🆚Vox AC15C1 vs Vox AC10 vs Vox Mini Superbeetle🆚
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- čas přidán 9. 07. 2024
- Today I'm doing a comparison of the Vox AC15c1 VS AC10 VS Mini Superbeetle. I'm not trying to determine which is the better amp, but rather what are the common points and differences.
We'll be listening to all three amps with clean and gain tones, and I'll be using my Gibson Les Paul Junior, Feneder Telecaster and my Squier Strat.
Let's go have a listen and let me know which amp you prefer, the AC10, AC15 or the MINI Superbeetle.
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0:00 AC10 VS AC15 VS MINI SUPERBEETLE
0:06 AC10 with LP Junior
0:33 MSB with LP Junior
0:47 AC15 with LP Junior
1:18 THE TONE LOUNGE
1:33 My experience with Vox amps
2:16 point of this video
2:38 The differences between all three amps
3:36 The gear I'm using
4:05 Strat AC10 Clean
4:27 Strat MSB Clean
4:46 Strat AC15 Clean
5:06 Tele AC15 with slight gain
5:26 Tele MSB with slight gain
5:46 Tele AC10 with slight gain
6:07 Strat AC15 heavy gain
6:23 Strat AC10 heavy gain
6:42 Strat MSB heavy gain
7:00 Which amp would I go with?
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There IS nothing more pleasing than a VOX amp! I'm old and disabled now, and my touring days are long gone. What was my favorite rig, was my VOX AC30, with my '67 Tele Custom! I have (for home use), a VOX VR-20. I can almost carry it, and it sounds great!
A Vox and a Tele is a fantastic combination. It's my go-to rig for 90% of my gigs. I have not checked out the VR-20, I'll have to look that one up. Thanks for sharing your experience. Cheers
Also, been following you for the past month. Thoroughly enjoy your videos.
I'm glad that you enjoyed the videos thus far. Let me know if there are any topic I have not covered that you would like to see on the channel. Cheers
Arksolva Studio wouldn’t change a thing. I’m glad you added the solos, helps me “get” the sound you’re demonstrating.
Very interesting video!!! 4 years ago I needed an amp to gig with friends, I rented an AC10 for the weekend, I never wanted to bring it back, so I bought it. I never regretted having done it, it's my practice home amp.🙂 Thanks!
The AC10 is a great amp. It has a much better gain sound than the AC15, imho.
Great video! Thanks
My pleasure Scott!
Incredibly well put together video, specifically your verbal approach - not really too concerned with the editing quality. Thanks!
Thanks for the feedback. This is one of my early videos, so the editing was the best I could do at the time. 🙂
Have and love all three of them.
Do you have a favourite?
I bought an AC10 after your other video comparing the AC15 & the AC10. I've never regretted the decision. However, it was my first Vox amplifier and I have fallen completely in love with Vox and may get an AC15 for gigging (once gigging is a thing again).
That’s awesome! Welcome to the club of Vox fantastics. Let me know if you get the AC15, I’d love to hear your thoughts.
i have an AC10 for my apartment studio. Love the amp. Does everything I need and sounds great.
The AC10 is a fantastic choice. Great sounding amp with plenty of gain.
Have to say, I love the simplicity of your videos.....they get the job done really well! Based on what I heard though, I think the Super Beetle sounds pretty tiny, boxy and thin, and I could never imagine anyone gigging it.
Okay, to be clear, I have the AC15, and an AC4 C1x12........and I’m about to upgrade the AC4 to an AC10........this vid, and your other one, have convinced me I NEED an AC10 in my life! :)
Thanks for the feedback. The super beetle has a switch at the back that increases the bass significantly. That can help it sound huge. But since it has the ability to support 4/8/16 ohms, you can use it with pretty much anything you want, which would make it a better contender against the other two amps. Let me know if you get an AC10, I'm curious to hear your feedback! Cheers
The AC15 to me sounds best. 10’s just don’t seem to deliver the punch of a 12 inch speaker. Plus spring reverb wins over digital reverb
I tried playing both amps with an ABY pedal and it sounded killer. The 10" and the 12" make for a great pair.
I think for the mini you have to think of it as a great amp head with a bedroom cab, hooking it up to a cab that can take the full 50w would probably make a huge difference
I absolutely agree with you. That head is very useful too. Small and light weight, just pop it in your bag and show up at the gig.
Good stuff! I have an AC15CH arriving today :)
You're going to have fun with that amp!
I'm sad you got rid of that head, Landon.
I like the AC 10, Ac15 as a close Runner-up. Thanks for the showing all three
My pleasure Johnny! Have you gotten to try both in person?
@@TheToneLounge yes, I did. I ended up getting the AC 10 for My Studio because it's a fairly small room. It fills the room nicely. But the AC 15 has that warmer golden sound so I hope to get that one one day just to play loud. Didn't care for the Mini because I already have the Vox Valve out -put . Thank you for asking.
For My Studio, if I bought the AC 15, I would never be able to turn it up in order to fully achieve that rich sound. I felt the 15 was for bigger applications.
@@TheToneLounge I feel that Amplifiers are designed for their Tone and Volume and when you don't turn them up your not getting the fullness of the tone it was built for. That's also why I got the AC 10. It's not over-kill for my room. I have the Valve Tronix and it's a nice amp but the AC 10 is much nicer. I felt the Mini was a larger amp of the AC Valve Tronix. But it is a nice Amp
Interesting conclusion. I’ve owned an AC15 in the past way too loud for home use and really heavy so gigging will keep you fit. I’ve heard the super beetle in other reviews and it sounds really good. Although in this video it sounds quite thin compared to the others but that will be the smaller speaker that makes the difference.
I’m a solid state guy now because tube amps are a ball ache because they don’t always like the power supply in the building and tubes could fail at any time so you’re in the lap of the gods in that side if things.
