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  • @sovietbear1917
    @sovietbear1917 Před rokem +12

    Me: "So Marco has a new video out..."
    My wife: "Are you buying more paints?"

  • @TheCoreus
    @TheCoreus Před rokem +22

    Zinc White is known in the art community as mixing white. Glad that it's being discovered here! It historically has problems in oil paints (if that matters to some of you), as it actually causes cracking when used in layers. However there's not a documented case of that happening in acrylic paints.

  • @guillermomelendez7950
    @guillermomelendez7950 Před rokem +51

    Your channel is the best and most complete technical resource library on the internet for painting, and I mean it in general manner all your knowledge is applicable not just for miniatures and hobby, traditional media painters can get so much out of this bounty of colorful insight. Marco you are truly a moder day Master of the chromatic realm, the rainbow sage.

  • @ChrisC-xo1ds
    @ChrisC-xo1ds Před rokem +59

    Placed 2nd in my first local paint competition, thanks to your videos and techniques. Please keep making great content. Thanks for what you do... first comment yay !

  • @beezany
    @beezany Před rokem +13

    Zinc white is nice for glazing on highlights too! It takes a little practice, as the zinc white can leave milky tide marks (similar to the way brown washes leave coffee stain tide marks). One other thing to be aware of is that zinc oxide is very reactive and can destroy the medium in oil paints, turning the oil into soap.

  • @MarcoFrisoniNJM
    @MarcoFrisoniNJM  Před rokem +30

    A recent discovery that is making my color mixing easier, faster and with a better visual output, so cool to deserve its own video! Plus this has a ton of other applications that we'll definitely explore in dozens of future releases 😉Your color mixing life will never be the same! See you in chat at the première 😁

    • @zanmatoshin877
      @zanmatoshin877 Před rokem

      Marco, when using slapchop, do you think denser oilwashes is an option?

    • @AdrianTollis
      @AdrianTollis Před 11 měsíci

      Cant you get the same effect as a "mixing white" by using less of a more pigmented white?

  • @eddy3722
    @eddy3722 Před rokem +9

    Discovered this by accident for oils when I bought "soft mixing white" just because it was cheaper than titanium white but somehow never even considered an acrylic one before now..Marco making me buy more paint again 😅

  • @barryhill2836
    @barryhill2836 Před rokem +11

    Absolutely awesome informative work as always! Since you did a video on white I'd love to see you do something on black - like the different types of black paints too. Specially the amount of variety of classical artist blacks. That'd be so interesting.

  • @timwelch175
    @timwelch175 Před rokem +2

    Going to be driving when you go live but will be checking it out when I get home. Love when you get all excited to share something new with us. It's usually a good one!

  • @Musofox
    @Musofox Před rokem +13

    Love the videos Marco! You've been helping me get back into miniature painting after a 20 year break in between life and art school. But, one element to keep in mind, and this is a somewhat recent research from an art conservation perspective, zinc whites, while much softer and more transparent than traditional titanium whites, dramatically increase paint layer cracking and shrinking over time in concentrations greater than about 15% to 20%. So, while this is a good way to get nicer looking tones to your color, it also reduces the lifetime of your paint layers, and increases the likelihood of paint layer failure in the long term. Something for everyone to keep in mind, as I know artists tend not to do a lot of research into the long term consequences of the mediums and pigments they use!

    • @druidobianco9734
      @druidobianco9734 Před rokem +1

      Is this true only for oils or also for acrylics?

    • @saltedllama2759
      @saltedllama2759 Před rokem +2

      @@druidobianco9734 Acrylics are typically water-based and considered thermoplastic, but they can stress or crack in extreme weather exposure, but are otherwise permanent when sealed. Oil paints are considered a permanent medium, with evidence of their value lasting over 500 years in some paintings.

    • @mtozzi92
      @mtozzi92 Před rokem +5

      @@druidobianco9734 Only oils, and even then there are some caveats with it, like it is much more of an issue with thicker layers which we shouldn't generally be using on minis. Not worth worrying about too much imo for mini painting but good to keep in mind still. Nothing I've seen suggests this issue with acrylic though.

  • @ProrokLebioda
    @ProrokLebioda Před rokem +2

    Great idea! Less opaque - less impact of white on mix. Thx Marco!

  • @TristanChaika
    @TristanChaika Před rokem +1

    I got a bottle of Zinc white a while ago, but wasn’t painting much at the time. Now I’m painting more and discovering it can be a secret weapon for NMM. Golden has a zinc white in their fluid acrylics line, which is what I have. It is also based off pw4 pigment. It is also good, plus it is a little closer to mini paint consistency right out of the bottle.

  • @johnaquino7619
    @johnaquino7619 Před 5 měsíci +1

    00:30 - 00:45
    I think I just learned something new about gradual shifting the saturation level of a color
    and color mixing in general.
    Much more systematic.
    I may have been doing it the hard way before. 😳

  • @ralieghwhite9076
    @ralieghwhite9076 Před rokem +4

    Wow! Immediately purchased the W&N Mixing White. This is so amazing! One of my biggest problems lately has been maintaining saturation. Thank you so much!!!

