really do 4K gaming well. It has no issues with 1080P gaming. My desk with a 49" G9 Ultrawide just feels cramped compared to the TV's. This is with the ultrawide running at a higher resolution (1440p). If I could do things again, I would have gone with dual 65" TV's. 😃
The lack of HDMI 2.1 in the older Samsung 55" 8k is what stopped me getting one. It's a shame they no longer make 55" 8k. I've been on a 4k AMH A399U since Level1Techs did a review in ~2015. Multi-monitor sucks. I need more physical pixels, 8k it is. Please review the Samsung 65" 8k as there are no reviews as monitors for these panels.
With how ui works on a computer I wouldn't expect any OLED to last more than a few years without significant burn-in
I have been using an LG OLED since 2016 as a monitor it has been on pretty much every waked hour. With zero burn in it has only gotten better and more even. It works great just do not be stup id. Do not run it at max OLED light until you need it to watch HDR movies for example, and use basic burn in mitigation strategies like screen savers and such and you will be fine. Also do not let sunlight reach the screen UV light kills the screen or wall hang it heat also kills the screen.
yepp tv are the best
in ur case for ur kinda work u need a calibrator to fix ur colors
u do need to sit farther back to appreacate it more
since it so big a wall mount helps alot and make it easy to position it
i use 2 55inch 4k tvs and u get so much done
I went with a 48in LG Oled for pc and has been the best experience I have ever had. It has a true 120hz refresh as well as HDR. And at the end of the day I can watch my favorite shows and movies from the built in apps.
I have own shop, and I hate people returning staff. The guy in Bestbuy, should refuse the refund. You making him trouble, only you could make your biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiig video.
No its not, sry you are wrong
Are you going to elaborate on your opinion?
“Trust me bro” isn’t a credible source.
This is for 12.7 Monterey still running intel mac. Don't know if it has changed.
As a tip for your Program Problem, you can make use of Mission Control/application window and set up hotkeys. For example, select the App with cmd + tab and then use ctrl + downarrow to open application window. Then you get a preview of all open and minimized windows of this program. Then you can use mouse or arrow keys+enter to open it.