I hear you about solid state amps. They are reliable and require next to nothing in terms of care. I have a big fancy pants Bad cat amp that just started farting out this morning. It sounds great, but I probably have to change the tube, as it sounds like there is a snow storm in my amp.
Just got a MSB today and LOVE IT!!! The option to use that little head with a four 12 or a two 12 is great. Tone for days out of that amazing little thing!
Totally agree! Do you use any pedals?
@@TheToneLounge yes I recently got a Warm Audio reissue of the Foxy Tone Box and it sounds really good through the Vox!!
I have the MSB. I love it and yes, I gig with it. Mind you, we don't play arenas. I just put a 12" speaker in a cabinet and hope to post a demo of it with the 10" it comes with and with that 12". Thanks for doing a great job on this comparison!
Thanks Tim! Must be light and less cumbersome to haul around, right?
great video!
Glad you enjoyed it Did you have a favorite?
@@TheToneLounge The ac15 but it's hard to tell really , likely better to be in the room.
Great playing and nice songs!
Thanks Carlo! Which amp did you prefer?
@@TheToneLounge I prefer the AC15C1. What a amp! I rented it the other day at the music store and it was very very good and cool! For the price it’s amazing! Now I need to buy one 😁 Cheers from Canada !
Great video.. I’m surprised with your conclusion as I thought in your clips it sounded inferior to the other two.
+2speedy4u22 tastes are a very subjective thing, of course, but I think the Mini would sound perfect in a mix. It is less flattering on it’s own, but it cuts a lot. It would benefit from a 2x12 or 4x12.
If I was concerned about money and saving space, I wouldn’t play guitar... AC15 for me all the way
That's a very good point. I'm afraid to even attempt counting how much money I have put on gear. Scary stuff.
Arksolva Studio oh I always tell the wife she should be glad I’m not a motorcycle or car guy!
Dang, that's a great point. I'll steal that excuse and use that one too. ;)
I always tell mine at least I don't chase women or do drugs. Lol
Thank you 😀
You're welcome 😊
I own the AC15 and the Mini Superbeetle. Of course, the AC15 is the mothership of all VOX Amps. But as you said, you can put the head of the Mini Superbeetle into your backbag and plug it in anywhere. Especially - you can go straight into the PA, through the Lineout and it sounds phantastic! I use it, whenever it is not possible to carry my AC15.
Sometimes I do a 2 amps setup at home - and the Mini and AC15 together are so much Vox, as much as you want it!
The AC10 will have to wait, I have currently no room for it, but maybe a small AC4 will come next into my VOX collection.
The AC4 looks like a cool amp as well. I'd love to get my hands on one. I still forgot to record the MINI with it's direct out. Darn it! When I made the first videos with it, I had forgotten to use that feature. I borrowed the amp again to make this new video, and forgot to try it...again. The AC10 is very cool. I owned mine for as long as it took me to make this new series of videos lol. I'd love to get my hands on a MINI, I'd probably do something like what you are doing. Makes total sense.
Finally I know how to play all right now!!!
+Sebastian Dracu it’s such a killer tune!
Thanks for a great video! Very informative and helpful. How much louder is AC-15 compared to a AC-10? AC-10 works superbly at low volumes, but how about AC-15 for home use?
Great playing, enjoying many other your videos too. Keep up the good work!
Thank you for the kind words. I don't think the AC15 is very much louder than the AC10, to be honest. They are both capable of being very loud if need be.
I think that for home use, the AC10, for me, is the better choice. It sounds far better at lower volumes and the master volume is not as finicky with finding the sweet spot at lower settings.
Great review. I own the Mini Beetle too, and this is not a toy, as people may think .... there is nothing wrtitten on the manual about changing the nutubes inside .... I am afraid that when the thing is dead, well ..... I don't even know how to replace it ! great tones and such power from such a small stack !
The MSB is a super cool little amp. Those replacement tubes for it are like $50. So if you grab a pair you should be good for a long time, just bring it to a tech to get it fitted. Not as convenient as regular tubes to change, but they are said to last far longer.
At last! I've been waiting for this one. I've got the mini super beetle. I love it. Almost bought an AC10 yesterday, but had to resist, because I really want the AC 15, and im saving up, so I figured no sense in jumping the gun, especially since I'm close to being able to afford the 15. As a matter of fact, I'll have enough as of tomorrow. But I love vox amps too, and definitely enjoy videos like this. Thanks for posting😎😎
You'll love the AC15! It's a fantastic sounding amp and I don't regret buying it over the AC10. I make videos like this to help people make informed decisions, but also to minimize my G.A.S. as I do want to buy all the Vox I see. I think it is turning into a problem lol
Well, i have the Beetle, but you won me over when straight away you go into Koss mode! Think i will try and hook the Beetle to my Supro 2x12 cab, should be awesome!
Nice comparison between all three amps. Each with their own distinct characteristics.
The Mini SuperBeetle is a cool looking man cave beast. It has perhaps the most modern character to my ears, but still with that Vox tone. It is quite HiFi. My issue with NuTube amps currently is they have only so far managed to tackle the preamp end. In other words the 12AX7/ECC83 valve curve. And not as yet the output section. In the MiniSuperBeetle it’s not really too much of an issue, but when VoX/Korg crack the output section, then NuTubes will at that point be the valve amps of the future.
To my ears the AC10 is slightly boxy, but not in a bad way. I do think the AC15 that you bought has the nicest overall sound for gigging use.
Don’t think there is actually a wrong choice amongst them.
You are right Paul, they are all great choices. :)
I’ve owned the AC10 and AC15 (also a 1x12 AC30). If I’m able to get the volume up without being a nuisance, AC15. However, I lived in an apartment when I owned the AC10 and at bedroom levels the 10 can sound fantastic. The 15 really needed to be pushed a bit to sound sweet imo. The 30 was WAY too loud regardless 😂
Totally love my AC10c1. Sounds great. Reverb good too.
