Could Cornwall Leave the UK & Get Independence? - TLDR UK
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With Scotland and Northern Ireland more seriously discussing leaving the UK, we thought we'd turn to another more 'separatist-friendly' part of the union... Cornwall. In this video we'll discuss why some want out and if that's actually possible.
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You could say the Cornish voting in favour of Brexit was just Scilly.
Very
Isle like that one.
Truro words have never been spoken.
@@JP-2303 Cornwall is trying to find a Newquay to get out of the UK.
@@089roblox1 I mean that one doesn't really work since its pronounced 'Noo-KEY'
One of the biggest problems I can see as a resident in Cornwall is rising house prices. While this is a issue across the Uk here it is amplified.
Due to being a holiday destination many rich people buys houses in Cornwall as a second home. This has meant many places are empty for all but a few months of the year.
The landscape makes building new houses difficult due to the many deep valleys and now the ban on new builds near the coast.
Added to this is the lack of good jobs, most are low paying factory jobs such as Tamar Foods, agriculture which is normally within a family, tourism which is only profitable for a small part of the year, and then your every day jobs like postman, shop keepers etc.
The jobs simply don’t pay enough to allow a local to live in Cornwall.
I know for a fact I won’t be able to live here and will have to find a home outside the county.
Education is a big problem as well, I knew a couple kids at school who couldn’t point to the Uk on a map and thought Plymouth was the capital.
Country runners are a big issue bringing drugs into the county. Often these are kids from the poorest family’s who have no where else to turn, but drug running for money.
In the poor communities young pregnancy is common due to lack of education and money/knowledge on contraption.
This means many young girls leave school early to raise there kids, obviously due to a lack of education they can’t get a job and live with their parents in a council home.
I personally know three girls who left before year 11 never taking their exams (end of senior school/high school)
Schools themselves are barely good places of education, the one I went to have multiple cases of violence against other students and teacher, drugs, heavy amount of bullying leading to more kids dropping out, even teachers who had sex with students or were most likely pedos.
All of what you state sounds very similar to the situation in Wales. Self determination would be a good way to start to right the wrongs of all the problems you mention, social, education, housing etc, because clearly Westminster isn’t helping you. I support the call for independence from our Cornish brothers and sisters ❤️🏴
As I mentioned in my own post, I spent a number of my teenage years in Cornwall and have no love for the place at all. That being said I think I can link some of what you say together as Florida has the same kind of issues, if you are living part time or are retired somewhere there is no real incentive to improve education(which is why Florida ranks so low in pretty much all the areas you mention for Cornwall). I'm not sure what the solution is over and above as a wider community we are mindful of the damage we can do to an area by our actions.
@@Gary-bz1rf so what? Never dare to dream of something different? To challenge the status quo? Your attitude is exactly what they want, for you to believe it’s impossible, keep you down trodden and subservient to the Etonian ruling class. They keep telling us Wales is too small, too poor and too stupid to be independent, and for generations the people have believed it, but we’re starting to wake up as a country. I believe Kernow can do the same ✌️
@@Gary-bz1rf Wales isn't stuck behind England, it's located to the west of it.
@@Gary-bz1rf what does that even mean? I don’t understand your point? Maybe we’re geographically in front of England? And Kernow is also 😂 Maybe we’re geographically closer to Ireland?
As a Cornishman, i love you for covering this. I personally don't think we need independence but we should have more autonomy.
Aye I think Cornwall should be separate from England but stay part of the UK as a constituent country .
As someone who lives in Devon i ask if Devon and Cornwall were independent how long do you think until the first scone war?
Time to be free
@@captainchaos1311 Wouldn't be over scones. It would be over pastys
@@doubletapthatdotty4597 no my weakness for Cornish pasty’s will be the end of me
not surprised boris didn't deliver on his promise to replace the funds he's the country's most untrustworthy person
Not surprised? It was a given.
Turkeys, Christmas
I mean like its the Leave campaign's fault for lying to the whole country ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Or is it majority conservatives fault for being gullible and ignorant fools?
@JayTheFryer UwU You may be right, Mogg may be first. But the difference between the two is that Mogg is really that limited, BJ is just so calculated.
If Cornwall are independent before Scotland I’ll lose my will to live
I'd probably die laughing! With how the SNP haven't shut up the last decade, I would find that too funny.
I thought separatist movements were supposed to be all "solidarity" with each other...
Would be funny
To be fair independence makes all of us weaker, as we are a tiny country, the breaking up of Britain would be financially disastrous
You still have that? Can I borrow it?
The word 'Corn' in both Brittonic and Goidelic languages translates as 'Horn'. Cornwall means the 'Horn of Wales'.
Something like corn is horn in several European languages too; e.g. cornu in Latin.
Though I'd heard that the Cornish were so called because they worshipped a local horned god called something like Cornus.
The 'Corn' is Cornwall does mean 'Horn' - And you're right that the 'Wall' shares its meaning with Wales, but it translates to 'Wealas' which means 'foreigners'. So Cornwall means 'The Horn of Foreigners' and Wales means 'Foreigners' - (which is how the Saxons perceived them)
@@merrancoleman Yes and also in the Irish language ‘gall’ means foteireigner so ‘Donegal’ means fort of the foreigners. Similarly, the French word for Wales is ‘paye de Galle’ ?, land of the foreigner.
@@merrancoleman In fact, the foreigners could probably mean Vikings. Many Viking names still exist in Ireland such as 'Doyle' Dubh Ghall which translates as Black Foreigner who were rivals of the 'Fingalls' Fionn Ghall - white or fair foreigner.
My understanding is that "kern" means peninsula in this case, so it's similar. It roughly translates to "Foreigner Peninsula".
As a Breton myself, I can't help but being sad about the state of the celtic nations... Our languages are disappearing, the population is quite small, the fact that our cities are just normal cities among dozens in our respective countries, and not important capital cities, makes us vulnerable.
I have an impossible wish. That the celtic league becomes an independant federation, made of Scotland, Ireland, Wales, the isle of Man, Corwall and Brittony, with a very high degree of independance for each.
Then we could protect our languages much more, make the laws that WE need, and do what is necessary for us to have an important economic developpment. Wa have a strong tourism in all of the 6 celtic nations, strong fishing industry, we couldn't get into poverty. It would be a huge challenge of course, but the french and english would stop making fun of us and think we are just their holiday trip and not strong and historic nations.
It can sound silly I know, and I understand because it will never happen, but I would love it.
It wouldn't be that small of a nation actually : It would be 200 000 km² and have 17 800 000 inhabitants. And a HUGE sea exclusive economic zone.
My dream country.
Welsh is actually on the rise with more people learning it sadly can’t say the same about the others
1) Most celtic languages are actually having a resurgence, Manx excluded. At the start of the 20th century Cornish only had around 10 speakers, nowadays it's 500. Irish is being teached in quite a lot of Irish schools, more and more Breton schools are offering it as an option.
2) As always everyone always forgets to include Gallicia in spain as a technically celtic nation
I think a more reasonable approach would be Cornwall joining a federation of sorts with the other two Brythonic nations, Wales and Breton. That would be a cool union.
@@DanSolo871 Blood and soil nonsense.
@@boniour3883 500 is still terrible
As a Cornish person, this video makes me so happy. Many of us (the Cornish) feel abandoned by Westminster, as I imagine many other parts of the UK do. Second home owner ship is a major issue - some villages in the winter are basically deserted. Locals, many who are on low wages in agriculture and tourism are being priced out of the county.
Council budgets are being slashed leading to failing services. Walk through Truro and the amount of homeless people is eyeopening. One of the floors in Truro's Moorfield car park is a just a row of tents.
Devolution of Cornwall would benefit the nation greatly.
Mmmm. Staunch tory area and 76% voted to leave the EU despite being the biggest benefactors ( in England ) of EU funding. Did you really expect a proven liar to want to look after you?
The mind boggles.
abandoned by westminster? join the back of the queue. our government is broken by a shitty voting system and also even shittier voters.
@@Dfoskdty He meant benefit Kernow. Not England.
now we need a video can England leave the UK & get Independence
And apply to be part of the EU again 😂
@@jorenbosmans8065 and then london vote to leave england and join the other (former) nations of the uk 😂
@@thestatistician6076 this would get complicated 😂
I'm all for English independence
rUK are hoping!
I’m surprised that there wasn’t a single mention of the prayer book rebellion within this video regarding the Cornish language, as this is one of the biggest reasons for the downfall of of the language.
In crude simplicity a long time ago the English wouldn’t allow the common book of prayer to be in Cornish, so the Cornish created a physical rebellion that the English defeated and thus putting one of the first and arguably largest nails in the coffin of the language’s prevalence.
I believe the printing of the common book of prayer was the main reason Welsh does not have the letter K any longer, which is found in Cornish a lot.. the printers said c would do because K used up too much ink!?
Agreed. It's strange how a lot of people don't know this and somebody recently said that wasn't a reason for the downfall of the language. Of course, they were a know-nothing Englishmen telling a Cornishman about our own history... 😂
@@stephrichards4611 That's so small it's hardly worth mentioning lol xD Where did you do the test?
@@foofy14 I know lol - thats why I deleted the comment! But my father always told me there was Cornish on his side, apparently he come over to South Wales to sell tin hats 🤷♀️ Living DNA. He must be a great x 6 grandfather so the story was right after all. Haven't managed to get that far on my family tree but my mother's side are all mid and west Wales.
@Liam Hathway
Agreed. Something a relative told me a while back. Of all the reasons I've heard put forward for triggering decline, that makes the best sense to me. Until the Reformation some Roman Catholic priests, especially in the west were said to have been okay about conducting worship in Cornish instead of the official Latin. How differently things would have turned out had the English Protestant reformers not been such thugs in quelling what they regarded as typical anti-English disobedience? In the wake of 1549 the reformers indeed stamped out any attempt to print Cornish translations of church literature.
I read more recently that, by contrast, the reformers only had much influence in Welsh towns that were already English-speaking and left the rest of Wales and its more remote monoglot Welsh-speakers alone. Around the same time one of the bishops was printing church literature in Welsh. If only Cornwall hadn't been so squarely beaten in 1549, Elizabeth I a few years later might have included the Cornish language in an Act of 1563 that required the bible and prayer book to be translated into Welsh within three years!
No one would need independence if we had a better voting system which would fairly represent the country.
Barely anyone in politics talks about proportional representation and that needs to change.
@@undead_corsair I mean the lib Dems had that referendum on it last time they were in power and it was near unanimously voted against. People really just don't understand how bad our voting system is
@@RealUlrichLeland They wanted a referendum on full PR but their deal with the Tories watered that down to AV, an extremely "who cares?" change to the existing voting system.
This is the issue with every policies. "Not good enough" is not the same thing as "bad", yet people act like it.
A PR system would give the SNP 4% MPs Plaid Cymru would have 0.5% so probably not even an MP. Most MPs would be in England because it has a higher population than all the rest.
It probably increases the need for independence
As somebody who lives on the Devon/Cornwall border, this was a really interesting video, and up to the usual excellent TLDR standard. But, I have to ask, what on gods earth is the river T'mar?!
I am a fellow person near the border and well.... as far as im aware its Tamar... where did they get t'mar from??
This isn't even the first time I've heard some one call it t'mar - it grates every time.
@@michaelslack8900 where do they even get t'mar from?
It didn't bother you when he called it KerNOW?
@@shorn9996 to be fair that was kinda annoying but I call it Cornwall not kernow anyway so it didn't bother me much
Cornwall has indeed their own traditions and separate (even if obviously British-related) culture. It's really a beautiful place but kept economically depressed and mostly used as a holiday hub by the rest of England....you can kind of find the same situation in places like Italy, Spain and so on. If treated fairly, there wouldn't be any talk about independence and they could feel proudly part of a bigger country and contribute to it.
Unfortunately it's just a matter of geography. It sticks out at the end so it's never going to be a hub for anything. Historically its economy was kept afloat by tin, once an extremely valuable commodity, but tin is not nearly as useful as it once was as industry has developed around superior metals such as iron and aluminium.
What would its economy be? Fishing...? Would be extremely poor.
@@Daniboi971 I think the majority Cornish economic output is agriculture.
@@Daniboi971 I have seen a few people floating the idea that lithium mining (Cornwall has the best deposits in Europe) could be a great future industry for Cornwall.
@@alexpotts6520 There would most likely be major problems with that. Like forcing people to move and destroying farmland so they could dig. Then there's also the fact that there is no big motorway to transport raw materials to deeper inside the UK for processing, you could attempt to build a big port but I thing there will be a lot of issues with that too.
But is it even a good idea to start large scale mining in a small region that's surrounded by water in 3 directions(4 if you include the river)?
It's basically a small island so you would have to become a tax haven or something to generate money but I don't think anyone would bother with that when the Isle of Man and others exist.
I’ve lived on the border of Cornwall and Devon my whole life. (Btw the river is pronounced Tay-mar.) Cornwall is a beautiful place with a wonderful people, but it simply would not be able to stand up as an independent nation, I definitely support devolution for it!
Cornwall’s infrastructure is woefully inadequate in every area, as it is for most coastal communities in the UK, and rich people have caused a potent housing crisis by buying vast amounts of property as vacation homes they only use for a fraction of the year. If they could use devolution as a path to take that land back it would get a lot of support!
Yeah the pronunciation of the River Tamar threw me too 😂
"vacation homes they only use for a fraction of the year" this a growing problem almost everywhere in western world. AirBnB and their ilk should be banned. They destroy communities and local industries.
In 1967 Wales left England but not the U.K.
I support the same for Cornwall. But Devon and Cornwall should leave England together but still be U.K nations called Dumnonia.
Why not just say you hate England and be done with it?
@@Reyeoux Because I don't. Why do you see Cornish identity as something that threatens or "hates" English identity? I don't see how believing Cornwall should be able to exercise more democratic autonomy therefore means that I must "hate" England.
The Cornish don't "hate" England. They feel like they have been left behind by Westminster. A lot of places in England feel that way too.
Just another reason UK should become a federation. From an outsider's point of view, all of its problems seem to stem from everything revolving around London. That and persistent classism, but one problem at a time, I guess.
I think that is because the uk population is 67.22 million and England has a population of 55.98 million making England by far more populated
@@harrisonsmack4014 even then some of the most deprived areas in Western Europe are areas in England, large areas of the north, midlands and south west are just fucked.
@@harrisonsmack4014 Yeah for sure, the population crisis is hitting england hard, they really cant support that many people.
@@CallumBlyth Legit, its annoys me that here in scoltand often the nationalists are hating on the english for all there problem, when in reality we get alot of money for being part of the uk and get alot of benefits because of it, since we are an independent people, its the poor parts of england like conrwall, cumbria, northumbria etc. that suffer the most, the population crisis is real tbh, we either need to priortise become a manufacturing country or science advancement because honestly we are running out of resources fast.
If a country becomes too capital-centric, it dies
A large issue in Cornwall that often goes overlooked is the amount of people buying second/holiday homes over there who live in other parts of the country. New estates in Cornwall are all built for this new demographic over providing affordable houses to the locals which is dearly needed in the wake of massive housing prices brought on by aforementioned second homes. Many people on the east of Cornwall often have jobs found in places like Plymouth as there really just isn't enough jobs to go around locally.
Maybe Plymouth/Aberplymm should become a "free city" , a sort of neutral zone ???
@@marconatrix tell that to the bridge that tolls the people just to get to work lol
This is an issue indeed. As a native to Cornwall. We need change in housing. Second homes should be completely outlawed and current ones should be taken and sold back to the people.
@@DoubleWhopperWithCheese To a certain degree this should become the case in the UK as a whole, especially on the South Coast and London, the whole of the south coast is full of second homes for the rich from London, while London itself is full of properties bought up in their dozens by the super rich or corporations.
@@treeaboo exactly. If these people hadn't bought up all the housing. Then would we even be in this crisis? But I agree, housing in London is ridiculous
NORTHERN INDEPENDENCE!
This was a surprise to see this morning, as a Cornishman
I know that feeling!
I'm eagerly looking forward to the Cornish Cream Tea Wars of 2047 and the build-up of combat tractors on the Cornish/Devon borders.
If a war like that ever happened there would be millions of casualties
lol
In the end though, Devon and Cornwall may end up as brothers-in-the-scone - accepting their differences, but uniting against the rest of the UK that doesn't have a clue how to make proper clotted cream or indeed scones, ^oo^
That will be nothing compared to what I think the Yorkshire Party is planning, But I'm not sure exactly what they will do to pursue their aims, because I can't understand a word they say.
Sadly their are very very few Cornish left
"Kernow bys vykken" means "cornwall forever not freedom"
Its pronounced 'kerno bis viken'
Also thats not how you pronounce 'Tamar'
Also thats not "the Cornish nationalist party" its Mebyon kernow or in English 'sons of Cornwall'
There was a parry called the Cornish nationalist party so calling MK (Mebyon Kernow) that is at best confusing and at worst, wrong.
Despite all that, this was really good and I'm thankful you covered this topic
Meur ras! ( thank you )
You have the right of it here, Jacca! The only other thing I'd add about the video is that while Cornish *was* declared "extinct" it was very quickly changed to "endangered" to reflect the growing language movement and existence of mother tongue speakers like myself :)
blah blah blah
Ober da, Jacca!
@@njclondon2009 Yn medh neb gons a Sows a Loundres na yll kewsel an yeth
Honestly it would be hilarious if Cornwall achieved independence before Scotland or Wales
They’re welcome to join us if we do 😂🏴🏴
Cries in Welsh
They're gonna be happened at same time, heck maybe even the rest of England if they have disagreement with London... London seems too disenfranchised with even the rest of England IMO...
🤔🤔🤔
@@ddddirge I honestly agree there, the London bubble is all too real. I think as a minimum we're going to need a lot more devolved assemblies with a revamped UK parliament overseeing the devolved assemblies of: Scotland, N.I, Wales, Cornwall, and Northumbria, imo
The thing I could see if the rest of England are sick of London probably will be divided: Cornwall, Merseyside, Manchester, Midlands, Yorkshire, Durham-Tyne-Wear-Northumberland, Lancashire-Cumbria, Norfolk-Suffolk, dunno about the rest though, maybe Sussex-Surrey-Kent???
Normally I prefer they just divide it into 9 regions but the problem with it is just pumping Cornwall with the rest of the South West, and also cutting Silverstone in half...
But I hope they divided it by current CEREMONIAL county border to make the transition easier...
🤔🤔🤔
If every culturally different group got its own nation, every nation would be broken up. Then, those new nations would be broken up, and so on, and so on.
I'm all for Cornish independence though purely because it would be hilarious
Smaller nations then are doomed to be assimilated by the larger nation that they are part of
The distinctions go beyond a different culture.
In general, the foundations of a nation state are built on shared language, history, culture, ethnicity and geography. Obviously, there are exceptions to all of these.
But it’s not just that people’s seeking their own state identify as culturally different.
In the case of Cornwall, their language has been nearly lost, they have a historical distinction from the UK, but they also have enormous shared history with the UK.
They are geographically well defined, but also not obviously geographically distinct from England.
Similarly they have a distinct culture, but really only compared to the UK, compared to other cultures even in Western Europe, the connection to England is clear.
So I agree that independence in Cornwall seems a very unlikely and not entirely justified proposition.
But with your assertion that “If every culturally different group got its own nation, every nation would be broken up.”
There must be a will to secede. Not every cultural group want to be it’s own state. Some are very small and recognise that belonging to a larger state is beneficial or identify as both being part of a cultural minority in a state and as being a part of the broader state. A good example is many cities and their people, identify as of a distinct culture, but are nonetheless very much part of the border states culture too. Parisians are still French and New Yorkers are still US Americans. They see themselves as culturally different but aren’t petitioning for independence.
Obviously, a cultural difference can be felt by people who live across many disparate parts of the world now. Calls for statehood are almost always tied to a claim to the land. It’s hard to establish yourself as an independent territory if you cannot agree where it is or worse, do not claim any particular place as your own. Think Israel. The Jewish people live all over. The Jewish state was established in Transjordan basically because of religious significance, not a historical claim to the land (that many other peoples could trump with more recent / sustained occupation). This is problematic enough. Now imagine another group who didn’t have the Torah telling them about a promised land.
A history of independence or alternatively subjugation. The Irish and Scottish have a long history of independence from the England, have cultural experiences of resistance and oppression and finally occupation / union. Cornwall was more “absorbed”. But obviously, unless you have a history of independence or trying to be independent, asserting a right to independence is much harder. Of course, if such a movement starts now, in 200 years this and other justifications will likely be stronger.
Ultimately, I think there is a lot to be said for self-determination. Not every culturally distinct group will want independence. Not every culturally distinct group has a place to be independent. Not every culturally distinct group is big or strong enough to be independent so no it would not lead to an endless fracturing of nations. At a certain point people recognise these facts.
But If Scotland wants to go it’s own way, why shouldn’t they? Kashmir? Let them be Pakistani India and Pakistan are made up places just like Israel and Palestine and these disputes are costing lives and money and keeping local populations poor and divided and miserable.
I think if a people decide they want to be a state, let them. Certainly, beyond a certain point, trying to stop them is only detrimental to all parties.
So what if nations split up? If they get too small, there will be calls for unification for security or economic or even cultural reasons.
Cornwall probably isn’t at the point where a meaningful independence movement, well thought out, with real intentions of nationhood exists. But Scotland isn’t far off it. And if and when the go what is really the problem? If the ants what they want, let them have it.
If this is what you believe on Taiwan, Tibet etc. and one should at least personally believe these claims are bogus. Then isn’t the same true in Scotland or even Cornwall?
@@emilchandran546 ok I only read the end of your essay. I'm all for nations becoming independent, I just don't see how it's possible for Cornwall, maybe in the future, who knows. Thousands of languages that once existed no longer exist and all current languages were once different, it's a hugely important part of social and cultural evolution and isnt always because of other nations forcing people to drop their languages, for example, it was prominent 17th century Scott's who convinced the Scottish to adopt English, not the English, Adam Smith for example didn't speak English as his first language and be wasn't forced to speak it, he argued it was more practical to use it for Scotland to succeed.
Also, I do see Taiwan as a nation in its own right, and I'm all for Scotland choosing its own fate, as for places like Tibet, Kurdistan and Kashmir, I just don't know enough about those places to have an informed opinion. The hilarious comment was more young in cheek.
Kernow bys vikken = Cornwall for ever. Nothing about independece now
Its TLDR News. Sometimes as much as 60-70% of what they say are false.
As a Cornish person who has watch TL;DR for years this was both amazing to see and feel seen. However your pronunciation was ropey but I won’t hold it against you!
Thanks for another great video
I have a question, given that the kingdom of Cornwall was a rump-state of the ancient kingdom of dumnonia, should an independent Cornwall annexe devon?
from Edmund Price in Bideford
@@edmundprice5276 the kingdom of Dumnonia was pushed back by the Saxons until only the Cornish part remained.
King Dungarth, last King of Cornwall, allied with Viking raiders to repel Wessex but was beaten. He later drowned in the River Fowey, at Golitha Falls (some think he was executed)
@@StuFliesAroundCornwall But genetic evidence shows that the devonian people have a strong ancestral link to the dumnonians
you could argue that devon is wrongfully occupied territory
Not to mention that devon has many of the same problems as cornwall and would benefit from becoming a crown dependency
@@StuFliesAroundCornwall I would be in favour of such an annexation, as would many other devonians, what would the cornishmen think?
@@edmundprice5276 that’s as may be, but they do have their scones the wrong way round. If they admit that the jam goes on first, then they would be more than welcome to become part of Cornwall.
Can Yorkshire leave the UK is the real question
Now that does feel like a good follow-up video...
no cornwall has a better point
@@TLDRnews can the north of England leave The UK?
Raise the stakes, Scotland + Northumbria, just go all out
please
While it would be cool to see an independent Cornwall, it's unlikely to happen. It would be nice to see Cornwall as a devolved country in Great Britain however.
That’s what Cornish want, don’t know why people think we want to be independent from UK, we want to be just like Wales/Scotland, already got our own nationality
Thankyou for covering this. As a Cornishman it makes my day to see Kernow get some recognition!
Kernow Bys Vyken!
Wales, Cornwall and Brittany had Celtic saints who lived and worshipped in these areas. They crossed into each others areas easily, and the languages were very similar. I'd love Brittany, Cornwall and Wales to do well. I speak Welsh and I can understand a fair bit of Cornish - or can work out the words from the cognates
So you can use welsh to communicate with someone speaking cornish?
@@Sebbir I've never spoken to someone who has spoken Cornish, but in theory I should get some bits here and there. I was speaking more about the written language. Cornish is probably closer to Breton than modern Welsh in many ways but the Cornish sentence structures are similar to middle Welsh, (medieval) which would make sense as Welsh continued to be spoken, and therefore changed, whereas Cornish wasn't used so extensively, so less likely to change. Breton had the French influence.
@@Sebbir it’s similar to Ukrainian and Russian or Spanish and Portuguese, they could communicate but there’s still unknown areas in the more complex words.
Hi there! I really appreciate the case study being done by TLDR in this way. That's because, this analysis highlights all the administrative shortcomings,opportunities for growth and what to do to bring about social,economical and technological growth in this part of the country.
Thanks.
Thanks.
congrats; yurafag
Cornwall is actually a third world economy. It did quite well out of grants from the EU, but then the majority or Cornish curiously voted to leave the very organisation that gave it even a sliver of prosperity. Love from Devon ;-)
Can't save people from themselves.
It's not a "third-world economy". It's comparable to eastern Europe, at worst.
Low intelligence breeds xenophobia.
@@alexpotts6520 would be third world for sure
@@alexpotts6520 Depends entirely on what you consider Third-world as that has many meanings. Originally it meant not aligned with the West (first) or Soviets (second) making Finland a third world country. Over time it meant to be below the richest economies like the UK (first) or the rising economies of China and India (second). In that framing Cornwall as an economic power is certainly third-world, trailing far behind micro nations like Luxembourg. Places like Kosovo in Eastern Europe are third world... It never meant a failed state akin to Somalia.
The definition of voting against your own interests.
😂😂😂
@@jackwhitehead5233true
@@rockyhd5gangxd784 I agree with OP, looking back my comment looks dubious lol
People didn’t just “abandon Cornish.” They were forced to
nah they just realised it was not as useful a language to speak as english
@@wraithface4410 Cap.
@@balls9420true
I don’t think Cornwall should get independent but they should definitely have the same “country” status Wales or Scotland have
or Northern Ireland
Not a chance.
Like Luhansk or Donbass? 😏
@@Admiral_Jezza I always likened Donbass to Northern Ireland, subjected to an aggressive nationalism that refuses to accept their identity and desire to be part of their larger neighbour in their own little corner of their own nation.
@@robert6106 the parallel is that Russian behaviour in Ukraine is similar to that of English in Ireland with the difference that Ukraine is the origin of Russia with the Duchy of Kiev predating and serving as a model for that of Moscow.
All of this hatred in modern day uk and wanting independence stems from the Tories, through various cuts and ignorance.
No it stems for centuries of the English abusing their neighbours and try to wipe out their cultures and languages.
@@fearnpol4938 That's part of it, but Xenoplayz also has a point. Johnson did use them to get the vote on Brexit and left them in the dirt. Now there's no longer any EU money coming into their district and the Tory government won't be coughing up the money to replace it like they said they would. A lot of people got screwed over by Brexit and the promises made or by places that weren't for it at all, but were dragged into it.
So the tories did all those genocides from 1200-1600?
No it stems from history of repression. Cornwall and Wales never even got to sign any documents to join England/UK. Wales and Cornwall have more in common historically than perhaps any other parts of the UK.
@@fearnpol4938 tell me recently how England wiped out scotlands culture because if I’m not mistaken that was Scottish lords who did that
As a Cornishman, listening to TLDR talking about the famous River T’Mar and Ker-now was really quite interesting. For those unaware, they’re pronounced Tay-mar and Ker-no! Yeaaaaa youuuuu!?
Hey you're wrong on Cornish's vitality status as a language. Although it was declared dormant (or extinct) it is one of the few world languages to gain reawakening status. Also in 2010 just a year later UNESCO changed the status to critically endangered.
I see a lot of people baffled by why Cornwall of all places would vote to leave the EU. I was a remainer myself, but like a lot of the UK, locals were subjected to one heck of a propaganda campaign. Essentially, people don't care how much the EU is giving them in charity if you can convince them that the EU is the reason their economy is failing to begin with.
This is probably the wisest comment. You are correct. To most people, £10 earned does not have the same value as £10 received as a handout.
I’m Cornish and that is essentially what happened. It also didn’t help that a large proportion of the Cornish population are old conservatives that simply vote without actually looking into what they are voting for. The Cornish are also typically quite skeptical of outsiders, (even towards English people) and when fed the narrative that they would still be given the same funding as they would be given while in the EU, it’s easy to see why a lot of more conservative voters jumped on the idea.
The problem is that people are sick of centralized powers be it from London or Brussels they just voted in hope for change , people are sick of there lives being controlled by businessmen people dictating places like Cornwall can only be for tourists and rich outsiders dictating what the land must be , and all the wealth going out side their community but alot of people hate the lack of agency they have over their own lives
Also a big issue with voting in Cornwall is that no locals can afford it here anymore gentrification here keeps the tories in as the young poor get replaced by the old rich toffs
You do understand the UK was net contributor to the EU budget right? That the UK got back less than it paid in contributions? It sounds like someone fell for a propaganda campaign, but not the people you refer to.
I remember my mum telling me that when she was young there was news story about the last native Cornish speaker dying, obviously there were still people left who spoke it but she was the last to have it as her first language. Apparently, despite her knowing how to speak English, she refused and only ever spoke Cornish.
So was she the last Cornish speaker?
@@ffi1001 Did you even read my comment? She was the last person to have it as their first language, there are still some people who speak it as an additional language to this day
Her name was Dolly Pentreath, I believe she lived on the Lizard Peninsula and she died in 1777. As you said, she was not the last Cornish speaker of Kernewek but it is generally accepted that she was the last person that spoke it as her primary language.
There has been a move in recent years to promote Kernewek, particularly led by Cornwall County Council. I believe that all new road signs are dual language and that you can be greeted in Kernewek at council offices (I must admit, that could be hearsay as I have not actually experienced it in person).
One cannot help but notice the giant SODHVA GRESLU TRURU sign board outside the Truro police station. :)
I'm amazed to see this, I'm cornish, and proud to be (except for that Brexit vote, guess they wanted to lose all that funding), and the idea of independence always sounds good, but, because Cornwall is what it is, I highly doubt we'd be able to operate easily outside of England (or they'd make it really hard to).
right now it's just about having more control over ourselves rather than independence. if Cornwall could get a devolved government we could start building industries here so that we could survive independently. the main reason we cant survive being independent is because england never allowed us to grow economically unless it was directly to benefit them
Personally I think Brexit was people getting fed up with centralized government be it from London or Brussels where a business man determines your worth to make the most money(Cornwall so I dictate only holiday destination for tourists)
Personally Instead of becoming an independent country based on old ideas and old boarders I think all countries should be split up and reformed but rather them forming around a group of people it will be the land and what it represents that is important , so you might have an island for gay men only and their ideal society an island for conservatives a island for westernised black people , a multi ethnicity land a land for those who only care for business and work so on so forth, then form a network of these lands to make up for what each land lacks
They will make it hard, but when Norther Ireland, Scotland and then Cymru goes...anything is possible. The grip of the elites in Westminster will loosen!
Don’t worry as a Irish person, I support my bothers in the unequal kingdom, never forget what they did to us in the past
@@fearbabhla8841 america is better than Ireland anyway
Curiously,geologically speaking,Cornwall was originally a seperate landmass which affixed itself to England many aeons ago.That's why copper is found there and nowhere else in Britain.
Except Cheshire, North Wales, Scotland etc
So let me get this straight... You (I live in Cornwall) voted leave... when you were getting 100m from the EU?
The entire 330m for the NHS thing... Did it take this number into account?
The irony being that Cornwall like many parts of Wales benefited from EU grants yet voted leave. It's like they didn't realise that the EU would distribute funds paid by the UK to the EU back into many places in the UK that needed it. Funds which have simply vanished as there is no divedend from not paying for an EU membership.
@@jono_cc2258 This is the limit of democracy... People vote without full knowledge of what they are voting for.
Or the politics straight up lie.
There was generally a very strong correlation between EU funding and voting leave.
Let me get this straight... You don't support The Lord of the manor.... when he flicked a shiny gold coin your way?
This entire self determination thing... Did you take into account that the government gives money to the EU, who uses it to pay their bureaucrats to give the money back to various countries, mainly on the other side of the continent?
Funnily enough, yes. We did take that into account.
@@demondelaplace5161 now nobody gets any money. Brilliant solution.
Imagine Scotland, Northern Ireland, Wales, London and Cornwall becoming independent🤔😆
independence for everyone !
Would end up like Spain
Add Yorkshire to that list
You could take "United Kingdom" painfully literally and reduce it to just mean that a king is kept in one piece and not dismembered
It would be the must dumbest shit ever. We'd be quite literally cutting off our nose to spite our face and shoot ourselves in not just the foot but every limb possible...
And for what? Because some people voted remain and are too ignorant & stubborn & wallowing in their unbearable self loathing to move on so Instead they decide to receed to back & act like we live in the age of petty tribal ancient bickering & division of constant war between kingdoms...
Please stop this pathetic infighting and just unite...
There is so little that divides us and such an unbelievable amount that unites us... but the left really has got to drop the hate & division Messaging because that's all they focus on... It's like their life long goal it to spite themselves and rip everyone apart by hyper focusing on the very small divisions and amplifying them to the point, for example, the SNP’s constantly a preaching division & hatred towards the English making a divide where there really isn't one just to fulfil their political agenda.
Just stop!...
I just found this hilarious! A lot of this is to do with the UK leaving the EU because you can't have it both ways. If you want to be independent then you have to respect independence for others who want to be independent and sovereignty.
This whole country is a joke
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Consistency is not an English trait. It is ok for the English to want to leave the EU but not for the Scots to leave the UK - or technically speaking dissolve the union of Scotland with England&Wales.
@@patrickmccutcheon9361 Someone's been drinking... already forgotten the referendum on Scottish independence you fluffed?
@@patrickmccutcheon9361 wales voted OUT . Many Plaid voters voted OUT too
Decentralisation of the UK is necessary partly because the UK is among the most centralised states in Europe
I wonder why France doesn’t have these problems
@@declanfeeney7004 It does
Breton, Basque, and Occitan minorities all have little to no representation in government and no autonomy.
@@winterfollowsspring8637 but no one in France take their revendication seriously, even the region that you named ^^
@@declanfeeney7004 French Polynesia has only French as the official language. Literally still running this region as though it’s like Algeria, seeking to stamp out their language.
@@declanfeeney7004 There are such problems as for example Corsica. Because France is also very centralised
Russian peacekeepers in Cornwall when?
irish peacekeepers more likely, being celts and all.
Cornwall: *gets 100+M funding from the EU*
Mainstream Media: "You won't get that much money if Brexit happens!"
Cornwall: "Project Fear! Remoaners! Fuck yeah 56% Leave!"
Cornwall: *does not get enough to cover the lost 100+M funding from the EU*
Also Cornwall: "Woe is us! Who could have ever predicted this!"
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
They voted for the Leopards Eating People's Faces Party, what did they expect?
You need to understand that most are poor and uneducated here
Remember though, we are a net contributor to the EU. Meaning every penny of funding the EU gave us, we gave more to them.
We now have the money to match their funding exactly and more. We are just exercising our sovereignty to choose spend that money on other things. Like our NHS.
@@placeholdernameisplacehold7671 Except that England is centralized while the EU is federal. Culturally distinct regions all over Europe gain from EU funding. For Westminster it's just a far away province which can be lied to every 4 years.
@@placeholdernameisplacehold7671 Rubbish. The UK is no contributor at all any more. Next to that you only name the fee that had to be payed to be in the Union. You don't tell what the UK got back and how much was earned by not paying tariffs and other income advantages there were.
My home town's castle was the main seat of the medieval earldom and duchy of Cornwall, its in ruins with beautiful and impressive earthworks ...but is not in Cornwall, but in town of Berkhamsted Hertfordshire 26 miles from London, I guess close to the royal english court. The town is where William the Conqueror became the Conqueror (not at Hastings) too lol.
Cornwall is very different from England - that is true.
But whilst I think Scottish Independence and Irish reunification are highly likely in the near to medium term
And in the long term, even Welsh Independence is possible?
The best I could see for Cornwall is its own devolved assembly or perhaps a position as a crown dependency (like the Isle of Man or the Channel islands)
Devolution makes by far the most sense. Shame they got played by brexit.
Brexit was devolution
Leave the UK to be controlled by the EU
Seems that the only way to prevent all of this is a Federal System. However those in London always wish to Rule from London and Rule for the Interests of London alone.
You think the Conservatives, who are going inexorably backwards in London, would favour the capital over the Midlands constituencies they need to win elections?
As a Cornish man ,cornwall should be a country , independent from England .I spent 30yrs up country no fault of mine may I add ,I married an English girl have 3 children .I missed home more than I can explain I'm home now living in Camborne with my dear wife Helen and two of our siblings moved down now I have 10 grandchildren which 8 are Cornish . It's in the blood born at at Agnes in 1958 I'm glad I came home ,living up country was 30yrs of misery .long live cornwall .
An impressive presentation on a matter that was previously unfamiliar. Thank you for the information. :)
Can London please leave the UK too?
It should be renamed to New Karachi
Even though it's obviously not going to happen, the politics of an independent London would be fascinating. Economically, the most logical blueprint for an independent London would be Singapore - a city state running on financial services & tourism. However, electorally they could not be more different - Singapore is only quasi-democratic, a country where the centre-right PAP has been in charge for the country's entire history with no real challenge to its dominance. London, meanwhile, is voting against the Conservatives in ever larger numbers, and it is very plausible that after the next election the only London seats the Tories will hold will be "not really" London, fringes that were administratively part of the home counties until 1965.
@@cerverg London is the richest area of England but keep up your petty name calling
The spooky thing is, I was just at home jn Cornwall and I was speaking with my partner who isn't Cornish and was telling her on Saturday about how there's a moment to try for independence and she didn't believe me
Mate it's barely a movement😂 It's never going to happen.
@@xavier01110 Average Saxon keeping our hopes down
Well no they would have no money no gdp economy same with Scotland if they left they won't be able to pay for eu membership because their gdp can't afford to do and they can't use the pound and they would owe England money on top of that they wold have one foot in the grave
@@scooba42084 lmao, good joke 😂
Very interesting video! I thought i was the only one thinking there could be more devolution to Cornwall too as they did for other regions of the Kingdom. But now i understand there is a full movement about it! A Cornish assembly (Senedh Kernow) could tackle local issues more efficiently. It’s great guys! I hope you will have the autonomy your people is seeking
My view: either Cornwall becames a fully independent small nation of the like of Luxemburg, Malta or Ciprus, or as a devolved authonomous region of an independent Wales. Wales is the true twin sister nation of Cornwall, very close in culture, history and language, than england.
Because having a section of your country completely separated by another country will be easy to manage and beneficial for both of them?
@@WTFinancepodcast the UK does it.
The thing is that there are no fully independent nations today unless one counts North Korea. Cyprus, Malta and Luxemburg are all EU states as well. One problem with nationalism is that it offers mythology and false promises. Even the SNP is not entirely honest with its campaign for Scotland outside of the UK
@@vel0_rouge and look how well that’s going 😂
Don’t forget us! Brittany is very much in a similar situation to Cornwall, with a central government in Paris that still refuses to give recognition to our language and often threatens to get rid of Breton-language schools, and has cut Brittany from its capital and largest city Nantes for more than 50 years now. 50 years ago we were in the same place as Wales. Now we desperately need the same status as Wales.
Brexit has completely wrecked the union I was dead against Brexit I could see the dangers in Northern Ireland I didn’t realise the whole of the UK just could fall apart. I visited my native north-east of England which used to be the ancient kingdom Northumbria and I was amazed to find they have a thriving independence movement. Perhaps a federal solution such as Germany us could be the answer
Inshallah the uk falls apart
Ireland situation is different, the north of Ireland has a chance to be in union with the rest of the island of Ireland, so Ireland is split at this moment which it sounds that you don't like to have a union split. Makes you think
Remoaner traitor
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Northern independence party I think it's called.
Cornish total independence is a hardcore position, so sadly until we move the discussion primarily to devolution and an assembly even essential Cornish advocacy will be perceived as fringe
Could you maybe give us a short detail what the 'why so peaceful' video is about? Right now I have no idea and don't see a point in joining Nebula/CS for it. Maybe that'll change...
I have huge respect for Celtic culture and hope more people start learning Cornish and they get the same right as Scotland
Celtic culture doesn’t exist anymore. Cornwall isn’t really that different from any other rural place in the UK
@@quartzking3997 It needs to change and more people should learn Cornish and it should be taught in school,it is really sad to see and culture die especially something older than the Anglo Saxons
@@quartzking3997 Wrong
@@LeoDas688 it’s an irrelevant language, there’s a reason it was dying out, everyone in Cornwall should be able to speak and read English, which they do
@Schizo I always believed that we should respect our mother tongue, Iam coming from a country with more than one language and we are still united,UK can also stay united with more than one Language,I don't know anything about Welsh Language,if you like speaking English it is your choice,I want all languages to be preserved and don't want any language to die
"Kernow bys vykken" translates roughly as "Cornwall for ever." "Rydhses rag Kernow lemmyn" is freedom for Cornwall now. Also -ow is pronounced like -oe in hoe, not -ow in now. At least do your research properly if you're gonna slag off a semi-indigenous ethnicity.
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I can speak Welsh fluently, and it's funny that remember the first time when I saw "Kernow bys vykken", although previously I had never heard of the word or the meaning, when I saw the translation I just had this feeling of familiarity. In Welsh it's 'Cernyw am Byth' - the letter K disappeared hundreds of years ago during the early printing days. The closest word we have to Vykken is 'Bychan', but that means 'small' and 'bys' in Welsh means finger. So we have Cornwall small finger! Obviously that's the wrong translation, but that explains why I recognized the words, but not the meaning. So even being fluent in Welsh doesn't always mean accurate translation. Other things are very similar though. Our languages were fused 1500 years ago, which allowed Celtic saints to travel far and wide over Celtic Britain
@@chrisrichards7930vykken is NOT a cognate with Welsh “bychan”, but rather a compound of “byth” and “ken” meaning literally “ever-else”.
Really interesting. Hilarious that the Cornish people voted for Brexit when it’s the EU that had been financing to keep them out of poverty. Can’t see how Cornwall could financially survive without support from the government. Also small point of pronunciation the Tamar river is pronounced “tey-mar”
theres no point in blaming the people for voting that way, the majority of the country did. we should be talking about keeping the leave campaign accountable for their lies rather than blaming the people that believed them. they were told they would be better off and unfortunately some people believed it. you also have to keep in mind that a lot of votes in cornwall come from wealthy english people with homes down here who never had cornwalls best interest in mind.
The largest voting bloc in Cornwall is english retirees, we're not allowed to vote for ourselves
@@Chips402 being based in South Devon and working in Cornwall for many years I completely recognise the 2nd home situation and also people moving into the area especially since Covid. To be clear I am not blaming voters for Brexit I just found it an interesting choice. I actually remember the day after the Brexit vote, a school teacher and a school head master being interviewed in-front of the school sign saying "funded by the EU" where the school teacher was very excited and the head master was clearly worried for funding. Seems like his concerns were well founded.
@@brokenglass9814 your right, totally recognise this.
@@robertmenzies6939 i can barely go anywhere without an EU funded sign. my college, the university i went to in Cornwall, greenspaces etc almost everywhere that isn't an independent shop
I love Cornwall, probably my favourite holiday destination. I believe having their own assembly would let them invest in tourism properly, nobody in London is going to do the issue justice. I wouldn't want to see them become independent as their history, myths and landmarks are very relevant to all of England. Just please fund the place, let the locals decide where it should be invested.
I do think it's only fair that Cornwall be given a degree of devolved powers with a local assembly. There's certainly a constitutional argument for it. Hopefully it would allow local people to look after their local interests better than they currently can with Cornwall Council.
Agreed, I would day it should be autonomous
@@shzarmai Devolved not autonomous lol. Huge difference politically. All regions in England should have devolved assemblies or a federal system. It'll only be beneficial the way I see it
Im cornish and id luv it
@@lordgemini2376 ah yes, more bureaucracy and administration is always better. Let’s balkanise the UK, it can only be good.
Apparently Yorkshire and Cornwall have the strongest regional identities, but in Yorkshire as a whole there's no conflict between being a Yorkshireman and an Englishman. But the people overwhelmingly back Yorkshire devolution
Devolution of what though? I doubt most people in Yorkshire want a parliament with the same powers as Holyrood or Stormont.
would be nice to see a video like this on Galicia. All these stateless nations see similar problems, wanting to have a say in their future. As you say these movements are not necceseraly independentists parties but rather movements to be able to decide for themselves what to do as a people.
If Cornwall wants to, then I fully support them. Their movement still has a long way to go. Good luck to them!
An independent Cornwall would be no more economically viable than an independent Isle of Wight. My Cornish grandmother had to emigrate to Devon to find work. What next - an independent Wessex?
Cornwall is a historic nation, wessex is not. The Cornish people are a national minority, there is no "wessexish" people. Read about Luxemburg, smaller than Cornwall yet one of the highest GDP's per capita in the world.
@@brokenglass9814 Only because Wessex has since been split up into different Counties. Alfred was King of Wessex before he became King of England.
@@brokenglass9814 Incorrect, Wessex was its own kingdom
So basically everyone wants local government to have more power and responsibility
The Tamar is pronounced 'Tay-mar' for anyone that doesn't know.
The genocide of the Cornish language is oddly silent.
I really hope Cornish is revived.
Instead of reviving Cornish, they should learn Breton or just encourage English to adopt some Cornish vocabulary (sprinkle in some Celtic slang). A language that is limited to an area as small as Cornwall can’t survive without constant intervention.
It's being revived, there are several thousand speakers
“They can take our lives but they can never take our freedom” - Some lad in Cornwall probably
Actually it's more like, "They can take our lives, but they'll never take our pasties...".
