4L60E P1870 TCC PWM Valve Fix WITHOUT REMOVING VALVEBODY

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  • čas přidán 24. 08. 2024
  • In this video I will remove the TCC PWM Valve in a 4L60E and replace it with a block off valve WITHOUT REMOVING the Valve body from the transmission.
    UPDATE: This fix has been working flawlessly for 10k miles so far in this same transmission.

Komentáře • 75

  • @bluediamondareafishing3563
    @bluediamondareafishing3563 Před 5 měsíci +5

    Made a very quick and simple job out of a job that could have been a nightmare. My truck is back on the road!!! Thanks for the video!

    • @ark2002
      @ark2002  Před 4 měsíci +1

      Glad to help!

    • @KollynJ
      @KollynJ Před 22 dny +1

      How’s it holding up how many miles since ?

    • @bluediamondareafishing3563
      @bluediamondareafishing3563 Před 22 dny

      @@KollynJ been holding up great! Like a new tranny still. Been about 3,000 or so miles since…. It’s not my daily, but I have driven it to work for a week which is 40 miles each way… been absolutely amazing!

  • @JohnDoesItAll
    @JohnDoesItAll Před 2 měsíci +1

    Wow! Thank you for this tip! (And the 10k update)

  • @pistol850
    @pistol850 Před měsícem +1

    Well I've been prying on mine for 2 days and I'm starting to think it's impossible to get it out that way
    It's funny that you didn't do it on video

    • @ark2002
      @ark2002  Před měsícem +1

      You have to bend the ends of the clip before you can open it to push it out. Takes two hands. I did not take the valve body out to remove it just to put it back on to trick everyone (also, there are many others that have been successful in the comments doing it).

    • @Wangchung405
      @Wangchung405 Před 17 dny

      His method works just fine. Next time put your purse down and you might have better luck

  • @JIgginCrappie
    @JIgginCrappie Před rokem +1

    Thanks for making this video. I’m getting ready to tackle this project

  • @davebanner8666
    @davebanner8666 Před 7 měsíci +7

    Thank you for your help. I got a p1870 code, also when the tranny gets heated up I get a heavy jerk from 1 -2 gear. All other gears are fine. When the tranny cools down it doesn’t happen. I understand that this might help with that. Just wanted your thoughts. Thanks take care god bless.

    • @rick4lif
      @rick4lif Před 6 měsíci +2

      I have the same exact issue. Debating on doing this or replacing the valvebody with a sonnax updated model...

    • @KollynJ
      @KollynJ Před 5 měsíci

      What did you guys find out?

    • @jaden.sanderson
      @jaden.sanderson Před 5 měsíci

      @@KollynJI am interested as well. I have having all the same symptoms. I my truck drives awesome apart from the converter not locking up.

    • @Chevy-f4l
      @Chevy-f4l Před 4 měsíci

      I have same problem with 4l80e after driving on highway it'll jerk on 1-2 shift some time on 2-3 shift

    • @brennanbishop4886
      @brennanbishop4886 Před 2 měsíci +1

      I'm having the same symptoms as stated above. 2000 gmc sierra 1500 with 156k miles. After a longer period on the highway today I started having a harsh 1-2 shift when stopping through towns on the way home, scanned and found the P1870. Will this kit be effective at remedying the issue?

  • @mrtopcat2
    @mrtopcat2 Před 11 měsíci

    Thanks for posting this video. I spent a tremendous time with this problem over several months, during which time, I had ordered this part and returned it. My main issue with it was that it comes with a rubber seal. If someone is planning to keep the truck for just a few years, now problem, but if the truck is a keeper for the long run...
    ...then this rubber seal is a major concern to me, as some day it will start deteriorating and thereby sending micro particles in all the other valves.
    By the way, the rubber seal did not even fit properly. It was far too big. Yes, I could bring it through the outer bore, but it would have to pass other sharp edged bores, where it would be potentially cut up. So verification that this seal is not cut up during install is THE MAIN REASON for not doing this on the car. In fact, I think doing this on the car is taking chances. Again, once these rubber parts start floating around the valve body, all bets are off.

    • @ark2002
      @ark2002  Před 11 měsíci +2

      I understand what you are saying about the sharp edges damaging the O-rings on install, but this transmission has been in a truck for about 6k miles as of now and if functioning perfectly. I don't see the o rings being a problem with deteriorating. There are other parts in the transmission that have o rings, and they do not seem to fail over time. Also, this new valve does not move inside the bore like the old one did, it is more of a stationary blocker, so the o rings should not wear over time.