Tom Hamby The AC10 is awesome. How long have you had it?
The Tone Lounge - I got my AC10c1 not long after they first came out, 3 years ago or so, don’t remember exactly. Love it with humbuckers or single coils.
@@trigliderider Yeah it performs great with pretty much any guitar you plug into it. You still use the stock tubes?
The Tone Lounge - yup, still running it totally stock. I see no reason to change a thing yet.
There you go! I ran the stock tubes for 2 years before changing them to JJs.
The AC 10 is by far the best choice for me ( I own an AC 30 TB 62 RI/UK-made). It has more bottom in a rounder fashion then does the super beetle.… At least to my ears over my iPad. I would like to know whether the AC 15 was Chinese made or UK made. It looks to me to be the Chinese variety with Reverb and a Gain knob. The 10 also seemed to retain the famous chime of the 60s Vox amps . TTFN! Thanks.
Yes my AC15 is a 2017 Chinese made Vox. I’ve never played a vintage UK made Vox, but would love to someday.
The AC10 has that Vox chime for sure. It is a very cool amp. Definitely a serious gigging/recording amp.
i will stick for quiet long time with my AC15C1 Jonathan,,,, i don´t know somehow i love them so much,as you can see on some videos reviews i did about too,how pedal friendly they were,,,freaking loud but amazing amp,i did tries some AC30 too,,,but AC15 still on the top of my list
Yeah, I owned a few Vox amps before deciding to go with the AC15. It just does what I want to hear, clean to crunchy! Sounds fantastic.
My vox ac15c1 with 7kg less would be perfect. What an amp! 9 years and still going
Yeah, I have owned mine since 2017 and still love it. What speaker is in yours?
Really great VOX reviews, thank you. Thanks to them I'm picking up my new AC15C1 tomorrow. I have a BOSS Combo Drive BC-2, but I'm considering buying an Ibanez NTS Tube Screamer for my new VOX. Any thoughts?
I have not tried that one yet. Here is a suggestion from me: if there is a Way Huge Green Rhino at the store, add it to your pedal shootout and compare it to the NTS. I got one yesterday and I'm totally impressed with how great it sounds. I own a TS9, a Boss SD-1 and an EHX Soul Food and in my humble opinion, the Green Rhino is the clear winner.
@@TheToneLounge Interesting.. checked the guitar center webstore, only Way Huge they've got in stock is the Overrated Special (WHE208)
@@Ouscazz Different beast. I think this a Dumble-in-a-box type pedal. Never tried that one so can't recommend it.
@@TheToneLounge Yeah.. I didn't buy a VOX to make it sound like a Dumble. Seems to be a great pedal anyway and I'll see if I can try it out and compare it to the NTS tomorrow.
Oh yeah, try as many as you can. You might walk out with the pedal you wanted, or something completely different. You'll know you did good when you walk out with both lol.
I own the Mini Beetle and love it! I also use the "Flat" setting as it sounds nicer to my ear. What is the "Deep" settings purpose or advantage? I just didn't prefer that tone although it wasn't a huge difference. I like the option though. Good video!
The "deep" setting is to create a bit more of a cranked amp feel at lower volumes. Cool if you play at bedroom levels but it gets muddy when you crank the amp up.
@@TheToneLoungeThe owner's manual says 'DEEP' gives a warm sound through smaller cabinets, and 'FLAT' gives you a flat sound through larger cabinets. The factory setting is 'DEEP,' since it comes with only a 10" cabinet.
I just bought an AC-10 for apartment playing. I use a ‘91 Peavey Classic-50 4x10 at rehearsal & shows, but I can’t get a good low-volume .. it doesn’t *have* a low volume.
Nice shoot out. I own the MSB, I'm pretty happy with it and mainly got it for the same reasons you pointed out. I live in a small condo and an AC-15 or AC-10 would be just too much sound-wise to just use at home. The MSB is just perfect for my needs and situation, but if I had the room for it, I would go for the AC-15.
Which version did you get? I would love to get the MSB in either racer green or Union Jack,
@@TheToneLounge I got just the one with the standard black cover. I would have loved to get the racer green covered amp. Those do look nice.
Yeah, I wish they would have more colour options.
I am going to buy an AC10 in the near future. I used to have a Vox AD50VT and sold it for other gear. The amp was heavier than I wanted, but it had great sound. I look forward to rejoining the VOX family again.
The AC10 is a killer amp! Have you tested one out yet? Or did you buy online?
@@TheToneLounge I am probably going to buy online. From what I have heard the G.C. is pretty limited on stock because of Covid. Seeing videos like this can really help make an informed decision.
Well I’m glad that the video is helpful. Let me know if you have any questions. Cheers
@@TheToneLounge I just ordered it. I found a great deal on a used one. I can't wait for it to arrive.
Looking forward to hearing your thoughts.
You convinced me not to by another Vox amp. I bought the Mini for Christmas and really dig the sound with my 1963 Gretsch Corvette. I thought I needed the Vox AC-15. I have owned many Vox amps over the last 53 years from a Viscount, 2 Super Beatles, Royal Guardsman, AC 10 tubes, and a 1968 AC30 TB. I now own a Berkeley III and a Buckingham (I like the MRB and the bass channel) , an Ampeg Reverbrocket, Traynor YGM, Rickenbcker TR-25 Univox U-305R. This little amp is the one I keep close by and play often. It gets almost all the clean sounds I like . I am a British Invasion guy heavy into early Beatles. Hard to decide which ones to let go.
The Mini Super Beetle is a fantastic little amp. I was surprised at the tones I could squeeze out of it. I own an AC4, AC15 and a Gibson GA-15RVT, and the bottom line is that once you know what you like and want, you can totally enjoy an amp like the MSB, as it's not just cute but also a great amp.
