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How do you compare moneyball with trouble with the curve? They are opposites

If that old scout is so good they should have an amazing team and they should've been winning. But they are not. Soooo his method doesn't work obviously. So they have to try something new

As a humble manager, I recognize something that some might not notice here and it's a great strategic / tactical point used by Brad's character. He has the conversation in 'private', but he knows it's front of the coach played by Seymour Hofman. Only later in my management years did I realize the intent of this. This is brilliant and accurate. You want testimony to your conversation without requesting their obligation and liability.

Ken Medlock was phenomenal in this movie. Him and the other old timers is some of the best dialogue acting filmed. He stole his scenes with Pitt, from Pitt.

They are both right. You cannot build a team purely on analytics. There’s things like chemistry, learning how to follow instructions, learning what the opposing team is going to do. But, scouts can miss and get things wrong on a kid and set him up with false expectations about their careers…

Ken Medlock was great in this role. Of course the Real Grady Fuson wasn’t like this and this was a lot of Hollywood

I love how he defended Pete this entire movie, whether it happened this way or not, it would be amazing to work for a GM like that. Sometimes you can get too comfortable in old ways. This system changed baseball forever. Now it’s a stats game, not just best players hoping to mesh

Wish they added a scene of him calling him after the year 😂

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I like this scene because this is how two grown men tough guys in America have an argument. I've seen this dynamic before. It doesn't come to blows because they're adults but it comes really close.

Never let a cancer remain within your organization. This Grady character was a cancer. They will actively work against everything you are working toward and convince others to join them. Doesn’t matter what their credentials are.

GOOGLE BOY 😂😂😂😊

I don't get it. Why was he mad when he put his hand on his shoulder?

This movie killed the A’s

This is my fav scene from the whole movie, you don’t know, really hit hard. And he is so right, you can’t predict someone’s future based on what you think of them today, people are so set on assumptions that they never look at reality.

Billy Bean’s way of thinking proved to be wrong.

Sven Mislintat watches this movie every night, from now he can watch it 4 times per day.

Nothing wrong working at Dick's Sporting Goods. Dang.

I learned from my 35 years of playing strat o matic baseball Obp his Huge Same as pitches It’s hits to innings pitched That’s all you need to look for For pitch less hits to innings pulitched

Billy got the last laugh

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Kinda… I remember an old friend of mine grabbing my shoulder at one time or Another. The work of better needs us

"We always did things that way" - Six most expensive words in business.

great movie

Great movie, but it's based loosely on reality. The reason why the A's were good that year was because of their young players that were scouted and drafted. Hattenburg, Justice, and Giambi just filled in some supporting cast holes.

This movie gets a lot wrong. It focuses on the overlooked players who they signed for little money. But, the main driving force on the team was an mvp level miguel tejada and possibly one of the greatest young rotations ever seen with Hudson, Mulder, and Zito. All these guys were homegrown....the scouts were doing something right. The movie completely overlooks these young stars and makes it seem like it was a whole team of undervalued players.

I doubt this ever occurred. A low on the totem pole scout is going to talk to the GM of the team that way? I doubt it.

So, why are people so off by using numbers to evaluate players? Yet, the sport GLAMORIZES players who put up big stats?

The entire time this scout tries to plead his case, all I can think about is the dude in the room zero productive feedback on any prospect other than how they look..."he passes the eye candy test, he has a cute girl friend, etc".

As much as Grady is portrayed as an artifact of a previous age, I do believe he has an inkling of truth to his statement - which is why baseball operations around the league have never fully dropped the old methods of scouting. Statistics are, by and large, the best way to determine a player's value. However, there is far more to it than stats, personality, chemistry, IQ, tendencies, there are more incalculable metrics that only scouts would be able to determine. The real solution to Billy's issue of being cash poor, would be to integrate both ideologies together. Using the old way of scouting as the old testament, and the bill james method as the new testament. Both can be effective, and its now how MLB teams are built, heavily relying on statistics, while also adhering to the undefined qualities that scouts look for in a player.

