HOW Porsche Actually Set Nurburgring Lap Records (Everything Explained)
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- čas přidán 13. 08. 2023
- How Porsche and Manthey really set their Nurburgring lap times here with the Porsche GT4 RS MR
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Those full throttle corner exits were....
...you fill in the blanks, because I'm speechless.😐😍😅
Just so everyone knows, out of the top 15 best lap times in Nurburgring, 9 of them were done in Porsches, and 4 of them were in Manthey cars
Yea, Porsche always been on the top of the list for track cars 👍🏻
As good as Porsche is with suspension and especially the correct geometry for the job at hand. They definitely are lacking in interior
@@Josh-hr5mc well,they are sportscars. Performance comes first, then the rest.The design is minimal and purposeful. Also the materials are amazing, IMHO better than the rest of the germans.
Mr JWW love your channel, discovered you during the last GumBall. Specifically prior to it when you were spending time with Damon and Dave from DDE. Funny I had first seen Shmee 150 and followed him on Gumball where I saw you and DDE. Since I have watch you and DDE much more than Tim. Tim has his lane and you have yours. And of course DDE went the way of Ken Block to find their lane. I love the way you are heading with both of your channels and I really learned to appreciate and now love DDE. In your humble refined opinion what do you think of the shade Tim sent DDE’s way at Gumball? It doesn’t seem like it has worked it’s way out. Maybe you could mediate a truce between them during Monterey Car week?? Just a suggestion, I appreciate your gentlemanly style in this crazy exotic car games. I have watched all of your new stuff and now I am going back and watching older posts. Thank you
@@Josh-hr5mc wow thank you mr.obvious. They're track oriented cars, not Rolls-Royce.
I’ve watched countless ‘Ring laps; Misha’s channel, Apex, amateur posters and records by Porsche, Mercedes, Renault, Hyundai etc. but I’ve never heard throttle application like this?!
It really struck me as sounding so different, let alone looking at the (excellent) graphics. Is it the engine response, car characteristics or driving style? Go back and have a listen (even; eyes shut?) and see if others get it!
What a car. What a team. What a channel! 🎉🎉🎉
@Bezos-cp9gk Oh, shut up. Proselytising is so 19th Century! BTW, sorry to break it to you, chap (though if you wake up it might save a wasted life hoping and building for what isn’t there) but not only is there NO evidence for your Allah, ever (no, claims and books by men are not evidence!) but Mohammed would be the last person I’d point to, to encourage others. A lying, child abusing, murderous brigand and charlatan. Worthy of praise and respect? Hell, no!
It's probably a combination of multiple things.
1) Naturally aspirated Porsche engines have basically ZERO torque. The 4L flat 6 makes 331 lb-ft of wheel torque at a peak of 6750RPM. This means you need to wring their necks out to get any performance, but it also means you can apply full throttle all the time and almost NEVER break the rear tires loose. For comparison, the C8 Z06 engine makes more than 400lb-ft at the rear wheels from 3500RPM ALL the way up to 7500RPM. And so the Z06 requires a much more precise right foot.
2) The GT3RS is rear-engined, but the GT4RS is mid-engined. Better weight distribution also equals being able to go full throttle more easily.
3) This has even MORE downforce than the GT4 does - which ALSO means you can go wide open any time you want without breaking traction.
4) Full gas pedal =/= physically wide open throttle body, depending on the mapping of the engine. You could be foot to the floor but the mapping might be set to 90% max open.
5) Porsche factory racing drivers - Jorg Bergmeister (the one who drove this particular lap), Kevin Estre, and others - have a well-deserved reputation for going literally 110% on the track, all the time. If you look at the 919 Evo video, it's the same there too. So this lap doesn't surprise me in the least.
@@spdcrzywhat do you mean by "basically zero torque"? I don't get it, how's that possible?
@@Siatkowkarzadzi It's not literally 0 torque, 331 is still a lot to a layman, but for a performance car, this figure is quite low for peak torque. I basically get the same from my decade and a half old stock mustang, and with the downforce, suspension, and weight distribution of the gt4rs, that torque really isnt gonna give u any trouble except on the launch, and even then its very negligible. There is basically zero torque, because its not something youre having to tip toe around when driving it.
