Martin Logan ESL 13A Electrostatic HiFi Speakers Info & DEMO I Visit PMC HQ PART 2
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- čas přidán 6. 09. 2024
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In this video I visit PMC Speakers HQ in England to find out more about them becoming the UK Distributor for the full range Martin Logan speakers and subwoofers.
While I was there I found out a lot more about Martin Logan as a company and got to have a listening session with some of their flagship Electrostatic based speakers - A lot of this in part of One of this video series - make sure to go and watch that as well - link below
The Songs used in this video are
Liberty - Anette Askvik - geni.us/4LoGIS
Perfect Darkness - Live from Union Chapel - Fink geni.us/CMjVfiI
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This is the best sound recorded on youtube I have ever heard.
Cheers man, you will find a lot of very high quality recordings on my channel, like a LOT :)
@@PursuitPerfectSystem well, you are a man of culture when it comes to recording speaker
@@dhruvmeena96 thank you :)
@@PursuitPerfectSystem Which mic are you using here Sir?
Hey mate, do you know what amps they were running? Trying to find a good pairing for my 13a's, love your channel by the way.
Sounds beautiful. Sounds spectacular!!!! My friend had a pair of those… when he passed from Covid they were left behind. He adored those speakers.. he had just bought them with a McIntosh receiver. Even the best things in life can’t be taken with u.
It might be that electro waves from speakers spread eletromagnetic signals that were used to spread virus in air.
The Sound of Martin Logan Speaker are Absolutely Incredible! I couldn't get away from those Sweet, Airy, Transparent and Pure sound.😘❤
It's truly another level of Addiction. 😊
Electrostatic speakers are for people who love vocals and clarity of sound. Sitting in the sweet spot feel like you are bathe in the music. This is from my limited time with these speakers. These speakers are quite reveling in the details.
This might be the best system demo I've heard on CZcams. Everything sounds so natural. Must be a great room too!
Maybe these are the speakers / speaker technology for you / the system for you. You will find a lot of videos with this level of recording quality in my channel. I think I do it the best :) Thanks for commenting
The Triangle speakers sound pretty good too. The horn tweeter floor standers. Great treble! The worst treble for 10 grand speakers are the Cube Audio speakers. Terrible S sounds and harsh upper med.
You should hear Kenrick Sound Demos. I've yet to hear anything that comes close on CZcams.
I was actually shocked listening on my Logitech z2300. Amazing demo!
What I love about Electrostats is how close they sound to real life. As a professional musician whenever I listen to them, I’m like “Wow that’s what it sounds like when you’re sitting in front of the instrument.” No dynamic driver speaker has ever given me that feeling.
People always say that you cant get a sense for the sound through a youtube video. I would mostly disagree. If done with care you can get a sense of the speaker through what your used to listening through, your own sound solution. Thanks for the sound demo, even listening from my house it was enjoyable. ML's are spicy, certainly a technology that can augment your experience.
I totally agree a hifi system creates sound and you can record that sound the same as any other sound
@@PursuitPerfectSystem True
it's official. The inexpensive earphones that came with my mid-tier smartphone is fantastic-sounding! Impressive soundstage you got in that room! Thanks for sharing this vid!
My 4" full range driver speakers sound pretty good on this too.
@@Justwantahover not that surprising though
There is nothing better than the sound of ESL speakers
ATC? They are also very analytic.
@@keeperofthereign Oooof dry and flat
I have auditioned the ESL 13 A, on my side of the pond (USA). Their strong suit is clear transparency and wide sound stage. Their weakness is their overall lack of cohesiveness in mid range and bass frequencies. However, I must confess that I am not a huge Electrostat fan. As always, great job in capturing the sound reproduction of these speakers in that particular setting. Your experience and expertise with room acoustics comes through in the production of your videos. Thank you, and continue your marvelous work.
David Rivera Glad you have herd these for real and Terry has captured the sound well ~ that’s a win for him with Mic recording set up....
Yeah, many say that, but in my experience and since I DO own a pair of ESL 9's, that single xover point at 380 Hz. is perfectly 'out of the way', and they worked VERY hard at Martin Logan to make a damn GREAT crossover with the finest components. It is a two way speaker like no other ((O:
A questi livelli (ma non solo) parlare di poca coerenza e' solo una moda sorpassata...io ho degli Ascent ma sto cercando dei Montis o Summit X da alimentare con i miei 20 watt in classe A Luxman... Non dimentichiamo poi che la 13a possiede l'ARC...! 👍.@@garysmith8455
Absolutely, the clearest sounding speakers I have herd on any CZcams channel.
