Amazon accused of "viewbotting" New World Aeternum trailer
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- čas přidán 3. 08. 2024
- Reddit user /u/randrogynous discovered that the New World Aeternum trailer has a very strange pattern of views that may indicate viewbotting. But is that really the case? Let's dig into it!
Reddit thread with the accusation: / amazon_games_appears_t...
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00:00 - Is New World viewbotting?
01:18 - The supposed evidence
03:14 - Weird spikes
04:42 - 2 aspects
05:12 - The view spike
07:50 - How the views are counted
08:56 - Botting would be less beneficial
09:49 - Weird spikes again
11:07 - Other form of view"botting"
#NewWorld #viewbotting #aeternum
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I suggest actually watching this video before reading the comments here, otherwise you may leave with the wrong impression
I can see why you say this
My instincts were telling me that they were paying to promote it and/or paying to advertise it. That is where the games funding is going to. Obviously not into content.
This has to be one of the most pathetic attempts by Amazon to gain attention for a dying game.
AGS are desperate lol
By that logic every company ever is desperate because they advertise ??
It's definitely a sign that Amazon Games spent a good chunk of money on creating views for that trailer, whether it was through CZcams's official promotional systems or via some kind of 3rd-party solution. I will say that my understanding for how CZcams views work is that for an ad to count as a 'view', a CZcams user has to either let the ad finish (if it's < 30 seconds in length), watch at least 30 seconds of the ad (if it's longer than that), or click on the ad. It seems wild that so many people would let the ad play for so long without skipping it, or click on it without many people bothering to subscribe afterwards, but I guess there's just a shit-ton of people watching CZcams all the time.
The fact that it hasn't had any obvious impact on their channel's subscriber-count, or other engagement metrics, suggests that it was a waste of money, just like their Summer Game Fest ad-buy. With all the money they've spent trying to 'trick' players into believing that "New World: Aeternum" is a new game, you have to wonder if they should have just invested those resources into *actual game development* instead.
It makes me sad seeing the utter disaster. This game could have been truly great, but it does not have competent leadership.
Your explanation makes sense, I can absolutely see why AGS would place their trailer as an ad: they already knew their interest for anything New World related was at an all-time low and thus organic discovery on CZcams would be bad anyway. This way, they can target an audience that wouldn't normally watch their trailer AND get their view count up making it look like there's more interest for the game.
I read a lot of the comments on X/Twitter about their announcements and looked at the people who were posting positively... some of them looked like they could be bots/paid positive comments based upon where else they posted and their comments elsewhere. Truly sad AGS decided to make enemies of their current loyal customers instead of bring us along side by side to make the game a better financial success
Yes they use paid bots too to give false look about it.
WoW does it too on X
I feel like botted trailer views sums up of my experience playing the game. I've but 2k+ hours into NW and I've always had this nagging suspicion that numerous players were actually AGS employees or individuals sponsored by AGS to play. I think if AGS' New World budget ever leaks, we would see a financial situation similar to the Rings of Power. Crazy amounts of money wasted on hype and nonsense no one needs or wants. I like the gameplay, but the commercialization/monetization of New World, imho, sucks eggs.
I can assure you that AGS employees do not "secretly", play this game. If they did, we could have some decent updates. Devs said they have 750 hours on average... that's laughable
Remember, the marketing people in AGS are on the ropes. This was a failure. I can fully believe someone in the marketing department blindly trying to save face.
It's absolutely amazing that they would spend this much money to viewbot their own video when they could have just put it towards making their game better while listening to their community
I suspected stuff like this might be happening when I was seeing the "positive" responses to their latest videos. There were many that felt identical to each other.
Good, different?
All the troubles they go through, while they could just listen to the community and make all the money in the world 😂
Ain’t that the truth
that implies that they have to "actually" work on the game to improve it...
that is, they still have marketers who are trying to do advertising, such stupid marketers need to be fired after the first mistake and not feed them for 3 years, spend online from 1 million to 5k, it’s also their fault, even a bugged game could turn the PR around and call on more people, creating a stir.
not surprised based on how they treated us they all should just be fired
Remaining New World players need to bond like the AhriMain community after the $500 skin drop.
It shows you the priorities of management. Instead of spending that money on content and earning free press from the content and creators and the fans they are putting it into marketing. If they don't get on better terms with the pc players before the relaunch that launch is going to be poisoned by bitter and disillusioned players. Give me a queue-able or skirmish war mode so everyone can have fun in the 50 50 wars and you get thousands of players back. New World's best feature is stupidly limited and gate kept by a small amount of players. New Worlds problems are all self inflicted.