Misha doesnt know how to drive, he`s a fast amateur..
Watching those Apexes were epic. How can you not be a Porsche fan.
@Bezos-cp9gk 🤣😆😂
Great insights/behind the scenes! Thanks!
Absolutely loved the slow spread of glee on your face as you heard the full chat start of the lap!
Fantastic video! 🤩🤩🤩
Love this! Morse of this and Time Attack
Absolutely insane drive.
😎😎😎👍👍👍👍
Very cool insight.
Epic vid. To bad the epic driver Jörg Bergmeister was not on it for a few Words. What an epic lap, smash lap right there. 🤘🏻👌🏻🤩
Wow amazing driver top!
WOW! He was hammering that lap.
My dream is to go for a ride there one day! Great video s always!
When I see the Manthey rims in the first shot, it's clear that the sht about to go down.
WOW AWESOME INCREDIBLE SUPERB TOP
WELL GOOD MORNING GUYS THAT'S ONE AWESOME BEAUTIFUL CAR ! THE VIDEO JAMES FANTASTIC THANK YOU AND THE GUY'S , LOST FOR WORDS 🤓 WATCH THE VIDEO 3 TIMES ! SO I DID NOT MISS A THING GREAT CAR TRACK , LOVE THE HAT , REGARDS TO YOU AND YOUR FAMILY'S TAKE CARE GUYS C U ! GOING TO WATCH IT AGAIN
Holy shit, talk about a commited lap! What a run! 💪👍🔥🔥
wow so cool can't wait fr what they do with the gt3rs!!!!!
What a run
Mr JWW Absolutely Incredible Video I think it's awesome that you got to see the Behind the scenes of that Absolutely Gorgeous 718 Cayman GT4RS getting prepared to brake that Record
Really cool day
Ayo James, I saw your Yellow GT3 at Manthey :D
Just Mega!
Dude from Manthey has some excellent hair/beard game.
Grade A beard game
Cool, this was interesting video, every time Manthey is telling some info, it is interesting to listen those details
@Bezos-cp9gk 🤣🤣🤣 right
my yardstick for a production car here is the Viper @ 7:01 and that’s a manual - I did think this was going to be faster, damn close 👌
Bro!? That was "just"' a GT4RS....impressive!
The viper’s time is on the older layout. On that layout this is a sub7 car
Porsche... excellence is expected!!
James the German Manthey guy looks like he could be your older brother + 4 years . 🙂
I need that hat !
Sound very different from a stock GT4 RS!!… any exhaust mods?
I like the guy from Manthey!
I AM like the guy from Manthey!
As I also mess up the sensitive/sensible words! 😂
how many km pccb can do on track?
One hellova driver. Wow!
Ford says they’re going to top that with the new Mustang GTD. I wonder!
I think you forgot to mask the car jack on your thumb.😊
MEGA VIDEO! :) I was also there and it was awesome to watch .. AND i had to laugh about the same situation when everybody (from MANTHEY) got from relaxed to serious in just seconds :-D Such a great Car .. LOVE IT!
What PTS color is that? Albert Blue??
Awesome to see Jörg still pushing it. Glad I had the opportunity to compete and then work with him during my time in motorsports. Really good guy.
Looking at the wheel well it seems there was rubbing on the inside front corner. Could this have caused the tire failure?
not the same car, not the same modifications...
@@pr0blemi-gear83 Is it true it was a manthey car trying to set lap times?
@@jeoboden it was a car from a tyre maker. Manthey had nothing to do with it. The tyre exploded from a puncture due to debris on the track. Emergency service was in less than 5min on the sceney sadly it was too late
@@pr0blemi-gear83 goodyear yeah. thats what misha said but possibly they have to set good time to be a supplier contract
No double wishbone ? Guess I shouldn’t underestimate Macpherson struts?
love manthey team!
When do you get to Monterey Car Week?
Looking forward to seeing you and DDE together for some laughs.