Then try Kef, even better
I'm a little speechless.....very accurate realistic sound.
Truly amazing, but it is fair to say, that with this masterly recorded music it is not the hardest of all tests. the resolution is a class of its own. congrats. very good channel.
My god ... this is heaven !!!
I went to BB Magnolia 8yrs ago and they have Summit X hookup to Mcintosh the guy did a demo where I can actually feel the bass guita notes hit me on the chest. An experience will never forget. Great speaker combo with Mcintosh is out of these world.
Hi Terry
I’ve recently had the pleasure of a demo of a pair of Martin Logan electrostatic speakers at my local hifi store ( Soundcraft hifi ) and these are unbelievable from the sound the image and the atmosphere these create personally I’ve never heard anything like this , I understand at £18,000 for the ones I listen to that’s a crazy amount of money but even if you purchased bowers Wilkins top of the range I don’t think they would compare to these electrostatic speakers
Great video great sound :)
Sound Advice I wanna be so sure that the top of the line models are the Nautilis for 250,000 each the price isn’t the thing those were incredible sounding speakers as well
Very nice job capturing the sound from the speakers using a microphone.
This is the best demo I've heard. The Martin Logans really bring it on very naturally. None of the boomy bass that the other high end boxed speakers.
bravo magnifique!! et bravo pour votre travail de qualité! (pursuit perfect)
Finally ! The Holy grail of High-End system ~
I have always loved ML panels, sound and aesthetics with that semitransparent electrostatic panel. Once I heard a pair of Ascent MK2 driven by two mono class A amps in a big attic and the sound was so pure and transparent, the only caveat if that word is correct here is that they had to be removed from front walls at least 1'5 to 2 meters.
I always been space constrained so ML never got to my house but that pair of class-A monoblocks ended in my home. Sony TA-NR1s, the most beautiful amps ever been made, in what I'm concerned.
I've had a pair of ascent i's for a couple years and they still surprise me
@@mserlin yeah, sure! They can do it.
It’s sounds really clear, crisp and very open. I have briefly heard the ESL X and found the sound to be a little dry. But they do fill a room with sound and they do it really well.
Need to audition the Martin Logan properly. Great video!
there has to be synergy between the source, pre-amp and amplifier. These speakers souns stunning!
STUNNING SOUND! Cut #2 was spectacular on my headphones....🙃🙃🙃🤩
After years of trying,,, The Mark Levinson 585 was the integrated that made the ESL-13A’s sing. Good DAC too!
First time I heard a set of this company's speakers was back in 1989. They still impress me.
They unbelievably super clean
This is most well recorded sound i ever heard on youtube......
Thanks for the video. It’s hard to appreciate the sound quality from a video but I’m really intrigued by this speaker setup. I own a couple of pairs of ML (No ESL 13 though) and for best results I would use far less toein, set them further apart (at least one foot) and pull the couch back and sit on it. I also agree with Harry Fishnuts, this platform between the speakers did probably affect the soundstage. Once again thank you for this video
I am listening to them through the JBL L112, and I can see how sweet these speakers are, they have good dispersion, good bass, and a lot of power. I have the JBL L112, three AR3a speakers, the Quad 2905, and the Tannoy 15 ", but ...
Got to love the bug flying by at 836🤓 great speakers but not if you want to listen and move freely around the room. A great sit in a dedicated seat listen from my limited experience. You move a foot and a lot of treble disappears. Of course the bigger and wider units display less of this but also at a cost 3 to 4X. Width with these speakers means everything it seems! Although I have limited experience with these, I know more than a few people who have owned or used to own these speakers and claim the same thing! Great informative video!
that's no mear bug that was a very angry wasp that seemed to get much more angry when the music stopped funny enough.
I was very brave and didn't run off scared hardly at all :)
@@PursuitPerfectSystem lucky you that that wasp wasn't Asiatic 🤣
I had to chuckle at the PMC signage in the room. Electrostatic clarity is awesome. Trade-offs of course, but for some it's a great choice.