The "intangibles" in sports are overrated. The whole "intangible" argument is often used as a way to justify a narrative of why some players have won more championships than others, when really it generally comes down more to luck as well as to who's team was better, as a whole. You could have the best star player ever and never win a championship, or win multiple championships in a row without having any of the top 5 guys in your league.

Economics, the study of choice, given the condition of scarcity. To bad I failed it in high school.

This is what Man Utd is doing now, bunch of shitty scouting strategy and bozos.

This scene is such a microcosm of real life. In every industry It’s always the old entrenched birds that are resistant to adaptation. Meanwhile technology marches on.

Fun fact, Brad Pitt dipped his nuts in a big

Pitt looks like he's passing a kidney stone in this whole scene.

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Why is the volume so low ffs

Billy grabbed on to the Money Ball theory faster than Luke Skywalker did with the Force. Went from never hearing of it to being born again in nothing flat. At least it’s portrayed that way in both movies.

0:54 Metroman: ok I luv how Metroman said his line so calmly and not so furiously I mean kudos to Metroman 👏👏 1:16 Metroman: adapt or die *claps hands and puts hands behind his back* LOL the clap made me laugh and I always say that like Metroman in real life lol 🤣🤣 1:46 Metroman: and u don't u don't" so well acted by Metroman in the delivery of the line 👏👏 2:27 I mean I luv that push that Metroman does I mean mainly because that is actually MY FIRST INSTINCT if a random stranger puts their dirty hands on my shoulder or touches me very good self defense Metroman 🤘🤘

Nice story. Moneyball looks much better when you have 2 MVP type Batters (Tejada & Chavez) and 3 Cy Young Candidate Starting Pitchers (Hudson, Zito & Mulder).

Oakland sucks

The time frame for this movie is late 2001 into 2002. Google went public in 2004. Dicks Sporting Goods didn't open their 1st store in California until 2008. The "Google Boy" reference as well as Dicks Sporting Goods would have been highly unlikely back in 2001-2002.

I've coached baseball for years. We even have a draft at the beginning of the year and we use last year's players and new players to ballence out each team. It is about the numbers and forecasting that players potential. When I did coach there was never a year when we lost the playoffs or tournaments and it was all about stats and numbers. I stopped when my children stopped, but I remember sitting with my assistant coach on the bench for hours with a book and pen going over and over the numbers and that's what made our team unstoppable. When my sons have children I will definitely entertain the idea for coaching. Success starts from the top!!

The name says it all. Moneyball. Money comes first. When Money is limited. Scouting have to change.

Billy was smart to not fire him until when he did. Up until that point, Grady was covered under the auspices of doing his job, which was to advise the GM. Billy didn't fire him for that. He waited until Grady laid hands on him and said "Fuck you," which is when he crossed over into insubordination and (potentially) assault. Before that, he could potentially have sued for wrongful termination. Just small details in the movie of how much of a cool, calm, analytical thinker Billy is. Almost like he set Grady up so he could get rid of him without the headache.

Whatever the dodgers are doing it sure isn’t easy. However they need to figure out a playoff formula so they don’t choke. Go Dodgers

I played a lot of baseball growing-up. I always thought walks were under-valued. I mean, if you primarily look at batting average/RBI's, you're missing like HALF the STORY of a hitter. A pitcher is going to have the advantage over hitters in MOST situation. However, a hitter with a GOOD EYE negates a lot of that advantage.

There's a small club in the English soccer Premier League called Brighton that is using the Moneyball method very successfully. They are currently 7th out of 20, despite spending a fraction of what the big clubs spend. They buy young players cheap and then sell them for tens of millions of pounds. They lose a coach to the big teams and then replace him with somebody better. They also play attractive attacking soccer, when traditionally the smaller clubs that found success played very physical, defensive, pragmatic soccer.

I think most people didn’t understand why this was so crucial for the A’s. The A’s were the poorest team in the MLB in a league where it 100% mattered. They had to have something like this to compete.