WHAT DO LEAFS DO IF MARNER & TAVARES DON’T WAIVE NO MOVEMENT CLAUSES?
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- Host of OverDrive Brian Hayes joins 7-Eleven That's Hockey on SportsCentre to discuss the what took place at the Toronto Maple Leafs Management news conference, the results of the playoffs, the core-four, and more!
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Just here to say Hayes is an absolute stud on these panels... we see it on Overdrive but ... he's good! One of the best.
Calm down bro
Actually, he's just eating the low hanging fruit. I've not heard him say a single creative idea. Actually, I think his banter hurts the chance that real moves will get done.
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@John577 they don't make organizational decisions based on what Bryan Hayes says
Hayes is good but he mewls far too much about the media getting flack for criticizing players, meanwhile here he’s suggesting making it uncomfortable for those with NMC so as to run them out of town. He’s obviously dull witted
Hire Babs as a coach and watch Marner waive that no move clause.
7-8 years with the fluff four. I didn't realize its been that long. And just one playoff round win. Brutal! Move them.
53% of a team's cap tied to 4 players is ridiculous, no wonder they can't keep other players around how do you use the remaining 47% to get 19 other solid players?
60% in 5 players if you include Reilly, who made crucial mistakes and isn't preoducing.
This to me is the big flaw with the pay structure. Everyone wants to win but on some subconscious level do the 19 look at the 5 in the playoffs and say "Time to earn all that money."?
Ask Dubas.
Its dubas that handed those absorbed contracts out. Hopefully the new management will change things but they still have Shanahan unfortunately
4 players? 4 forwards. Two of them need to be a stud defenseman and an elite goalie.
When a 21 yrs old guy is you best performer in the playoffs there is something wrong with guys making 11 million not producing and a guy making league minimum playing with a lot a heart taking hits to make plays he is built for playoffs only 21 yrs old knies♥️
Get Gerard Gallant, who will sit them on bench if effort is not put out
Another rerun of Ground Hog Day for next season
Put up with them until the end of the next season and let them declare themselves free agents. After they're gone there will be lots of cap room to obtain 3 or 4 physical players with the grit leafs need
The biggest mistake made was not signing ZACH HYMAN THIS GUY SHOWED UP AND WORKED HARD EVERY NIGHT
Hyman was due a minimum 5 - 5.5mil/year payday. The Laughs literally could not afford to sign him because they've locked up 50+mil of the cap in their so-called 'Core 4' + Reilly.
But yes, Hyman is *exactly* the kind of heart & soul, true grit player the Loafs need at least 4-5 of to make them competitive in the playoffs.
I've Been saying that since they let him walk to sign the others, a huge mistake
Only problem was he couldnt score against Montreal and misssed glorious chance after glorious chance. Granted it was Carey Price and Hyman wasnt the only reason we lost but he missed a ton of chances that series he should have buried.
I don't think anyone could have foreseen him becoming a 50 goal scorer, but I thought he was great and it was a mistake to let him walk.
their biggest mistake was not trading one of their core to free space to sign Alex Pietrangelo not even close
You tell Marner he’s not wanted, the fan base gets on him, he’ll waive. He can’t take the fan pressure, we know this. So pressure him outta town. Marner brings a decent return, picks his destination. JT is a different story - you deal with the bad contract for a year and then keep him at a lower price.
What return?😂😂😂. Who’s taking an $11 million contract and giving up assets with similar value? Noooobody
Bench Marner until he waives. Retain 50% and pick up a prospect and a 1st rounder for the future. Use cash to keep Domi and Bert. Take a half step back next year. In 2025, you free up the other half of Marner's contract and are out from Tavares. I'd re-sign JT at $2m x 4 yrs to have him on the 3rd line wing. Now you have another $5M + $9m + cap increase of $4m to get a goal and some D. Maybe you get lucky developing Cowan or Minten or Grebyonkin by '25-'26.
@@apprenticephil649 a team looking for an all star first line RW who’s in need of offense and doesn’t have a top heavy payroll. You may have to sell him for 75 cents on the dollar, but let’s not act like he’s a 4th line plug. He had a bad series, and has before - and some other GM will think “look at that skill, we need offense, let’s take the gamble.” Happens every summer many times over from GMs feeling the pressure to improve their team or lose their job.
@@apprenticephil649your an idiot.....for example.....sens would take him in straight up trade for tkachuk no questions asked
I think the only way to force Marner out is to bench him until he waives his nmc. Leafs retain 50%. Leafs will lose the trade, but still get a good return. The '24-'25 season is for retooling.
