She-Hulk - From Bad to Worse to Terrible
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- Not content with being oppressively awful in its own right, She-Hulk has breached containment and is now infecting the broader MCU. Daredevil gets the treatment in episode 8, but more importantly, its casual discarding of the Sokovia Accords proves just how bad is the decline in worldbuilding talent at Marvel.
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They lost me when Jen advised Bruce that she has infinitely more to be angry about, and she represses that anger on a daily basis, just because she is a woman. Meanwhile, Bruce has suffered an incredible amount of trauma in his life, and that trauma is completely dismissed with an agreeing smile by Bruce during the scene.
The guy literally tried to end himself multiple times. No bUt JeN wAs CaTcAlLeD!
Mind boggling. To me it was the most cringe part of the show. Is it just me, or does Bruce barely contain himself with his facial expression?
The whole show ruins hulk for me
“bEiNg A wOmAn Is sO hArD!1!!1!1!” being a victim of PTSD is harder
The smile Bruce gave her wasn't so much of an "Agreement" more like a "Yeah, I bet you do."
I just realized, she insults a blind man's clothes, he plays it off as joke while still pointing it out. And then she does it again like 5 minutes later.
"wtf does ketchup and mustard look like"
@@optimisticwatermelon I like how he lost his eyesight at like 7 or 8 and would full well known what they look like and is just fucking with her.
@@lvlHive Ohh I thought he was born blind
That's much better.
yeah, shes a terrible person
It's a joke lol don't become like these sjws
The 4th wall breaks in the comics, as far as I've heard and seen a bit, were of Jen talking back to her author. Instead, the TV writers tried and horribly failed to make her Deadpool.
The reason Deadpool worked was because he was self-deprecating some of the time.
She Hulk has done this in the comics for decades
the 4th-wall breaks feels more like the writers talking to us fans and giving us the middle finger every time. That is NOT how you do 4th-wall breaks and definitely NOT how to make the fans like your work lol
@@grandarkfang_1482 Nah
she does this all the time in comics but it was handled horribly in the show
This episode did fix the one complaint everyone had from Daredevil though. Let's be honest we were all completely fed up of the perfectly choreographed fights scenes from that show and were just desperate to see what a fight scene would look like with really bad CGI instead.
Right on, brother.
I just really, really wished that my eyes could bleed so bad that I went as blind as Daredevil, ya know? Thank goodness She-Hulk had my needs covered.
@@0ctopusComp1etely when Matt Murdock slept with Jennifer, was that out of character? Especially for someone who is a lawyer?
@@liamphibia eeeeeh. One of the first lines of dialog between Foggy and Murdock in his show is that he tends to have a poor judge of character when it comes to beautiful women. (While I wouldn't personally classify Jen as "beautiful", beauty is in the ear of the beholder so lets take that as a given for the purpose of argument.) The idea is that he isn't a very good judge of character, so his past hook ups have largely backfired and cuased issues... however, he was never even insinuated to be a complete horn dog that would hook up with someone night-of and bone. Additionally, while we get retrospective jokes about this history, it's largely something he's apparently grown out of by episode 1 of season 1 of his show. In fact the only hint we get of it, at all, is when one of his exes comes back for some superhero related reason and they briefly hook up again, however in that situation it was her making the advances, not him.
In other words, the one hookup I can remember him ever having was highly contextual and a result of his past failings coming back to haunt him with pre-existing emotional baggage. While it's never explicitly stated, it's strongly implied that after he put on a mask and started fighting crime he began to settle out.
@@liamphibiaAny blind person sleeping with her would be out of character. If they werent blind you could argue they just think she’s hot. But if theyre blind then theyre sleeping with her purely because of her personality, which is egotistical, narcissistic, vindictive, spiteful, self-absorbed, infuriating, and at times just objectively evil. She is also dumb as bricks, like most of these “strong” female MCU characters
@@liamphibiaIn the comics Matt sleeps with another woman every 3 issues so it's very in character that he just sleeps with Jen xD
I can't believe they casually and passively repealed the Accords. Civil War was such an important and catastrophic event in the MCU because the split in the Avengers is widely the reason Thanos won. It's also just a really good movie in which the main conflict is completely believable and in character for everyone involved. Then Ree-Hulk spits on it in a throwaway line.
That´s their motto that they constantly repeat, in other shows, too:
"The past must die!"
Yeah, and how do you repeal an international treaty between 137 countries ? Its not a piece of legislation.
@@marmagd1 PS, US Constitution is no longer a thing.
Heard it episode 4 of Ms Marvel...
it was worse in comics, how Civil war ended was death of Captain America, tells you Disney just doesn't give F anymore what happens when you keep hiring activists
Yep, this is one of the big reasons for me the MCU died with Endgame, at best I can consider the later spider-man as epilogues. Marvel at least tried given the limitation of live action productions and contracts to make the MCU few like a fully realized word. The Avengers happened and up until phase 3 we were dealing with the ramifications of the Battle of New York. Winter Soldier happens and SHIELD that was the glue that hold everything together died, and it was glorious how Agents of SHIELD explored that. Age of Ultron happens and we get the Sokovia Accords and the falling out of the Avengers, that make the earth vulnerable to Thanos assault. All those thing pale in comparison to the universal shattering event of half of all life in the universe vanishing for five years and them returning. And this doesn't seem to have any long term consequences to the world building besides Loki restarting the multiverse and shit. They could made 10 years of closely related stories about the blip, instead the rushed through it to burn through decades of stories in a few years, like Secret Invasion will be a Disney + show? F**ck that.
As someone studying law, by my understanding, there is essentially no way that an attorney with a beneficial relationship with a defendant could then represent a plaintiff against that defendant in litigation. It's a blatant conflict of interest.