I've also been confused by the discrepancy between Steam Charts and NWDB. There's been around 1k difference for several years. Even when the player numbers were high and now at an all time low, still 1k. I'm pretty sure there's not over 20% players sitting at the character screen all day. The more likely scenario is Amazon having their employees stay logged on all day and night to boost the player count. I can't prove it, but something is rather fishy. 🐠
Steam shows running clients, for example in the character selection window, and nwdb shows people on the server.
for example, someone was kicked out for AFK, he will be in the steam statistics but not on nwdb
@@SPR1G- 1k of the population for 3 years? Over 20% of the remaining population 24 hours a day? Your math is off.
It's the "Final Countdown" (random music) hehehe It's sad that the game was fun for the most part, but just bad leadership (Devs - Not the code monkeys for the most part, but the dev leadership and upper management mismanging this, they all had no MMO experience and it completely showed)
Desperate to save the NW division, need numbers for the higher ups. Now some people are getting fired instead of laid off. Whoops!
Do your part people, tell a friend, don't waste time and money on this trash game.
Bots, some Euro's and some East Coasters are keeping this game alive right now.
The company refuses to fix the issues that currently exist so they rather introduce new stuff instead... Looking forward to this October "experience" 😂
Any effort put into the right things would have saved this game. A year without content for the promise of less content is crazy. But now they've killed their most loyal player base it is doomed.
the embedding thing was still wild to me lmao. Literally every big New World streamer was embedded at some point. Then you had communities attacking each other because another streamer was doing the same thing that communities streamer was doing lol.
sry i let that video on repeat.
Hey, will someone explain exactly what happened to Duke playing Smite? I've tried to see if I can find a video explaining it, but nothing. He just suddenly stopped playing it completely in its entirety and im just curious as to why honestly?
This feels good different to me 🥳
Maybe they call these "action" viewers. It seems crazy.
yes
I don't play NW for a long time because is no end content but the game from 1 to hero is actually amazing experience and the combat like no others. I will definitely will start fresh character in October in the new servers after all depends if they will going to gives end game or not I personally think the game isn't dead but the next step will be crucial will they revive or are they kill it that will be the most important question. All the rest is irrelevant
liars, thieves & time wasters... console players beware
looks like their pushing the video by buying promotions thru CZcams's program. That how you get zig-zag lines their system triggers are crappy.
I have never seen it as an ad. AGS review bots the game and the DLC on Steam. It was really obvious that AGS was review botting right after the DLC came out, because there were lots of steam level 0 accounts making 1 line positive reviews.
ppl forget that once few ppl click a video with not that many clicks it recommend it to more ppl
how do you explain the fact that there are not many comments at a more than 1000% viewers increase then?
@@stefanangheloiu272 idk man but what would be the point? PC players gave up on the game long time ago with this shit dev team.. and console players gonna move on real quick aswell.. i just dont see a reason to viewbot a trailer uless they had to show bezos the numbers soo they can mild 2 more paychecks :D
Stop trying to make New World: Aeternum happen! It's not going to happen.
Just because you said...😂😂😂😂😂😂
Cept it literally is lol
It's sooo fetch
they dont need bots, they just have to place the trailer on websites and soon as random people click on the website the trailer automatically plays, simple as that..
Who cares about who views it. Tons played on PC with a thriving and sometimes strange community, i have no suspicion whatsoever that bot views will affect the hype. Doesnt even come out for over 4 months. Almost half a year. Just came to leave this comment, vaguely saw your video, nice job. Topic, however, eh.
Seems like auto plays from ads on homepage of things like ps5/xbox
The consoles link to a version of the trailer that they host themselves. Similarly, IGN and other big gaming sites have their own version on their channels. I don't know if those places can monetize the trailer, or if they do it just so they can get their own detailed metrics for viewership in order to decide what to promote or write articles about.
👀
they finally pay you ^^
I hate AGS and I won't play another one of their games. That having been said, even if view botting were occurring or had occurred in the past on their videos, there's been nothing linking them to any alleged botting. It could just as easily be a few rabid mega-fans botting the videos to pump up their stats.
now im gonna go watch the trailer...
check the ps5 version of new world aeternum on console.. 99% positive reviews and 4.8 star rating,, NOTE: your not allowed to add a review.. so who is actually making these reviews.. we all know...