I know they don’t want hear this but the Leafs need to start over. A coach might help, but I think there is too much “set in their ways” with this team. The fact that they might ask them to leave would build a lot of animosity. You better be prepared to buy them out.
The frustrating part is look how they played in game 5 and 6. It’s like they have the ability to play well. They just can’t close anything out.
Haysey B crushing it as always
I think Marner would have no issue waiving if he was asked. I'm sure he would prefer to stay, but if you say we want to trade you I mean, he already has the fan base on him it's probably a relief to leave in the end. Tavares would be more difficult. I can't see any circumstance he accepts to move.
I bet they won't even ask him too move cuz they want to resign him at an extremely discounted rate. Maybe 8mill over 2 years. He'd be wrth every penny of that
Shanahan knew when it was time to step off the ice as a player. Too bad he doesn't know when it is time to step away as a suit.
Just healthy scratch both of them. Maybe for geriatric health concerns - JT can be moved to Long Term Injury Reserve. JT couldn’t possibly been healthy when he skated slower than Maroon against the Bruins. Matthews on the wing could prevent him from looking so bad - Matthews is a proven playoff disappointment at centre. Of course the Leafs also have a much better record with Morgan out of the lineup. Boy the Core 4 screw up against Columbus years ago and nobody bothered doing anything since back then. 😀
Once new coach in place I think the only possible "core 4" move they can make is to have John Tavares come in for a discussion, not to trade him but to discuss a few things politely and talk about him on third line and mybe the C being given to Matthews
I don't agree about Matthews. He's stared straight ahead with dead eyes while on the bench too many times. I could tell this loss hurt because he was much more engaged.
It's not that they don't want them anymore, it's that their contracts are a hinderance. Sit them down and tell them if they want to remain Leafs, they'll have to leave some money on the table so the team can build a good team around them.
Their contracts are iron clad. How will they leave money on the table when it’s guaranteed in their contract?
@@apprenticephil649 I was referring to when it comes time to talk extensions.
@@motley22crueI don't think you understand. Taxes is canada suck for players. It might look like they are over paid but they're not. Go look.up.the Tavares situation. They want like 10 million in taxes
in one year 23 million comes off the books. Let them play.
I say trade marner but yes, valid point
And waste another season? You Leafs fan are born losers lol
Marners gotta go, and if they don’t trade him they waste a 4th pick, and won’t get another that high for a while
@@TheTHCbaby if they don't Toronto has 2 extremely motivated players of talent . They'll be playing for their next contract. If Toronto waits Vegas or LA will fork it over. Either was this saga will be a long arc.
So another wasted year is what you propose
Nothing will change over the summer. They'll have a hot start with a new coach. Plan the parade. Get out out in the first round. And we'll be in the exact same place this time next year kids.
There is winning and then there is WINNING.
Winning in the playoffs is all about winning ! Winning a Division a Confrence is Winning .
Winning to just make the playoffs they have done that with little success!
3 players need to be asked regarding no move clauses.
44 16 91.
As for the next Captain who will be a leader on the ice and off who has the qualities of a Captain you want to have . Jake McCabe has those qualities, if they keep Edmondson possible.Domi possible if they can resign him Sorry Mathews does not have those Qualities.
As for Alternates Kempf Mathews Nylander Ryan Reaves
It was the same lip service we've always heard. Shanahan needs to be fired.
As for Marner and Tavares, why would you want to stay on a team that you're not wanted on?!
Like ODog said, MONAY! Who would pay these guys the Leafs paid them? Someone else will be giving him his next contract but at what number?
Because they don’t care.
Marner is the softest piece of wet tissue, he will stay in his comfort zone and not waive it and hurt the leafs another year.
@@MisterMister5893San Jose offered JT more, but pajama boy wanted to come home.
@@agi2160and I’m very thankful he did cause he scored the game winning goal to beat Tampa last year
Just an idea but has the time come when Toronto needs, deserves and can support a second NHL franchise….
Exactly. That’s the only way the Leafs get competitive. When the eyes and butts fill another teams seats
@@apprenticephil649 Competition not found on the ice…is an economic force…
Send them to the Marlies like Ottawa did to Wade Redden if they don’t want to waive it.
It was the Rangers that sent Redden to the minors
No movement clauses
No changes here ! Bring it all back !!!
Amazing how first Keef took responsibility then Shanahan took responsibility then Treliving took responsibility. They can't all jump on the grenade...Unless if by doing that nobody takes any real responsibility. That was hilarious.
The fans make them so miserable and unhappy that they beg to be traded that’s what we do if they don’t waive their clauses
Can you say Larry Murphy?