  • @meralda5582
    @meralda5582 Před rokem +1

    i bought the windsor and newton one a couple month ago and didn't try it since... now i have a good reason to do it on my white Tau armor! thanks and a good video like always.

  • @willmendoza8498
    @willmendoza8498 Před rokem +1

    Good to hear a mini painter finall talking about zinc white :)

  • @TheCthogua
    @TheCthogua Před rokem +3

    WOW I've been painting for years and years and never realized there was such a huge difference between the tinting power of Titanium white from different paint lines! That's what sticking with a particular band for too long gets ya! Now you've given me just the excuse I needed to BUY MORE PAINT!!! 😅

    • @hobbyvikingen8278
      @hobbyvikingen8278 Před rokem +3

      Use different paints from different brands. Don't just stick to one brand. Paint brands have different properties. Use interesting colors from different brands. Mix it up!

  • @cgsrtkzsytriul
    @cgsrtkzsytriul Před rokem +2

    I’ve been using Golden Zinc White and Bone Black for mixing for a year. I learned about it from reading their website.

  • @justinvenable917
    @justinvenable917 Před rokem +1

    Thanks for sharing the results of your experiments.

  • @TylerProvick
    @TylerProvick Před rokem +1

    I've known about the existance of zinc white for a long time, but this demonstration was enough to make me want to check it out. Knowing and seeing are different things

  • @raphaelle_colors
    @raphaelle_colors Před rokem +1

    Nice :D I want to know more about the uses !
    Thanks Marco for all your work

  • @wurgat
    @wurgat Před rokem +1

    Well now I want a transparent white. Thx again for another great trick. I will have the complet kimera koler range at the beginning of next year and I think this will be of great use when I start doing more mixing. Keep up the great work you do because it is greatly appreciated.

  • @LAYzRB
    @LAYzRB Před rokem +5

    I love your videos. I’ve learned so much from the content you make and owe a lot of my progress to your teaching style. So much so I just hosted my very first painting class! Keep being awesome!

    • @MarcoFrisoniNJM
      @MarcoFrisoniNJM  Před rokem +2

      🤩🤩🤩 Thanks a million!!! Nice, spread the passion for the hobby with the world!!!

  • @Sh4d0w20
    @Sh4d0w20 Před rokem +3

    titanium white and titanium buff are my go to colors for whites ;) but i use their fluid line - and im really impressed with the highflow ones - especially the transparant line

  • @AbouTheMagnanimus
    @AbouTheMagnanimus Před rokem +2

    A few months ago when I ventured into heavy body acrylics for white, I noticed the zinc white and titanium white. After doing research, I grabbed both. I've been happy I did. And I'm happy to know I'm not crazy after seeing this video.
    Now I just need to see if I can get a soft body ivory black for more fun.

  • @Kungsgeten
    @Kungsgeten Před rokem +2

    Warcolours sells a "mixing white" and also a "mixing black". Might be of interest if you prefer miniature paint viscosity and dropper bottles.

  • @prickswithstix1113
    @prickswithstix1113 Před rokem +1

    Thank you!! This is a multi watch video!!!!

  • @vilgespainting
    @vilgespainting Před rokem +1

    WOW! I must run to art store and get W&n Mixing White! You are a wizard!

  • @artycharr
    @artycharr Před rokem +1

    Thats some contagious enthusiasm!

  • @samcurran1093
    @samcurran1093 Před rokem +3

    Thanks for the video Marco! Would you be interested in doing a video on when you prefer oils over acrylics or vice versa? I would be very curious to hear your opinion on that

  • @photoshopafficionado
    @photoshopafficionado Před 5 měsíci

    Interesting info.
    Thanks for the clear explanation

  • @bpronka
    @bpronka Před rokem +3

    Hah! I knew it! When I saw the thumbnail I thought “either zinc or WN mixing white”!
    Awesome!
    I haven’t yet got a tube for myself for budgetary reasons, but I knew sooner or later our most beloved paint collector would post something!
    Thanks for sharing, Marco!

    • @MarcoFrisoniNJM
      @MarcoFrisoniNJM  Před rokem +1

      All the white in the thumbnail was a clue for the art store aficionados 😁

    • @bpronka
      @bpronka Před rokem +1

      ​@@MarcoFrisoniNJM Yes, very true! Your work in foreshadowing the whole thing is fantastic, too!
      It's also good to know zinc white is safe to spray. I saw that Golden's SoFlat has several colors which are not safe to spray... that got me wondering. Cool bonus hehe
      Thanks again, Marco!