AC15 sounded best. the beetle a little thin. BUT, i was looking this up because i was demo'ing guitars at a shop and when i got home, realized how much was the AMP. fell in love with the sound on clean. learned it was a superbeetle.
I own the ac 10 and ac15 c1 love em both
They are both great choices.
I have to agree the Mini Superbeetle I would choose pretty much the same reasons, I currently own a VOX VTX20 love it, getting into those other amps there is cost plus I am just a hobby player having a big VOX in the room the neighbours would not be too happy, the guitar I use is an Ibanez RGA FM42 Dual Humbuckers,
+Canadian in the UK I’ll have to look up that guitar of yours. The Mini is a cool amp. I’m keeping my out eye for a used one. If guitar is just a hobby, then this amp makes so much sense.
@@TheToneLounge if your in Canada or Toronto, here is a link www.long-mcquade.com/80798/Guitars/Electric-Guitars/Ibanez/RGA-Electric-Guitar---Blue-Lagoon-Burst-Flat.htm I love this guitar for the money you cannot go wrong, the stock pups are great but I am looking to upgrade them eventually, but the Mini is the next amp I will get , one thing about these vox amps including my own is they look great ,
I’m in Kingston! I’ll go check it out. Cheers
I have a Vox AC30cc2x and a mini Superbeetle. I love both amps but for home use and recording that little Superbeetle kicks some serious arse. I gotta say.
I hear you Rick. The MSB is fantastic. Are you running it through the original cab?
The Tone Lounge yes. I haven’t tried it through any other cab, for me there’s really no need to. I can get a really great driven tone out of it without upsetting the neighbours. Which makes it perfect for recording in my home studio. It also takes pedals really well. I love my AC30 but it’s just too much amp for home use. I’ll never sell it, and it looks good sitting in my little studio. The MSB is perfect for my needs. Really enjoyed your demo too.
Thanks Rick. Yeah smaller amps are great for home studios. I just got my hands on an AC4 today. I'll be making a series on that amp very soon.
The mini Super Beetle is such amazing, such beautiful tones, in such a small package. My only wish would be to add a footswitch allowing to turn tremolo on/off and activating the drive on/off.
It looks good and sound great.
It does lack a few features, but I think it’s a great amp. Perhaps those features will come at some point. How do you like the amp with pedals?
I play it mostly without any effects at all, but when I do, it is with a Keeley Mod Workstation, giving me one boost, one overdrive and almost any modulation I need (harmonic tremolo, phaser or rotary) in just a tiny pedal. It just sounds great, I think it is a great platform amp for vintage sounding effects. I also add a Dunlop Mini Hendrix wah.
I would not try any metal oriented pedal through it because it would just not fit or match the amp philosophy.
I do not understand all the buzz around the Fender Tone Master , because for me the revolution in amp occured last year with this Vox super beetle. It sounds better than my former Mesa Boogie Transatlantic which was supposed to give a Vox Sound but let me down on stage after 5 months. I own the Vox since 10 months and never have any issue at all... I would play a gig with it if I had a powerful matching Vox cabinet.
@@franckrichard8077 Hey man. Plug it thru any british style 4x12 or any 4x12 for that matter (but thru british style cabs it just sounds right) mic it up and you can get thru any gig.
Thanks for the video! I’m a vox addict. Saving for the ac15. Really enjoy my mini super beetle. I play a Guild Bluesbird-sounds incredibile through vox amps. I think you’d enjoy the bluesbird, great guitar.
You'll love the AC15! It's a great amp, especially if you already love the Vox sound. I have never played a Guild Bluesbird. How does it fair compared to other LP style guitars?
Arksolva Studio it has a chambered mahogany body. Seymour Duncan USA jb sh 4 at the bridge and SD ‘59 sh 1n at the neck. Can really play it hard driving blues, rock or pull back and a clean with some twang.
Much lighter weight than the lp, which I like. Feels balanced
That sounds like my kind of axe. I owned a Les Paul Custom for half my life. That thing was so heavy, I hated using it Live. A chambered body would have been nice lol.
I’ll have to check out that Guild. I’m sad to say, I’ve never had an opportunity to play a Guild.
Are all of them an option? Is that Run To You by Bryan Adams you started with? Just curious.
All great options. What are you looking for?
Jonathan, if it’s between a MSB stock and an AC10 with JJs and a Creamback, which would you choose? I had a MSB ordered but now I can get a AC10 for just $100 more. Unfortunately, no local MSBs to play to compare myself.
I would go AC10 100%! That sounds like a great deal on that amp. Go for it!
I love my mini super beetle... nice tone for practice and gig...
How do you like it for gigs? Do you us a different cab?
Arksolva Studio im using it as it is, not replacing its cab, i’m just micing it up if needed...
That’s very cool.
I enjoy your reviews and would like your opinion. Which one would you recommend with a tele? And for bedroom practice? And for a mostly blues/jazz player who uses crunch sparingly?
I am looking for my first serious amp, and if you know any other amps that fit my specs, I'd like your help.
A few questions first:
1. What is your budget?
2. How loud can you get away with at home?
3. Do you intend to play loud shows with it?
@@TheToneLounge 1. Near about $700
2. Not too loud (my mom can and will beat me up) 😄
3. Yes, I want an amp which can be deemed "decent" if I decide to play in a small venue
All in all, I'm looking for a versatile amp which will retain it's signature (more or less) when turned down to bedroom levels, as well as be gig ready (by itself) for small venues and with additional accessories at medium sized venues. Nothing too crazy pro.
What's more important is that I enjoy the amp and end up playing more and thereby learning more.
So here are a few pros and cons, I will let you determine which is best for you.
1 - The AC15 is a great amp. It is packed with the most features compared to the other two. It is plenty loud with a band, great reverb/tremolo and has the Normal/TB inputs. Takes pedals extremely well.