I'm 67. I saw the last cup win. I know what a real team looks like - but this isn't anything like it. And so I have seen this movie before. Change the world, then hurry up and stay the same. The leafs are a joke from the top down, and we fans are the punch line. Nothing changes, and never will until the fans boycott the team, the merchandise, the broadcasters, and the sponsors. But we won't. So, why would they do anything when the formula seems to be "Do not pray for sun when the storm is drowning us in cash"? This has to be the paradigm of 'getting the clowns to pay the circus'.
The team with the league's leading goal scorer is a joke? The Toronto fanbase is the real problem. Up there with Buffalo Bills fans.
Marner needs a good last year of his term to parlay into a well paying contract in a new location. His life could be miserable here, especially if the Leafs keep him off the penalty kill and especially the power play where he gets beau coup points. Marner would have to be put in play way before free agent season in case so interested team would see what that have left after July 1 for another FA interests. Tavares, that move is much harder since it would be pure salary dump. Money would have to be retained and carrot would have to be dangled in order to move him. Marner would go easy if he was available.
Nothing else matters 🎶🔥🇨🇦
Yeah you tell em
Even if they did convince them to move, I'm pretty sure they're not going to get nearly the return for them they think they're going to get.
If you're trying to unload a guy who's not performing, then everyone else knows this and the first question they ask is "if you don't want him, why do we?" And then there are those cap hits.
Besides that, neither of them has term beyond the end of next season so any team that took them would be doing so as a rental unless they agreed to an extension first.
I agree with Hayes; I think they're stuck with both of them.
How much cap space would buyouts be?. Both of them have to go. If not voluntarily, then by force. Trade them for nothing, or buy them out.
Good thing you don’t run an nhl team
If Marner goes, so do the playoffs.
Yes. You need a coach who can make a game plan and go with the flow
Guys…we’re stuck for another season. Marner and Tavares aren’t waiving anything. Our only hope is the new coach can motivate them or get the PP going while Treliving brings on better players. The core four isn’t changing until next summer.
I would just buy out Marner and eat that last year, I don’t want that ******* toxic loser in my locker room
If Marner doesn't waive, let him be a healthy scratch. He had no trouble sitting out during the last negotiation
@@nadia0701yeah, healthy scratching an 80 pt player will turn the cart around….
@apprenticephil649 Yes, we need to encourage him to waive his mnc to get a few assets back. Dumb to let him walk for nothing.
Put them in the press box every other game?
We want Crosby!
Hard on Tavares in my opinion. Marner has way more to answer for.
Tavares is not an issue.. Reilly is NOT a number 1 defenseman. Edmonton, Vegas, Vancouver, LA, Tampa, Colorado, Rangers, Dallas etc... all have 1 or 2 defensman better than Reilly
Not a Leaf Fan here, but i think Marner has to Go! The Toronto media is hurting him..like this guy matt hayes
They made the easy moves 1st. Winning cups is brutal hard work. After a long winning season, they need to play even better & play a brutal series. Example, blocking slap shots is a dangerous, brutal way to help win the series. Every cup winning team knows it & the leafs started to block shots in 2024 against Boston. They won these couple of games!
The Leafs need to do very very little. Keep Entertaining the fans because they are owned by an Entertainment Company not a Hockey Company. In fact private internal surveys from audience studies reveal that even when the Leafs lose by a very small margin especially in the overtime, creates a more entertaining form of hockey for the fans.
All the Leafs did was add one more layer, which just wastes more and holds teams back.
Hayesy B always spitting 🔥. Awesome as usual - he gets it
Same thing coming 2025-2026. Will sell some more jerseys I guess.
A coach should have a say. Not the final decision, but a say.
I liked Keefe but at times it seemed he was Marner’s friend instead of his coach. What’s absolutely mind blowing is that Marner will be wanting MORE than his current $10.9 mil when it’s time for his next contract
Good luck getting it!😂😂
Dont kill me…I would give it one more try. I would certainly try to trade Marner. You may have to wait till Tavares come off the books. Matthews and Nylander are in their primes, so you cannot demo this team and tank for future draft picks. They pushed the Bruins to game 7 overtime and a stupid play by Sammy and Marner ended the series.
In the end, whenever Marner and Tavares end up leaving, they will end up winning a cup with whatever team they land on, and dominate the Leafs any time they play them again. That’s the typical trajectory of any player the Leafs trade.
They need to run a public marketing campaign to hear what the public has to say. The slogan can be, “If Good isn’t Good Enough, then what will be Good Enough?” They need to promote this campaign all over the city. TTC, Yonge and Dundas Square, Malls, etc Put the people’s opinion to work and listen to what we the fans suggest.
Or the public could stop attending games and buying their merchandise if they really wanted to make a statement
@@apprenticephil649 I wouldn’t boycott the games to make a statement. Positive reinforcement can bring the city together.