I think there’s a line about her signing a “conflict waiver” - as she had to do with Abomination. It’s essentially a contrivance license though because the writers essentially gave her the clients she’d be least suitable to represent and then had to find some way of having her represent them anyway.
@@TheLittlePlatoon Absolutely. The waiver would cover the plaintiff based on what I read, but she would likely have to survive an objection from the defendant. However, maybe they canonically declined to do so bc she provides shit counsel anyway. Either way, she would probably already be buried in sanctions and their depiction of the legal system is laughable at best.
I don't see how it's a conflict of interest--it in no way benefits her "beneficial relationship" to represent the plaintiff. It actively HARMS said relationship, so the only person who should care would be, well, the plaintiff, who should be objecting, or could sue after losing that his counsel didn't do her job properly due to said conflict of interest.
@@BWMagus Conflicts of interest are very strict within the law to my knowledge. Relations with an adverse party would likely bring up a conflict of interest for both sides. There is also the argument that she possesses some personal knowledge of the defendant's business which is what the case arose out of. Where a relationship exists there could be a motion to disqualify. Evidence of her informally approaching the defendant about litigation prior to taking the client and having an argument about the lawsuit would be relatively serious imo. In fact, depending on the content of that conversation with the designer (I'm not actually going to watch the show) she could be in violation of ABA rules of professional conduct 4.2 or 4.3.
@@BWMagus I think it does show a conflict of interest. It is actively against Jen/She Hulk's interest to work against "Homo Mode" in her best capacity. And the fact that she doesn't even wait for him to leave the courtroom after winning the case before begging him to take her back as a client shows it.
What's worse about Matt and Jen's relationship is that matt can't see. It couldn't be argued that he just did it because she looked nice. He did it for her personality. He thought she was actually nice.
Makes me wonder what he sees in her since she's such an annoying and self-absorbed trash character. I know people use to say love makes you blind but it doesn't make you braindead.
I think you are mistaken, Matt knows exactly what people look like.
@@niero4201 tell that to a blind guy
@@niero4201he gets a general shape of them. Maybe more detailed if there's a continuous noise going on or smell but he is still very much blind. What annoys me is that not only he somehow liked her for her personality but he can easy work out people's emotions or if they're lying through voice, heartbeat etc and still he likes her for some reason
@@teateline9659 one of the first lines of dialog between Foggy and Matt in Daredevil is Foggy pointing out how uncanny it is that Matt always seems to hook up with people who are hot, despite being blind. With that said, his characterization in She-Hulk feels more like the hints we get of his character before episode 1 of season 1 of Daredevil. Foggy and him do have back and fourths about his past girlfriends/hookups being trouble and yet always being hot for some reason, but throughout the show the closest we get is his ex electra (I think that's her name, could be a total misattribution though) coming back and them boning once IIRC. In short, it's a flaw that he did have but had clearly already moved past by episode 1 of season 1 of his own show, yet she-hulk rips it back and makes him a complete horn dog for no reason. (which, for the record, while it was insinuated that he had a poor judge of character when it came to beautiful women it was NOT indicated he would hook up with anyone hot on a whim.)
Remember in the first episode when she bragged to Bruce how much more in control she was?
She then proceeds to cause immense property damage basically every time she's not in a lawyer suit and going full Hulk in the second to last episode, and faces absolutely NO repercussions for ANY of it.
Compare her damage to bruces damage in hulk form and read back this comment please.
@@gamerred691he's still right though, she doesn't face any punishment for the damage he calls
While hulk was basically shunned from the world because he rampage threw a city while being mind controlled, and the avengers basically had to fight each other because CrossBone (or rumlow) decided to be a suicide bomber and try to take him down with Cap which cause the destruction of a building, which wasn't even the avengers fault.
Edit: Hell in the comic civil War event, speedball got blamed for killing a school and two people because a villain who's power is to explode blew up a school. And he was also shunned, it's pretty obvious that in the Marvel multiverse, people are really quick to turn on the heros for things like property damage
@@gamerred691hulk faces tons of punishment
"Matt, no. Hulk went to a different galaxy to escape this shit; you can see why."
Actually, he can't.
You know that joke that goes "so ugly they make blind kids cry"?
......yeah
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂so funny😂😂😂😹😹😹😹😹😹😹😹😹😹😹😆😆
Lol good 1
She-Hulk almost kills Daredevil by tossing a random car at him for no reason. What a hero. If she hadn't sucked as a "lawyer", she would understands the meaning or property damage. I don't think she can afford to cover the damages, or replace it for that matter.
Ikr
Presumably she CAN cover the damages - which is why she ends up broke after 1 day of unemployment one episode later....?
(Sued offscreen 685 times in 2 months)
Shulk acting like she's never heard of DD is so telling.
It's the authors mocking comics lovers, AND knocking down the more loved hero in the narrative
Or its so DD can introduce himself to the people who don't read comics or haven't watched his shows
@@zapatron1939 A better way to do it is if she said something like "Oh I think I've heard about you."
Also let's be real Daredevil is more well-known in pop culture than She-Hulk is, MCU or not.
@@raydhen8840 indeed even people that are not into marvel probably now the ben afleck daredevil movie
THANK YOU. The writers were SO smug & it seems like they genuinely want it to fail just to say, "It's your fault!"
@@zapatron1939 They aren't competent enough writers for that is the issue.
So She-Hulk eschews stealth because SHE is indestructible, right? Well, at least that fits her character being self-centered. I realize this would be a difficult concept for her to understand, but it's not about her! It's about the person she's rescuing who IS NOT bullet proof! It's about causing limited property damage when possible, and it's about not accidentally murdering people with your super strength! You'd think as a lawyer she'd understand how serious those crimes are, especially since her persona as She-Hulk is public and everyone knows who she really is, so she can't even hide behind a secret identity.