    • @mrtopcat2
      @mrtopcat2 Před 11 měsíci +1

      @@ark2002 Thank you for your response. Sorry, I may not have expressed my point well in my prior reply.
      When you insert this unit into the bore, it has to first pass the sharp edges of the outer bore, then before it is seated in its final position, it has to pass several more sharp edges and their corresponding inner bores. So there is no way this O-Ring will not be torn up to at least some degree during installation and left with damage. Hence my subsequent degradation worries, even if the install was successful in terms of blocking function. As a result, I would be particularly worried installing this without removal of the valve body, as then there is not even a way what so ever to monitor the extent of damage that the O-Ring has sustained during install. Reality was such, that I have the most super carefully and greased up installed this unit with the valve body removed. However, upon install, my sentiment was instant regret. Because, subsequently I had hard time taking it out. After taking it out, I was hawkishly looking for left over debris or other damage of the bores and meticulously cleaned everything.
      Another thing that I like to point out about PWM deleting/blocking, are the differences in TCC clutches to begin with. This may not be well known. It has been covered only in a few GMT400 threads. Apparently, the clutch material in TCC prior to PWM lockup was DIFFERENT. According to same forums, the clutch material of new PWM TCC generation is not compatible with the resulting instant/harsh engagement of PWM delete/block. How much of that is true in the long term remains to be seen. All I can say for now that I have read this often enough to be concerned about it.
      To counter that same argument, or what speaks against this angle, is that in his videos, Richard @ Precision Transmission seems to be deleting/blocking all of his 4L60 builds. And Richard is a real pro. Still, I have watched enough of his videos to have some remaining doubt about even if he knows for sure about the long term. That is not to say that I know more than him; hell no. But I do say that generally speaking it HAS TO BE very difficult for ANY shop to reliably judge emerging LONG TERM patterns, WITHOUT EXACTLY and VERIFIABLY knowing how well the customer has treated or used their vehicles. Especially, since it takes years or decades for such emerging long term patterns to manifest themselves to begin with.
      Long story short, I would err on the side of caution when deleting/blocking PWM systems. In fact that is the route what I have chosen, leaving the PWM intact while rebuilding other parts.

    • @dennyc1047
      @dennyc1047 Před 11 měsíci +2

      A very well thought out commentary and analysis, especially about the difficulty in tracking the long term reliability of such a mod.@@mrtopcat2

    • @DJJDSKREWED
      @DJJDSKREWED Před 10 měsíci +1

      @@mrtopcat2I been watching his channel I have to do this myself but I’m buying a rebuilt vavle body with this already done to it cause I need a new gasket for the vavle body and the plate

    • @ark2002
      @ark2002  Před 9 měsíci +4

      I totally understand what you are saying, but for my case I was fighting PWM issues with this truck for months, I have now done about 9k miles since this "patch" and have been extremely happy with the results. Solid TCC lockup every time, no slipping, this truck tows trailers often and it has reduced the amount of heat generated in the transmission dramatically. As for longevity, the PWM system is well known to have problems, I think this solution will outlast the lifespan of something going wrong with the unnecessary PWM. Also should note that this was a $500 junkyard transmission behind a 2600stall torque converter on a truck with big tires and I am not nice to it when I drive, so if it dies, it dies, I will just go get another. But as of now it seems to be doing great.

  • @TomasChaps
    @TomasChaps Před 4 měsíci

    Did mine the hard way 3 years ago. Couldnt get clip out, had to remove valve body. Now have 1860 code time for round 2.

    • @KollynJ
      @KollynJ Před 22 dny

      What caused that code?

  • @panchovillajuan
    @panchovillajuan Před 10 dny

    Where did you buy that flashlight from? Nice video i am in the process of swapping that TCC valve as well.

    • @ark2002
      @ark2002  Před 7 hodinami

      Light is from Harbor Freight.

  • @davidessien5465
    @davidessien5465 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Great video sir!

  • @Jennifer-xz8ic
    @Jennifer-xz8ic Před měsícem

    be nice to show parts removed and installed since the camera was aimed at the repair

  • @ronwilliams9650
    @ronwilliams9650 Před měsícem

    ok i see there is 2 different styles, one with what looks like a nipple on the end and 1 that dont how do you no wich one I need mine is a 2000 silverado

  • @GrandPitoVic
    @GrandPitoVic Před rokem +1

    I finall started my first swap. 03' Crown Vic Police Interceptor Ls3/4L80. Im only doing the Ls3 cause i found a Ls3 block cheap. Otherwise it would be a 6.0L. Lol. I dropped the block off last week to the machine shop to get honed or bored. Not sure yet waiting to hear from them to see which. I already had a 40k mile crank and Gen 4 rods and pretty much everything, but the block and heads. It was from a 20q2 Ly6 6.0. Even the accessory braket, intake everything. I still need to grab a set of heads for it. I watch your whole swap. Just curious how its doin.

    • @ark2002
      @ark2002  Před rokem +1

      Glad to hear you got your swap started. Funny you asked about the mustang, I just got a bunch of parts in this week for the turbo setup, so there should be a video soon as I have time to work on it.

    • @GrandPitoVic
      @GrandPitoVic Před rokem

      Hell yea, glad to hear. I'll be on the lookout. I'm going to run both the Ford and Gm fuse box and ECU the way you did that way Everything still works on my car. I'm pulling the harness from my Vic so I can depin it and make it a stand-alone setup so my factory gauges will still work. I've got it figured to where I believe the volt,oil, temp, and fuel level gauges will work. Just have to figure out me speedo. Prob have to go GPS. I'm going to hook up the VSS out from the 4L80 to the input on my Ford ECU and see what happens. I want to build a sleeper, so I want her to look stockish. ISH, lol.

  • @harleyguy932
    @harleyguy932 Před 8 měsíci

    The little oring is loose in my package, does it just go on the “shaft”? Like the one in your package?

  • @84montecarlonazi
    @84montecarlonazi Před 7 měsíci

    I redid the entire transmission and still 1860 code it’s on the truck side any ideas?

  • @travisgrimm
    @travisgrimm Před 4 měsíci

    Pretty certain my torque converter is on. It'll stall the engine when I put it in gear so we'll try this before it goes to the shop

    • @Bleachanna
      @Bleachanna Před 2 měsíci

      Probably the main tcc solenoid

  • @migueltrevino3337
    @migueltrevino3337 Před 10 měsíci +1

    The transmission of my 95 Silverado shift hard when I put it in gear it kicks hard and from 1 to 2 it shift hard

    • @ulisesreyesruiz5021
      @ulisesreyesruiz5021 Před 9 měsíci

      La mía hace lo mismo pero solo cuando corre durante más de una hora pero si lo apago y prendo, vuelve a la normalidad a que cres tu que se deba

    • @Jeff-oc6tm
      @Jeff-oc6tm Před 8 měsíci

      Forward accumulator and 1-2 accumulator sticking is my best uneducated guess.

    • @nosurfenougheddie
      @nosurfenougheddie Před 6 měsíci

      Replace the TPS sensor on the throttle body. Had same issue on my 1995 Suburban 5.7 tbi and now trans shifts like butter.

    • @martinmunoz8384
      @martinmunoz8384 Před 4 měsíci

      la mia hace lo mismo> que era lo que tenia la tuya. la pudistes arreglar@@ulisesreyesruiz5021

  • @ooorah8499
    @ooorah8499 Před 11 měsíci

    I have a 1994 which I have heard is NON PWM and should not worry about converting this valve? My transmission fuse blew when the weather was really hot. So I am getting ready to drop the pan and replace the Master wiring harness with switches and solenoids.

    • @ark2002
      @ark2002  Před 11 měsíci

      I do not think the 94 has this pwm valve, I think it started around 96, but I'd double-check to make sure.

    • @EilersAutoDieselLLC
      @EilersAutoDieselLLC Před 8 měsíci

      Correct 94 did not have a PMW TCC, you don’t have to worry about that.

    • @KollynJ
      @KollynJ Před 5 měsíci

      Did it give you a code for blown tranny fuse?

  • @tito81cutty
    @tito81cutty Před 10 měsíci +1

    Do i put back onn old spring with new valve?

    • @ark2002
      @ark2002  Před 9 měsíci +3

      No need for the spring with the new valve, as the new valve no longer moves, it is essentially a blockoff valve.

  • @shellytorrao5431
    @shellytorrao5431 Před měsícem

    Did you put the spring back in with the new valve

    • @ark2002
      @ark2002  Před měsícem

      No need for the spring with the new valve, as the new valve no longer moves, it is essentially a block-off valve.

  • @shawmansmash
    @shawmansmash Před 4 měsíci

    My new tcc valve doesnt fit all the way in. Any ideas?

    • @TomasChaps
      @TomasChaps Před 4 měsíci

      Have to force it, use lots of trans fluid, dont cut those o-rings on valve body. I did it 3 times, about 1/2 inch each time. 3rd time it seated, but was tight. Lots of trans fluid helps lube o-rings.

  • @GrandPitoVic
    @GrandPitoVic Před rokem

    How is your stang doing with the Ls swap brother?

  • @daviddavis8524
    @daviddavis8524 Před 4 měsíci

    Im having a gard time getting that clip out, how did you bend the clip?

    • @ark2002
      @ark2002  Před 4 měsíci +1

      Ground the end of the needle nose pliers, bent the ends of the clip straight and push open. Lots of patience.

  • @josevaldez7281
    @josevaldez7281 Před 6 měsíci

    pressures not to high 🤔

    • @ark2002
      @ark2002  Před 6 měsíci +1

      Doesn't seem to be causing any problems, this is similar to how the how the previous non pwm transmissions worked, they were just on/off with the converter lockup.

  • @papergatorzfedducca7998
    @papergatorzfedducca7998 Před 11 měsíci

    What year is the 4l60e?

    • @ark2002
      @ark2002  Před 11 měsíci +1

      I think this one was a 1998, but they are all pretty similar.

    • @tito81cutty
      @tito81cutty Před 10 měsíci

      What about the old spring do we put it back inside with new valve?