    • @MarcoFrisoniNJM
      @MarcoFrisoniNJM  Před rokem

      @@bpronka 😉 That's precisely why I went with Liquitex Acrylic Gouache! I use that kind of paint 99.9% with the brush but better safe than sorry

    • @bpronka
      @bpronka Před rokem

      ​@@MarcoFrisoniNJM Thought so! Also many thanks for introducing this line to us! I got a couple of bottles and have some more in my amazon cart heheh They cover so well and are so beautiful and saturated! Amazing colors indeed.
      In due time, I have to give you even more props, Marco. I remember years ago you saying 'notice how CZcams minipainters are going to start talking about oils after this.'
      Well... you were exactly correct.
      After you started talking about artist grade materials, proper color mixing and exploring different brands and mediums... yet again, the minipainting CZcams community followed suit not long after.
      Super cool how you've been a figure of influence in our community through influencing content creators and painters alike. It gives me a lot of joy to see these things happen, as I think your painting and presentation style are *so* unique and beautiful...
      How long do you figure before youtube is swept over by Zinc and Mixing white? hehehehe

  • @MaskedRiderChris
    @MaskedRiderChris Před rokem +1

    I have a tube of W&N titanium white that I need to use more often, I think...good video as always, sir!

  • @NYIKAZENO
    @NYIKAZENO Před rokem +1

    The Zinc white was my blending go to back in school, for oil painting. So much less heavy handed than Titanium White!

  • @HasteHobbies
    @HasteHobbies Před rokem +1

    Wow, thanks for the tip!

  • @lavoltare6307
    @lavoltare6307 Před rokem

    I am amazed you dont have more followers, you are the best on youtube :)

  • @markgnepper5636
    @markgnepper5636 Před rokem +1

    Great stuff friend 👏 👍
    Thanks

  • @gedforrest2547
    @gedforrest2547 Před rokem +1

    I discovered this property of Kimera white without having the language or knowledge to understand/describe what was happening, I just knew that the white had "too much *oomph*" about it and I went out to buy a more transparent, easy-going white for mixing (ended up getting a Vallejo Air white). Not sure if that was the right choice but it's certainly more manageable for mixing than the Kimera one.
    Thanks for explaining what and why this was happening!!

  • @pintureando
    @pintureando Před rokem +1

    Nice video! thanks for sharing it 😊

  • @Ayra_arts
    @Ayra_arts Před rokem +1

    I'll definetly be picking up W&N's mixing white from my local hobby shop.

  • @monsieurphysiquechimie
    @monsieurphysiquechimie Před rokem +1

    Thanks for the tip.

  • @GreggFellows
    @GreggFellows Před rokem +2

    you should also check out the different blacks for mixing as well, and also the difference between say a cobalt blue hue and cobalt blue, all important if you intend to use them in mixes

  • @ericlang7408
    @ericlang7408 Před rokem +2

    Really cool, thanks! It looks indeed like it can make mixing much easier! Looking forward to see some applications. What about black paints? Are there any that darken without overpowering 🤔?

  • @RobCrawford23
    @RobCrawford23 Před rokem +3

    Have been using Monument transparent white to for the same purpose, reds don't go pink as quickly and orange stays orange.
    makes like a lot easier

  • @BarokaiRein
    @BarokaiRein Před rokem +2

    Goddamnit, I just ordered W&N stuff last night but totally didn't pick this up.
    It's fine, I'll find some excuse to order more soon enough

  • @BlackKara
    @BlackKara Před rokem +1

    Nice! Thanks for the video :3

  • @riccardoboniardi6293
    @riccardoboniardi6293 Před rokem +3

    Random painter: Nooooooooo!!! You can't just make a whole video about only one color!!!
    Marco: hold my brush.

  • @zeetos7853
    @zeetos7853 Před rokem +1

    I've just found your channel and I've been watching a few of your videos, really interesting and helpful. BTW my first name is Marco too. I don't usually come across my first name in the U.S., lol. Take care and keep the videos coming.

    • @MarcoFrisoniNJM
      @MarcoFrisoniNJM  Před rokem

      Welcome to the channel Marco 😁 lol it sounds so strange

  • @Moxiltws
    @Moxiltws Před rokem

    That's incredibly usefull!

  • @haugtussa8989
    @haugtussa8989 Před rokem

    I need more not just mecha, hope you got a new vidoe for Us soon >D

  • @y2ace
    @y2ace Před rokem +1

    Learn something new every video

  • @cbradquillen
    @cbradquillen Před rokem +1

    Thanks, Marco :). I hope your little one is doing well :).

    • @cbradquillen
      @cbradquillen Před rokem

      Your love for your child will grow and grow.

  • @telanth
    @telanth Před rokem +1

    I've always wondered whether zinc white would work and why I never saw it in any video. At least I got the answer on the first question 😘

    • @MarcoFrisoniNJM
      @MarcoFrisoniNJM  Před rokem +2

      The answer for the second one is that we don't go to proper art stores as much as we should!

  • @bastianniemand7460
    @bastianniemand7460 Před rokem +4

    Anyone seen the maestro? Hope everything is fine? Fingerd crossed

  • @alino61
    @alino61 Před 7 měsíci

    thnx ..great vid :}

  • @Wijkert
    @Wijkert Před rokem +2

    Have been using Smincke Heavy Body Titanium White for a while now. It is also much easier to control when mixing (because of the lower pigment density). Also great for creating very small popping highlights (on lenses for example). Not great if you want kind go coverage, but we have other whites for that. Tubes also come in nice low quantities. We hobby painters don't need much more than 35ml.

    • @MarcoFrisoniNJM
      @MarcoFrisoniNJM  Před rokem +2

      I really like the 35ml format! It also makes jumping into art store materials waaay easier!

    • @Wijkert
      @Wijkert Před rokem

      @@MarcoFrisoniNJM exactly

  • @sergei5879
    @sergei5879 Před rokem +1

    Me: Oh new video! Marco...
    Wife: leave a credit card on a table, now!
    ...

  • @nikotillmann9764
    @nikotillmann9764 Před rokem +1

    When I saw the thumbnail I thought it might be zinc white. Even good old Vallejo Model Color has "White Glaze", which probably is zinc white. 😁

  • @p_serdiuk
    @p_serdiuk Před rokem +2

    Kimera and Scale75 should have included this white in their color theory based sets :(

  • @martins3655
    @martins3655 Před rokem

    Awesome. If I can’t find both products, should I assume other semi-opaque/transparent whites would come close?

  • @neon_necromunda
    @neon_necromunda Před rokem +1

    Thanks for this dude. Do you have any on basic thinning to advanced thing of paints before they go to the final wet pallette? Thanks for everything hope your well Marco.

    • @MarcoFrisoniNJM
      @MarcoFrisoniNJM  Před rokem +1

      That could be a great topic... I don't have anything that specific in archive but I could put something together because it's really a great topic ;)

  • @mtozzi92
    @mtozzi92 Před rokem

    Pro acryl has a translucent white which I haven't used personally but seems nice. Createx also has a transparent white which seems like a zinc white although I'm not positive that's the actual pigment. Has a nice consistency out of the bottle for brush painting even though it's made for airbrushing. Some good options out there if you can't get your hands on the ones in the video.

    • @JB__
      @JB__ Před rokem +1

      Also warcolours mixing white is a zinc oxide. Very good paint.

    • @mikkelfrederiksen7835
      @mikkelfrederiksen7835 Před rokem

      Vallejo has a paint called white glaze. Looks and behaves just like zink white.

  • @Vertrucio
    @Vertrucio Před rokem +10

    Coming from a classic art background, I'm sad they don't include more info on the small paint pots. But, I think their aim is simplicity.

    • @MarcoFrisoniNJM
      @MarcoFrisoniNJM  Před rokem +3

      No, sadly their aim is to save money 😅

    • @AdrianvanNunen
      @AdrianvanNunen Před rokem +5

      @@MarcoFrisoniNJM ...and MAKE money by confusing people about what's "in the pot" so people buy more pre-mixed colours instead of learning to mix from single pigments. I get it that pre-mixed makes it easy for batch painting armies but learning how to mix gives power to the painter! :)

    • @MarcoFrisoniNJM
      @MarcoFrisoniNJM  Před rokem +3

      @@AdrianvanNunen 👏 that 👏 precisely 👏 that 👏 !

    • @p_serdiuk
      @p_serdiuk Před rokem +1

      @@AdrianvanNunen To be fair this trend started in scale modeling where the most important thing is to make sure the miniature paint closely matches real paint used on real uniforms and armored vehicles, and then it kinda got out of hand with fantasy paints.

  • @codemaster6521
    @codemaster6521 Před rokem +1

    Unrelated to the video but your tye best person I can think of, but for white armor would a black prime, grey zenithal, and finished with white layer on top be a good idea?

  • @YeeWhoEnterHere
    @YeeWhoEnterHere Před rokem +1

    I wonder if a cheap student acrylic white would do the job of the low opacity white...

    • @MarcoFrisoniNJM
      @MarcoFrisoniNJM  Před rokem +1

      In that case you just get less of the same pigments with the same properties! Mixing and Zinc White pigments are different and differently treated. They behave and look different and this takes away the chalkiness and the pastelizing effect (that happens even with small quantities of titanium white because of the power of the single little pigments) creating a very different visual and tactile output in the dry layer!

  • @stingray4567
    @stingray4567 Před rokem +2

    Im a simple man. I see Marco, I hit like.

  • @onyxdragon6980
    @onyxdragon6980 Před rokem +3

    As someone who has used Zinc White in portrait painting, how did I not think of using it on minis? Thank you!

    • @carnajom8831
      @carnajom8831 Před rokem +1

      I was using it for minis by pure chance because Warcolours have a mixing white as part of their mini paint range and I picked up a bottle.