I have a pair of these. Magical speakers. I compared them to a lot of other box speakers at a local high-end store. No comparison for feeling like you're there. As for the bass, I think a lot of people stating that it's bloated and not well integrated have only heard old ML's. I had Ascent I's before these, and would agree about those. These are a different animal!
BTW, 10" woofers that take them down to 24 Hz.
We have the pleasure to have this one, gamut d200i amp, vtl 5.5II preamp tubes with nos, thorens td550&koetsu rosewood, naim nds and super line, transparent reference xl gen5 cables and filters, our loudspeakers we just changed inside the capacitors which are solen 250v a cheap but good one but the change for clarity caps makes a huge difference !!!!
I have 5 MLs, in my home theater/listening room. I love them and wouldn't want anything else for the price.
Can they deliver high enough SPL for a mid-sized HT room? How about sound dispersion? Do your 5 MLs cover well all seats in your HT or is it focused on your main seat? Im considering 7 of their EFX on-wall panels coupled with 2 subs for my 3,600 ft3 HT room.
Congratulazioni per la testona pelata in primo piano - fortunatamente fuori fuoco - bravissimi.
I've got a pair of MLs. They are perfect ones to listen to opera, classical music and jazz.
Wonderfull demo and good quality recording for youtube. Most of all thank you soo mutch for not picking songs one can listen through an ociloscope. Been to shows and seen enough reviews with the demo songs are just random sounds..
Very interesting you have my ears twitching, you cant judge a speaker just by a youtube or internet blast however i have to say they do sound rather special i would be keen to hear them live now that could be a real eye opener, good video terry nice one
I have left, right and center ML ESL and I am very pleased with them...once you have ESL...you don't consider cone speakers anymore.
Steve Jobs: All you needed was a cup of tea, a light, and your stereo, you know, and that's what I had.
They certainly Pique my interest just by the Clarity they provide to my PC System.
Same here :)
Even my Q's 3030i sounds expensive now 😁. Nice review !
Major-Breakthrough for Electrostatic Loudspeakers
New Final Audio Model 15 Electrostatic Loudspeakers
Ooh man, these sounds so beautiful
Fabulous presentation Terry.
Instead of coffee, I'd be having a beer a or a glass of wine.
that would have been my preference as well but I had to drive home haha
Obviously...ahah!
You know copying a paper degrades the quality and if you copy the copy it gets even worse for every time you repeat it. They sound good because they almost sound like the original recording. Fantastic speakers.
Room sounds great!! =) Nice review and demo =) Thank you..
Wow, even through CZcams, it sounds excellent compared to other demos I heard on your channel. However, I think I’m hearing the bass detached from other frequencies.
You are likely more used to my tight room sound and setup - these speakers at £19k in this larger room presents sound very differently - Logans do that anyway
@@PursuitPerfectSystem You are absolutely right. I think it's the room effect. Lovely sounds by the way. I've never considered MartinLogan but your video changed my mind about the brand.
I've heard a similar sized ML before at a friend's place. Sounded decent enough from the short time I heard it :)
HOW MANY DECIBLE CAN IT DELIVER?
@@pracheerdeka6737 From my OWN experience with the pair of ESL 9's in my listening room and Parasound A-21 (400w per ch), they will play as loud as you can stand it, trust me. No one believes, until they come to my listening space and hear for themselves ! IMPRESSIVE in every way (O:
So how do ML get their Subwoofer to keep pace with the lightning fast Electrostatic Panels ?...surely the dynamics are sacrified for Clarity ?
Beautiful
Pursuit Perfect System, Persuit can stop here
hahaha what would I do for videos then :)
Would be great if you would link the Rest of the parts that has been used . Dac and preamp, amp and vinyl
Great speakers had them ,but at high volume very power hungry.."Sounded great on close to the edge Yes" album . But Traded in for Goldenear Triton 2s floorspeakers...good review....
My only objection with Martin Logan is prices have skyrocketed to obscene levels. Raising their prices far above inflation is unreasonable and reduces customer demand which is something they'll come to regret.
18K without an amp and then you night another 20K for monoblocks.
What are the amps behind each speaker; mono blocs; kindly share all the components of the system; I own the 13A couldn’t be happier; thinking of upgrading to Michi X-5 integrated
I was all set to pull the triger on klipsch, then I listened to ML.