Drive starts Wednesday!
💪👍🏁
You know its not an Official Lap Record unless its Debunked by our Comrad Boosted Borris! 😆
What
Track weaponry
Just brilliant 👏👏👏🇦🇺
The info displays says track length 20,000 kms? 😆 But a good run though, thanks for the awesome video
In Europe a comma is used as a decimal point 😉
Great video. A look behind the scene 👍
What is the difference between Manthey an Weissach?
The stock sound is beautiful. One can’t get tired of Porsche GT content on tracks
Never ever stock exhaust.
@@h3lldriver367yes it is. Just check every GT4RS video you will see. It’s the loudest car in the cabin
@@CLSTRN911 Believe me, i own one of those GT4RS. The external noise from the exhaust ain't stock. And yes, cabin sound is brutal even with a helmet on after 7-8 laps on the Ring.
Does the GT4 RS share the same motor as the GT3 RS? or GT3 Base?
Gt3 belive
slightly detuned GT3 base; 500 hp instead of 510
Wasnt a good lap though since the conditions seemed slippery and not that grippy. Also cold start 1st lap instead of zoning in and then giving it all. I guess it can run faster
I am reading that right? Does it say a track length of 20k kilometres not metres?
In german the comma has the same function as a point, it´s 20.8 km.
Just some very german need for accuracy down to 3 digits after the decimal point. 😅🤷♂
Wow nice performance 👏
That speed is perfect from factory. These mods just make it soooo much more aggressive and stunning. She’s gotta be so much fun to run on the ring.
That thing is gorgeous
these guys have the best jobs
Slightly faster than the Nevera lol
James, your content is the best on CZcams. Whether it’s the main channel or the Uncut it always leaves you wanting more! Can’t wait for the Monterey car week content 👌🏻
Thank you 🙏🏼 car week content coming in hot!
dang what color is that?
PTS Tauros Blue
It has more in it 😁
Why is this cars top speed in 7th gear 172.36 mph? Did they change the final gear ratio?
Yes!
Shame on GT7 for not including Monthey as a manufacterer.
Like the look of straight vent above the front bumper more then then then the nostrils on the gt3 911. Which are most definitely more functional
R.I.P to the two Porsche Drivers.
is it boy or girl... asking by Misha... :D :D :D :D .... nice lap
Tell me you're cheating without telling me you're cheating:
Même pas 300 kmh sur la ligne droite 😢
Oh wait this might be a language that flips commas and decimals
By the minimum corner speeds it looked a lot faster than 7m03. Is so much time lost on the straights? It seemed to pull more than fine, I even wonder whether new aero bits helped the engine breathe better at speed.
7th gear looks useless almost. Does it make more sense in Autobahn cruising at normal speeds?
6 seconds faster with the MR kit sure is significant!
I think there's a bit more time to be gained. At some parts he was a not fully on it so I'm hoping by the time developments are done there will be improvement on the time.
@@rofhiwamuthivha3159 Indeed, some slower corners just didn't seem totally committed. The high speed stuff, where less time is gained or lost, seemed pretty good. MIght also be a chassis that relies a lot of the improved downforce, doesn't quite have the best mechanical grip?
Will such further developments then also be part of the customer kits? None installed yet?
Maybe you´re thinking of a standard BTG time as most people run. The BTG runs are about 1.5 km shorter than the Porsche did here.
But conditions didn´t seem to be ideal as well with some wet parts, but not sure. Just a thought. 😉
@@Schmitzelhaus I am not confused with BTG. I have seen full laps in record attempts and the minimum speeds as they appear on the speedo we more typcially see with cars way sub 7 full lap. I may be delusional :-D
As an American I still very much prefer my big front engine, high horsepower, V8 sports cars but, of I was too ever buy a foreign car, it would 100% be a Porsche. I truly do not think there is a better made car, in the world, than these Porsche's. Outstanding video as always
Porsche is king.
