Great scene from one of our favourite movies. We're in no way affiliated with anyone that had anything to do with this movie, we just love the message.
@@scottscotty2178 -in matters of taste. The customer is always right in matters of taste. Lot of people think that paraphrasing gives them carte-blanche to be an asshole to service workers.
Interesting sidenote: Fuson's departure didn't go anything like this in real life; he left for an assistant GM job with Texas. He was totally philosophical about how he was portrayed in the movie. His wife was mad about it, but he just told her, "we don't control Hollywood." He actually enjoyed the movie himself.
But did Fuson go to the media after the departure and slam Billy in real life though? A lot of stuff that goes on behind the scenes we don’t know about and maybe never will.
That's what they say NOW. But if you're not new to the sports industry, you'll know that practically EVERYONE is all rosy and nice when talking about one another in front of the media in sports. Both would say he left voluntarily just like they claimed in the media that Harbaugh left the 49ers on good terms even though we've since learned him and the GM John Lynch got into HEATED fights, sometimes physical, over mostly differing opinions (Lynch prioritized monetization while Harbaugh's goal was to win) and eventually weren't to be alone in a room together. Point being, of course these guys aren't going to come out and say that they or someone else were an asshole or wrong about Moneyball.
Exactly and seriously doubt Art Howe said any of the things he did in the movie. He seemed pretty laid back in real life and probably agreed with a lot of what Billy was implementing.
Left out the part where Billy walks into the next room and says "Hey you, you every played baseball?" "Uh, not really, I mean um I played tee ball when--" "Congratulations, you're the new head scout."
@@cynicalpsycho5574 how is it a dumb scene? the point was to show he was looking for someone who would look at the stats and not be biased by pre existing experience about how baseball "should look".
He manages to exude anger, aggression, even violence without being over the top and losing his sh** or even raising his voice. This scene is incredibe.
This is so true for everything in life. People almost never learn or change. The longer they have been making the same mistake, the harder it is for them to ever stop. "Adapt or die indeed". Most people just stick around until they die.
None of this is true. Grady Fuson left because he got a better job with another team. The Texas Rangers offered him a deal to be Assistant GM. Part of the deal was, if the GM left while Fuson was Assistant GM, then he would move up and become the GM. No Scout would ever talk to a GM like this.
@@chrisconley8583 While true, this role was more just an avatar for the old school way of thinking. The reality is nobody who doesn't watch baseball would remember his name after they finished the movie. It really didn't matter what his name was, just what the character represented.
It's a wonderful movie even if you dont know baseball. This team started it all and now every sports team does some version of this. Most average football clubs in Europe do this too, to make a good team they can afford.
@@cormac2515 four world cups and two euros! Who are you?
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As a humble manager, I recognize something that some might not notice here and it's a great strategic / tactical point used by Brad's character. He has the conversation in 'private', but he knows it's front of the coach played by Seymour Hofman. Only later in my management years did I realize the intent of this. This is brilliant and accurate. You want testimony to your conversation without requesting their obligation and liability.
I think it may have been Grady's idea. You can see him glance in at Art and make sure he's there to hear it because at this point Grady just wants the ship to go down. Billy noticed.
That MLB put so little importance on OBP for so many years is remarkable. If a guy hits .240 but gets on base 37% of the time, he has value. Bill James was right in so many ways. The only times a low OBP can be tolerated is if the player hits for power and drives in runs, or if they’re a defensive specialist.
One of the jokes I always made about baseball is that it's a sport that gives you three chances to do something that even great players can only do 30% of the time. At least this guy found a way to squeeze some extra percentage points out of that number.
It's because when statistical recording was becoming a thing in baseball in the 19th century, walks were considered an error on the pitcher, not credited to the batter. Then, for a hundred years, walks were discounted. Its pretty amazing the influence of history on something so fundamentally basic.
Indeed. David Ortiz had a batting average of about .286, which is decent but nothing spectacular. However, he had an OBP of nearly 40%, is in the top 20 for most home runs in a career, and is widely regarded as one of the greatest designated hitters of all time. Sometimes, how often you hit the ball isn't nearly as important as what HAPPENS when you do hit it :)
This is my fav scene from the whole movie, you don’t know, really hit hard. And he is so right, you can’t predict someone’s future based on what you think of them today, people are so set on assumptions that they never look at reality.
I loved how they're watching film on Youkilis, Jonah Hill says he's a "wait and see", Billy talks to and fires Fuson, hires the kid playing videogames, and comes back and says "So Youk's a wait and see" all nonchalant, lol!
"I'm not gonna fire you". I like that. It's just the two of them and he asked to speak candidly. Then, the guy goes off the rails lol. As another commenter - Cisium - says, this isn't how it went down in real life. But I really like the scene.
He was clearly trying to intimidate Billy...but in fact he was super fearful of being kicked out of his job ever since Pete appeared in the picture. He thinks he is older and intimidating but Billy stuck with his plan. Great scene
This never happened, so there is no fact to your “in fact”. According to Beane, the real guy, and anyone with any knowledge of how or why he left the A’s at that time, he left because he got higher up job with better money with another baseball club. No scout would ever talk to the GM like this.
@@chrisconley8583 He's obviously referring the movie character himself and not the actual person. He's explaining the underlying feelings and motives of the movie character. You don't have to be that "ACKTUALLY" guy.
@@chrisconley8583 Did it occur to you that that he's referring to the MOVIE that this scene is from? You've really impressed us with your knowledge though.
@@chrisconley8583 No one, and i mean NO ONE, said the movie was fact. Do I need to repeat what the other people said that he’s referring to the CHARACTER and NOT the Real Person?
The old guard isn't failing. The scouts helped build the team. The pitching, most of the hitters, came up through the draft. Not the scouts fault the Owner is too cheap to keep anyone.
I get what you are trying to say but these guys were not actively failing. This team won 102 games the year before using players these guys helped find.
I know right. It's like the old guard trying to convince and brainwash kids that socialism is a good thing so they can get all the money and the power back.
Billy was smart to not fire him until when he did. Up until that point, Grady was covered under the auspices of doing his job, which was to advise the GM. Billy didn't fire him for that. He waited until Grady laid hands on him and said "Fuck you," which is when he crossed over into insubordination and (potentially) assault. Before that, he could potentially have sued for wrongful termination. Just small details in the movie of how much of a cool, calm, analytical thinker Billy is. Almost like he set Grady up so he could get rid of him without the headache.