It is heavy, like pretty heavy. It’s not the best sounding at very low volume, although you can make it work with my “bedroom tips” video.
2. The AC10 is great for gigs, sounds good at bedroom level, has a great sounding clean & distortion. Not too heavy to carry around either.
If you are looking for clean headroom, this amp gets dirty fast. There’s only one input, based on the TB. Digital reverb and no tremolo.
3. MSB sounds great at any volume. Digital reverb and Tremolo. Can be plugged into a 4,8 and 16 ohm cab. At 4 ohms the amp upscales from 25 to 50 watts. Extremely small and super light!
It does not take pedals so well.
I'm wondering, is the ac10 giggable cause I've been looking at a range of different tube amps but I'm not sure which is worth getting and which isn't
Here are my thoughts.
1. If you play a gig where you'll be mic'ed, then yes!
2. If you are playing with a band that knows how to control their volume and dynamics, then yes.
3. If you play big venues without a mic, and your drummer is a Neanderthal, then I would say no.,
@@TheToneLounge ok, thanks for your help mate
All the best 👍🏻
I have had all three. Sold the ac15 due to the weight and having to lug around to gigs. I opted for the ac10 x2 and just got a super beetle, and probably buy two as you are right, very loud. Plus we usually mic through a house PA. Both are much lighter in weight and easy on the back and space to pack in the SUV and with the pedal board and guitars. Loved the tone of the ac15 and an ac30, but again after downloading from the ac30 to an ac15 for weight, I finally said it was again time to get lighter.
That is what I love about the gear market right now, we have quality at very affordable prices. You can buy two MSB for the price of an AC15. I loved the MSB and thought it sounded ace. I'll more than likely get my hands on another one at some point and keep it!
How are you finding the MSB with pedals? I thought it sounded a bit compressed compared to the AC10/15. Do you have any "go-to" pedals that work great with it?
Love your channel but the AC15 was waaaaaayyyy out in front as far as tone depth and headroom. The mini is cute but I can’t imagine gigging with it because it’s tone is like a practice amp. It’s a cool living room amp. The AC10 is awesome but also IMO more in the practice realm. Anyway, just my humble two cents. Great vids and reviews 👍🏼
The AC15 will fit some people's needs more than others. In person, you might pick a different amp. It's hard to do justice to the tonal aspects of amplifiers in a video. I try but there are always some variants at play. I own and love my AC15, but know a few people from the TTL community who swear by their MSN or AC10.
Get comparison on the amps. I love the Vox mini superbeetle beetle!
What do you prefer about it?
@@TheToneLounge I like that its not heavy and you can throw a different head on the cabinet which adds to the versatile package. I think all the Vox amps are great, but the Mini Superbeetle is low maintenance and sounds, to me, as good as any of them. :)
"I'm somewhat of a Voxologist myself." I have had all of them now. The only great thing about the MSB is the Headphone/Aux output and recording generic tracks. I gave the MSB to my 11 year old and kept the 30c2,15c2 and 10. Each of them give you a Dynamic for different uses. I still find myself playing all of them at different times. If you have to play with headphones, the MSB is the only one that can do it but the ac10 has a great low volume tone. Although, I can play all of them, even my AC30c2 at low enough volumes to not be obnoxious to the rest of the house. ..depends on the practice tone you need though.
I'd love to own more than two Vox amplifiers. I have the AC15 and AC4bl, both great amps for what they are. I remember thinking that the MSB was cool, but as I recall it does not take pedals so well. Have you noticed that with yours?
My Vox AC15 died...Vox is in the procees of replacing it for me because it was under warranty. Because it was dead I gigged with my brothers Vox Mini Beatle...I found that it does not have enough headroom to gig with easily (I use many pedals). If you play one genre (classic rock) you could make it work by diming the amp and rolling the volume nob on guitar (it cleans up so well) and rolling tone back to sit behind vocals...but if you go between jazz cleans and grunge distortion in the same set or same song you exaust the headroom too quickly and it is nearly impossible to get a lead boost...the AC15 i don't have that problem...i can set amp up clean...hit a diet pedal for crunch...stack another for heavy crunch and still hit a 15db boost for lead (not that i would do such insanity) but the headroom is there....idk...just for my band sitaution the mini beatle didnt work nearly as well. I loved how tiny it was though haha.
Sorry to hear about your amp. What you are saying about the mini makes total sense. When I experimented with it, I used pedals with it and it really did reduce the headroom significantly. So I can only imagine that cranking it up will reduce it further. I have pedals, but hardly ever use them. For the most part I play straight in the amp most of the time. I use pedals for gigs or for songs that require a different tone. If I were to get a MINI, it would be to plug straight in. Thanks for sharing!
try to score a second cab for the mini!! Sounds fantastic!
What cab are you using with yours?
Really like the AC15 cleans. Then actually think I preferred the higher gain on the AC10; guess it's working harder. At gig volumes, the AC15 would probably come into it's own. Liked the super beetle cleans, but not convinced the the dirty sounds. Similar to the Pathfinder 15, sound good and Voxy. But needs a pedal to give it good dirty sounds.
Hello! Great video and explanation. I have one question if you don't mind. Between the AC15C1 and the Mini SB, how do they behave with Fuzz pedals? Thanks a million!
The MSB is not so good with pedals imho. The AC15 is killer with fuzz.
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@@TheToneLounge thank you ever so much!
@@thomasanahory my pleasure. Let me know if you have more questions. Cheers
I just wish they made AC10 with tremolo and spring reverb. That would be a dream bedroom amp.
I have no clue why they didn't do so. The MSB has them, so I wonder why they never bothered to put it in the AC10.
Hey Jonathan. I have had the chance to try my mini super beetle head at 3 different studios in a live jam situation thru 3 different 4 x 12 cabinets.