Would like to audition a pair. They sound pretty transparent. But I wish for once when viewing any of these high end systems..why not more interesting music.Sorry let's see/ hear what they sound per say dynamic music..Weather Report " Heavy Weather "..ELP Jerusalem either version live or studio.
They are really bad ass! The only thing was testing pmc i still have shitty room and bass sometimes is boomy, placement is not ideal triangle!
I didn't believe that my PC Realtec was able to play so well =)
Thanks for sharing. Excellent sound! Can you share the rest of the hardware? Amps, preamp, etc.... Thanks very much
Yes please
Not complaining to you terry but im gonna lose if it i have to hear this song one more time in audiophile circles! But thanks for the great recording and yea i want the speakers
This sounds awesome!!!!
I remember the first time I heard ML speakers. I went home and told my wife, “God lives in Kansas.”
Sounds Great.. wow
Yeah ,
They sound great but always when there's an esl demo you always hear ' soft ' light ' music , why ?
Are ML not capable to bring other kind of music ?
I mean for example a great symphony or church organ music with deep bass or popmusic ?
A back to back comparison with the SCM50A would be amazing, but I assume not easy to arrange. I consider the ATC speakers to be extremely revealing, can the Logan's reveal even more?
Where ML lacks is in bass. But great for acoustic guitar and voice. ML should consider building a set of Hi end classical guitar speakers to compete against bose towers.
Wow.....i just listen in cheap AKG headphone but can feel the audio quality in the demo room , on youtube with so many limitation ....are they drive with mono block amp units ?
i have with my ref's 5 the same bryston gear at my place ( bdp-3 bda-3 14b3 cubed amp ) wonderful equipment
Clean👍🏻👍🏻
It sounds so good on my cheap headphones. I love these sort of dumb comments.
These were the best sounding speakers at the Florida audio expo in my opinion. The only problem is that the screens may have to be replaced as early as 5 years. They will sound great until that middle film wears out.
I have M/L Aeon i for 13 years , not needed yet. Florida, a/c. So no problems yet.
only 5 year warranty is a let down from ML for not cheap speakers
Very nice.
Jesus, amazing sound. Wish I had that much space!
Despite The PowerEd sub, Is this model better than the aerius? By what margin? Thank you , great video
Excelente.
My Polk RTI 10s will have to do for now. Till I win the lottery
I've been a Polkie since the early 80's....just ordered a pair of M.L.'s ESL 8s.....my first trip away from Polks......however the Polks will remain in my theater room and the ESL for 2 channel music listening.
You know what song would be perfect for these? Lee Ritenour - Papa was a Rolling Stone
Professional vid！
Hi there Terry. I am watching this for the second time around since it's release date, and I am very surprised at the errors made in the opening presentation explaining the Martin Logan range. First off, the measurement of the woofers in the 13A are NOT 8" as mentioned (they are 10"). Also, the measurements of the stat panel were not correctly stated as mentioned by each of the fellows. The man off camera even said 13A=13" and then when repeated, he said it was 11"
The 13A is 13", 11A = 11" and the ESL Classic 9 = 9". They also refer to the 13A as the top of the range. No mention of the 15A, which is the flagship of the Masterpiece series... You could flash corrections on screen so people won't be mislead. as they discover your video here. (well, perhaps my comment here will have already done that) lol ...
Thanks as always!
I didn't know the info was wrong Gary, to be fair to PMC dist they had literally only just taken ML on for UK distribution and ML have a huge range of speakers and subwoofers to learn all that info would take a bit of time so making an odd fact mistake while its not ideal its understandable and hopefully forgivable :)
@@PursuitPerfectSystem Ok, thanks for your reply, and I can understand learning all that ML 'product knowledge' can be a bit daunting (O: Looking forward to your next production !
Why this sound better as the original from spotify
$16,500 in the US. For anyone wondering.
Has the technology changed much on these...in the sense that I had an older pair of logans from many years ago and love them. Sounded fantastic and crisp, but the thing I hated was the very moment you left the sweet spot or walked anywhere out of the "path" of where the speakers where firing it sounded like the speakers had magically moved to another room. They were horrible for just listening to music as you wandered around you home doing things. It that still the same with these newer models? Just the nature of elec stats?