Stupidest shit I’ve heard. Wrongful termination is if you get fired for your age, sex, whistleblowing, etc. Billy could have fired Grady at any point before Grady put his hands on him
I've coached baseball for years. We even have a draft at the beginning of the year and we use last year's players and new players to ballence out each team. It is about the numbers and forecasting that players potential. When I did coach there was never a year when we lost the playoffs or tournaments and it was all about stats and numbers. I stopped when my children stopped, but I remember sitting with my assistant coach on the bench for hours with a book and pen going over and over the numbers and that's what made our team unstoppable. When my sons have children I will definitely entertain the idea for coaching. Success starts from the top!!
A powerful scene because it is quite clear that some of the scouts were very resistant to change. Billy knew the financial situation, and knew he needed to take a different approach in order to reach some type of success.
Except this scene isn't historically accurate and not at all what actually happened. The Oakland A's scouting department were all on board with what Beane was doing. And in fact, it was because of that scouting department that allowed Oakland to have the season they did that year. They were led by the guys they scouted and developed.
Waow thanks for litteraly pointing out what people in the movie litteraly said. Thanks for your creative analysis by repeating almost the same words used in the movie.
There's a small club in the English soccer Premier League called Brighton that is using the Moneyball method very successfully. They are currently 7th out of 20, despite spending a fraction of what the big clubs spend. They buy young players cheap and then sell them for tens of millions of pounds. They lose a coach to the big teams and then replace him with somebody better. They also play attractive attacking soccer, when traditionally the smaller clubs that found success played very physical, defensive, pragmatic soccer.
Billy walks down the hall, finds some guy in a room playing video games that used to play teeball, hires him new head scout, goes back to video about Kevin Youkilis as if nothing happened.
This scene is such a microcosm of real life. In every industry It’s always the old entrenched birds that are resistant to adaptation. Meanwhile technology marches on.
When Pasteur (in France) proved the existence of bacteria and they were diseases, it was then taught in medical schools. But almost all the working doctors laughed at him; they "knew" better. Amputations, whatever, maybe they washed their hands, usually not. Read an article about this that said a "they just had to wait for the old doctors to die out." Keep this in mind when reading history. When any enormous scientific advance is made, it almost always takes a generation or two to put it into effect. It's one reason why it's been about 60 years since Armstrong stepped onto the moon and we're only now going back in a big way.
What's most aggravating about Grady's stance is how it hasn't gotten the team anywhere. He says Billy's theory will fail, the team will lose. They've ALREADY been failing, losing. They were already the "last dog at the bowl", likely to be sold or dissolved completely. Yet Grady digs his heels in and assumes that they traditional methods of scouting will save the day. Well then, what's the hold up?
"Adapting" is what killed Baseball. It's nothing more than a analytics soaked mess. That's less popular than ever. Starting pitchers don't go pass 5 innings. A defensive shift on every hitter. Which makes no difference anyway because Everything is a Walk, Strikeout or Homerun. Baseball is pathetic! MLB thinks Expanded playoffs, more inner-league play and a Universal DH will save the day. LOL! Traditional Baseball from the 70's and 80's was a Million times better Product. Within a few more years Baseball will be as irrelevant as NASCAR and the WNBA. Soccer & UFC has already overtaken it in the USA. Right now, Baseball is in 5th place, tied with the NHL.
I mean the game has always been the same. Some of the most celebrated players in the history of the sport have a high on-base percentage like Ted Williams, Babe Ruth, Rod Carew, and Mickey Mantle. Players who don't get on base aren't exactly exciting to watch either unless you really love seeing strikeouts, pop flys, or ground outs. It's a competitive sport so naturally people will want to win.
Except not really, they were already breaking all of the rules. The season before, they won 102 games, albeit, yes, with a star lineup. What this film fails to address is that a lot of the winning in both seasons were also helped by a great pitching rotation. Like you could've easily created a movie about how they won 102 games in the season of the opening scene, but then again, that wouldn't be worth of a multimillion dollar film, huh?
I love how he defended Pete this entire movie, whether it happened this way or not, it would be amazing to work for a GM like that. Sometimes you can get too comfortable in old ways. This system changed baseball forever. Now it’s a stats game, not just best players hoping to mesh
love how he fails to address the larger issues. Most notably the issue that brought them into this situation: money. Baseball the way he's used to it requires the players that people valued. Which were also the players that cost millions of dollars a year. Millions of dollars a year that their owner refused to let them spend. So the question is, how do you put together a talented game winning team on a budget? Pete gave him a way to do that, none of his talent scouts could, they kept going on and on about all the big name players they couldn't afford, like talking about them was gonna somehow magically make them more affordable.
Spoiler alert: Billy didn’t fail or get fired, and was subsequently offered one of the most prestigious clubs in Major League Baseball to manage. But Fate didn’t want the Curse of the Bambino to last much longer so he turned it down.
That's kind of what happens when you're a liability to your team and said team is in the middle of a playoff push in a division that included the eventual WS champs and another team that had won 116 games the season before
Billy grabbed on to the Money Ball theory faster than Luke Skywalker did with the Force. Went from never hearing of it to being born again in nothing flat. At least it’s portrayed that way in both movies.
Ken Medlock was phenomenal in this movie. Him and the other old timers is some of the best dialogue acting filmed. He stole his scenes with Pitt, from Pitt.
The time frame for this movie is late 2001 into 2002. Google went public in 2004. Dicks Sporting Goods didn't open their 1st store in California until 2008. The "Google Boy" reference as well as Dicks Sporting Goods would have been highly unlikely back in 2001-2002.
in this movie and irl Billy does have respect for scouts. that's the point of this scene. the scout is acting out of a mindset of stability and power and using it as his lynchpin to try and intimidate and sway back to the way his job was. what it really comes off as is insecurity, and Billy not only reads it, but calls him on it. fact of the matter, he's using an econ major from Yale to run moneyball and act as a scout. what i assume you ACTUALLY like is quick witted dialogue and acting that is presented when someone using power to mask insecurity is called on their bullshit.
Beane in this scene could have explained things better, but he chose not to, since he has no obligations to do that. Still, I will explain -- everyone there, even the scouts, knew that As would lose if they kept going with what they've done, simply because As didn't have enough money. And that means you had to use different methods to stand a chance. Sure, it can result in loss too, but that was already given with the current methods. If you're going to lose either way, then it's better to go with the experimental route. That's how progress is made.
It isn't really intangibles though. It's guessing who can develop into a good player when they're scouting them in their teenage years, but it's just that, guesswork. Like Beane said in the clip, you can't look into a crystal ball and know the future of a kid and if they're the next coming of Babe Ruth or a dud. Players can fail to impress in the sport for a lot more reasons than they can succeed.