  • @johnvanzelm2307
    @johnvanzelm2307 Před rokem

    Marco, My oil washes end up drying with thick crumble deposits in the recesses rather than smooth coverage. Is it because of Gloss varnish? Should I use more of a satin varnish? I am using Daniel Smith and Windsor Newton oils, thinned with white spirit.

  • @gillesdelcourt5003
    @gillesdelcourt5003 Před rokem +1

    Great tip ! Does a white acrylic ink will work as well for creating lighter due to its transparency ?

    • @MarcoFrisoniNJM
      @MarcoFrisoniNJM  Před rokem +1

      Thanks!!! Acrylic ink is usually quite opaque (full black square ⬛ in the scale of translucency) so better as a white opaque "thinner" for other white paints when you need fluidity or a thin layer, still with a good coverage and load of pigments!

    • @gillesdelcourt5003
      @gillesdelcourt5003 Před rokem

      @@MarcoFrisoniNJM Indeed this makes perfect sense. I'm new to the wonderful world of artists' paints and I often forget artists' paints provide so much more informations than classic mini paints.

  • @trotterhorsewatsonjr.6668

    I love the accent.....Sooo cool!

  • @hansrainerpeitz1160
    @hansrainerpeitz1160 Před rokem +2

    You might want to give the Zinc White from Amsterdam a shot (PW7 instead of PW4) a shot as it is bit less toxic and also the Amsterdam medium is not as glossy as Schmincke.

    • @MarcoFrisoniNJM
      @MarcoFrisoniNJM  Před rokem

      Interesting!

    • @mikkelfrederiksen7835
      @mikkelfrederiksen7835 Před rokem +1

      Pw7 is zink sulphide white. It is often used in flourescent paints. Pw4 is zink oxide, that is in normal zink white.
      I have tried both, and I dont think there is much difference between the two.

    • @MarcoFrisoniNJM
      @MarcoFrisoniNJM  Před rokem +1

      @@mikkelfrederiksen7835 I'm digging into the topic and yeah it seems PW7 main things are the phosphorescent and electroluminescent properties (plus a good natural transparency). It should have a great luminosity but I'm worried about its lightfastness (usually that's the weak point of fluorescent paints)

    • @mikkelfrederiksen7835
      @mikkelfrederiksen7835 Před rokem

      @@MarcoFrisoniNJM Will lightfastness be an issue with white? 🤔 Can it even fade? I dont think it will become more transparent.

    • @MarcoFrisoniNJM
      @MarcoFrisoniNJM  Před rokem +1

      @@mikkelfrederiksen7835 not by itself, and modern whites don't tend to go yellowish, I'm thinking more inside a mix

  • @Drhio
    @Drhio Před rokem +1

    Hi Marco, hi everyone, this info Is game changer.
    Has anyone tested the liquitex mixing White? The w&n and prima are rare here. Thanks

    • @MarcoFrisoniNJM
      @MarcoFrisoniNJM  Před rokem +1

      Thanks a million!!! As general quality Liquitex is very similar to W&N so go for it without second thoughts 😉

  • @reubenmccallum3350
    @reubenmccallum3350 Před rokem +2

    Watch an NJM video, back to the art store for more, always the same story ;)

  • @Mutesque
    @Mutesque Před 10 měsíci

    elooo, what would the dilution be for the schminke white if you want to spray it for a zenithal for example?

  • @bigmandan-hobby
    @bigmandan-hobby Před rokem

    Would this work with oils as well? Is that what the "mixing white" is for?

  • @kobold_ts
    @kobold_ts Před rokem +1

    Schmincke is a brilliant brand, somehow still not well known among the mini painting community. I recommend you try the Schmincke Aero Color paints, especially transparent ones (including white).

    • @MarcoFrisoniNJM
      @MarcoFrisoniNJM  Před rokem +1

      Yeah, they are not super easy to find outside central Europe, but they have incredible paints, both in the oils and acrylic range (and even their watercolours are amazing!). Recently I'm integrating my Liquitex Heavy Body collection with Schmincke and I couldn't be happier!

    • @kobold_ts
      @kobold_ts Před rokem +1

      @@MarcoFrisoniNJM Schmincke Aero Color line is dedicated for airbrush application, pre-thinined, in a bunch of sub-lines (one-coat, candy, metallic etc.). Seriously, give it a try, especially whites and metallics are (in my opinion) way above all similar products from mini painting brands.

    • @AdrianvanNunen
      @AdrianvanNunen Před rokem +1

      I thank Ben Komets for getting me hooked on Schminke Titanium White as an all-purpose white. Love the heavy body and that it doesn't break down into chalk dust when you thin it out.

    • @MarcoFrisoniNJM
      @MarcoFrisoniNJM  Před rokem +1

      @@kobold_ts I have a few random tones and they are really great (I love the opaque yellow!)! One of the local artstores recently added them to their lines aaaaand... You can imagine how it will go 😅😅😅

    • @p_serdiuk
      @p_serdiuk Před rokem

      @@kobold_ts Do Schmincke metallics compete with Vallejo Metal Color and Green Stuff World metallic pigments?

  • @NikkiAnnMarie
    @NikkiAnnMarie Před rokem +3

    Excellent video! Forgive my ignorance - would a similar result not be achieved by just mixing in far less titanium white? Or is it because the pigments are transparent that there is something else happening optically? It's hard to fully understand the comparison as it just looks like lower pigment density that results in less tinting
    I understand a lower tinting strength means it's easier to achieve the exact colour you're looking for though, and could see this having much more interesting uses with transparency effects. It's always good when you get excited about something, I'm looking forward to what else you can do with this paint!

    • @MarcoFrisoniNJM
      @MarcoFrisoniNJM  Před rokem

      Mixing and Zinc White are not less opaque because they have less pigment but because their pigments are different and differently treated. They behave and look different and this takes away the chalkiness and the pastelizing effect (that happens even with small quantities of titanium white because of the power of the single pigments) creating a very different visual and tactile output in the dry layer! Specifically about the desaturation: of course if you add a drop of paint into a big mass of white you obtain a similar desaturation (still, the tones keep looking more vibrant!) but the point is that the process is waaay more progressive and controllable and in our small applications that extra control can make a real difference

    • @MarcoFrisoniNJM
      @MarcoFrisoniNJM  Před rokem +2

      Mixing and Zinc White are not less opaque because they have less pigment but because their pigments are different and differently treated. They behave and look different and this takes away the chalkiness and the pastelizing effect (that happens even with small quantities of titanium white because of the power of the single pigments) creating a very different visual and tactile output in the dry layer! Specifically about the desaturation: of course if you add a drop of paint into a big mass of white you obtain a similar desaturation (still, the tones keep looking more vibrant!) but the point is that the process is waaay more progressive and controllable and in our small applications that extra control can make a real difference

    • @mikkelfrederiksen7835
      @mikkelfrederiksen7835 Před rokem +1

      I think the main difference between zink oxide and titanium oxide is in the transperancy. The zink pigment is ten times as transparent as titanium white.
      I am unsure of how this works in layers of paint on a model, but I think it allows the light to penetrate more layers and show more depth. Titanium white is very opaque and mostly just shows the colour of the top layer.
      That is my theory anyway 😅

    • @NikkiAnnMarie
      @NikkiAnnMarie Před rokem

      ​@@MarcoFrisoniNJM That's what I was thinking, thanks for clarifying! It would be interesting to do a comparison between them mixed to achieve a tone of similar value to visualise the difference in saturation of the mixes.
      I've mainly seen zinc/mixing white as a method of using a smaller quantity of expensive paint to achieve a similar colour (i.e, mixing a small amount of cobalt blue into zinc white vs a small amount of titanium white into cobalt blue). I hadn't really considered that the transparency could be utilised independently like this, thanks for sharing your knowledge!

  • @Jayroi
    @Jayroi Před rokem +1

    Hoping Amazon hasn’t sold out all of a sudden.

  • @Easy_Mode_Minis
    @Easy_Mode_Minis Před rokem

    Notice you use Molotw a lot, any must have Molotow colours you would suggest? :D

  • @daniellof453
    @daniellof453 Před rokem +1

    Hello Marco 👋 Daniel here! I have a problem with the schminke colour. Also the gouache, the seem to absorb alot of water on my v2 red grass pallet and they lose coverage. What am I doing and how to correct it?

  • @petrsvoboda7893
    @petrsvoboda7893 Před rokem

    Schmincke Akademie range has something called buff titanium light, also called mixing white. Semi-opaque PW7 PW5. Do you think it could be substitute?

  • @geofffoden9245
    @geofffoden9245 Před rokem +1

    i didn't catch if (for example) highlighting reds, would I still go to orange or I could use the mixing white (or equivalent), or is this mixing white more for providing a slightly lighter tone only and more useful over larger surface transitions?

    • @MarcoFrisoniNJM
      @MarcoFrisoniNJM  Před rokem +2

      You can totally use it to increase your values or highlight in the very same colour range. Red in particular is always tricky and it still doesn't like to be mixed too much but for small increments and every other colour, these work like a charm

  • @cindykee3719
    @cindykee3719 Před rokem +1

    Have you compared the Golden Heavy Body or Fluid Zinc White to these? I would be curious how it would match up as a mixing white as it's much more available to me.

    • @MarcoFrisoniNJM
      @MarcoFrisoniNJM  Před rokem +1

      Everything from Golden is absolutely amazing! I always give priority to availablity when choosing products but the beauty of these high end brands is precisely that they all deliver reliable high quality results 😉

  • @billymiles24
    @billymiles24 Před rokem +1

    i'd like to support you on patreon, but before i do, i'd like to know if the real-time video footage on patreon are subtitled/captioned?