I dont see this comment before posting my own comment
If the kidnappers are smart, they can just shoot the dude and go off, and even with that, they can basically put a car above him and pretend that She-hulk literally kills the dude
Well, you certainly put more thought into it than the writer did. Of course they've got other important things to do besides worry about script details.
I mean, Twitter won't toxify itself, y'know.
@@NoxAtlas most of the villains in marvel and DC WANTS collateral damage, thats pretty much the reason
@@SapoWeonN300 True or use the civillians as hostage so the hero can't go somewhere else.
@@NoxAtlas Most known villains in Dragonball want either to rule/sell the world and see colateral damage as bad (Picollo, Frieza) or don't care about society and only want to fight Goku in a fair fight to boost their ego (Cell).
In cases of the red ribbon army and Buu there was coleteral damage.
Its crazy how instead of having she hulk lose the case between her and daredevil, they just make her client a villian which shifts the blame on him so she doesnt lose to a man
Rather, she lost twice: in court and when she stopped Daredevil
what it was the client's fault since the beginning? He didn't tell her what she needed to know and admitted his wrong doings in the middle of the courtroom.
She still lost by arguing in bad faith that was swiftly repelled by Matt, so she did lose to a man...
They also made Daredevil's victory hinge on the fact that he used his powers to smell the rocket fuel. So they basically play it like he cheated.
@@hopelessclown
He revealed that Jen's side cheated, and Jen was lousy for not noticing...
I also love the fact that the writers made Mr. Immortal bi, and also made him incapable of committing to relationships. They tried to be progressive & inclusive but they ended up perpetuating a negative stereotype.
Thanks a lot writers!
Oh and yes Matt Murdock is a fucboy in the comics, that is accurate
Matt Murdock was a fuckboy in the Netflix series too. I have no idea what show you watched if you think otherwise.. Season 1 is full of injokes between Matt and Foggy about how they used to pick up women in bars, how Matt always seems to be able to spot beautiful women in need of comfort, how Matt's list of conquests is too long to enumerate, etc.
@@driumissimo it’s a good thing he spends lots of time at confession 🤣
@@somerandomsmarta556 Huh. Never been a Daredevil fan, but for whatever reason Matt struck me as a celibate type. Then again, 'Daredevil' fits a promiscuous character I suppose.
Yeah I'm pretty sure he was even a fuckboy in the movie they made
@@Ergeniz and this is why we do some research before commenting lol
That quote about creating characters to belittle and hate is the most accurate thing I've ever heard
I think the writers did that because that's just how a lot of women see men, as LP pointed out in the video, you have the hunk, who they sexually desire, the femboy, who they like to hang out with, and every other man is just something to ridicule and mock until they cease to exist in the same space as them
This video was fantastic! The only thing She-Hulk has done right was introduce me to this channel. Also, please right a review of the newest episode. I am in literal shock with how bad a single show can get.
Just recorded the script!
You guys are pretty much acting like the dudes who made a hate group for her tbh
@@dylanrackham7838 sigh. Have you learned nothing?
@@iamthewizardwhoknocks2845 what do you think?
@@iamthewizardwhoknocks2845all of the anti-woman comments, and anti-feminist comments are a bit scary. They don't seem like they are in good faith, there is zero reason to do that when you are looking at a bad show. It's like saying tiger king is all right wingers.
But other then that, fair game, shows a bit dumb, people can rack on it as long as nobody gets hurt.
I said on the first episode that she is actually like a female homelander and this episode actually proved it, she's just one step behind him in psychopathy
What if the next writers just say "f it" and make her the villain of a movie and maybe with her defeat start her on the path of actually being a good and likeable character
@@mrgreenboy644 I’d love that. I want a super meta 180 in terms of she-hulk
A step behind? I see a lot more rhyme and reason to Homelander than to She-Hulk, especially considering his background.
@@mrgreenboy644 never gonna happen.
@@TheStraightestWhitest that's because homelander is one of the best villain characters ever written while miss feminist out here makes its female watchers ashamed of being women by her sheer stupidity
“Fanfic writers grow up”
As a new fanfic writer who have just gotten in to writing in general, I apologize for whatever literary abomination that was unleashed by my fellow writers
Don’t worry all fan fic writers I’ve encountered could make incredible work with not even half the budget of she hulk
Let’s be honest, even fanfic writers Could come up with a better story than this shit
I think this statement should be amended.
Fanfic writers aren't inherently the problem, it's *PASSIONLESS* fanfic writers.
@@justinbowers2749 True! I've read a few fanfics featuring the Winter Soldier where the authors did extensive research on obscure Cold War events and POW legal cases. The She Hulk writers would never.
Never apologize for someone else
LOVE the jet fuel joke. Also, I almost spit out my drink when you said: 'I'm vaguely faggy myself'. Brilliant, mate. Brilliant. I'm here for all of it. Cheers!
I have this sneaking suspicion that the writers don’t even KNOW they’re making Jen look bad fr fr. They think she’s some great character lmfao.
Based on their interviews, I wouldn't be surprised at all if that was the case.
I think that the worst part of this show is that it exists on top with a mound of garage while underneath is a jewel that we used to call The MCU.
The MCU died with Endgame, this is just animals playing with the corpse
@@marcogenovesi8570 lol and we’re like… noo not the face it’s already barely recognizable 🫢😖 lol
It's also sad that Disney is a trillion dollar industry and this is what they came up with. Like people with barely a budget can come up with something better then this.
Infinity War was our Golden Age.