Well i listened to a pair of these and had the same "issue"..Superb in the sweet spot but just 30 cm to far to the left or right, they immediately sounded much worse.
Yes, eStats "beam" sound directly forward.
Raadic Hi I think you will find the new Martin Logan’s have got rid of the beam affect as the electrostatic panel are now curved
Listen to the latest 'Masterpiece' line. The sweet spot is VERY WIDE! The new stators let more sound pass through, and that curved panel...oh, did I mention WIDE listening area for all your guests?......well, you get the idea, the bass cabinets and designed to keep up to the STAT panel. Finest sounding speakers I have EVER had in my home!
@@raadic5260 No, equally rearward as well, a TRUE DIPOLE / Line array system! The 30 degree curve in the panel takes care of the beaming effect of FLAT paneled speakers!!
This song sounds even good on a bose... 😉
вещь классная))))лайк на уровне рупорной акустики или даже выше)
Short speaker cable but long line audio cable from pre to power, is it worth?
A bit better treble than the Cube Audio speakers (for a similar price).Check out the Cube Audio demos, worst treble I heard in a high end speaker. lol Nothing wrong with the treble on these babies, though!
you were playing an mp3 for Anette?
After i bought matin logan esl, barely can conpare any spekaers! Pmc 5.26 took my atention but bass is weak, otherwise they were very very good for my taste, even i like full boddy sound ;)
Nice looking product but 2:02 he describes the woofers as being 8". They look at least 10" to me, possibly even 12" .
On camera the woofers look as wide as his brown shoes are long, which would suggest at least 10".... unless he has tiny feet! Great video. Keep them coming
they are 10 inch woofers as you speculated. the ML ESL 11a have the 8 inch woofers.
How would you say these compare to the revel f228be?
I wish I could demo these compared to the B&W 803D3 but en my country they are sold by different dealers
These speakers yoir considering between couldn't be anymore chalk and cheese for how they sound. At this money the dealers will bring the speakers to you to demo or they should do
theres another youtube vid that specifically compares these two and the two reviewers say ML hands down wins. When you hear these in the sweet spot it is hard to beat them, but there are downsides to keeping them. And i wonder about reliability compared to traditional speakers
These sound good with vocals but how about heavy metal like ac/dc pantera,iron maiden
They *do* sound different, but certainly not inferior to 'regular' speakers, maybe a small bit of slam you may be used to... but some of that is the loss of distortion you're used to..
You will however, hear *any*shortcomings in the recordings themselves ....that's disturbing to some, but the tradeoff of hearing things never heard before is well worth it to me.
I'm primarily a rock/metal guy who switched to electrostatics 20 yrs ago, no more regular/dynamic speakers. In case you didn't know, the difference in distortion between electrostats and dynamic speakers is huge. Electrostats have nearly zero, and mid-priced 'regular' speakers often have 10% ..yep ..and ppl worry about 0.5% from amps...pfft..
ML products haven't shown much real improvement in decades. Sounding much as they did back going back to the early days. In fact their original CLS to many ears still ranks as the best and most transparent speaker they ever made. But their increase in price is over the top far beyond inflation for a constant stream of new products that show little to no improvement. In many cases the older lines were better and vastly cheaper to buy.
Hi, what amp you would reccomend for martin logan ESL? I got them few days ago, and my valve amp is not good partner for them. Thanks
I just took delivery on a pair ESL 9's.. I paired them with a Parasound A21 amp and P6 preamp. I have been in heaven all week! Finest sounding system I have ever owned, and I have been at this hobby a very long time... Parasound from my local upscale dealer - Safe and Sound n Chicopee MA. They have quite a business going and they ship everywhere.
Check out Outlaw Audio. I have their 5.1 amp, subs, and used their pre for a while. Now use it with Marantz A/V unit as I dig movies… Really Great Service guys.
Song and artist please
who was the artist in the demo? I am very curious of that song
I agree. Who is playing?
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@@pvolmert Hjertelig takk == Hartelijk dank in Dutch
Grtzz to Norway.
ooh... 6:57 what was that delicious little taste of music?
I'm not questioning the price of these speakers when I ask, do they actually sound 17,000 of value?
I think only each individual can answer that for them self