    • @MarcoFrisoniNJM
      @MarcoFrisoniNJM  Před rokem

      Thanks man! There's no dialogue in those; all the important concepts are in the YT version and I use the real time for the hand movements and the little visual things

  • @Dreoni_
    @Dreoni_ Před rokem +1

    Does the Galeria version of the W&N work just as well? It has less pigments so you'll have to use more paint. What I don't know is if the colors will be less vibrant

    • @MarcoFrisoniNJM
      @MarcoFrisoniNJM  Před rokem

      Yeah they tend to be less pigmented so often vibrancy and luminosity look toned down

  • @MegaDeathToaster
    @MegaDeathToaster Před rokem +1

    Reckon you’ll use that for zenithal coats in the future?

    • @MarcoFrisoniNJM
      @MarcoFrisoniNJM  Před rokem

      Definitely for everything with a brush! Diluting an heavy body for airbrush use is a bit time consuming so realistically I'll keep it for later stages/delicate stuff and stick with ink for the foundational work where that smoothness is not so important

  • @pk-vk3oc
    @pk-vk3oc Před rokem +1

    Thanks Marco! If we’re using a paint like Kimera, can we not just use less of it to achieve the same end result? It sounds like it’s basically just more powerful and therefore better more diluted?

    • @MarcoFrisoniNJM
      @MarcoFrisoniNJM  Před rokem +2

      Mixing and Zinc White are not less opaque because they have less pigment (thing that you obtain mixing less titanium white) but because their pigments are different and differently treated. They behave and look different and this takes away the chalkiness and the pastelizing effect (that happens even with small quantities of titanium white because of the power of the single pigments) creating a very different visual and tactile output in the dry layer! Specifically about the desaturation: of course if you add a drop of paint into a big mass of white you obtain a similar desaturation (still, the tones keep looking more vibrant!) but the point is that the process is waaay more progressive and controllable and in our small applications that extra control can make a real difference

    • @pk-vk3oc
      @pk-vk3oc Před rokem +1

      @@MarcoFrisoniNJM Thank you so much maestro :)

  • @mugwart99
    @mugwart99 Před rokem +1

    Though I paint 100% in oils I find lead white the best paint and its a lot more transparent. You can always mix in titanium white if you want to control the opacity. The lead white is incredibly fast drying. Just wear gloves and strict working conditions!

    • @carnajom8831
      @carnajom8831 Před rokem

      I’ve heard it mentioned that it tends to crack though… but thats from canvas artists so perhaps not an issue for minis.

    • @christopherheintz2634
      @christopherheintz2634 Před rokem +1

      Flake white is a beautiful color.

    • @mugwart99
      @mugwart99 Před rokem

      @@carnajom8831 No, it's ivory black that cracks the most. It's also how you paint the painting that effects the cracking. Zinc is the white, I believe, that cracks the most.

    • @carnajom8831
      @carnajom8831 Před rokem

      @@mugwart99 ah, thanks for the correction

  • @carnajom8831
    @carnajom8831 Před rokem +5

    As someone who owns a “mixing white” I think I know where this is going and I feel vindicated! (Edit: oops meant to write this in the live chat 😂)

  • @sheepamogwolfs
    @sheepamogwolfs Před rokem

    I'm new and don't understand the topic fully yet. Mixing to much white desaturates the colors yes. If I mix a color with only a tiny tiny bit of normal white should do the same effect as mixing it with a normal amount of the "new" white of the video right?
    Thanks for all the cool videos.

    • @MarcoFrisoniNJM
      @MarcoFrisoniNJM  Před rokem +1

      Mixing and Zinc White are not less opaque because they have less pigment but because their pigments are different and differently treated. They behave and look different and this takes away the chalkiness and the pastelizing effect (that happens even with small quantities of titanium white because of the power of the single pigments) creating a very different visual and tactile output in the dry layer! Specifically about the desaturation: of course if you add a drop of paint into a big mass of white you obtain a similar desaturation (still, the tones keep looking more vibrant!) but the point is that the process is waaay more progressive and controllable and in our small applications that extra control can make a real difference

    • @sheepamogwolfs
      @sheepamogwolfs Před rokem +1

      Ok now I understand it much better thank you. You mentioned that in the video and I should have listened better or watched it again.
      You are awesome 😁

    • @MarcoFrisoniNJM
      @MarcoFrisoniNJM  Před rokem +1

      @@sheepamogwolfs don't worry at all, here we are definitely in a realm of subtle differences and the filter of the camera hides a ton of little things!

  • @Vertrucio
    @Vertrucio Před rokem +1

    So here's an interesting question, has anyone tried mixing one of these Mixing White tube paints so that it can be used in a dropper bottle? Tube paints are thick and I'm wondering what's the best thinner or medium to add to get it to that point. Would the dilution make it so that mixable quality is lost?