@@marcogenovesi8570 * except No Way Home & Werewolf by Night(these were very good)
She-Hulk somehow manages to destroy the single most important part of the MCU's worldbuilding - the consequences that superpowered individuals would have on the average person. And they managed to do this with She-Hulk being irresponsible and incompetent with her job as a lawyer and a superhero, the complete lack of reaction of the average person when a superpowered individual uses their powers in public (i.e. the elf shapeshifting in an office and courtroom), and the repealing of the Sokovia Accords.
I thought Woki taking a huge steaming shit on the entire Infinity War arc was an epic cockslap, but... this... thing... feels a lot more personal.
There is a lot they could have done a lot of great stuff with this, but instead were terrible and that's probably the worst of it all. Look what it might have been and what we got, and that's the real issue. Is this the worst thing ever? No. I've seen worse. But compared to its possibilities, yeah. Its utterly miserable.
Dude, if you hadn't mentioned it, I wouldn't have thought you've been doing this for less than a year. The way in which you're being completely blunt about how this show messed up a bunch of things, MCU and Non-MCU related just makes me so happy.
I honestly thought She-Hulk was going to be a show about Jen accepting her new identity and being happy about it (like in the comics) but instead we got someone who's always whining and complaining about her problems, but does nothing to overcome them. Also, she spends most of the episodes saying that she doesn't want to be She-Hulk, but when that's being taken away from her, she starts complaining again... Like, isn't that what she wanted?
Also I'm impressed by how most men in the show are just complete douchebags, like this was a love letter to those "I Hate All Men" supporters. (Not to mention that Jen's only looking for someone to sleep with, instead of actually building a healthy relationship, and then thinking about having babies... Wth?)
Why would you assume hollywood would actually follow cannon or do things fans actually want? Have you not been paying attention, or are you just foolish?
Little tiny detail, i had burns on my legs and they where very crippling for a while and for the frogman guy to just move around without recoiling in heavy pain, gives me the impression that no one in the cast has ever been burned or thougth about how a burn victim would act.
Didn't she just finish being depressed by getting ghosted by a guy after having sex with him? Given that she has been established to be looking for a genuine connection, Shouldn't she want daredevil to stick around rather than kick him out as soon as the sun rises?
No because it's only bad when women get hitted and quitted not the other way around I guess
They did at least set up that he was flying back the next day.
Just because she wants a "genuine connection" doesn't mean she doesn't also want casual and meaningless sex. It's okay when women do it.
Writing consistency? Artistic integrity?? You must be new here
So you don't know the difference between dating and one night stand, right?
One of the key distinguishing characteristics of a Mary Sue is that all "good" characters in the story will instantly like the Mary Sue, and all "evil" charachters will dislike or hate the Mary Sue instantly. When you consider that Jenn breaks the fourth wall, inviting in the audience in as a participant in the story, and the writers consider the audience to be evil... I'm starting to think this show is actually genius on an Andy Kauffman level.
Nah, that would require talent.
She Hulk: Attorney at Poe's Law
These people wouldn't even begin to understand the man on the moon
The writers are only clever when they don’t mean to be. Kinda like that guy in the half time show who drunkenly takes a full court shot and it actually sinks. It can’t be attributed to any skill, forethought, or talent.
I think, Mary Sues are often so awesome that even the bad guys can't help but to desire them. They are often envious of Mary Sue's power but will (if not fall in love with her) generally invite her to join him and rule the galaxy by his side, for example. Basically, nobody in the story really hates a proper Mary Sue because she is just so undeniably awesome.
@@Bonko78 I don’t know if this is what you mean, but I think a Mary Sues villain is in so much admiration of the Mary Sue that they can’t let them go. Like Frolo in hunchback of Norte dame. All of the villains motives revolve around either wooing, or destroying the Mary Sue, but enveloped in how much they admire the pure awesomeness of the Mary Sue.
*Matt Murdock comes in*
*me yelling at him through my phone:* GO!!! QUICK!!! GET OUT OF HERE!!! SAVE YOURSELF!!! PLEEEAAAASE!!!!
If she's Female Lawyer of the Year, and she is that bad as a lawyer, can you imagine how incompetent the rest of the legal profession is?
Foggy - "if there's a woman with questionable character in the room, Matt Murdock's gonna find her."
You haven’t even been doing this a year!? Your channel is on a great trajectory. Nice work!
I *believe* it’ll be 12 months at the end of October, but I’ll have to go back and check!
@@TheLittlePlatoon wow congrats
@@TheLittlePlatoon It's well earned dude. So glad you went to EFAP and I caught ya there. Been trying to catch up ever since, but enjoyed every snarky minute :)
@@TheLittlePlatoon Congrats! You're a welcome voice of sanity.
I’m actually glad She-Hulk came out. ☺️ The show is able to bring me ACTUAL entertainment by bringing me to this magnificent channel.
Plus i love seeing these terrible people fail over and over again. Its hilarious, especially the cope and seethe thay exposes them for the terrible people they are.
Imagine, if you will, a season long legal battle between She-Hulk and Matt Murdock, where they realize they like each other as people, despite being on opposite sides of the case. Mind you, you'd need a case with two clients that you'd want to back, despite being on opposite ends of the stick. And an understanding of legal proceedings to get a good case out of it. Not to mention... you know, Jen would need to be likeable. Done imagining it? Well that's as close as Disney will get.
Charlie Cox is a great actor and I hope the MCU will eventually use him properly.
Marvel studios *
Marvel: No.
No the daredevil born again show is going to be trash
Pretty sure he's gonna get crippled and replaced by a female DDaredevil.
what a great surname!
Remember when they made the first season of daredevil. The writers and creators really had to put in the effort to make a good daredevil show, with good writing and story building etc, because before that we had the Ben Affleck daredevil which wasn't the best portrayal. They really had to earn the fans to give their show a chance, and the extra effort paid off as we got 3 really good seasons out of it. That mindset is completely gone in phase 4.