A Line 6 4 ohm cabinet, a Behringer 4 ohm cabinet and a Laney 8 ohm cabinet. Volume was at 11 o' clock for the line 6 and behringer, 12 o'clock for the laney. And it was really loud. Sounds best thru the Laney to my ears. Hope this info helps. 🤘🏻
Great to know Shafik! It’s going to be useful for those wondering about this. Cheers mate
Actually the MSB has 4/8/16 ohm output.
@@TheToneLounge yep, was thinking of the ac4
Hey Johnathan. Here's an update. I just played the MSB head thru a 16ohm 120W Laney Lionheart 4x12 cabinet loaded with celestion G12 Heritage speakers. Its sounds really amazing. Half volume is plenty loud to keep up with acoustic drums, a bass and another guitar. Played straight for 3 hours. I can assure everyone nothing was fried. Even the studio owner was surprised just how loud this little thing was.
That’s awesome! Those little amps are very cool. I intend to get one with the Union Jack flag at some point.
I own the Vox Mini Beetle and love it but I prefer the Joyo Atomic through a Vox BC 108 Cab W/Boss Tremolo and Boss Reverb Pedals. The Joyo is $139.00 or so but with the Vox cab it just has more punch and seems properly balanced. You can't beat the Vox Mini Beetle for coolness and good sound but the Joyo nails the Vox AC15 sound...hands down.
+Paul Weddle I have not tried the Joyo Atomic but I’d be curious to. What do you like about it, tone wise, over the MSB?
It has a pre amp tube and two channels. Clean and OD. I was surprised how much livlier it was compared to my Vox Mini Beetle. It's basic but the sound was so good to my ear that I bought some pedals for it. It's a smoother, real sound to my ears. Give it a try...look at reviews..
I have a vox Cambridge, order the mini
The Mini is a very cool amp! Which colour would you get?
What about if you had to get rid of one of them. Which one would you part with first?
+2speedy4u22 the AC10! It is too similar to the AC15, and has less options than the MSB.
Whould the ac15 be too much for home use as i had a ac10 and that was loud as hell so ive now got a mini super beetle which is real good but its lacking on the cleans imho
The AC15 is a bit much for home use. If you've found the AC10 too loud, the AC15 won't improve that level issue.
Have you checked the Joyo Atomic? It's their take on a Vox. I hear that it performs great at lower volumes and has great clean tones.
@@TheToneLounge Thats what i thought tbh i havent tried the Joyo ill have to have a look thanks
does msb can be used for jazzy like tone? I haven't watched any testimonials on them, so far only AC10C1 works best for jazz
It's not a style I play, so I can't say for sure.
@@TheToneLounge do you think its clean tone supports the general jazz tone?
@@youna2971 I'm sure that it would be able too
Awesome, thank you. Do you think the AC10 can be played at bedroom level without it sounding poor? City centre apartment living with neighbours!
You sure can, here is how:
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@@TheToneLounge thanks mate, champion stuff 👌🏻
My pleasure.
Does anyone know the name of the songs in the video? I recognize Yes, Free and life in the fast lane
1. Free Alright Now
2. Thin Lizzy Jailbreak
3. Neil Young Cinnamon Girl
4. Bryan Adams Run to you
5. Eagles Life in the fast lane
6. The Darkness Black Shuck
@@TheToneLounge thank you so much!!! What a great choice, you sir, have a wonderful taste ;)
Thank you, those are indeed great songs!
As a non player, I still think the 15 has it. the 10 sounded a little bit 'flubby' on the speakers in the start of the video. The super mini... ok for just a practice amp but would not cut it in a gig, even miced up.
+George Christofi the AC10 sounds a bit “boxy” to me, nothing that can’t be fixed by using a external cab.
The Mini does not sound as pleasing on it’s own, but in a mix it would fit right in.
The Beetle has more than triple the power of the AC15. 50 watts.
Any new opinions about the Superbeetle since owning it awhile?
It's a fantastic amp, if you don't intend to use pedals.
I have been using pedals thru this amp for while. At bedroom levels, its alright. Louder volumes , not so good but its more because of the chinese made celestion and not the amp itself. A high gain pedal would cause the speaker to sorta farts out. Lower the volume and it gets better. Put the head thru a 4x12 and you will be amazed. I highy recommend it. I am eyeing a few speaker replacement candidates. Will update again if I get it changed.
I have one and love it. Honestly I haven't had any issues with pedals unless we're talking super high gain distortion. But I can stack a few drives on it and get plenty of gain and sustain. Klon style pedals sound great through it
You make great vids sir!
One thing About the super beetle, isn’t it a solid state amp? With one tube in the power section? I have a Vox as50vt that is from 2008 and it sounds good but it’s a hybrid not a tube amp. Now I can get many great sounds out of that amp but its just kinda different compared to a tube amp. And it is a modeling amp as well, with several types of amps to choose from. But it is different. The super beetle seems more like that to me. After owning my ad50vt I wanted to experience the tones of a real tube amp. Interestingly enough my vox modeling amp is about as heavy as my ac15, maybe a little heavier even. It does have 2-12’s tho. But it’s a heavy sucker.
The amp uses the NuTube 6P1 tube, and also use that for the Tremolo. I'm not 100% certain of whether or not there is some hybrid stuff going on, I would have to do some research on that. It has a very AC top boost type of sound. It's a great little amp and I intend to buy one at some point. It's ridiculously light, and it gets pretty loud too.
The Tone Lounge I’ll do some research on it and see what I can find
hi, did you or can you try out the line out of the superbeetle? Does it have cab simulation, is it usable trough PA?
As I recall, it does not have cab simulation. Only speaker out.
@@TheToneLounge if you can chosse: Beetle for ~250 EURO or AC4 HW! for ~480 euro?
