Electrostatic Loudspeaker (ESL) Technology - MartinLogan
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- An electrostatic transducer has three basic components - stators, diaphragm, and spars (spacers) - assembled as a sandwich. We explain how each of these components work to create the magical MartinLogan sound for which our electrostatic speakers are known.
Probably the most informative video I've have seen in years. thanks guys im sold!
Just got me a pair of the Theos and man did they wow me!!! Martin Logan really takes care of their customer!
I have Martin Logan Arias I and love them. It took time to get the set-upright in a tough room and I have found it. Added a sub woofer to improve the bottom end, awesome sound.
I was listening to a pair of their Spire speakers yesterday, holy hell they were amazing. I mean sure the DAC and amplifier play a big part too, but man is was just an incredible listening experience. I'm glad this tech has stuck around long enough to be this refined.
I just heard some of these in a Best Buy paired with McIntosh equipment and they sounded amazing. I got on CZcams searching for how they worked. I'd love to own some of these one day!
Same here! Magnolia gave a great demo of these puppies and I'm astonished at how good these sound even compared to Bowers & Wilkins speakers!
Same here listen to them today at Best Buy they are unreal
I love Martin Logan, for classical, vocal and acoustic, the hybrids have come a long way , and sound very integrated, wish that vulnerability of the stators would improve too,, they remain very prone to deterioration,, none the less, ESL is my favorite type of speaker, so natural,, even more so than magnetic array / planar speakers ... The first ESL I ever listened to the 57 Quad, a mono speaker blew my mind,, never heard jazz vocals like that before,, and then the Martin Logan hybrid with classical arias,, such amazing treble clarity ,,, yep everyone should discover the magic of ESL, they should be more affordable with better warranty / serviceability though ;-) Yay Martin Logan :-) Yay ESL
the neolith sound great and they would look awesome in my florida room. Fabulous looking futuristic looking and sounding speaker.
Really well done, thanks!
one day I'm gonna be rich and I'll get myself a pair of those
Get some magnepans instead, they cost much less, and you can add two subs while still being at half the cost or less depending on brands.
It is strange that people who are interested in good and precise sounds put a backgroud music while they talk.
Not really. Most of the time they use them to listen to music but even as background music a good sound system will sound amazing vs a mediocre system. My friends hang out in my music room and it's perfectly ok to play music as background music but at the same time it sounds really good and we just enjoy hanging out there the most.
Wow this technology is very simple now I can make my own esl
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Excellent video
awesome sound. I heard a pair at BEST BUY in New Hampshire. I WOULD SAY THEY were the best sound i have ever heard. I was really inpressed. Speakers are too expensive for my pocket if i had the do$$$$ i would have no problem buying the neolith
I HEARD A PAIR OF THOSE IN THE MAGNOLIA ROOM AT BEST BUY FEW YEARS AGO AND I HAVE TO SAID THEY SOUND PERFECT. IS LIKE TAKING A WHOLE BAND OR A ORCHESTRA TO YOUR HOUSE . THE ONLY DOWNSIDE IS THAT THEY ARE SUPER MEGA EXPENSIVE . ANOTHER BRAND THAT I LIKE IS BOWERS & WILKINS , THEY HAVE SOME AMAZING LOUDSPEAKERS!
These are my dream speakers ... someday I hope to own a pair of these
I have a pair of Martin logan monolith 3s
Well said guys! keep it up!
I agree there's nothing like a Martin Logan Speaker ..I'm enjoying several pairs of them at present (Motion 40's and Motion 15's) but no ESL's as of yet . As a working stiff that will be a bit of a leap that I'm working on to make
Very interesting.
The principle is so simple that any man can assemble those sound speakers out of things found at home.
Iove it
Constantly click at 2:45
I love ML!!!
I listen to ML!!!
I own ML!!!
You would have thought they would have came up with a better name then one with the word "static" in it.
Does the limited excursion of the driver translate into limitations in achievable sound amplitude?
is it really a good idea to put the base speaker connected at the very base of the loud speaker? Would that not cause overall distortion to the loud speaker?
Jesus guys. Just explain the inverse square law which is why Martin Logan's are awesome.