That's why Matt's reaction to Jen not knowing *who* Daredevil is was so on point.
Like are you fucking kidding me? The Devil of Hell's Kitchen, the guy that single-handedly brought down a multi-tier organized criminal empire that was ingratiated in the very profession Jen is in....including the Kingpin of Crime... who just escaped prison.... not even a slight mention in any social circle whatsoever?
He stopped women being trafficked by the Russians. He put brakes on the Yakuza arms dealing network. He shut down one of the biggest real estate scams and extortion rings in the city being ran by executives based all around the city. He fought the Punisher, actual ninjas, and Wilson Fisk all garnering major headlines. He was blamed for an entire building to collapse in an explosion reminiscent of WTC7. He doesn't need to be Avenger level to be known.
@@RecluseBootsy The first season of Daredevil was my favorite thing to come out of Marvel in recent years. It was really interesting seeing a villain and a hero having the same essential goal (cleaning up the streets), both operating outside of the law, but in completely different ways.
REMEMBER :: Thanos and Ultron spoke lines that had meaning. Their lines are recited completely. Each word has meaning. Now tell me a meaningful line from She Hulk.
A car falling on Matt could have crippled him for months
I thought Thor: Cringe and Plunder was the lowest MCU Phase 4 could sink.
I was wrong.
And we haven't even got to _Echo_ yet.
I like Thor: A Cringy Blunder
Imagine if She-Hulk was rated R and written by the _Better Call Saul_ team.
Damn it would be cool, but it's wishful thinking.
How you dare to even think that MARVEL could hire the writer of two of the best tv shows EVER MADE?
They don't deserve him, but i get ur point
Nah.
so how fast would saul win the legal case against her
@@theunluckyful 0.0000000001 seconds
Still hilarious that Matt Murdock was able to beat her in court within 30 seconds
Honestly even ultron would be able too even spider man could
41:58 This is very clearly one of those common artist trap where the artist is too scared to make their pretty characters fully emote. It's not uncommon for some artists to keep their pretty characters in a neutral facial expression because they're afraid of making them ugly even if it would help convey how they feel. If the clip was muted, you'd have no idea what she's feeling in this moment because the artists and writers are trying their hardest to keep her perpetually perfect
I agree with the writers of this episode with regards to Hulk being right this entire time and Daredevil being right about She-Hulk not being very bright and not being a hero. It's just weird, because I voiced the same exact sentiment about her character, but everyone called me a sexist incel and told me to shut up because this show isn't for me.
Them "this show is not for you"
Me "yeah how's that working out for you?"
I guess they just enjoy mediocrity (which is too nice a word for what this really is)
They just belittle the audience that made the MCU. If your views don't match up with theirs, your sexist or some shit. We don't hate it because Jen is a woman, we hate it because the show just sucks. If it didn't have the MCU label, no one would watch it.
@@FlyyerFlyyer You people review bombed Captain Marvel 💀💀 its absolutely a gender thing
@@supermysticsonic2 I can't vouch for everyone but it has nothing to do with gender for me. Personally, captain marvel isn't bad. But in this case, She Hulk is just a bland show made by feminists. After endgame the MCU went downhill.
@@FlyyerFlyyer Yall are like the nematodes in Spongebob, constantly saying the same shit again and again with no further thought behind. Endgame wasn’t even that good of a movie and the worst movies in the MCU came before Endgame.
Great video, really touching on all the bad of this series. I'm utterly disappointed in what they did with it :D
Thanks! I fear a video touching on *all* the bad stuff would last several days…
@@TheLittlePlatoon Haah, you definitely hit the most important ones at least! ..but yes, it would last several days..
@@taker601 There are *loads* of hearts in this comment section. What are you on about?
Watching she hulk has turned the Little Platoon from a soft spoken well mannered Englishmen into a cursing sailor who has no f*?*s left to give. Bless your heart Platoon!
to the smash in vs stealth in argument. I'm amazed daredevil never pointed out; they have a hostage! seems like that be an instant win for him.
It's possible that the writers simply forgot what was happening in their own episode.
Haha, a man "win" in She-Hulk, you so funny!
Bold of you to assume that she-hulk would care about hostages.
I never knew Daredevil until seeing the Netflix show and fell in love with him. Then came the knowledge that Disney was moving him to their studio (among others), and I felt so conflicted. I didn't want this Daredevil to slip off to Development Hell, but I also had no faith at all in Disney to do him or the other Netflix-Marvel characters any kind of justice. First they tore down Kingpin, and now they are tearing down Matt. I swear to god it feels like Disney is TRYING to destroy everything good they can get their hands on. You deserved better, Matt.
Pray for Dex and Frank not to be ruined like them
To be fair, the lighter tone of Daredevil in She-Hulk feels more like Stan Lee's Daredevil. His whole, "My ass remains unwhooped." line with his cheesy ass smile feels exactly like Stan's Daredevil. Frank Miller was the one that made Matt more dark, brooding, and ignored nearly all of his villains just to give him the Spider-Man villain, Kingpin. A lot of what Daredevil is now is because of Frank Miller, but I personally prefer the lighter Stan Lee Daredevil.
@@Falkaisis Yeah, honestly I think Matt was well-portrayed in this episode. It reminded me of Mark Waid’s run tbh.
At least they didn't completely ruin him yet. He held his own admirably against a Hulk. The main problem was that he for some reason wanted to fuck her. The showrunners really are a top dog feminists for that one. The ability to be massive slores that are still somehow that desired by the top 0.1% of men is literally a feminist wet dream.