First like 😂
Congratulations Manthey! Well done
Should we send the blue or pink gift basket...LOL
Best of the video is Thorsten complaining about the GT4RS brakes in the background. ;)
James, really appreciated the informative/explanations of how Porsche set their cars up for lap records. Brilliant brand for sure... Congratulations' too Manthey for their contribution to Porsche. Cheers from Portland, Oregon USA
For those wondering - This is about the 22nd fastest lap by a production car. Lap Record is 6:30.705
No it’s not because it’s the MR version here and a lot of previous laptime with older cars were done on the 20.6km and not 20.8km like now. On 20.6km this car did 6:58 ( and 7:03 on the 20.8km ) and so if we talk about PRODUCTION car it’s the 15nd fastest ! Just between the 488 pista ( 7:00 on 20.8km ) and the Viper ACR ( 7:01 but on the 20.6km so the cayman is faster by 3s )
@@CLSTRN911 Thanks for the Info! i was wondering why there were 2 times!
@@CLSTRN911wheres the 200m in difference come from? What changed?
And some manufacturers are banned from setting a record.
@@nielsoudegriep2900in the beginning. Before, we started the chrono at the end of the straight line just before the first corner. Now, the chrono starts at the beginning of the straight line !
GADDAYUM!!!!.....
Epic content as always huge thanks to Manthey and congratulations to the whole Manthey team with their accomplishments with Porsche.
Who can explain to me what is the purpose of all this?
It’s to test and guarantee that a small car is still fully safe enough for grandma to go to the shops in, with a small child as passenger, in case of hazards such as bumpy roads or oddly cambered corners. Porsche delegate some Due Diligence on casual and domestic road use to MR.
1st🎉
281 v. max
For a spot of context is that a good time?
Lol just what I was thinking 😂
This is about the 22nd fastest lap by a production car. Lap Record is 6:30.705
Also for context….
In the standard GT4 RS Jörg Bergmeister, Porsche brand ambassador and development driver, lapped the 20.832-kilometre Nürburgring Nordschleife in 7 minutes 9.3 seconds. That’s just 9.4 seconds off the time of the 991 GT3 (992 generation). As for comparisons to the lap time of the GT4, the RS lapped the slightly shorter 20.6km version of the track 23.6 seconds faster.
The car is understeery to begin with why would it need more downforce at the rear?
This is how Manthey does it, not Porsche
Shows you don't need racing gloves to go fast.
BRO LOVE’S HIS RED AND WHITES, EH 😅 DAMN! TOUCHES EVERY TIME FOR EVERY INCH.
HE HAD … 7TH.. THAT WHOLE TIME BOUNCING OFF RED IN THE FINAL STRETCH?? BRO.
MISSING TOP AVERAGE SPEED… 😢
I’ve just gone to heaven.
amazing! porsche is the best!
Why is the host so nervous?
Were you there for the crash?
You mean Manthey?
Its insane how much early throttle you can give it in mid corner and the car just rotate, the blance of this thing is sublime.
gotta stay in the power, with the long gears and relatively low torque down low it makes sense.
Interesting how they are using the regular GT4 front bumper side pieces and added canards rather than using the stock GT4RS side aero pieces.
I HVE ALWAYS LIKED PORCHE… BUT LOVED THE CARS AFTER ONE CRUCIAL AD : “BECAUSE I VAS GOING VAY TO FAST IN MEIN PORCHE!” - SUPERTROOPERS 😂
Fun seeing Misha in the center of it all at the end. He has come a long way since the first videos of Boosted Boris on Tim's channel.
he is a manthey fanboy as well 😄
You need to improve video quality
The onboard footage is the official camera for records. There is no other way.
it is not his camera on the lap. go some videos back and ser when he drives his porsche and Yaris
Didn't look very stable under braking to be honest. 😳
He had to fight and correct the car in every heavy braking zone.
So how is it a record if it’s not a stock car anymore
It’s a stock car. The MR package is a factory Porsche option ( Porsche Tequipment ) since like 2 years now and Every other manufacturers have also a track pack like McLaren with the 720s, Nissan with the GT-R, Ferrari with the 296 and sf90,…
@@CLSTRN911 was a lil confused. Gracias
Porsche...there is NO substitute.