Have you watched baseball lately? It's a totally different game from what it was 10-20 years ago. Batting averages don't matter. Striking out doesn't matter.
The funny thing is in the Moneyball book, it spends a lot of time going over who they're going to draft that year and while the sabremetrics is naturally applied to a great deal of it, the big prize for Beane was actually a guy him and the scouts were in complete agreement on, Nick Swisher
The entire time this scout tries to plead his case, all I can think about is the dude in the room zero productive feedback on any prospect other than how they look..."he passes the eye candy test, he has a cute girl friend, etc".
I've been in Billy's shoes. Breaking down a program and rebuilding no easy task. Some get it, some you can get rid of. Finally, the fixtures find somewhere else to go.
I love how the guys that drafted and developed guys like Giambi, Tejada, Chavez, Mulder, Hudson, Zito, Dye we’re made to look like morons in the movie.
And for every one of those that make it to the majors, nine players in the minors do not. Billy is exactly right: they DON'T know. And it's not just baseball. Studios turned down Star Wars. Publishers turned down Harry Potter. The list is endless in all kinds of fields. The "experts" aren't.
@@royrowland5763 they are *and* aren't. A publishing staffer who happened across The Hobbit correctly realised it would be a hit, and the same publisher correctly told Tolkien to split Lord of the Rings into three parts to make it more accessible. Disney took a win-or-die risk when it created the first feature-length animated film (Snow White). Expertise is a useful thing, fetishising it isn't. And a further note: Billy isn't refusing to listen to an expert here, he's choosing which one to listen to.
Fuson actually had some fair points, particularly that it's not all numbers - there are intangibles too. But he f'ed his whole argument up by getting personal about things.
The problem is the most important intangibles aren't something these guys can see from watching a high school game. Look at Yadi Molina - great catcher, especially defensively, sure, Hell he's top 15 in Defensive War. But the thing that makes him great - the thing that's going to get him honored at Busch Stadium, if not in the HOF, is his ability to manage a pitcher and lead the team in general (The Cardinals haven't had official Captains since the 40s but everyone knows Yadi is the unofficial captain of the team and has been for years.) But the thing is that wasn't something that the scouts can go look for and find in the player. They have to be drilled into and trained into a player, AND the player just has to have a good natural baseball sense about them - and you can't always, or even mostly, see that in a person just from watching them play.
I like a hybrid of feel and analytics. Can't rely on this stuff too much. Glad they're doing away with this awful shift too and I won't miss it ✌🏽. Great fielders can cover the ground to make a play and many times get an out. If you can't then maybe the hitter deserves a hit for doing what Wee Willie Keeler advised and hitting it where they ain't 🤷🏽♂️
They are both right. You cannot build a team purely on analytics. There’s things like chemistry, learning how to follow instructions, learning what the opposing team is going to do. But, scouts can miss and get things wrong on a kid and set him up with false expectations about their careers…
They didn't win. And the game is EXACTLY OPPOSITE of what is shown in this movie. A guy that gets on base? Wouldn't even make AAA minor leagues anymore. If you don't home run or strikeout these days, you are no good.
0:54 Metroman: ok I luv how Metroman said his line so calmly and not so furiously I mean kudos to Metroman 👏👏 1:16 Metroman: adapt or die *claps hands and puts hands behind his back* LOL the clap made me laugh and I always say that like Metroman in real life lol 🤣🤣 1:46 Metroman: and u don't u don't" so well acted by Metroman in the delivery of the line 👏👏 2:27 I mean I luv that push that Metroman does I mean mainly because that is actually MY FIRST INSTINCT if a random stranger puts their dirty hands on my shoulder or touches me very good self defense Metroman 🤘🤘
Great acting from brad. It really felt like he was really offended when that dude made the remark about how a scout got him wrong when he was a player On the other hand I could be wrong bc I honestly don’t know shit about acting and I jus saw what I “think” is good
He’s good, you’re not wrong. Never let them catch you acting. That’s why Brad Pitt is do good, he’s a natural and I never caught him “acting” in Moneyball.
I never got it though, why does the scout put his hand on Billy's shoulder like that... is he wrongly thinking that Billy is capitulating and giving up, and wants to be friendly in a "glad you saw it my way, my boy" kind of move? Or is he trying to lay hands on Billy in an intimidation move?
I feel like he really wanted to hurt Billy in this moment, and showed enough restraint to not straight out lash out at him, but not enough to keep his hands to himself.
@TheITS I think that's exactly it. Was wondering the same myself and that makes perfect sense thinking how angry he was. I think he clearly realized that instantly what that was.
As much as Grady is portrayed as an artifact of a previous age, I do believe he has an inkling of truth to his statement - which is why baseball operations around the league have never fully dropped the old methods of scouting. Statistics are, by and large, the best way to determine a player's value. However, there is far more to it than stats, personality, chemistry, IQ, tendencies, there are more incalculable metrics that only scouts would be able to determine. The real solution to Billy's issue of being cash poor, would be to integrate both ideologies together. Using the old way of scouting as the old testament, and the bill james method as the new testament. Both can be effective, and its now how MLB teams are built, heavily relying on statistics, while also adhering to the undefined qualities that scouts look for in a player.
I like this scene because this is how two grown men tough guys in America have an argument. I've seen this dynamic before. It doesn't come to blows because they're adults but it comes really close.
I think most people didn’t understand why this was so crucial for the A’s. The A’s were the poorest team in the MLB in a league where it 100% mattered. They had to have something like this to compete.
Nice story. Moneyball looks much better when you have 2 MVP type Batters (Tejada & Chavez) and 3 Cy Young Candidate Starting Pitchers (Hudson, Zito & Mulder).
Excellent movie that I think correlates to investing. So many firms think status quo vs outside the box. If you don't think like us then your wrong. You can't win you're going to lose
@@raymond3803 ehh MLB is going through a lockout and chances are we don’t see baseball till may or later, when spring training should be occurring at the moment… only thing that’s holding up that bargain is greedy ball club owners and the owner/commissioner.. kinda like millionaires vs billionaires sorta thing
@@ceebee312 Was unaware. So....nothing to do with covid. Nor players/union strike. More of a Commissioner/Owner disagreements & disputes? Did they keep 7-inning double headers? Or revert back to full 9 inning? Obviously don't watch much baseball, since 2014-2015 home town Royals run. Odd, since I received letters of invitation & intent from MU and other schools to play (or at least try-out) for college baseball. The sport I had the most natural ability I gave the least amount of interest and dedication toward. Ended up a hired racecar driver. Thanks for your response.
This whole conversation was to try to get himself fired, and he literally had to go for the "fuck you" to do it. The weird thing is that if Beane is the GM and this guy is not, theoretically Beane was the better scout, so this guy needed to realize that he needed to "adapt or die" and he chose death.
It's like he's not even listening to what he's saying. He has been a scout for 29 years? That means he's been doing his job and failing at it for 29 years! Team is still losing. If that's the not time for a change when is?
Just because the team was losing doesn't mean he was failing at his job. The team is financially poor. They can't recruit the best players and prospects and if they're lucky enough to find one a rich team will take em away the next season. It's the reason 5 years after 02 the A's return to being an unremarkable team
@@blocktopic Bingo. Folks tend to put scouting as "FIND MICHAEL JORDAN"...Okay? You found him? What next?! lol Can you teach, improve, work constructively with and better him??
This scene takes place in 2002. So 29 years takes him back to 1963. Oakland won a few World Series titles in those 29 years. He wasn't doing it wrong. But a computer could do it much better. They had to go to a computer because of the salaries of the players. It wasn't 1963 anymore.
While tradition and using old ways are good, sometimes it's ok to break from tradition and begin how you want. It's not bad starting over from scratch but granted it's not easy and a lot of hard work it'll still be fun and it allows you to be twice as creative than it was following the old rules as Lisa Simpson once said: it's nice to be a link in a chain but twice as better to start one of your own.
This movie gets a lot wrong. It focuses on the overlooked players who they signed for little money. But, the main driving force on the team was an mvp level miguel tejada and possibly one of the greatest young rotations ever seen with Hudson, Mulder, and Zito. All these guys were homegrown....the scouts were doing something right. The movie completely overlooks these young stars and makes it seem like it was a whole team of undervalued players.
i fond out the guy who place pete used to play baseball in the MLB and started before after and while making this move that he felt that billy beans killed baseball.
Well he tried to manipulate Pitts character with the line about "this is about you" but was triggered himself about his own son so I guess it was about him actually. I don't know anything much about baseball but I do know about management and people trying to manipulate other people.
I learned from my 35 years of playing strat o matic baseball Obp his Huge Same as pitches It’s hits to innings pitched That’s all you need to look for For pitch less hits to innings pulitched
This catastrophic season you're about to have ... which EVERY team in the league outside of Boston and NY would have gladly taken as a regular result. Hell, I wish the Monforts were smart enough to pursue something like this. At least the team would be entertaining instead of the world's most boring train wreck.
I played a lot of baseball growing-up. I always thought walks were under-valued. I mean, if you primarily look at batting average/RBI's, you're missing like HALF the STORY of a hitter. A pitcher is going to have the advantage over hitters in MOST situation. However, a hitter with a GOOD EYE negates a lot of that advantage.
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"We always did things that way" - Six most expensive words in business.
I told my boss a few years ago "only dead fish go with the flow". He'd never heard the expression before.
The customer is always right
^^ Also expensive words
@@scottscotty2178 -in matters of taste. The customer is always right in matters of taste. Lot of people think that paraphrasing gives them carte-blanche to be an asshole to service workers.
Pretty much in any line of industry but mostly where technology plays a major role, nowadays…everywhere
Interesting sidenote: Fuson's departure didn't go anything like this in real life; he left for an assistant GM job with Texas. He was totally philosophical about how he was portrayed in the movie. His wife was mad about it, but he just told her, "we don't control Hollywood." He actually enjoyed the movie himself.
But did Fuson go to the media after the departure and slam Billy in real life though? A lot of stuff that goes on behind the scenes we don’t know about and maybe never will.
That's what they say NOW. But if you're not new to the sports industry, you'll know that practically EVERYONE is all rosy and nice when talking about one another in front of the media in sports. Both would say he left voluntarily just like they claimed in the media that Harbaugh left the 49ers on good terms even though we've since learned him and the GM John Lynch got into HEATED fights, sometimes physical, over mostly differing opinions (Lynch prioritized monetization while Harbaugh's goal was to win) and eventually weren't to be alone in a room together. Point being, of course these guys aren't going to come out and say that they or someone else were an asshole or wrong about Moneyball.
@@SircoleYT John Lynch wasn't the GM of the 49ers during Harbaugh's tenure. That was Trent Baalke.
I mean, it is, in my opinion, a great telling of a great story, not every detail is going to be told correctly but it's still a good movie
Exactly and seriously doubt Art Howe said any of the things he did in the movie. He seemed pretty laid back in real life and probably agreed with a lot of what Billy was implementing.
Left out the part where Billy walks into the next room and says "Hey you, you every played baseball?" "Uh, not really, I mean um I played tee ball when--" "Congratulations, you're the new head scout."
Fuck that was a dumb scene...
@@cynicalpsycho5574 how is it a dumb scene? the point was to show he was looking for someone who would look at the stats and not be biased by pre existing experience about how baseball "should look".
@@cynicalpsycho5574 Not really. They didn't need a head scout looking at looks. And girlfriends. And Bullshit intuition
It was weird how that character (the tee-ball guy who was made head scout) wasn't ever seen at any other point in the movie.
@@cherkovision it shows him in the scene where they talk about free agents in the corner. In the book he's mentioned a lot too.
The guy playing Grady did such a great job I might have accidentally been mad at him if I ever ran into him. So convincing.
He manages to exude anger, aggression, even violence without being over the top and losing his sh** or even raising his voice. This scene is incredibe.
He actually was a Baseball scout who actually hated the theory that Money all revolves around.
might have not might of
@@defs8073 Thankyou.
he was right, but also wrong yea. numbers are good average but they can also miss a lot of things
I like how Billy gets the initiative from the very beginning with the phrase "You are unhappy. Why?" and then immediately interrupts Grady
I caught that too.
It's because he wants to cut straight to the point because he knows exactly what's about to happen
This is so true for everything in life. People almost never learn or change. The longer they have been making the same mistake, the harder it is for them to ever stop. "Adapt or die indeed". Most people just stick around until they die.
None of this is true. Grady Fuson left because he got a better job with another team. The Texas Rangers offered him a deal to be Assistant GM. Part of the deal was, if the GM left while Fuson was Assistant GM, then he would move up and become the GM. No Scout would ever talk to a GM like this.
Yep. The devil you know is better than the devil you don’t.
@@chrisconley8583 While true, this role was more just an avatar for the old school way of thinking. The reality is nobody who doesn't watch baseball would remember his name after they finished the movie. It really didn't matter what his name was, just what the character represented.
@@maxdurk4624 if it’s an “avatar” then it’s not true and there’s better ways they could have done it than tell a lie about a guy who worked there.
I like the ones that say they've been doing it for 30 years! Accept they don't say they've been doing it WRONG for 30 years lol!!
I'm from italy, and know nothing about baseball but I loved this film.
It's a wonderful movie even if you dont know baseball. This team started it all and now every sports team does some version of this. Most average football clubs in Europe do this too, to make a good team they can afford.
That’s what Aaron Sorkin does.
That’s why it’s a great movie
You know noting about football either 😂 let's go Macedonia
@@cormac2515 four world cups and two euros! Who are you?
As a humble manager, I recognize something that some might not notice here and it's a great strategic / tactical point used by Brad's character. He has the conversation in 'private', but he knows it's front of the coach played by Seymour Hofman. Only later in my management years did I realize the intent of this. This is brilliant and accurate. You want testimony to your conversation without requesting their obligation and liability.
I think it may have been Grady's idea. You can see him glance in at Art and make sure he's there to hear it because at this point Grady just wants the ship to go down. Billy noticed.
That MLB put so little importance on OBP for so many years is remarkable. If a guy hits .240 but gets on base 37% of the time, he has value. Bill James was right in so many ways. The only times a low OBP can be tolerated is if the player hits for power and drives in runs, or if they’re a defensive specialist.
One of the jokes I always made about baseball is that it's a sport that gives you three chances to do something that even great players can only do 30% of the time. At least this guy found a way to squeeze some extra percentage points out of that number.
@@Loogaroo1 exactly.
Exactly.
It's because when statistical recording was becoming a thing in baseball in the 19th century, walks were considered an error on the pitcher, not credited to the batter. Then, for a hundred years, walks were discounted. Its pretty amazing the influence of history on something so fundamentally basic.
Indeed. David Ortiz had a batting average of about .286, which is decent but nothing spectacular. However, he had an OBP of nearly 40%, is in the top 20 for most home runs in a career, and is widely regarded as one of the greatest designated hitters of all time. Sometimes, how often you hit the ball isn't nearly as important as what HAPPENS when you do hit it :)
This is my fav scene from the whole movie, you don’t know, really hit hard. And he is so right, you can’t predict someone’s future based on what you think of them today, people are so set on assumptions that they never look at reality.
I loved how they're watching film on Youkilis, Jonah Hill says he's a "wait and see", Billy talks to and fires Fuson, hires the kid playing videogames, and comes back and says "So Youk's a wait and see" all nonchalant, lol!
"I'm not gonna fire you". I like that. It's just the two of them and he asked to speak candidly. Then, the guy goes off the rails lol. As another commenter - Cisium - says, this isn't how it went down in real life. But I really like the scene.
He was clearly trying to intimidate Billy...but in fact he was super fearful of being kicked out of his job ever since Pete appeared in the picture. He thinks he is older and intimidating but Billy stuck with his plan. Great scene
This never happened, so there is no fact to your “in fact”.
According to Beane, the real guy, and anyone with any knowledge of how or why he left the A’s at that time, he left because he got higher up job with better money with another baseball club. No scout would ever talk to the GM like this.
@@chrisconley8583 He's obviously referring the movie character himself and not the actual person. He's explaining the underlying feelings and motives of the movie character. You don't have to be that "ACKTUALLY" guy.
@@chrisconley8583 Did it occur to you that that he's referring to the MOVIE that this scene is from? You've really impressed us with your knowledge though.
@@seandelorm1333 the movie isn’t “fact”.
@@chrisconley8583 No one, and i mean NO ONE, said the movie was fact. Do I need to repeat what the other people said that he’s referring to the CHARACTER and NOT the Real Person?
I always love when the old-guard is actively failing and yet continues to insist that they "know" how to do things lol
100%, and a it’s a theme that transcends baseball, much like the rest of the themes in this great movie.
It goes both ways. Just look how many startups claiming to change/save the world and revolutionize things fail every year.
The old guard isn't failing. The scouts helped build the team. The pitching, most of the hitters, came up through the draft. Not the scouts fault the Owner is too cheap to keep anyone.
I get what you are trying to say but these guys were not actively failing. This team won 102 games the year before using players these guys helped find.
I know right. It's like the old guard trying to convince and brainwash kids that socialism is a good thing so they can get all the money and the power back.
Billy was smart to not fire him until when he did. Up until that point, Grady was covered under the auspices of doing his job, which was to advise the GM. Billy didn't fire him for that. He waited until Grady laid hands on him and said "Fuck you," which is when he crossed over into insubordination and (potentially) assault. Before that, he could potentially have sued for wrongful termination. Just small details in the movie of how much of a cool, calm, analytical thinker Billy is. Almost like he set Grady up so he could get rid of him without the headache.
Wrongful termination? Most of the US is at-will.
Stupidest shit I’ve heard. Wrongful termination is if you get fired for your age, sex, whistleblowing, etc. Billy could have fired Grady at any point before Grady put his hands on him
@@bigboysdotcom745Good luck getting your severance package after putting your hands on your boss
Most, but not all. A guy in this position with a MLB team would have a contract which specifies exactly what he could be fired for.@@bigboysdotcom745
I would imagine at-will wouldn't apply to MLB. Mostly contracts.
I've coached baseball for years. We even have a draft at the beginning of the year and we use last year's players and new players to ballence out each team. It is about the numbers and forecasting that players potential. When I did coach there was never a year when we lost the playoffs or tournaments and it was all about stats and numbers. I stopped when my children stopped, but I remember sitting with my assistant coach on the bench for hours with a book and pen going over and over the numbers and that's what made our team unstoppable. When my sons have children I will definitely entertain the idea for coaching. Success starts from the top!!
A powerful scene because it is quite clear that some of the scouts were very resistant to change. Billy knew the financial situation, and knew he needed to take a different approach in order to reach some type of success.
Except this scene isn't historically accurate and not at all what actually happened. The Oakland A's scouting department were all on board with what Beane was doing. And in fact, it was because of that scouting department that allowed Oakland to have the season they did that year. They were led by the guys they scouted and developed.
Waow thanks for litteraly pointing out what people in the movie litteraly said. Thanks for your creative analysis by repeating almost the same words used in the movie.
There's a small club in the English soccer Premier League called Brighton that is using the Moneyball method very successfully. They are currently 7th out of 20, despite spending a fraction of what the big clubs spend. They buy young players cheap and then sell them for tens of millions of pounds. They lose a coach to the big teams and then replace him with somebody better. They also play attractive attacking soccer, when traditionally the smaller clubs that found success played very physical, defensive, pragmatic soccer.
This is a very strong scene. Well acted and solid writing.
Billy got the last laugh
Billy walks down the hall, finds some guy in a room playing video games that used to play teeball, hires him new head scout, goes back to video about Kevin Youkilis as if nothing happened.
This scene is such a microcosm of real life. In every industry It’s always the old entrenched birds that are resistant to adaptation. Meanwhile technology marches on.
The name says it all. Moneyball. Money comes first. When Money is limited. Scouting have to change.
Truly amazing that it took baseball so long to figure out that the 100+ year way that they had been evaluating talent was flawed.
Similar concept to the automobile. Too stubborn in its old way to innovate and be better.
@@alfredomeza4181 Tesla Truck?
Truly amazing you think real time computerized analytics were possible that long ago.
When Pasteur (in France) proved the existence of bacteria and they were diseases, it was then taught in medical schools.
But almost all the working doctors laughed at him; they "knew" better. Amputations, whatever, maybe they washed their hands, usually not.
Read an article about this that said a "they just had to wait for the old doctors to die out."
Keep this in mind when reading history. When any enormous scientific advance is made, it almost always takes a generation or two to put it into effect.
It's one reason why it's been about 60 years since Armstrong stepped onto the moon and we're only now going back in a big way.
Everything is always flawed to some extent, things just get better and this was just another step in the right direction
What's most aggravating about Grady's stance is how it hasn't gotten the team anywhere. He says Billy's theory will fail, the team will lose. They've ALREADY been failing, losing. They were already the "last dog at the bowl", likely to be sold or dissolved completely. Yet Grady digs his heels in and assumes that they traditional methods of scouting will save the day. Well then, what's the hold up?
"Adapting" is what killed Baseball. It's nothing more than a analytics soaked mess. That's less popular than ever. Starting pitchers don't go pass 5 innings. A defensive shift on every hitter. Which makes no difference anyway because Everything is a Walk, Strikeout or Homerun. Baseball is pathetic! MLB thinks Expanded playoffs, more inner-league play and a Universal DH will save the day. LOL! Traditional Baseball from the 70's and 80's was a Million times better Product. Within a few more years Baseball will be as irrelevant as NASCAR and the WNBA. Soccer & UFC has already overtaken it in the USA. Right now, Baseball is in 5th place, tied with the NHL.
@@kevinfinnerty8414 it might’ve killed it from an entertainment aspect but it’s what teams have to do to win now.
I mean the game has always been the same. Some of the most celebrated players in the history of the sport have a high on-base percentage like Ted Williams, Babe Ruth, Rod Carew, and Mickey Mantle. Players who don't get on base aren't exactly exciting to watch either unless you really love seeing strikeouts, pop flys, or ground outs. It's a competitive sport so naturally people will want to win.
Except not really, they were already breaking all of the rules. The season before, they won 102 games, albeit, yes, with a star lineup. What this film fails to address is that a lot of the winning in both seasons were also helped by a great pitching rotation. Like you could've easily created a movie about how they won 102 games in the season of the opening scene, but then again, that wouldn't be worth of a multimillion dollar film, huh?
@@kevinfinnerty8414 That is a pretty good assessment.
I love how he defended Pete this entire movie, whether it happened this way or not, it would be amazing to work for a GM like that. Sometimes you can get too comfortable in old ways. This system changed baseball forever. Now it’s a stats game, not just best players hoping to mesh
Great acting the both of them!
This guy played Grady like straight out of the Sopranos, love it :)
moneyball was a pretty good movie.
love how he fails to address the larger issues. Most notably the issue that brought them into this situation: money. Baseball the way he's used to it requires the players that people valued. Which were also the players that cost millions of dollars a year. Millions of dollars a year that their owner refused to let them spend. So the question is, how do you put together a talented game winning team on a budget? Pete gave him a way to do that, none of his talent scouts could, they kept going on and on about all the big name players they couldn't afford, like talking about them was gonna somehow magically make them more affordable.
Spoiler alert: Billy didn’t fail or get fired, and was subsequently offered one of the most prestigious clubs in Major League Baseball to manage. But Fate didn’t want the Curse of the Bambino to last much longer so he turned it down.
Billy Beene really did cut a guy a few days before he would have been vested for a pension. Damn that’s ruthless.
Business
It's worth remembering that chances are he made more in that season than most people do in 5 years and all he did was play a game.
That's kind of what happens when you're a liability to your team and said team is in the middle of a playoff push in a division that included the eventual WS champs and another team that had won 116 games the season before
I love that clap.
Billy grabbed on to the Money Ball theory faster than Luke Skywalker did with the Force. Went from never hearing of it to being born again in nothing flat. At least it’s portrayed that way in both movies.
Ken Medlock was phenomenal in this movie. Him and the other old timers is some of the best dialogue acting filmed. He stole his scenes with Pitt, from Pitt.
The time frame for this movie is late 2001 into 2002. Google went public in 2004. Dicks Sporting Goods didn't open their 1st store in California until 2008. The "Google Boy" reference as well as Dicks Sporting Goods would have been highly unlikely back in 2001-2002.
Billy has zero respect for scouts and I love it
Scouting can make or break any sports franchise if management uses it properly. Many scouts are like bureaucrats, cashing cheques for doing nothing.
in this movie and irl Billy does have respect for scouts. that's the point of this scene. the scout is acting out of a mindset of stability and power and using it as his lynchpin to try and intimidate and sway back to the way his job was. what it really comes off as is insecurity, and Billy not only reads it, but calls him on it. fact of the matter, he's using an econ major from Yale to run moneyball and act as a scout.
what i assume you ACTUALLY like is quick witted dialogue and acting that is presented when someone using power to mask insecurity is called on their bullshit.
Billy Beane was a scout. It was his first job in the A's Front Office.
Beane in this scene could have explained things better, but he chose not to, since he has no obligations to do that. Still, I will explain -- everyone there, even the scouts, knew that As would lose if they kept going with what they've done, simply because As didn't have enough money. And that means you had to use different methods to stand a chance. Sure, it can result in loss too, but that was already given with the current methods. If you're going to lose either way, then it's better to go with the experimental route. That's how progress is made.
great movie
The truth is evaluating talent requires both using sabremetrics and having scouts who can find the intangibles in players.