@@TheStraightestWhitest I can't help but wonder if his blindness and "disability" played into whatever equation they used to feature him. Disabled, but powerful because of it just seems like something they'd try to fit into their agenda.
The sakovia accords could have been in Falcon and the winter soldier.
Along with the discussion of whether we should keep enforcing them because of threats like Thanos. The could have dealt deeper into the philosophical debates of each side. Then the line in shehulk would have been justifiable.
Marvel is going wider instead of deeper, as the closer look pointed out, the MCU is becoming as wide as the ocean with the depth of a puddle.
21:06 was such a raw line, spoken with such sincerity and accuracy that I instantly pressed the subscribe button. Someone finally willing to stand up and say something about modern media, a true critic.
I couldn't believe she threw the car at him, like as an audience we know he's blind but that he can sense all things around him. So we end up conflicted, thinking "shit she just threw a car at a disabled man" and also knowing he can sense that, so hopefully can dodge that.
But if you don't know him, all you can assume is that you just threw a car at a man, who probably doesn't have super powers, who will probably die.
My girlfriend doesn't know daredevil, so she freaked out, absolutely gasping at it. And I get it, it's absolutely insane. She must be a villain
It’s amazing that every shot of SheHulk looks like a derpy meme.
The secret sauce here is that this isn't just about She-Hulk. It stretches critical narrative and makes it engaging, authentic, pertinent. Looking forward to your burgeoning success! One of a kind.
Kind words from my favourite Timm!
If the writers are all about female empowerment, why is the award called "Female Lawyer of the Year" instead of just "Lawyer of the Year"?
"Fanfic writers grow up"
True in a lot of fanfic writers such as myself who tried to do research as much as we can to the subjects we wanted to tackle and a lot of other fanfic writers truly honed their talents that can rival published novelists but for some reason, it's fanfic writers like E. L. James (50 Shades) and Anna Todd (After) who were adults that wrote their fanfics and got book deals in return.
It great having you in "The Club". MauLer, Drinker, ya know. You guys are hilarious and even better together. So happy I found your channel.
Best thing about this horrible show is having so many youtubers that i admire talk about it for hours lol
@@garetheckley7018If you want to call people you disagree with "incel" then you forfeit the right to any "safe place".
@@garetheckley7018 You were describing a general style of CZcams presentation, which you dub, “intrusive incel drum bashing,” but who would be the purveyors of such content, if not incels? That’s like me saying that I despise the sheer cuckoldry that your comment elicits-not calling you a cuck though, lol.
See how that doesn’t really work?
@@garetheckley7018 Get ratio'd, incel.
@@garetheckley7018 Projection at its finest. 🤡
Personally I get tremendous satisfaction that your channel is taking off and even more delight from the fact that you have to thank someone named Potato Soup for your success...lol. Congratulations.....love to hear about people changing their lives alone and in a blind panic about the future....and suddenly out of nowhere actually succeeding. Doesn't get any better than that.
I’m still expecting to wake up from a coma and realise it was all a morphine dream. But it’s been a pleasantly surprising one so far!
How to watch she-hulk
Episode 1 : *stop watching 1/4 way through*
Episode 2-7 : Skip
Episode 8: Tune in because Daredevil
Episode 9: Skip
How to watch She Hulk
Episode 1: Watch 5min, turn off and never come back to series.
"Vaguely Phaggish myself" that killed me. Very funny.
The quality of critique on this channel far outclasses She Hulk’s writing and that’s more goddamn comedic than the “comedy show” itself, good stuff Platoon.
This man and the drinker are now two of the few content creators I watch consistently.
Drinker is absolutely terrible I hope you get sick of him soon. Worst takes and passes his judgement on films before he even watches them
@@fellbeast3040 Weird point to read. Do you have an example for a „worst take“?
@@fellbeast3040 any examples? Seeing as I've gone through both of his pages haven't seen him just judge something to judge something. Let me guess he judged something near and dear to you?
@@fellbeast3040 I definetely smell shite
@@fellbeast3040 what do you care whether or not someone else gets sick of Critical Drinker? If you don’t like him, you’re free not to watch. Do you need other people to validate your decision or are you trying to turn people against him? Personally, I think he’s awesome. Instead of wishing people would stop watching The Critical Drinker, maybe you should ask yourself why CZcamsrs like him got popular in the first place. Hollywood did this to themselves. When Hollywood ignores fans, slanders them, and openly antagonizes them, the fans go elsewhere. Also, it isn’t difficult to pass judgment on these shows before watching them. The people making these shows are actually proud of their own ignorance.
First, glad to know that you have committed full-time to this fascinating work of critics (film and politics alike). Second, your voice is attractive and it actually made me interested in listening more about this abomination called She-Hulk that I would otherwise ignore. Good luck on this journey and I'm looking forward to see more video of yours.
ur commentary flow is very professional while having enough humor to not be boring (something MCU cant do lmao). Subbed
Very kind, and I’m glad to hear it!
Hats off to your video editor and script writer! Very professional.
That’s all me, so I’ll take both the hats. Thanks!
In the 2003 Daredevil movie with Ben Affleck, Matt Murdock was heavily implied to be something of a "p*ssy magnet" through conversations with Foggy during the early parts of the film (and in the Director's commentary), it is also shown that he was in a relationship just after the first Daredevil fight sequence in the first act, where we see him get dumped on his answering machine for being emotionally unavailable.
In the comics, he has had a lot of relationships with a variety of different women ranging from ordinary to extraordinary in both of his professions, some even being villains: Karen Page, Black Widow, Elektra, Typhoid Mary, and Echo to name a few. He was even married once during the Brian Michael Bendis-wordy era of the books. Nothing seriously man-sluty; that was more comics-Tony Starks area of expertise.
thanks for pointing this out lmao
Glad to hear you’re going to give this a bash full time. You have quickly became one of my favourite reviewers.