If the sound is the same from the rear (albeit 180 degrees out of phase) does that not mean that these need very careful positioning in regards to walls? Does the proximity to walls, coupled with the 30 degree angle (now focussing the sound rather than dispersing it) not need to be taken into account? How does the width of the panel affect the phase cancellation and is this 'tuned' to the panel?
Just bought some! Amazing! Just curious as to how these actually worked...
How much?
Usually 90-92 dB at 2.83 V/1m. That's pretty effective. Not the highest sensitivity out there but it's definitely not low.
True, but low impedance at high frequencies
@@n.lyndley.9889 I made that comment when I was 17. I have since experienced quite a few ML electrostats and have realised they all sound broken
The rare measurement of their old electrostats shows the clear flaws with the design, and it seems those flaws have carried over into their modern offerings (obviously, it's an inherently flawed design, just like single driver "full range" loudspeakers)
I wish I had the money to enjoy the beauty of electrostatic speakers...
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They say that there is greater range and no "crossover", but In animation 6:03 is shown 250-400Hz, is that a typo?
So no frequency breakup I like it but what is the roll off frequency of these type of speakers because you said it doesnt reproduce bass notes as well as it does in the higher frequency range
Is that a point source or a random source?
ion...since this is a huge surface what happens when it gets dirty?
Sigh...that's the problem. I have 3 pairs of MartinLogans and every 6-10 years you need to replace the panels because dust and humidity affects them. At some point they become completely muffled and unlistenable. It doesn't help that MartinLogan nearly tripled the prices of replacement panels a few years ago.
Thanks guys this is huuuge help
@@18000rpm would an acoustically transparent sheild over them change the sound plenty? if not, could make a very tall drop over box, to place over them
How do the guys at ML address the humidity issue?
The channel owner asked me if the power supply for the electrostatic speaker is DC or AC and how much voltage is it?
Thanks channel owner!
Dennis Chern could sell ice to an Eskimo.
It's interesting that MartinLogans have a traditional cone speaker built in for bass assist, whereas Magnepans do not. It's not really a right/wrong answer, more a matter of preference, but I'd be curious if people who are critical of Magnepan bass levels (and the bigger ones can get loud, just not feel it in your chest level) are satisfied by MartinLogan bass.
The curved panel was invented by (and discarded by) Roger Sanders- was it not?
I love Electrostatic Speakers So Much! Except for the way Martin Logan's sound. Magnepan's are my favorite. Is there one you guys would recommend that I check out. I have the 1.7 maggies right now. Thanks guys!
Magnepan aren’t electrostatic.
@@n.lyndley.9889 huh, what are they? I just buy stuff that sounds good and is cheap.
I wish they would use dipole woofers instead of sealed ones
Pig intestine charged to several thousand volts...nothing quite duplicates the odor of burning chitlins.
No current. No heating. It's a static voltage. Not dynamic.
My source speaker only works on lower speaker no electrostatic is not working can I fix this myself?
if this elestroestatics loudspeaker tecnology is simple and material no seems so high cost
this device should be a competitive price and leave the segment of exclusive for high cost
maybe would be a interesting a sucefull project a production a serie a low cost,...
So, if you touch the panel while it's running, does it "toast" the customer?
No the current is extremely low, you won't feel a thing (I've tried).
@@18000rpm Thank you for the clarification!
The bias on the diaphragm is probably relatively harmless, but I believe grabbing both stators while playing loud, bassy music would be a bad idea ...
@@yangtse55 the panel doesn't handle bass frequencies
I have a set of martin logan monolith 3s
I’m going to build my own 😘
Cool! Quite a task to get the resonance right, flat freq response, i wish you good luck.
+Cory Duncan I was just gonna ask about that! ;) But how are you gonna build it?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Headphones#Electrostatic
Please share your knowledge/work/project on Instructables
duckduckgo.com/?q=Instructables+Electrostatic+speaker&ia=web
Thanks and good luck
I bet they sound better than Bose 901s.
Don't bet ....Bose 901 are amazing if properly positioned.
@@xenigron6237 except they have no highs or bass
@@TooCynical Bullshit! I own bose 501 and are fantastic,Bose of nowadays sucks but 501 601 and 901 are GREAT speakers!