It's probably embedded in plenty of sites and even if they viewbot that's pretty normal in the industry. One good example where it isn't is the GTA6 trailer to whom you can compare it pretty well usually.
why would they buy fake views with bots when they can buy real views with ads, this claim makes no sense
Of course they are hehe
Sinplest answer is more probably true than you spending 5+ minutes ezcusing view botted video.
I have seen ads on FB for this, and the comments are actually pretty positive from console players.
Could they have embedded somewhere?
I think its both Add, viewbotting and embeddement
We should want october to br an amazing relaunch. It is what it is now, so got to hope console release is great and devs then quickly move to content updates that'll be good for pc, like.....a goddam new opr map or 4
Yes they are botting
First
PC players will have to accept that when this drops on Console, people on those platforms will play it. To try it out at least. I used to play it but only got 55 hours in. My laptop can no longer run it.
I enjoyed my 55 hours.
If I get get that out of the game again with my xbox friends then fine
I already have eso and such. I don't need an endless content game to add onto my limited SSD
100 hours in a game is worth it to me. It's about the journey not the destination. When I get to end game and get bored of it, I move onto the next game. It will be X amount of hours spent having fun with my friends
You will change your viewpoint when you find game that you want to invest more of your time. For some it's rust, others will play wow and some new world. But games are build on that certain playerbase because if you have said playerbase you can still work on game, run new expansion which will grab another people with new content that will be willingly to play it. But if game dies because you shit on your exisiting playerbase, nobody will ever buy another expansion for mmo that have playercount of 200 players.
Amazon SHOULD care about this kind of loyal playerbase but they are not gamers. They are developers with similar view on game as you and that's what kills new world the most.
I think most pc players who wished to continue with an mmo experience have stopped playing, unsubscribed from any AGS reddit/youtube/digital media places and are moving on to other games now. Probably still rightly frustrated with the company (and may vocalise this) but the game is no longer for us now. Too many good new games coming out to worry about this one any further and certainly to invest any further time into it. What I find strange, AGS are launching NCSOFTS MMO come September, a month prior to this launch. I do wonder whether they're hoping the old pc players will go to Throne and Liberty over Aeternum. Either way console players will get their 100 hours as you say, doubt they will spend much more than that so the whole crafting/trading post/seasonal content will be irrelevant. Who knows and at this point as im no longer playing who cares. Tragic shame. Intereste dto see other games covered though DukeSloth, enjoyed your content!
I mean you’re right but when it’s games like WoW, Genshin Impact, Warframe, I think the 100 hours thing kinda goes away. The 100 hour rule is kinda more for like indie games or like an RPG single player games… but either way new world take WAAAY longer than 100 hrs to get to endgame
@@THIEVIN. Nope. There will be crosservers and pc players who will still play will shit on console players in pvp for at least another year before console players start to be a little more competetive than bots.
I agree they should have given more to PC players. Imagine a console port with crossplay AND daggers. And then something else.
But I am happy it is coming to console so I can play it properly (my gtx1650 struggles)
And play with my friends. Then when we are over it, we are over it.
Someone could be botting the account trying to get it suspended. It's a waste of money,
It happens to smaller content creators, but the difference here is likely AGS has protection in place that other accounts cannot get. Typically, they'll bot a content creator and the algo tanks their views pretty easily by de-ranking the video. I'm going to guess AGS is some sort of contractual customer and they're protected from that, so this is the side effect.
the contrast in your "ahoy" and tone of voice from the recent videos to a year ago are worrisome, you sound so dead recently:(
Console players are bozos who will buy anything. AGS will not suffer for their mistakes. :D
True
I doubt it. I game on PC and console. My console buddies are medium interested. I can believe that they may have clicked a NW video.
Who cares about that shit? They will release a bugy console release and next year its done
when will they realize SEA is their biggest market? Never heard about a server for SEA. You're marketing in NA where you're trying to beat out WoW and FF14. Lol.
@@THIEVIN.AP is not SEA. Massive lag, no language support. Alienating the world's biggest mmo demographic is just classic AGS stupidity/arrogance.
I doubt they will success on sea, this game not type of sea
New world IS the BEST MMO,maybe better in Next year,just look the market albion tarisland,pax dai wow teso,new world IS the best
Trippin hard. 😂
Albion, wow and teso are better lets be real
Who cares honestly
Who even cares if they view botted 😂 it's just 1 game doing 1 release...you guys got such a witch hunt against AGS, holy guacamoley
Corporate shill 😂
Im hear to tell you that the console release will be a game changer despite what all you haters are saying. I play everyday. Yes we need more content but I still enjoy the game.