Tatiana needs to fire her agent. Such a waste of good talent. I really liked her in Orphan Black. This show is painful to watch
Imagine a show where she had to defend someone who violated the accords to save ppl and in turn got them dismissed all together because of how she won the case... Imagine if she was actually a good lawyer and this was good show.
A She Hulk Series just address this important issue could've been so much better. But instead writers were like "Let's troll the trolls" or whatever fuck that means
“Maybe Adam and Steve is a better way”, you killed me there. Your writing is still top notch.
Jen shrugs because she doesn't know who Daredevil is. Daredevil sees her shrug and is taken aback. Wait ... somethings not right here.
Still can't help watching and regretting: It's dangerous how this show has retained its initial forced compulsion of "the horrific car-wreck that you pass on the road and can't help but continue peeking at" while advancing from self-contained seppuku suicide into malgnant cancer that's infecting every cell of the Marvel being.
This is unbelievably sad. Its so awful that they made Daredevil cannon in the MCU, only for him to do this. I love Daredevil, and I want him as far away from these hacks as possible. My only course of action is dismissing this show as entirely non cannon. That's the only way to save the MCU 😭😭😭
Welcome to the pain of Star Wars fans. And now Tolkien fans, too.
"It's Radioactive" HAH that's extra funny when you remember Jen has Gamma in her blood. So she actually IS Radioactive.
Ditto on being surprised that this hasn't been an established channel for a full year as yet. I think it speaks to some serious quality that it's already this beloved. Here's to many more, sir, and I pray you'll find just as much success in the future. 🍻
I can't believe She Hulk's final boss is Reddit.
The worst thing about this episode is that, as with the interview montage, it gives us just a few brief glimpses of what they could and should have done with this show to make it less execrable. Then it pulls out the clownshoes again and does the walk of shame with them.
It seems very odd to me that after the whole Wanda in the series and on MoM situation someone wouldn't have brought out the need for the Sokovia Accords once again. After all, she was the cause of their first coming into being. Well, what do I know? Certainly the writers of this show know best lol
I just hope that this doesn't diminish her character as a whole because Jen is beloved in the comics but Marvel/Disney is hellbent on making their characters dislikable and unbearable as possible.
Well, some woll definitely have a bent view of she hulk gping forward unfortunately, but many people can recognize that curent disney is just shit. In fact, i basically consider all the nee star wars, marvel post infinity war, the new lord, the willow show, rings of power, peter pan, and the list goes on, are all non cannon fan-ficts made by hollywood losers.
Poor Tatiana. She was really good in Orphan Black.
Jessica Gao needs to be held accountable.
Congratulations on "making the leap." You, Critical Drinker, Jeremy Jahns and Robothead are my favorite reviewers--I love how you break down why something doesn't work, but you do it in this fun, intellectually smug way that makes it hilarious. You also give points where points are due, when something does work, even if the overall narrative falters. Some of the channels get too negative with it and that can get old. I think you have a great balance, and a good understanding of storytelling. Bravo!
She-Hulk fucking Dardevil has so many unpleasant metaphorical layers
Also, quite a difficult wank.
But not impossible.
13:06 Here's the direct line.
Comedy is drama. Comedy is tragedy.
This is why life long comedians, for example Robin Williams, could translate into drama so well, they're the same dance with different music. The same beats of time, the same generalized structure.
The Gilmore Girl's problem. That's what I call it when every single character in the show talks in the exact same way.
… I’ve been frustrated by the MCU lately, but what they’ve done to Daredevil genuinely hurts. The wonderful Netflix series, and all the waiting since it left Netflix for THIS…
It gets worse: they've contractually obliged him to appear in... oh god... _Echo_ .
@@rogerborg echos got a pretty stacked writing team so it might be good but the 6 episode structure garuntees it'll be rushed
I cannot go into detail how low we've gone. From fleshed out character arcs, stories, continuity and most of all, passion! It seemed like passion was once a factor when these projects were first announced, something we've never seen come together so well done before on the big screen. But, we, the audience that Disney / Marvel now hates, got them here. We, showed them the support and shoved our money down their gullets. From this, they figured they could do anything, will do anything and we'll keep spending the money. If Rings of Power taught us anything, it's we the fans, have a voice. Instead of a great storyline about mobsters wanting to kill Jennifer / She Hulk like in the comics... we get storylines about Tinder and exposed sex tapes, because that's relatable. The shills will be shills. They will clap like seals. Hopefully, the true fans will denounce this bullshit. I hope they go bankrupt like they've already been creatively. This show is dog shit, it's awful, and it's a fuck you to the audience.
I recall that being a small plot point in the Nolan Batman films, the mob going after the DA who Bruce had a thing for.
They say if you don't like it don't watch it, but every one of these shite shows displaces the potentially great show that could have been made and that drives us to anger.
you're not a true fan. you've been ideologically weaponized. you're just an npc now. congrats
@@MediumRareOpinions You know, that's the fucked up part, because this could be a great show.... This could be an amazing show. People think we hate this shit because it's female, because it's "woke", etc etc... Why can't it be, we hate it because the potential you had for it, you threw out the fucking window.
Marvel has always been garbage. Are you really surprised that it’s only gotten worse?
This is how all things evolve; once they get too much success and bring in too much money, the 'money people' get involved, and the quality obviously degrades in their quest to 'appeal to as many people as possible,' and thus 'make as much money as possible.' This, ironically, kills what was once great and lowers long term profits. I guess short term is all they care about; they'll milk a dead cow until its utters implode
YOU PROMISED DUDE. You said this show wasn't worth it. Why...
It got bad in some new and notable ways. Plus, a bit of light relief. The Rings of Power videos are bloody hard work!
@@TheLittlePlatoon Well , that's true. Still all your videos are amazing nonetheless.
Hey he did warn us in the second video that he was THAT much of a whore. No judgment tho dude. 😜
I'm a Mensan Millionaire UCLA SOM Trained Boarded Psychiatrist, and I truly enjoy your discussion of this useless series.
A brilliant job of critical work, as a pearl grows from a constant irritant.
Daredevil did have more than your normal amount of “hookups” for a Marvel Super hero.
Electra, an on/off with Black widow during the same time, while also having an on/off with a girl named Karen Page, who got hooked on Heroin & sold out his Secret Identity to Kingpin, and this was all in the 80’s Frank Miller run.
Karen was treated like a “doormat”, while DD pined for Electra, while Black Widow pined for DD, it was complicated for an 80’s comic.
Totally disagree with your takes.
She-Hulk actually makes me more interested in the MCU than ever before, because now I yearn to find a real Space-Time GPS and make it like I never watched this show at all.
Lawl
You had me in the first half, not going to lie.
Anyone else have heart palpations after the first 15 or so words? 😄
:))))))
I find the sheer lack of self-awareness in this show quite fascinating, that even its (supposedly) positive characters could embody so many negative female stereotypes without realizing it. The writers make a big deal out of those pesky, scary internet men with their reddits of rape and their blogs of bile, but I doubt even the most chauvinistic pick-up artist could top this show's views.
Also, congratulations on the success of your channel! I subscribed just the other week after a mention from the Critical Drinker, and I devoured all your critique videos in a day. I may not be a MCU fan, or a Trekkie, or even that into LOTR, but your analysis of each is a joy to listen to.
Don’t underestimate the horror of the pick-up artist’s mentality.
So glad you are taking the leap into full time creation! Best of luck and look forward to seeing more of your work.
I actually feel bad for Tatiana Maslany... she's a GREAT actress. Literally did like 6 clones for Orphan Black with completely different personalities. When I heard she was doing She-Hulk I was beyond excited but they did her dirty with this writing. This tv show could've been so much more.
I have to imagine the "I'm Daredevil - " scene was inspired by a direct cut-and-paste of the writer's reaction to someone suggesting "what if we bring Daredevil in for a cameo?"
A candle that burns twice as bright, lasts half as long... The MCU died a long time ago. What remains is just a husk where talentless hacks are just puppeteering its corpse around hoping to ride on some of its former glory
It soared high, experienced catastrophic engine failure, the pilot bailed out and were watching it in free fall while the remaining crew continue to push buttons in the cockpit while insisting everything is "fine"
@@MediumRareOpinions What you just described honestly sounds more entertaining.
@@f4lenwarrior I find it's often difficult to stop watching a disaster on progress out of morbid curiosity
@@MediumRareOpinions I think that is what Disney and other soulless corporations like Amazon, are banking on from most of us, to be so enraptured by the disaster that they can claim viewership's to the investors. Sadly for us the bulk of people they actually depend on are clapping seals wanting another rancid fish to suck on.
LOL at the "INTERNET BILL, HYDRO BILL and CABLE BILL".
Oh, look honey, the Internet Bill arrived.
I must say it is an absolute joy you are going to do these full-time. I wish you the best of luck
I loved this topic, but there's just so much to say so I'll keep it to one prevailing thought I have. The fact that people 'have hope' for the new Daredevil series... Guys, it could have the exact same crew attached to it, but now it's under the direct guide of Disney+. The best we can expect from it is that it's not any less than 'decent' and I don't want just decent from Daredevil after what we've gotten.
Also he's literally doing the 'virgin Daredevil' walk posture.
And they're threatening to give us Born Again... _again_ . Are they just going to straight up re-film the Netflix series?
If they can do andor, they can do daredevil, andor is a complete surprise
@@thegreatTBA Andor is also a different beast. No one cared about Andor, people cared about Daredevil.
@@thegreatTBA Keep in mind they can also do Obi-Wan and Boba Fett.
I’m scared what they’ll do to Percy Jackson 😢😢
"Homo Mode" is a classic
It’s also a setting. There’s a switch for it somewhere.
@@TheLittlePlatoon Around the "Gooch" region I believe.
@@TheLittlePlatoon Mine is labelled "Zuby".
i was blind sided and utterly surprised by the "how can jet fuel melt steel beams" reference, but a welcome one to be sure lmfao
"... my inflammable suit with a 900 degree threshold is on FIRE"
well that makes sense since inflammable means easily set on fire
Future art historians will call this current phenomenon (the same that's happening to every cinematic franchise, it seems) the Rise of Content. Would love to see/hear your thoughts on the effect(s) that the rise of streaming platforms (and the corresponding decline of theater attendance) have had on cinema in general, and film franchises in particular. I'm of the opinion that all of these streaming releases (S-H, RoP, HotD, etc) are just glorified TV shows, rather than anything even remotely resembling actual cinema, and they'd be better served with experienced TV writers/producers. Anyways- happy for your success, you certainly deserve it.
They are TV shows. Episodic, multiple, similar length features that have a narrative thread through all features. They're television shows. And bad ones.
The fact that this show has got you questioning whether or not Women as a whole were a mistake is comedy gold.
they are chi ldren
If one show makes you question if millions of people with that gender of a fictional character is a mistake then it's not on the show at that point, it's on you yourself. I don't even like this show but come on, your seriously questioning all women now for this fictional character? 💀
@@Lovefortea448 yes e eu nem sou americano
@@Lovefortea448 that's nice
Do you have a link to your Only Fa ns and/or Seeki ng Arrange ments?
@@Lovefortea448 This show is a representation of western women, a staggeringly accurate one.