    • @MarcoFrisoniNJM
      @MarcoFrisoniNJM  Před rokem

      If you like a precise consistency you can for sure pre-mix. If you are looking for a standard mini paint consistency probably a bit of water is enough to keep the other properties at the same level...

  • @Annihilator27
    @Annihilator27 Před rokem

    So only use one of these mixing whites? I got confused when you brought up two whites to mix with a color

  • @JorenMathews
    @JorenMathews Před rokem

    Is there a difference between using transparent white, as compared to using less of an opaque white?

    • @MarcoFrisoniNJM
      @MarcoFrisoniNJM  Před rokem

      Mixing and Zinc White are not less opaque because they have less pigment but because their pigments are different and differently treated. They behave and look different and this takes away the chalkiness and the pastelizing effect (that happens even with small quantities of titanium white because of the power of the single pigments) creating a very different visual and tactile output in the dry layer! Specifically about the desaturation: of course if you add a drop of paint into a big mass of white you obtain a similar desaturation (still, the tones keep looking more vibrant!) but the point is that the process is waaay more progressive and controllable and in our small applications that extra control can make a real difference

  • @gomezzara_art
    @gomezzara_art Před rokem

    I was checking, it is safe to use Zinc White overall for our hobby? Was checking is quite toxic! D:

    • @MarcoFrisoniNJM
      @MarcoFrisoniNJM  Před rokem +1

      Don't eat it (thing that you shouldn't do with any colour, no matter how safe the label claim it to be!) and it's fine 😉

    • @gomezzara_art
      @gomezzara_art Před rokem

      @@MarcoFrisoniNJM Oh sure, but i wonder, for brush lickers out there and Airbrush fans...? Hahah

  • @JazzToTheTwo
    @JazzToTheTwo Před rokem +1

    Wait how did you airbrush with the mixing white? I didn't know you could airbrush with heavy body acrylics

    • @MarcoFrisoniNJM
      @MarcoFrisoniNJM  Před rokem

      You just need to thin them down! And brands like Golden have mediums to help stabilising better the heavy body in more watery mixes 😉

  • @jozefmiske8580
    @jozefmiske8580 Před rokem

    So W&N mixing white or schmincke transparent white are right one?

    • @MarcoFrisoniNJM
      @MarcoFrisoniNJM  Před rokem

      Any Zinc or mixing white from any artist range! These just happen to be the ones that I found locally 😉

  • @adamnguyen7943
    @adamnguyen7943 Před rokem

    But does this tinting intesity of different whites basically amount to proportions of paints used? Meaning - can I achieve the same results with Kimera White as the other two by simply using a much smaller amount?
    Cheers

    • @MarcoFrisoniNJM
      @MarcoFrisoniNJM  Před rokem

      It's not about pigments concentration but about pigments properties!

    • @adamnguyen7943
      @adamnguyen7943 Před rokem

      @@MarcoFrisoniNJM So the whites are fundamentaly different and no amount of proportion tweaking of ratios in mixes when using kimera white will allow me the same results of brightening the color without loosing saturation as with the other two?

  • @lauralaladarling3775
    @lauralaladarling3775 Před 4 dny

    Is this for artist's oil paint? Xxx

    • @MarcoFrisoniNJM
      @MarcoFrisoniNJM  Před 4 dny

      Any medium or brand! This one in particular is acrylic paint 😊

  • @N9ne88
    @N9ne88 Před rokem

    Could you not get the same result by mixing a lesser volume of the stronger white? If not, could you explain why?

    • @MarcoFrisoniNJM
      @MarcoFrisoniNJM  Před rokem +1

      Mixing and Zinc White are not less opaque because they have less pigment (thing that you obtain mixing less titanium white) but because their pigments are different and differently treated. They behave and look different and this takes away the chalkiness and the pastelizing effect (that happens even with small quantities of titanium white because of the power of the single pigments) creating a very different visual and tactile output in the dry layer! Specifically about the desaturation: of course if you add a drop of paint into a big mass of white you obtain a similar desaturation (still, the tones keep looking more vibrant!) but the point is that the process is waaay more progressive and controllable and in our small applications that extra control can make a real difference

    • @N9ne88
      @N9ne88 Před rokem +1

      @@MarcoFrisoniNJM Thank you for the reply! That makes perfect sense. I'm still new to painting (Hobbyist for 1 year now!) and know very little about mixing and colour theory and even less about paint consistency and texture. Thanks for giving me a push in the right direction with your videos, and for the nudge with the reply!

    • @MarcoFrisoniNJM
      @MarcoFrisoniNJM  Před rokem +1

      It's a pleasure 😊 Here we are in the territory of the subtle (visual) differences that become difficult to see and explain through a camera but everything makes more sense after a few experiments!

  • @stephenspackman5573
    @stephenspackman5573 Před rokem +1

    Warcolours have a “mixing white.” Same deal?

    • @MarcoFrisoniNJM
      @MarcoFrisoniNJM  Před rokem

      Probably! Never tried those but I imagine it covers a similar function