I have this decision now, and i think i cant test them side by side, but i tested a beetle and a ac4 for side by side, and the beetle was better... :D BUT the AC4 HW is pretty cheap dont you think?!
Ok so, to me, this is an easy answer but let me give you the pros and cons.
MSB pros:
- affordable
- sounds good
- no tubes/valves to worry about (only one NuTube to change)
- digital reverb/tremolo
- plenty loud for small gigs
- great for home practice
MSB cons:
- resale value not so good
- if it breaks, good luck finding a tech
- not so good with pedals
AC4 HW pros:
- great sounding amp
- Handwired means easy to repair
- plenty loud for small gigs
- great for home use
- great with pedals
- resale value is really good
Personally, I would jump on that AC4. Especially for that price.
You should be happy with either amps, but those AC4 are awesome. I own an AC4bl (none handwired) and it's killer.
@@TheToneLounge thank you for this writing! I didn't know the nutube also need to change :o
at tuesday i check out the hw version :)
@@Quanir let me know how it goes
I have the AC15 but I wouldn't be averse to trying the mini.
The Mini is very cool. Definitely try one out. Cheers
Which one would you pair with a Pro Junior for stereo rig? AC15 is too heavy, but not sure if the Mini could keep up with the PJ. Both 10” so maybe??
I would go AC10 or MSB with a better cab. Are you going for a wet/dry rig or straight up stereo?
@@TheToneLounge wet/dry. I want more cleans from the Vox for the wet effects. But... I’m really thinking about the MSB going straight to PA as well. I have a Joyo AC tone on my board for that right now. Just wondering if the MSB would be loud enough to be heard over the roaring PJ.
When run in 4 ohms, the MSB is 50 watts, which should be a lot of power. You just need a proper cab to run with it.
@@TheToneLounge awesome. That’s all I wanted to hear. Thanks! Keep up the great work. I’m really enjoying your videos. 👍
Thanks Michael! Cheers
Do you have any experience with vintage Vox amps and any thoughts regarding the differences between to the modern Vox amps and the vintage ones?
I would love to give you my opinion on this but sadly I have never played an old Vox. If I can manage to get my hands on one at some point I will definitely do a comparison video.
I choose ... AC30! 😉
(But I do own an AC15 as well).
Fair enough!
I’ve had all 3 and the 10 is my least favorite. I love the Mini. My favorite is the AC15c1x with the Blue speaker, but the standard C1 is also fantastic.
Modern Vox amps are so underrated. The AC15 is fantastic with both the GB and Blue!
Been scratching my head over which one to get as I am looking for something for home and gigging. I heave heard that the AC15 is just fine for gigs but is a bit too much for home. The MSB25 seems small but its got 50 watts and can be plugged into anything else like an external speaker system.
I do think the AC15 sounds better but the MSB25 seems more practical.
You can always tame the AC15 with an EQ and compressor. I did a video on that a few years back.
@@TheToneLounge how well would they take a bass? I know there is a bass model of the msb, the MSB50BA. But I was wondering how well the ac15 or the normal msb25 would take it.
@@jaziferret1138 it's not a circuit that puts out much bass. You'd be better with the bass version.
@@TheToneLounge just got a used one for $365. I'll see how it does when it gets here. Thanks!
man, what about The Pathfinder 15 R?
My Wife didn't want me to sell mine (Apt,,,no room,5 amps still here).
'This is gonna be great'. nope. its a place....
I guess they don't like being sideways, reverb tank lost.
I miss it. Hard to find now, it seems.
Here are two other shootout that I did, using the Pathfinder 15 for both:
AC4 Vs Pathfinder 15: czcams.com/video/ceiBlppp-9Q/video.html
AC15 Vs Pathfinder 15: czcams.com/video/1mZZze3bW2M/video.html
@@TheToneLounge Thanx. I gotta check that out. I have a Behringer UC100
i bought new for under $20.00, Still works.
I used to dig sending two 'outs', one, a Blues Jr and the other, the Pathfinder. Amps in opposite corners of the room.
The battle of the 15 watters.
The ac 15 is 15 watts the mini super beetle is 25 watts. Wouldn't the vox sb be a louder amp at a gig?
Great question! In fact, wattage does not equal loudness. So, 15 watts is not 15dB. Plus there is a difference between tube and solid state in terms of loudness. Just Google "tube wattage vs solid state" and go deep down that rabbit hole. Cheers
@@TheToneLounge Ok thanks, back to more research
The mini sounded best for Life in the Fast Lane. Tonely it is the mini for sure.
The mini packs a punch! Ever tried one?
@@TheToneLounge Not yet but it would be perfect for my guitar room. I have Fender covered x4 one 412 Marshall 15 watt Haze.
Should try the vox 50 Cambridge
It's on my list.
Vox mini Beatles
Ac15 spanked the other two amps, ac10 sounded decent but I thought the super beetle sounded tinny. The extra money for the ac15 is worth it in my opinion.
The AC15 is a classic amp for a good reason. ;)
@@TheToneLounge I’m getting my first Vox amp tomorrow, the ac15c2. I’ve had Fender and Marshall but ended up selling both of them because they were to much for what I needed. The DSL40 had to be switched to the 40 watt mode to get a good sound rich sound but I know my neighbors didn’t appreciate the free concert. My First tube amp was a Blues jr tweed with a 10” speaker and I couldn’t for the life of me ever get the sound I was after with it. It’s time to try Vox now!
AC15 sounds the best. :)
What is it that makes you like it best?