It isn't really intangibles though. It's guessing who can develop into a good player when they're scouting them in their teenage years, but it's just that, guesswork. Like Beane said in the clip, you can't look into a crystal ball and know the future of a kid and if they're the next coming of Babe Ruth or a dud. Players can fail to impress in the sport for a lot more reasons than they can succeed.
Have you watched baseball lately? It's a totally different game from what it was 10-20 years ago. Batting averages don't matter. Striking out doesn't matter.
The funny thing is in the Moneyball book, it spends a lot of time going over who they're going to draft that year and while the sabremetrics is naturally applied to a great deal of it, the big prize for Beane was actually a guy him and the scouts were in complete agreement on, Nick Swisher
Never underestimate new ideas.
Ideas are bulletproof.
The entire time this scout tries to plead his case, all I can think about is the dude in the room zero productive feedback on any prospect other than how they look..."he passes the eye candy test, he has a cute girl friend, etc".
I've been in Billy's shoes. Breaking down a program and rebuilding no easy task. Some get it, some you can get rid of. Finally, the fixtures find somewhere else to go.
Movie flaw: There were no Dick's Sporting Goods in the Bay Area during the early 2000's.
PSH was perfect in this role
Ive never watched or played baseball, i dont even understand it, but ive watched this film like 5 times.
I love how the guys that drafted and developed guys like Giambi, Tejada, Chavez, Mulder, Hudson, Zito, Dye we’re made to look like morons in the movie.
And for every one of those that make it to the majors, nine players in the minors do not. Billy is exactly right: they DON'T know. And it's not just baseball. Studios turned down Star Wars. Publishers turned down Harry Potter. The list is endless in all kinds of fields. The "experts" aren't.
@@royrowland5763 they are *and* aren't. A publishing staffer who happened across The Hobbit correctly realised it would be a hit, and the same publisher correctly told Tolkien to split Lord of the Rings into three parts to make it more accessible. Disney took a win-or-die risk when it created the first feature-length animated film (Snow White).
Expertise is a useful thing, fetishising it isn't. And a further note: Billy isn't refusing to listen to an expert here, he's choosing which one to listen to.
Carlos Pena was an obvious superstar as a rookie and David Justice continuing his career was a complete joke to baseball people at the time too.
@@royrowland5763 to gloss over that much young talent is a joke.
@@joepermenter7228 pena was batting .210 his rookie year when he got traded lol
I doubt this ever occurred. A low on the totem pole scout is going to talk to the GM of the team that way? I doubt it.
Fuson actually had some fair points, particularly that it's not all numbers - there are intangibles too. But he f'ed his whole argument up by getting personal about things.
The problem is the most important intangibles aren't something these guys can see from watching a high school game.
Look at Yadi Molina - great catcher, especially defensively, sure, Hell he's top 15 in Defensive War. But the thing that makes him great - the thing that's going to get him honored at Busch Stadium, if not in the HOF, is his ability to manage a pitcher and lead the team in general (The Cardinals haven't had official Captains since the 40s but everyone knows Yadi is the unofficial captain of the team and has been for years.)
But the thing is that wasn't something that the scouts can go look for and find in the player. They have to be drilled into and trained into a player, AND the player just has to have a good natural baseball sense about them - and you can't always, or even mostly, see that in a person just from watching them play.
@@lgmmrm Well put!
I like a hybrid of feel and analytics. Can't rely on this stuff too much. Glad they're doing away with this awful shift too and I won't miss it ✌🏽. Great fielders can cover the ground to make a play and many times get an out. If you can't then maybe the hitter deserves a hit for doing what Wee Willie Keeler advised and hitting it where they ain't 🤷🏽♂️
Agree. We see with Jeremy Giambi how the pure stats approach didn’t work perfectly and Billy had to dump him.
They are both right. You cannot build a team purely on analytics. There’s things like chemistry, learning how to follow instructions, learning what the opposing team is going to do.
But, scouts can miss and get things wrong on a kid and set him up with false expectations about their careers…
its funny how its clear pete's not getting his way so he has to make it personal with billy bringing up his failed baseball career as a player
Ad Hominem
If you read the book, you would see that he is 100% correct in why Billy was doing it. He hit the nail on the head with that.
If we win, on this budget, with this team - *we'll have changed the game*
They didn't win. And the game is EXACTLY OPPOSITE of what is shown in this movie. A guy that gets on base? Wouldn't even make AAA minor leagues anymore. If you don't home run or strikeout these days, you are no good.
How the fuck did I end up here being a soccer dude?!!
0:54 Metroman: ok
I luv how Metroman said his line so calmly and not so furiously I mean kudos to Metroman 👏👏
1:16 Metroman: adapt or die *claps hands and puts hands behind his back*
LOL the clap made me laugh and I always say that like Metroman in real life lol 🤣🤣
1:46 Metroman: and u don't u don't" so well acted by Metroman in the delivery of the line 👏👏
2:27 I mean I luv that push that Metroman does I mean mainly because that is actually MY FIRST INSTINCT if a random stranger puts their dirty hands on my shoulder or touches me very good self defense Metroman 🤘🤘
Great acting from brad. It really felt like he was really offended when that dude made the remark about how a scout got him wrong when he was a player
On the other hand I could be wrong bc I honestly don’t know shit about acting and I jus saw what I “think” is good
He’s good, you’re not wrong. Never let them catch you acting. That’s why Brad Pitt is do good, he’s a natural and I never caught him “acting” in Moneyball.
I never got it though, why does the scout put his hand on Billy's shoulder like that... is he wrongly thinking that Billy is capitulating and giving up, and wants to be friendly in a "glad you saw it my way, my boy" kind of move? Or is he trying to lay hands on Billy in an intimidation move?
I feel like he really wanted to hurt Billy in this moment, and showed enough restraint to not straight out lash out at him, but not enough to keep his hands to himself.
@TheITS I think that's exactly it. Was wondering the same myself and that makes perfect sense thinking how angry he was. I think he clearly realized that instantly what that was.
And "Pete" was really Paul DePodesta, who didn't want his name mentioned in the movie.
his name ended up coming out with those emails though lol
Sven Mislintat watches this movie every night, from now he can watch it 4 times per day.
As much as Grady is portrayed as an artifact of a previous age, I do believe he has an inkling of truth to his statement - which is why baseball operations around the league have never fully dropped the old methods of scouting.
Statistics are, by and large, the best way to determine a player's value. However, there is far more to it than stats, personality, chemistry, IQ, tendencies, there are more incalculable metrics that only scouts would be able to determine.
The real solution to Billy's issue of being cash poor, would be to integrate both ideologies together. Using the old way of scouting as the old testament, and the bill james method as the new testament. Both can be effective, and its now how MLB teams are built, heavily relying on statistics, while also adhering to the undefined qualities that scouts look for in a player.
I like this scene because this is how two grown men tough guys in America have an argument. I've seen this dynamic before. It doesn't come to blows because they're adults but it comes really close.
This movie killed the A’s
I think most people didn’t understand why this was so crucial for the A’s. The A’s were the poorest team in the MLB in a league where it 100% mattered. They had to have something like this to compete.
I just can’t get in to baseball until they have a salary cap and some parity
Nice story. Moneyball looks much better when you have 2 MVP type Batters (Tejada & Chavez) and 3 Cy Young Candidate Starting Pitchers (Hudson, Zito & Mulder).
Excellent movie that I think correlates to investing. So many firms think status quo vs outside the box. If you don't think like us then your wrong. You can't win you're going to lose
it's a similar film to "the big short" in some ways
This is like the scene in Ted Lasso in season 2 when Roy Kent criticizes pundits for not knowing what the players are going through on the field…
Ok ok MY TURN….
Wish they added a scene of him calling him after the year 😂
I think current owners and players alike need to adapt or die. This lockout is so dumb
Forgive me. What lockout?
@@raymond3803 ehh MLB is going through a lockout and chances are we don’t see baseball till may or later, when spring training should be occurring at the moment… only thing that’s holding up that bargain is greedy ball club owners and the owner/commissioner.. kinda like millionaires vs billionaires sorta thing
@@ceebee312 Was unaware. So....nothing to do with covid. Nor players/union strike.
More of a Commissioner/Owner disagreements & disputes?
Did they keep 7-inning double headers? Or revert back to full 9 inning?
Obviously don't watch much baseball, since 2014-2015 home town Royals run. Odd, since I received letters of invitation & intent from MU and other schools to play (or at least try-out) for college baseball. The sport I had the most natural ability I gave the least amount of interest and dedication toward. Ended up a hired racecar driver. Thanks for your response.
It's called DRAMATIC LICENSE,Fuson wasn't a mean guy 😴🤣
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"When you get fired from your job, go work at Dicks."
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This whole conversation was to try to get himself fired, and he literally had to go for the "fuck you" to do it. The weird thing is that if Beane is the GM and this guy is not, theoretically Beane was the better scout, so this guy needed to realize that he needed to "adapt or die" and he chose death.
Kinda… I remember an old friend of mine grabbing my shoulder at one time or
Another. The work of better needs us
Grady was the cop who arrested Santana at the end of "American Me"
Nothing wrong working at Dick's Sporting Goods. Dang.
It's like he's not even listening to what he's saying. He has been a scout for 29 years? That means he's been doing his job and failing at it for 29 years! Team is still losing. If that's the not time for a change when is?
Just because the team was losing doesn't mean he was failing at his job. The team is financially poor. They can't recruit the best players and prospects and if they're lucky enough to find one a rich team will take em away the next season. It's the reason 5 years after 02 the A's return to being an unremarkable team
@@blocktopic nailed it
@@blocktopic Bingo. Folks tend to put scouting as "FIND MICHAEL JORDAN"...Okay? You found him? What next?! lol Can you teach, improve, work constructively with and better him??
This scene takes place in 2002. So 29 years takes him back to 1963. Oakland won a few World Series titles in those 29 years.
He wasn't doing it wrong. But a computer could do it much better. They had to go to a computer because of the salaries of the players. It wasn't 1963 anymore.
@@blocktopic No. 5 years after 02 the A's returned to being an average team because everyone else copied what they were doing.
While tradition and using old ways are good, sometimes it's ok to break from tradition and begin how you want. It's not bad starting over from scratch but granted it's not easy and a lot of hard work it'll still be fun and it allows you to be twice as creative than it was following the old rules as Lisa Simpson once said: it's nice to be a link in a chain but twice as better to start one of your own.
This movie gets a lot wrong. It focuses on the overlooked players who they signed for little money. But, the main driving force on the team was an mvp level miguel tejada and possibly one of the greatest young rotations ever seen with Hudson, Mulder, and Zito. All these guys were homegrown....the scouts were doing something right. The movie completely overlooks these young stars and makes it seem like it was a whole team of undervalued players.
Oakland still without a World Series win since 89 or an appearance since 90
Playoffs are a crapshoot.
yup@@KillerAJ
i fond out the guy who place pete used to play baseball in the MLB and started before after and while making this move that he felt that billy beans killed baseball.
Riddle me a comment.
Well he tried to manipulate Pitts character with the line about "this is about you" but was triggered himself about his own son so I guess it was about him actually. I don't know anything much about baseball but I do know about management and people trying to manipulate other people.
I learned from my 35 years of playing strat o matic baseball
Obp his Huge
Same as pitches
It’s hits to innings pitched
That’s all you need to look for
For pitch less hits to innings pulitched
That dude is the 1st guy i would’ve fired in front of everyone!
we appreciate you doing gods work and censoring language
I like how the final straw was a simple f*ck you
I know right! After all that leading up to this and everything else in this conversation that was it.
Economics, the study of choice, given the condition of scarcity. To bad I failed it in high school.
Pitt looks like he's passing a kidney stone in this whole scene.
This Dude wanted to get fired because he can get off the ship before it sink with his money and repetition intact.
Yeah ya do
Why is this CENSORED?
brad pitt best performance
Symbolic of so many industries. And the personal attack fended off by confronting the lie of supposed intuition. That was tradition.
2:19 why did he grab him??
To tell him Fuck You in a very personal way.
He was gonna f-him
He was going to tongue kiss him.
@@Effedup ew
Because he wanted to get fired. Lucky he didn't get his ass kicked
This catastrophic season you're about to have ... which EVERY team in the league outside of Boston and NY would have gladly taken as a regular result. Hell, I wish the Monforts were smart enough to pursue something like this. At least the team would be entertaining instead of the world's most boring train wreck.
Sell all your players and never win or fold. wish they would fold.
Manufactured conflict to tell a liven up a story.
How come they never mention, Tijada, Zito, Mulder, Hudson. In this movie.
I played a lot of baseball growing-up.
I always thought walks were under-valued. I mean, if you primarily look at batting average/RBI's, you're missing like HALF the STORY of a hitter.
A pitcher is going to have the advantage over hitters in MOST situation. However, a hitter with a GOOD EYE negates a lot of that advantage.
See "Thomas, Frank."
This movie will be bittersweet when the A’s move to las vegas
I didn't get that last bit. Was he trying to get fired?