I could listen to Brian Hayes read off car lease contracts verbatim.
They could trade one for a quality goalie
It's absolutely what they need to do
Matthews for Demko
I like Woll and I think he's a pretty decent goaltender, but I don't think he's ready to be a starter, the Leafs definitely need to make a trade for a quality tender (if Varlamov weren't 35, I'd suggest talking to the Islanders because they need a playmaking forward to help generate offense and I don't think there's a chance in hell they'd trade Sorokin lol)... maybe Alex Nedeljkovic from Pittsburgh but they hardly need another playmaking forward, doubt they'd have any use for Marner.
If They were to trade Mitch. It should be to Pittsburgh. Crosby has 1 year left and Crosby will be 37.Crosby + 2 players for Mitch & a 4 th .As long as Sidney signs a 4 year deal. Leafs save on the cap. Pit can start a light rebuild. That’s my guess on only deal I would make. Keep Mitch and move him mid season if nothing is working. GRIT GRIT GRIT
😂 Other than Sid not going to TO and retiring a Pen, great idea, Tessier 👍
And then throw in JT for Malkin. And then throw in Rielly for Letang. And then throw in McCabe for Karlsson. Then throw in a bag of pucks for one of their goalies. Yea we got this.. CUP CUP CUP
Turning the penguins into the leafs good idea
Leafs only have about 20mil in cap space with around 12 returnees. That doesn't leave a lot of room for good signings at all. Marner and Tavares need to be traded, only way I see it happening is in a 3 team trade to eat some of the cap hits.
Neither player can be traded without consenting. I doubt that will happen. I would ask Matthews to waive his no trade and trade him to a US team.
@johnsummerhill8323 there's no way they try trade Matthews after extending him. Those NMCs are killing the Leafs.
@@bradleyhenry2411 Nothing is off the table. Matthews contract is more advantageous to other teams. Marner has been more important to the team over the last 7 years so moving Matthews wouldn't bother me. After his great season, he would bring back a really good return.
Just trade em to whoever isn’t on their list and get the best possible prospects and high end draft picks
Just healthy scratch JT and Mitch until they agree to a trade. In a place Vegas - Mitch might actually have a real chance to win a Stanley Cup. 😀 Sincerely, good luck wherever you are traded Mitch. 😀
Yeah just healthy scratch $23 million in cap salary. Good idea!😂😂😂
@@apprenticephil649 Just until they agree to trades.
@@apprenticephil649 My guess is sitting healthy in the press box - they agree to trades quickly. 😀😀
I think everyone’s gotta chill out a bit…. It took ovi over 10 years with the same core to win a cup and the whole time before they were getting demolished by the pens
If mitch and jt don’t waive threaten to scratch them for the entire season. Final contract years for both guys so it’s in their best interest to play even if it’s not with the leafs
Can't be done. Don't be stupid.
Yeah just scratch 23 mil in salary and get worse. Good idea!😂😂😂
If they won't accept a trade tell them they are now becoming part of the new "D" core.
Hayes nailed it 😁🇨🇦
Big mistake Shanahan making Dubas GM biggest mistake in the past 10 years. Waste of money and time FIRE SHANAHAN
Change will happen. Mark my word. Keep Marner in the press box, Tavares no longer gets the C
Ok dude😂😂😂😂😂
It's wild how long it took people to see dubas was destroying the team. It's wild that shanny was going to rehiring the donkey. The team is epicly screwed for the next 3 yrs and possibly decade if they don't sell some stuff and get some picks again.
Who can they sell? To whom? This team is screwed
Tavares will resign for peanuts after next year and finish out his career as a Leaf IMO. Third line centre for league min. or cut him loose! Marner will not wave IMO and the Leafs will not resign him and will lose him to free agency for nothing! Because a new contract comes with a pay cut and the no wave clause will be not included making a sign and trade very difficult. In any case they are stuck with these guys and they have pretty much no moves to change it. Which is what i think they secretly want. I think Shanahan wants to keep them together and will shrug saying there's nothing they could do!! If anyone gets moved it might be Morgan Reiley!! Or did they give him a no movement clause also? LOL P.S. No movement clauses are stupid and should be outlawed by the league!
They'll send them to the press box.
Run it back !!!!
Your a bonehead!
Sundin declined a trade before so Marner and JT can do the same? 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
Sundin was actually able to Score on Boston!
@@samdrewbies7883 🙄🙄🙄
You trash their reputation as greedy SOBS and it will be addition by subtraction the end of next season
I think Rogers overcharged me on my phone bill. And that is the only impact this company has on me. