Damn, the GM did France raw. That's not fair, I'd leave too. Why wouldn't France, in its position, do everything to maintain their sphere and military hegemony? Why wouldn't they manipulate the market? It's good RP, good game sense; but the GM was forcing France to make bad moves.
Usually, I heavily criticize shark because in many games I see him in, like in Spudguns games, HE is the Napoleonic France player. And I said the game things then that I do now. Giving away states to people to keep them on side is cringe, against the spirit of the game, and would never fly with your population or parliament. There are VERY few instances of history where nations willingly give up core lands, Sardina Piedmont giving Nice and Savoy to France is one of the only examples I can think of, and that makes sense because those where relic from when it was the Kingdom of Savoy, a French Duchy.
@@jorgejustin461 The offers made to Italy to join WW1 also kind of fit this but they were a bonus on top of if Italy could get the land they wanted in the war. It doesn't make sense for France to give up its edge to Italy for what's essentially free and less sense for Italy to get "free land" and not notice it could also use that to get more land... Or keep people from taking it. Literally anything other than being neutral in the middle of two massive alliances.
It’s because that doesn’t make an interesting game for the non-hugbox players. It’s sensical, but it kills game health. The way I see it, this was going to happen either way.
@@HighRatKingBenis The consequences of doing this bs should be a natural coalition war; the server teaming up. Not the GM saying 'nope your country is dissolved'.
Props to the France player for getting out of that madhouse. If France wasn't allowed to make allies outside of Spain it should have been in the rules, it was so pathetic watching the host bully and threaten to blacklist the Italy player from future sessions over picking the alliance that benefitted him the most. The country is literally called "Napoleonic Italy" ffs.
I agree it was kind of a scumbag move threatening him but the whole point was for a huge coalition to fight a powerful france. Like a continuation of the napoleonic wars. Kinda ruins the fun if a major player tries to stay neutral
@@AEIOU466 I've played Napoopan's Legacy many times in MP. It's really not the main theme of the mod. Its like saying everyone should gangbang UK in vanilla because they're the strongest.
@@AEIOU466 You do realise that a big reason why Napoleon was so successful irl was because he made separate peace with different nations so that he did not have to fight a huge coalition all at once. It was only after 1812 that most of Europe agreed to work together against Napoleon, allowing his defeat.
@@Peasant_of_Pontus And like, you totally can gang up to smash the #1 GP or local hegemon. But that's never the entire point. If a mod wanted to do a GP vs. tons of enemies scenario, you can definitely set that up in the mod with events and decisions.
24:31 This was a mistake italy made. He should not have given up his position to the Gang bullying tactic. He should have bartered either for a guarantee of austria not declaring war back on him, or for french lands he might want. He basically gave up the best diplomatic stance of victory decider just because of the host bullied him inot it, without any gain
@@j.murphy4884 >Dont want to play as the situation stands big difference. The host and the players wanted to play, just not like this. They are extremely desperate and Italy could have gotten massive concessions.
Did they ever even offer Italy ANYTHING? lol no wonder Italy didn't join their side sooner they never gave him an offer. Everyone just got mad that Italy didn't automatically join their side. Monkeys.
shark (host) is one of the more toxic players in the community, he gets overly defensive and butthurt at anyone or anything that runs counter to his point of view and is prone to throw out insults as his sole form of persuasion
I'm definitely against the host here, it's one thing to explain how this makes the game worse and less interesting for everyone, and another entirely to bully everyone under threat of the campaign ending, and essentially dissolve one faction entirely for out of game reasons. It's just not good play for anyone and leaves a bad taste in everyone's mouths. All in all it's just very poorly handled on his end.
Nah I actually back Italy's diplo here, why fight and lose pops when you can just get it for free? And its not like Prussia, Austria and Russia are completely outnumbered either.
@@j.murphy4884 I wouldn't say so. For Italy it's either fight France or fight Austria, Prussia and Russia. He simply chose the later, and its not like the three emporers alliance is unbalanced here as it includes the UK.
not to mention, autism hungary doesnt want to negotiate with the italians over their cores or goals... why the hell would the italians ever defect from the french side?
Yep that him the same guy that in the spudgun video made an hugbox as burgundy with dm scandinavia italy spain and poland, and in the russia video of bigwevil made an hugbox with all of europe hugbox, i can list more if someone ia interested, hugbox are bad only when your enemies do them Edit i have nothing against him as a person but in most game he ether flame an hugbox or is a part of it
@@Wallace43266 It's almost like you shouldn't base your judgment of someones character on how they're acting in a mp game in which you don't even participate :)
People that watch Weevil and Spud have seen how a weak host can damage the game way more, he was in his right even when he threatened to end the game because if he did not do it, the entire game would just not be fun, It would just be session after session of France curbstomping everyone, who would want to keep playing? It was not just a balancing act, but it was done to make the game more active and fun, at least that is how I see it
@@TheHalfwayXBray true but then it should have just ended. Its a terrible conclusion but the alternative is being a terrible gm so there's no real winner
Man shark is as bad as Dempsey when he is playing great powers . Yeah he is funny and cool with "full siege me down" kinda attitude but he manipulated RadTad s china to kill Pierre s russia instead of letting the guy do his thing . Plus the weevils russia series i still didnt understand why the hell elbia and DM stayed ally while their common enemy burgundy is partitioned . Well good part is he accepted his mistake and i hope we can see some good diplomacy in lobbies instead of perma allies
I'm sorry but the game state was irreparably broken as soon as the GM decided to start saying stuff like you can't ally with France or I'll do x to players especially if anyone actually took these things seriously in any way. If the GM actually goes through with breaking these alliances he has to compensate the players for the wasted time that has already gone into these sessions which is something he can't feasibly do. He's also just breaking his role as GM. If he doesn't want Italy and France to ally cause it breaks the game in whatever way he should have started with that rule already in the game (Especially with you guys claiming it was obviously a bad choice or whatever). It cannot feasibly be added midway through the game cause of the trouble that it's already caused and the time that has been invested into making that alliance the first war in this game would have gone drastically different and the position of Italy would have been so drastically different especially since he would have been forced into helping you. All that wall of text to say he's manipulated the game state to his advantage. The France and Austrian partition of Italy goes through that's scummy as well cause it's only completely possible due to GM threats.
i had an eu4 game where austria just had essentially a puppet prussia, bavaria, and Poland player. So me (the Netherlands at full power), the france, and Italy player made a triple alliance basically to curb the Austrian bullcrap. We defeated them soundly and all we wanted was the westphalia state and a single french core that Austria owned when the gm (russia) threatened to no cb the france player if we took any territory. to which the france player said "bet" we peaced just so france could intervene in a war against the gm and he promptly stackwiped 100k russians in a single battle
The GM was really bad. His role is to establish and enforce the rules (sometime to stop game exploits) and keep a good spirit among the participants as much as possible. Anything outside of that (player diplomacy, wars, etc.) is supposed to be outside his influence. If he wants to stop certain alliances, he has to forbid them from the start in the rules, or give bonuses to the opponents of the Napoleonic bloc in that case (population growth bonuses, gold squares, more provinces added to Prussia/others, etc. ) The guilt-tripping was especially something I didn't like: Even if a player is stupid, you should convince him with arguments and in-game moves that can benefit him more or threathen him into submission, using verbal pressure and somewhat insults (apart from threats of war and other speeches you can associate with diplomacy in the game) is just showing bad game spirit imo. And for the last point: What's the point of playing a mod like this if it's to have a biased GM who looks like he's trying to force the decision automatically against France? With so many players against France, there were ways for a power surge (a faster rush to the colonies for example) or even just setting up rules that prevent France from expanding outside of Europe for 5-10 years, I don't know. Anything but that, for fuck's sake.
Late to the party but I don’t get why the GM keeps calling Italy stupid. He’s literally gained all of his land back by 1843. Probably gained more states and pops than anyone else in Europe: of course he’s acting in his self interest to get his cores back, why wouldn’t he? I doubt joining the coalition would net him nearly as much
@@heart4740 fun fact: the germans started their military skull obession because 1 duke's wife got murder raped by the french and so he and the men under his command became eternal mourners and due to their heroic resistance they got copied.
I completely disagree with the GM on this here, whilst i understand the anger at Italy not switching sides or even joining the coalition in the first place, the responsibility of a player (in my opinion) is to get their nation to the strongest position it can be, without compromising their any future nation's they pick. Ultimately, by siding with France he is making his nation stronger by getting access to all these pops that has has accepted as well as gaining plenty of resources from France for free. Ultimately, he has more to gain by siding with France than with the coalition. In my opinion the Host completely overstepped their boundaries, threatening to move a player to the idiot list and not putting them in Europe because they are not playing the game in the way they think is good is completely unreasonable, threatening to end the game if they don't betray France is even more so. Honestly, in my opinion i feel quite bad for the Italy player, they may be new to Vic 2 MP (or if not new then unskilled), but the verbal abuse they are getting from playing how they are both from GM and others is again, completely unjustified. Admittedly, this is just my two cent's on the issue and i am not and was not in the lobby in order to have a full understanding of the situation. However, from that which has been shown i do think that the GM has overstepped their boundaries here completely.
Ya, but the host was right. It's one thing to be in a hugbox, it's another thing to be a hugbox with the European hegemon. It ruins the game for everyone.
@@wtel9536 then it should have been in the rules or the mod in itself should prevent this situation. Here Italy's choice made sense and if the coalition wanted Italy, they must propose more things than France. Simple
@@j.murphy4884 So will they. If the players can't handle the fact they have to do diplo to achieve goals and have to be better than their opponents, maybe they should play solo, shouldn't you expect fierce responces from the most powerfull country in this timeline ? But what the GM has done is bad, threatening a player because he doesn't follow the "script" is not responsible, and I think that the French aliance is delighted to know that their actions can be undone and don't matters in the name of "game health" and if this continue, may make them leave, which is quite bad, since they are the point of the mod. If you don't want this type of situations happenning, make rules or adjust the mod before but when the game is lauched, it only come to the players to turn the tide, because here it feel artificial.
@@vigosfilm4809 Abuses GM powers, doesnt know how to do diplo, cries when hugboxed but wont hesitate to do the same If he wanted italy to switch sides, they should have offered land, france did that to win over the italian so why wouldn't they
A raging idiot that doesnt know how to do diplo and cries if hugboxes are done against him but declared a 5v1 against weevil with 4 other rival countries
I think saying everyone is toxic would be a bit much. There's different sub groups of the community that play the game much more casually. That's not to say that being competitive or toxic is always a bad thing. Some of the best games I've been in have had very competitive players and funny toxic arguments (Nurse Reno for example)
I would not tolerate a host like that I play within the rules and I play my way ,I’m not gonna be forced to play like the host plays or how he wants because the host is being a man child ,he wanted Italy to join against France that he should’ve use diplomacy like he supposed to and not threaten to flip the entire table over
While I understand wanting to orchestrate a good balanced coalition war for some good fun, they way the host went about it is not how you would do it. I'd say the fun of Victoria 2 MP comes with those secret deals convincing another power to ally you for the sake of Europe or whatever you come up with. Host took that away by threatening basically all of the players. I cant blame the French player for leaving
@@j.murphy4884 yeah and Italy doesn’t have to declare war against France if he doesn’t want to Host should of out it in the rules before starting and not changing it midway for convenience
@@darthguilder1923 The UK in vanilla is even stronger than France in this mod and can take anyone's colonies with ease. Why isn't everyone else coalitioning them?
I do respect the GM apologizing after. Their actions weren’t great BUT having the awareness to learn from their mistakes is admirable. Hopefully they follow through.
Honestly though, that does not deserve any respect. An apology doesnt change the fact that the Italy and Sweden player probably had a bad time dealing with that GM, which also caused the France and the Poland player to leave, the GM with his bullshittery caused 4 and probably more players to leave just in the first session, an apology is just that, an apology but definitely not a solution nor a compensation.
@@g_g1241 literally ruined a game cuz they were the true napoleon all along and couldn't believe that someone would ally with the strongest European nation
Thought I could find it on my own but which part of A Night on Bald Mountain is played during 13:20 - 13:32 Or is it even A Night on the Bald Mountain?
Guy got frustrated, I'm sure he's a good host. and a decent guy, people just weren't playing in good spirit, its the whole point of the mod. at that point just play a different one
I do in the last part, "Silesian Schenanigns". A transfer is when one country takes land from another in an agreement using a "transfer cb" (basically take state for 0 infamy and can only be used when agreed to). A three way transfer is when the two countries can't risk or can't mechanically go to war for whatever reason. So they have a third country join to fix the issue. For an example, Italy wants to give France Tunis, but doesn't want to break their alliance. The UK transfers Tunis from France and France transfers Tunis from the UK Italy -x-> France Italy -> UK -> France
What suprises me the most about these comments is its absolutely clear that a lot of these people are not spud viewers. I figured most of the people that watch you are from spud but these are more bokoen like comments. Still love you though. minus the occasional earrape of the UKs mic in this vid its great.
I don't know why people choose to side with France, isn't the whole point of the scenario to fight wars and beat France? How is it fun to just sit there and eyeball a map for the entire session? It makes sense for nations like Poland, who are a natural ally of France, but Italy? Come on bro.
italy had to choose 2 options, side with france or the coalition to form italy. France offered to help him form pizzaland austria on the other hand told italy to go die in a ditch. if you still dont get why italy wanted to side with france, then idk what to tell you
For the "why *shouldn't* Italy just get all his cores via transfer" smoothbrains: This mod is based around teaming up to fight France, if Italy just doesn't bother, France gets a huge advantage from that and the game might as well end. If you're just going to map paint the ai, you might as well play single player. "but it's what's best for his nation!" So is Germany just letting France have Alsace-Lorraine or vice-versa, but it's a fucking video game.
Then why isn't it in the rules that France can only have Spain as an ally? It isn't. And now France gave over all of Italy to the Italy player for no reason because of the crybaby host threatening to end the game because the France player was too skilled at diplo.
@@SuperCrow02 even if France was bad at diplo Italy was still going to side with France because like Italy said "my name is napoleonic Italy" If they just didn't have three ways transfers the game would've been fine
@@SuperCrow02 Because it's expected that you don't need to have rules against being a retard. And giving someone all their cores in exchange for joining you isn't "skilled diplo", it's just giving them all their shit. The only things I'll fault Shark for are the machine parts episode and rostering Dempsey on France in the first place when he's a huge tryhard and is pretty honest about it.
The problem I feel is that Italy gained literally 0 from joining them. He should at least have bartered for some frenhc lands and a alliance with austria at the very least
21:07 Given the general information, He isn't in the wrong. Because if he isn't doing something drastic and let thing run as is, the campaign would end sooner by hug boxing. Italy wouldn't betray France who been giving him lands unless pressure by the group. If you want to have an easy time, play single player. But remember that Multiplayer is a difference ball game
@@apollon5205 I can say that about a lot of games shown by weevil and Spudgun. Player hugbox are worst than Ai hugboxes. because you can go around it to get what you want for Ai. With players, you are more likely to win a $20 scratch ticket then convince betrayal or 1v1. It cut throat, backstabbing, double cross and dealing out of your control that might Kill you in the end. But back to the point GM did the right thing, New france player might be a good opportunity for them and Italy is the SGF of the campaign.
OH MY SCIENCE the heckin’ hosterino didn’t let France steamroll everyone and make the hours of irl time spent playing this game by everyone except France and co. a frustrating waste, MODS BAN HIM (plz give my comment updoots)
People don't play paradox mp games here. It's a huge time commitment. I played Hoi3 and the games could last 6-12 months. It's like when France is too OP and will ruin the game if Germany doesn't kill it. Same thing here. The host was honest when saying there's no point to playing if France was allowed to curb stomp ahead. Now it's gonna be fair if Italy joins France.
I remember the famous Concert of Europe, where the representatives of the Great Powers all shouted at each other for forming hugboxes.
The historical coalition wars were actually interspersed with British doing exactly that every time Austria or Russia allied France.
Damn, the GM did France raw. That's not fair, I'd leave too.
Why wouldn't France, in its position, do everything to maintain their sphere and military hegemony?
Why wouldn't they manipulate the market? It's good RP, good game sense; but the GM was forcing France to make bad moves.
Usually, I heavily criticize shark because in many games I see him in, like in Spudguns games, HE is the Napoleonic France player.
And I said the game things then that I do now. Giving away states to people to keep them on side is cringe, against the spirit of the game, and would never fly with your population or parliament. There are VERY few instances of history where nations willingly give up core lands, Sardina Piedmont giving Nice and Savoy to France is one of the only examples I can think of, and that makes sense because those where relic from when it was the Kingdom of Savoy, a French Duchy.
@@jorgejustin461 The offers made to Italy to join WW1 also kind of fit this but they were a bonus on top of if Italy could get the land they wanted in the war. It doesn't make sense for France to give up its edge to Italy for what's essentially free and less sense for Italy to get "free land" and not notice it could also use that to get more land... Or keep people from taking it. Literally anything other than being neutral in the middle of two massive alliances.
It’s because that doesn’t make an interesting game for the non-hugbox players. It’s sensical, but it kills game health. The way I see it, this was going to happen either way.
@@HighRatKingBenis The consequences of doing this bs should be a natural coalition war; the server teaming up. Not the GM saying 'nope your country is dissolved'.
i like the zoomed out diplo talk overlaid on the map. much easier to follow and is a nice intermission between gameplay
I generally do this during rehosts, where no gameplay is available
Props to the France player for getting out of that madhouse. If France wasn't allowed to make allies outside of Spain it should have been in the rules, it was so pathetic watching the host bully and threaten to blacklist the Italy player from future sessions over picking the alliance that benefitted him the most. The country is literally called "Napoleonic Italy" ffs.
I agree it was kind of a scumbag move threatening him but the whole point was for a huge coalition to fight a powerful france. Like a continuation of the napoleonic wars. Kinda ruins the fun if a major player tries to stay neutral
India was once called the British Raj... Doesn't mean that everyone in that state agreed to be friendly with Britain
@@AEIOU466 I've played Napoopan's Legacy many times in MP. It's really not the main theme of the mod. Its like saying everyone should gangbang UK in vanilla because they're the strongest.
@@AEIOU466 You do realise that a big reason why Napoleon was so successful irl was because he made separate peace with different nations so that he did not have to fight a huge coalition all at once. It was only after 1812 that most of Europe agreed to work together against Napoleon, allowing his defeat.
@@Peasant_of_Pontus And like, you totally can gang up to smash the #1 GP or local hegemon. But that's never the entire point. If a mod wanted to do a GP vs. tons of enemies scenario, you can definitely set that up in the mod with events and decisions.
24:31 This was a mistake italy made. He should not have given up his position to the Gang bullying tactic. He should have bartered either for a guarantee of austria not declaring war back on him, or for french lands he might want. He basically gave up the best diplomatic stance of victory decider just because of the host bullied him inot it, without any gain
If half the players and the host don't want to play anymore, what do you think happens?
@@j.murphy4884 >Dont want to play as the situation stands
big difference. The host and the players wanted to play, just not like this. They are extremely desperate and Italy could have gotten massive concessions.
Did they ever even offer Italy ANYTHING? lol no wonder Italy didn't join their side sooner they never gave him an offer. Everyone just got mad that Italy didn't automatically join their side. Monkeys.
shark (host) is one of the more toxic players in the community, he gets overly defensive and butthurt at anyone or anything that runs counter to his point of view and is prone to throw out insults as his sole form of persuasion
Victoria 2: Where minors call you Redditors for forming alliances.
I'm definitely against the host here, it's one thing to explain how this makes the game worse and less interesting for everyone, and another entirely to bully everyone under threat of the campaign ending, and essentially dissolve one faction entirely for out of game reasons. It's just not good play for anyone and leaves a bad taste in everyone's mouths. All in all it's just very poorly handled on his end.
Nah I actually back Italy's diplo here, why fight and lose pops when you can just get it for free? And its not like Prussia, Austria and Russia are completely outnumbered either.
Because they might as well play single player
@@j.murphy4884 I wouldn't say so. For Italy it's either fight France or fight Austria, Prussia and Russia. He simply chose the later, and its not like the three emporers alliance is unbalanced here as it includes the UK.
not to mention, autism hungary doesnt want to negotiate with the italians over their cores or goals... why the hell would the italians ever defect from the french side?
isnt the irish guy the same guy that abuses diplo on every single mp, exploits newbies and now is having a mental breakdown as mp gm?
Yep that him the same guy that in the spudgun video made an hugbox as burgundy with dm scandinavia italy spain and poland, and in the russia video of bigwevil made an hugbox with all of europe hugbox, i can list more if someone ia interested, hugbox are bad only when your enemies do them
Edit i have nothing against him as a person but in most game he ether flame an hugbox or is a part of it
@@mirkostefani6327 Yeah everytime I watch Spud's videos he is doing something extra shady so it is ironic seing him rant about it...
It is
Shark is being hypocritical here but I think he's a decent guy
@@Wallace43266 It's almost like you shouldn't base your judgment of someones character on how they're acting in a mp game in which you don't even participate :)
6:31 cope that napoleonic france tries to survive instead of giving up diplo fight agaist entire F'ing europe
Ngl sure the Irish player was trying to maintain balance it just seems like he went a bit far, since he was clearly not acting as a GM should be
I think he was within his station to argue except when he threatened to end the game
@@rryx88 I mean I agree, but you also can't force someone to host a game for you
People that watch Weevil and Spud have seen how a weak host can damage the game way more, he was in his right even when he threatened to end the game because if he did not do it, the entire game would just not be fun, It would just be session after session of France curbstomping everyone, who would want to keep playing? It was not just a balancing act, but it was done to make the game more active and fun, at least that is how I see it
@@TheHalfwayXBray true but then it should have just ended. Its a terrible conclusion but the alternative is being a terrible gm so there's no real winner
The Irish player is notorious for being pretty edgy and unhinged sometimes
Who's the guy on Ireland who keeps screaming? Take anger management classes bro it's not ok
Imagine buying all the Machine Parts industry in the Game.
These videos are great. Like Bo videos, but with more depth and less memes
Wait until you watch Spudgun
Man shark is as bad as Dempsey when he is playing great powers . Yeah he is funny and cool with "full siege me down" kinda attitude but he manipulated RadTad s china to kill Pierre s russia instead of letting the guy do his thing . Plus the weevils russia series i still didnt understand why the hell elbia and DM stayed ally while their common enemy burgundy is partitioned . Well good part is he accepted his mistake and i hope we can see some good diplomacy in lobbies instead of perma allies
I'm sorry but the game state was irreparably broken as soon as the GM decided to start saying stuff like you can't ally with France or I'll do x to players especially if anyone actually took these things seriously in any way. If the GM actually goes through with breaking these alliances he has to compensate the players for the wasted time that has already gone into these sessions which is something he can't feasibly do.
He's also just breaking his role as GM. If he doesn't want Italy and France to ally cause it breaks the game in whatever way he should have started with that rule already in the game (Especially with you guys claiming it was obviously a bad choice or whatever). It cannot feasibly be added midway through the game cause of the trouble that it's already caused and the time that has been invested into making that alliance the first war in this game would have gone drastically different and the position of Italy would have been so drastically different especially since he would have been forced into helping you. All that wall of text to say he's manipulated the game state to his advantage.
The France and Austrian partition of Italy goes through that's scummy as well cause it's only completely possible due to GM threats.
i had an eu4 game where austria just had essentially a puppet prussia, bavaria, and Poland player. So me (the Netherlands at full power), the france, and Italy player made a triple alliance basically to curb the Austrian bullcrap. We defeated them soundly and all we wanted was the westphalia state and a single french core that Austria owned when the gm (russia) threatened to no cb the france player if we took any territory. to which the france player said "bet" we peaced just so france could intervene in a war against the gm and he promptly stackwiped 100k russians in a single battle
The GM was really bad. His role is to establish and enforce the rules (sometime to stop game exploits) and keep a good spirit among the participants as much as possible. Anything outside of that (player diplomacy, wars, etc.) is supposed to be outside his influence. If he wants to stop certain alliances, he has to forbid them from the start in the rules, or give bonuses to the opponents of the Napoleonic bloc in that case (population growth bonuses, gold squares, more provinces added to Prussia/others, etc. ) The guilt-tripping was especially something I didn't like: Even if a player is stupid, you should convince him with arguments and in-game moves that can benefit him more or threathen him into submission, using verbal pressure and somewhat insults (apart from threats of war and other speeches you can associate with diplomacy in the game) is just showing bad game spirit imo. And for the last point: What's the point of playing a mod like this if it's to have a biased GM who looks like he's trying to force the decision automatically against France? With so many players against France, there were ways for a power surge (a faster rush to the colonies for example) or even just setting up rules that prevent France from expanding outside of Europe for 5-10 years, I don't know. Anything but that, for fuck's sake.
Yeah I agree honestly.
Jesus christ did you write this for a school essay?
@@SUM5Y If you think "me see big text, me no like" makes anyone other than you look stupid, you're wrong
@@SUM5Y too many words for your dyslexic ass? lmao
Am scared getting this game and playing multiplayer if people are going to act like absolute assholes
"Italy we need to stop France"
*Kills Poland instead*
Gigachad move
1843 Schizo Wars
Definitely keep all the comms in the vids, it makes it way better, keep it up
Late to the party but I don’t get why the GM keeps calling Italy stupid. He’s literally gained all of his land back by 1843. Probably gained more states and pops than anyone else in Europe: of course he’s acting in his self interest to get his cores back, why wouldn’t he? I doubt joining the coalition would net him nearly as much
Are we the baddies?
Nah we just wear skulls, skulls are cool
@@heart4740 fun fact: the germans started their military skull obession because 1 duke's wife got murder raped by the french and so he and the men under his command became eternal mourners and due to their heroic resistance they got copied.
@@matthiuskoenig3378 Where does this tale come from, sounds intriguing
I completely disagree with the GM on this here, whilst i understand the anger at Italy not switching sides or even joining the coalition in the first place, the responsibility of a player (in my opinion) is to get their nation to the strongest position it can be, without compromising their any future nation's they pick. Ultimately, by siding with France he is making his nation stronger by getting access to all these pops that has has accepted as well as gaining plenty of resources from France for free. Ultimately, he has more to gain by siding with France than with the coalition.
In my opinion the Host completely overstepped their boundaries, threatening to move a player to the idiot list and not putting them in Europe because they are not playing the game in the way they think is good is completely unreasonable, threatening to end the game if they don't betray France is even more so. Honestly, in my opinion i feel quite bad for the Italy player, they may be new to Vic 2 MP (or if not new then unskilled), but the verbal abuse they are getting from playing how they are both from GM and others is again, completely unjustified.
Admittedly, this is just my two cent's on the issue and i am not and was not in the lobby in order to have a full understanding of the situation. However, from that which has been shown i do think that the GM has overstepped their boundaries here completely.
It's Napoleon's legacy, if everyone hugboxes with France, France can't be beaten as there's no point in running the game.
Ya, but the host was right. It's one thing to be in a hugbox, it's another thing to be a hugbox with the European hegemon. It ruins the game for everyone.
@@wtel9536 then it should have been in the rules or the mod in itself should prevent this situation.
Here Italy's choice made sense and if the coalition wanted Italy, they must propose more things than France. Simple
@@F_o_l_d You don't seem to understand that if half the players don't want to play anymore the game ends, and Italy's position stops mattering.
@@j.murphy4884 So will they.
If the players can't handle the fact they have to do diplo to achieve goals and have to be better than their opponents, maybe they should play solo, shouldn't you expect fierce responces from the most powerfull country in this timeline ?
But what the GM has done is bad, threatening a player because he doesn't follow the "script" is not responsible, and I think that the French aliance is delighted to know that their actions can be undone and don't matters in the name of "game health" and if this continue, may make them leave, which is quite bad, since they are the point of the mod.
If you don't want this type of situations happenning, make rules or adjust the mod before but when the game is lauched, it only come to the players to turn the tide, because here it feel artificial.
the eternal struggle
The host is the biggest crybaby ever.
Biggest chad*
@@vigosfilm4809 Abuses GM powers, doesnt know how to do diplo, cries when hugboxed but wont hesitate to do the same
If he wanted italy to switch sides, they should have offered land, france did that to win over the italian so why wouldn't they
This fooking host
I can’t watch the rest of this, the gm is too cancer holding the game hostage and he could’ve handled it a different way
I do hope we get a new episode soon! I really enjoy this series!
who the hell is ireland lmfao threatening to end the game if Italy doesn't join against France
the host...
A raging idiot that doesnt know how to do diplo and cries if hugboxes are done against him but declared a 5v1 against weevil with 4 other rival countries
come on weevil pump out those videos bro, the algorithm needs consistency
C'mon man even if you can't upload, just show us that you are alive. You're the only VIC2 CZcamsr I watch and I am experiencing deficiency.
check out spudgun official he makes videos just like bigweevil
@@pelayla Spudgun is now a professional Empire at War streamer, doesn't make Vic2 content anymore
Yeah, don’t let Ireland host again for a while…
people like this GM is why i don't play multiplayer on paradox games
Why is the vic2 mp community so toxic?
map games are very serious
@@pelayla I've been playing paradox games mp for decades. These communities are some of the worst
it's an insular and elitist history-adjacent internet community, it was bound to be insanely toxic.
“Why aren’t the people who stare at maps for hours as their premier form of entertainment very socially conscious and charming?”
I think saying everyone is toxic would be a bit much. There's different sub groups of the community that play the game much more casually. That's not to say that being competitive or toxic is always a bad thing. Some of the best games I've been in have had very competitive players and funny toxic arguments (Nurse Reno for example)
Oh wow the machine parts meme is funny as can be though
bloody ireland player sounds like ser davos from game of thrones
pls dont tell me I am the only one who thinks like this....
I would not tolerate a host like that I play within the rules and I play my way ,I’m not gonna be forced to play like the host plays or how he wants because the host is being a man child ,he wanted Italy to join against France that he should’ve use diplomacy like he supposed to and not threaten to flip the entire table over
While I understand wanting to orchestrate a good balanced coalition war for some good fun, they way the host went about it is not how you would do it. I'd say the fun of Victoria 2 MP comes with those secret deals convincing another power to ally you for the sake of Europe or whatever you come up with. Host took that away by threatening basically all of the players. I cant blame the French player for leaving
shouldn't ireland (host) be allied to france? didn't france help their people to be like independent from british and potato famines
It's MP, not larping
@@j.murphy4884 Ah yes....? Splendid
@@j.murphy4884 yeah and Italy doesn’t have to declare war against France if he doesn’t want to
Host should of out it in the rules before starting and not changing it midway for convenience
Italy's diplo really made sense from his pov, the host forcing him to join against France is really gay though.
Except it’s contrary to the point of the mod and it makes everyone else’s game horrible
@@darthguilder1923 The UK in vanilla is even stronger than France in this mod and can take anyone's colonies with ease. Why isn't everyone else coalitioning them?
I love bigweevil, I wish he was real
He definitely is real, he's one of the 10000 voices I hear in my head every night when I go to sleep
I love this Irish player, muh sides
Shark is a decent guy
The virgin redditor vs the Chad host
me waiting for a newer nvidia gpu to be put in his system to give him that crispy hn4 encoding for better bit rate
terrible host. In truth allies got out diplo'd by France. Host threatening to end the game because he's mad that someone is playing well is sad.
Reddit moment
I do respect the GM apologizing after. Their actions weren’t great BUT having the awareness to learn from their mistakes is admirable. Hopefully they follow through.
Honestly though, that does not deserve any respect. An apology doesnt change the fact that the Italy and Sweden player probably had a bad time dealing with that GM, which also caused the France and the Poland player to leave, the GM with his bullshittery caused 4 and probably more players to leave just in the first session, an apology is just that, an apology but definitely not a solution nor a compensation.
@@g_g1241 literally ruined a game cuz they were the true napoleon all along and couldn't believe that someone would ally with the strongest European nation
Thx for ripping my ears
Irish cringe tbh
Thought I could find it on my own but which part of A Night on Bald Mountain is played during 13:20 - 13:32
Or is it even A Night on the Bald Mountain?
It's about two-and-a-half minutes into the song.
i think that game need a new host
Guy got frustrated, I'm sure he's a good host. and a decent guy, people just weren't playing in good spirit, its the whole point of the mod. at that point just play a different one
Can you explain what a three way transfer is?
I do in the last part, "Silesian Schenanigns". A transfer is when one country takes land from another in an agreement using a "transfer cb" (basically take state for 0 infamy and can only be used when agreed to). A three way transfer is when the two countries can't risk or can't mechanically go to war for whatever reason. So they have a third country join to fix the issue. For an example, Italy wants to give France Tunis, but doesn't want to break their alliance. The UK transfers Tunis from France and France transfers Tunis from the UK
Italy -x-> France
Italy -> UK -> France
Thanks
What suprises me the most about these comments is its absolutely clear that a lot of these people are not spud viewers.
I figured most of the people that watch you are from spud but these are more bokoen like comments.
Still love you though. minus the occasional earrape of the UKs mic in this vid its great.
GM was a crybaby but good vid
why you so mad its only game
I don't know why people choose to side with France, isn't the whole point of the scenario to fight wars and beat France? How is it fun to just sit there and eyeball a map for the entire session? It makes sense for nations like Poland, who are a natural ally of France, but Italy? Come on bro.
italy had to choose 2 options, side with france or the coalition to form italy. France offered to help him form pizzaland
austria on the other hand told italy to go die in a ditch. if you still dont get why italy wanted to side with france, then idk what to tell you
THE HOST WAS RIGHT FIGHT ME
DAS RITE
For the "why *shouldn't* Italy just get all his cores via transfer" smoothbrains:
This mod is based around teaming up to fight France, if Italy just doesn't bother, France gets a huge advantage from that and the game might as well end. If you're just going to map paint the ai, you might as well play single player.
"but it's what's best for his nation!"
So is Germany just letting France have Alsace-Lorraine or vice-versa, but it's a fucking video game.
Then why isn't it in the rules that France can only have Spain as an ally? It isn't. And now France gave over all of Italy to the Italy player for no reason because of the crybaby host threatening to end the game because the France player was too skilled at diplo.
Mp isn't a place to have a trade fair, this is a mod encourage you to 1 v 8 and coming out on top on either side.
@@SuperCrow02 even if France was bad at diplo Italy was still going to side with France because like Italy said "my name is napoleonic Italy"
If they just didn't have three ways transfers the game would've been fine
@@SuperCrow02 Because it's expected that you don't need to have rules against being a retard. And giving someone all their cores in exchange for joining you isn't "skilled diplo", it's just giving them all their shit. The only things I'll fault Shark for are the machine parts episode and rostering Dempsey on France in the first place when he's a huge tryhard and is pretty honest about it.
The problem I feel is that Italy gained literally 0 from joining them. He should at least have bartered for some frenhc lands and a alliance with austria at the very least
21:07 Given the general information, He isn't in the wrong. Because if he isn't doing something drastic and let thing run as is, the campaign would end sooner by hug boxing. Italy wouldn't betray France who been giving him lands unless pressure by the group. If you want to have an easy time, play single player. But remember that Multiplayer is a difference ball game
The GM shouldn't really be forcing people to play some way because he thinks that's the best for their nation.
Finally, someone who isn't a smoothbrain
@@apollon5205 I can say that about a lot of games shown by weevil and Spudgun.
Player hugbox are worst than Ai hugboxes.
because you can go around it to get what you want for Ai.
With players, you are more likely to win a $20 scratch ticket then convince betrayal or 1v1.
It cut throat, backstabbing, double cross and dealing out of your control that might Kill you in the end.
But back to the point GM did the right thing, New france player might be a good opportunity for them and Italy is the SGF of the campaign.
What a cringe host
First
Not quite...
Ur just schizo
OH MY SCIENCE the heckin’ hosterino didn’t let France steamroll everyone and make the hours of irl time spent playing this game by everyone except France and co. a frustrating waste, MODS BAN HIM (plz give my comment updoots)
People don't play paradox mp games here. It's a huge time commitment. I played Hoi3 and the games could last 6-12 months. It's like when France is too OP and will ruin the game if Germany doesn't kill it. Same thing here. The host was honest when saying there's no point to playing if France was allowed to curb stomp ahead. Now it's gonna be fair if Italy joins France.
The amount of redditors in the comments.
@@j.murphy4884 it’s just a game bro
L GM, maybe you should ban him from hosting
Worst host.