... Y cuando se les acumula mucha electricidad estática, y empiezan a zumbar apá????
I got 20 bucks in my pocket and a whole lots of wishing.
Buy a pair of Exciters from Amazon , PartsExpress. Buy 1 styrene foam board 4x6 cut making 2 2x6 pannels. Offset Exciter on panel at 3/5 . Done .
I have a pair of Martin, Logans, and that’s WHY I only have $20!
@@larryeckerdt9750 Lol! I've just gone for the ESL 11A's - Amazing! Upgrading the pre to the Moon 390 and having to shift stuff around to accommodate new speaker cables without crucifying the $20 I've got left :)
Enjoy! There has to be some joy to distract me from Brexit.
The older guy sell his product effortlessly , as he said the fact of his product , try ML then you can not back to your conus speaker....
The music adds little.
Acoustats and Soundlabs better but Acoustats are cheaper.
Absolutely no reason for these to cost this much. The parts to make them are cheap and the speakers aren't that good. Plus you can only place them were there is a wall outlet. $75,000 give me a break! Look up the downside of these speakers, plenty of videos on it right here on youtube.
The absurdity of capitalism.
you can get electrostats from 1250 each to 99000 each lmao. Not even that pricey.
My esl 63 cost £700 and sound better
Have you heard the Neolith . I have, they are extraordinary, they are not built for the average home. If I had spare cash, I definitely would buy a pair , if I had a place to put them. It’s like any other Consumer product, like cars . How much in material does an average car cost. Probably a couple of thousand of metals, rubber & plastics. Martin Logan make a good product . I own their cheapest Electrostatic. They are glorious speakers & felt that heard them blind .
So… why then are the most accurate speakers dynamic studio monitors? If the dynamic driver is inherently inferior, why cannot electrostats better them in resolution? Similarly, the most accurate headphones use magnetoplanars, not electrostats nowadays. Stax used to lead in headphone resolution, but has since been surpassed due to electrostats’ lacklustre bass reproduction and their typical phasing errors between L and R channels.
My guess is that studiomonitors dont need to have the best resolution. They should have decent SPL and tonality. At those points they can be better than stats.
A cross over of 250-400Hz? Middle C on piano is 256Hz, so i'd say you're cuttin' into critical listening range.
The human ear is most sensitive to frequencies from 2KHz - 5KHz. Middle C on a piano is not only playing 256. ;)
El do central en el piano, no está en los 256hz, se encuentra en los 512 hz.
The midle C en the piano, is not in 256hz, is it in 256hz.
to bad these still cost and arm and a leg to buy when yous make them for dirt cheep. yous guys must be making an easy 300% profit.
Is this really only good for music what about 7.1.2 dolby atmos ?
Why always is piano o guitar playing can you get some rap playing or samba
why does it cost so much , everything we use comes from the earth. shit why do things need to cost any ways, im paying to live #DAMN
Are you kidding me? You have a comprehension of reality as good as a five year old.
Electrostatic speakers can play low frequencies! I know how to do it! I am learning English in order to come to work at MartinLogan and do it. Want to wrap my country with barbed wire. If this happens before I have time to learn English, it will be difficult for me to implement my idea. Please help me transfer my idea to MartinLogan.
Now this proven at birth
Trans positve
They blame the traditional moving coil speaker is not accurate enough and adds destortion and guess what do they use to produce the lower frequencies? Yep, a traditional moving coil speaker! Haha, what a joke. Sound quality is as good as the large amount of money you spend on it, sound is interpreted by the 'colorful' brain, the more you spend the better it sounds.
Life is one long list compromises.
Dynamic speakers work great in the bass while stats have problems with loud and deep bass as well as tonality in upperbass
Si j'avais des enceintes avec ce genre de courbe de réponse, il serait Vite à la poubelle
soundlab way better
Sound lab is the best electrostatics speaker today. Acoustat was best back in the 80's and 90's and last forever.
Martin logan. Cheating. Adding a woofer.
Not really...Electrostatic Speakers do not produce a solid bass do the manufacturer added it with the bass box...kinda like adding a Sub....
Rounding out the sound.
@@steveo4141 wait till you hear quad esl 63 They do bass well. With martin logans you just get an extremely large expensive tweeter