@@andyreid8969 I do love a good oasty
Fantastic video, glad you mentioned about the Stannary Parliament not being technically dissolved. There’s a lot people don’t know about Cornwall and it’s status as a Celtic nation
I was talking to someone about something like this the other week if the UK does indeed split up I would be shocked if it stops at England/Scotland/Wales & NI. However, Cornwall would be something of a shock to me, that being said having lived a bunch of unhappy teenage years there I personally would be delighted to see it go!!!
Wow, TLDR is now on Nebula? Is that new? That's amazing!
Nobody needs to leave Great Britain. United Kingdom can be sorted by leaving Commonwealth then make arrangements with Australia.
@TLDRNews Northern Ireland is not part of Britain as you said in your opening statement. It is part of the UK. Hence your passport saying *United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland*
As a proud cornishman, thankyou for this
why did you vote for boris?
@@fbafoundationalbuck-broken6011 personally...I didn't
@@KoffeServer I could settle for that
@derzzsh
LMAO
In my opinion, people need to stop pushing silly questions for clicks. I'm not denying the existence of the sentiment in some quarters, but there were more sensible related questions to be asked first. Questions that won't needlessly whip people up so much. (e.g. 'Could Cornwall become devolved?')
really thought this was gonna be nothing more than a joke but this is so interesting and enlightening!
For anyone interested in learning more about this the podcast ‘the reason why’ by Seamas Carey is excellent
I would say that all the Celtic nations should leave the UK and form their own union. Then again, I wouldn't be surprised if just about all of England would love to leave the UK and let London all by itself.
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Brittany in France needs to be allowed to join too.
Why the hatred towards England? Do you have some deep hidden childhood trauma or something?
@@damienreilly4347 there’s plenty reason to hate the English as a whole, the empires, the oppression and the countless horrors.
@@Stp1497 and how many people do you know that were involved in all that today? Because nobody alive now had anything to do with that. So to show hatred towards an entire nation because of something that happened 100s if years ago is completely childish and pathetic, something which you need to take a long look at yourself. Do you also hate Germany for world war 2? What about France and Spain for their role in colonialism and slavery? Or what about what Russia are doing to Ukraine right now? Do you blame every single russian?
Would love for you to do a video on Northumbria Independence/Northern Independence Party. The topic of devolution, particularly devolution in England, hasn't been talked enough.
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tbh Cornwall being a state alongside wales, NI & Scotland sounds good to me
And don't forget the Isle of Man, also with it's own language and parliament ...
If this happens East Anglia should definetly go independent.... its the highest area of unemployment, mental health and socially deprived in the UK! Yet nobody ever mentions that in the news....
@@tomgarrod7245 I'm so devastated to read this as a Norfolker 😔
Person born in Cornwall - ethnically cornish
Person born in East Anglia - ethnically english
@@tomgarrod7245 Oh right, well thanks... bit egotistical, I suppose we'll carry on being forgotten about and not mattering. East Anglia in history times was as much its own state as Cornwall was. Let's hope you get your more important independence so you matter more one day then, seeing how Cornwall is too good for the UK yet Anglia can stay the butt of it all.
Lots of areas in the uk have a small minority of people who want independance such as northumbria and wessex if you give cornwall a devolved parliment all of these areas will start wanting it as well. ( which might not be a bad thing)
Kinda sounds like a state/province system used in a lot of countries
Here’s the kicker - the Cornish are a recognised body of people sharing common descent, history and language, in the places you mention the overwhelming national identity is English.
What are the nations of Briton?
Americans: England
Wales, Scotland & Northen Ireland: Are we a joke to you?
Not every American is that ignorant. Just 90% of us.
I'm pleased you're on Nebula now
What I can't fathom is why, if Cornwall has felt neglected by successive UK governments, did they trust the Tories to match EU funding and vote Leave? Especially with fishing being one of their main industries. At least when Scotland become independent they will be able to rejoin the EU as they voted majority Remain. Cornwall is left economically depleted and the land is largely owned by the UK Royal family, so much as I am all for breaking up the UK, I can't see how Cornwall could really stand alone as an independent nation.
Yeah leave the UK.
Fishing and farming changes overnight.
Our economy is built on rich Londoners buying tourist related business and keeping people poor.
Tourism keeps people poor and Cornwall no longer requires it
The fishermen in cornwall were promised that they would have their waters back and that the larger French boats wouldn’t be able to come in and take the already dwindling fish stocks in the area and that made a big difference. Boris failing to get them this has made a lot of them very pissed off.
Most people in Cornwall nowadays are retired English people from all over England. Cornish are a minority within Cornwall...
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You seem to forget that at the time "the tories" were David Cameron's lot, universally hated and telling everyone to vote remain. Add in the lies, people not caring or understanding the importance of the issue and the 'fuck ton' of english retirees and you get a leave vote.
Just a little friendly heads up: the dd in Senedd (and indeed in Welsh) is more like a "th" sound. so it's like "seneth"
The dd in Senedd is like a hardened th, like how the 'th' is pronounced in the word 'then'. The tongue needs to move to the front of the month's entrance/opening. I know you know this but others may not. Also with the word Senedd, we pronounce the first e differently to the second e. I can't think of an English word that has the sound of the first e, though!
very stoked you are nebula finally
Best TLDR Video Ever!!
While getting independance is near impossible (and probably a bad idea), Cornwall could try to get about the same status as Wales.
Wales is fighting to become independent as defined by the UN. 😀
What do you think if they follow the Isle of Man
I think that the more realistic question is if Cornwall could get autonomy within the UK or even become a constituent nation. Make a video on that matter first.
Very interesting indeed.
I wonder how happy everyone on this island will be once we are separated into Wales, Scotland, Cornwall, Yorkshire, London, and the rest. It's about time we remembered the large amount we all have in common.
All small countries that got their own devolved parlaments have become richer and developed, and it's not only in the UK we can see that, just look at the Faroe Islands that are part of Denmark but got their own parlament.
Yup, there should be multiple devolved regions within England itself. Would they be called provinces? Atleast then, with everyone having a degree of autonomy over their own regions leading to better local management and the lack of feeling "not cared about" as much as Westminster makes the regions of the country feels, it may paradoxically lead to the nation being more united and decrease the appetite of the "Northern Independence Party", Cornwall Independence movements and the like.
TL:DR - We should just federalize, it'll be better for everyone 👍
@@lordgemini2376 that would be horrible
Minor point of note - the name of the river is pronounced tay-marr. Taa-maah sounds very fancy though! 😂
Case in point about how the South West feels very disconnected from most of Britain. Great video though! Thanks for making it
Very illustrative
If people starts to form it’s on country on the basis of language and culture. My country India 🇮🇳 would be divided into more than 1 million independent countries.