The Tone Lounge I’ll step in and answer, as in your recording I found the AC15 to sound much fuller and even through all frequencies, without any deficiencies, if that makes sense. The Mini sounds good, but sounds smaller without the fullness coming through. The AC10 has this scooped out of phase sound in the distortion clips. Now I’m person when I’ve played these amps, I’ve enjoyed them all. My impression with the Mini is that it is a very inspiring practice amp. Awesome. The AC15 which I’ve owned twice....it’s the real deal, glorious Trem and reverb...3D chime and swirl to chords.....likes to be loud hahaha, and yes, it’s heavy!!! AC10 in person....handsome amp in its compact and perfect dimensions and weight, I agree...killer high gain available, clean to scream is very inspiring. More studio and small gig capable than the Mini. More inspiring and fun to just plug in and play out of the 3. I “want” another AC15.....I need the AC10. BUT!!!! Again based on purely your great video here....the AC15 sounds far superior. It’s just THERE!!! I’ve wrangled with guitar tones in studios for years and for me, that AC15 was the acceptable sound.
I love Vox and they make the greatest SS amp of all time, the Pathfinder. But every time I hear recordings of the mini super beatle I am not very impressed
I'm pretty sure that Mini would sound killer in a mix. It has the right frequencies for it too. Not as pleasant on it's own but it definitely cuts through a mix.
Yes I get your point, assessing the tone in the bedroom rarely pans out for what is good on stage. Although I love the tones Johan Segeborn with his Marshall amps, and I know those tones will definitely cut through a mix as well
Have to agree with the Pathfinder. Got 3 of them. Paid under $100 for each one.
👍🇬🇧❤ITS A NO BRAINER💥AC-15💥(nothing beats using a 12" spkrs....perfect size & sound)👍TREBLE BOOSTERS R THE BEST👍
The AC15 is a great amp! I’m trying it out with a ton of pedals right now, and I do like it with a Treble Booster!
Vox AC10 for home and AC15 for rehearsal and gigs. Wouldnt consider the beetle personally.
What do you not like about the MSB?
@@TheToneLounge Along side hearing the 10 and 15, which are obviously true tube valves, it doesn't sound as organic as them, which is understandable. It has a more boxed in sound. Versus the 10/15, it would have to be either of those two. But isolated and maybe in person especially, I'm sure it's a great little amp. They each all serve a purpose. Would actually be curious to hear the beetle running into a 1x12 or 2x12 cab to see if it opens up the sound fuller, have you ever done so?
ps I own a AC15. Tried many Vox's and that for me was the sweetest spot. Maybe the C1x slightly beating it for at 400£ more, was a bit too rich for the gains you got back compared with the C1
Vox does the Vox tone better than anyone.
Absolutely!
VOX used to make great amps! Do not touch any of there modern digital modelers that use an app! Absolutely no support for modern up to date android devices! Even the importer has been ghosted by the supplier! Lost 50~80% functionality of my desktop practice amp! Yea I only use the big iron amps (Valves/Tubes/Solid State Analog) when performing or recording. PS I love my VOX Pathfinder 15r, especially after some reworking of the clipping LED's
I also own a Pathfinder 15, not the R version, and it is a great little amp.
@@TheToneLounge Mine has been such a little work horse, has pretty much ended up on all of my recordings, in some way or another.
I dunno man, your AC15 sounds way better to my ears than the others, especially when you pushed it with distortion. The other two couldn't really handle it as well, to my taste at least. Could just be the speaker size difference, but hey, it's the whole package that counts. The AC10 in such an application does sound like it'd be a good 2nd amp to blend with the 15 though. As for the mini superbeetle, I flat out did not like it at all with the heavier gain.
The AC15 is a a killer amp, and for sure wins in a studio or Live setting. In a home setting, I would prefer one of the other two amps. More manageable in terms of volume. It's all a matter of preference though, so no real winner.
Super Beetle mini
AC15
What is it that you prefer about that amp?
I really love my AC15. I chose it over the AC10 for the following: The cramped interior of the AC10 puts the tubes in close proximity to the speaker; this screams "tube eater." There are a lot of used AC15s out there, and a great used AC15 costs as much as new AC10. 12" speakers are a bit more common than 10"s. Finally, I just preferred to AC15.
I can't speak to the Mini Superbeetle.
Also, a great alternative is a AC4.
I'd love to get my hands on an AC4. All in due time. I agree with you. The interior design of the AC10 had me scratching my head. I was thinking the same thing, tube are too close to the speaker and changing the tubes is a bit of a pain.
If I get my hands on an AC4, I promise to make a series!
Yes but not for home practise. You see....the 10 sounds great on its own and with pedals, won't break ur back, u can gig with it, etc, etc
I have a modded ac4c1-12. Some circuit components to be as close as possible to ac15 and ac30 and a well worn celestion G12M25w greenback. Sounds very very nice indeed. I just wish it had reverb.
I have a super beetle not good with pedals
I found this to be true as well.
AC15 all day
Great choice.
logical dude y test... beer one day... tomorrow i go .. to decide
I've made bad decisions while drinking beer lol
done... bought ac15c1 red.. celest greenback... so happy w sounds norm chan... just paid n got it,,, didnt wanna hear ac10///
Congratulations on the new amp! I hope this channel will be helpful for you.
ac10 all day long
It's a great amp!
AC15C1X for me.
I'd love to try that one and see how it compares to the C1.
@@TheToneLounge they are identical, the "X" denotes a blueback instead of the greenback is in the combo. Cheers!
Oh, I didn’t know that. Cheers
Nothing against the Super Beatle. but the two Ac's crush it
They are both great amps. Which do you prefer? AC10 or AC15?
Minibeetle looks cute, but sounds like a toy
Yes and no. It sounds tiny with that stock speaker, but plugged into a bigger cab it becomes a proper amp.
@@TheToneLounge I was wondering today how it sounds with a bigger cab ) Do you have any demos? When it was just announced I was very excited as it looked as a great bedroom amp (I immediately loved the design in contrast to 90% of small "bedroom" amps on the market), but in all demos that I heard it sounded like a small toy amp with a stock cab. Pity they don't sell it as a standalone head. I have 1x12 open back cab with Greenback inside. I wonder how they would match.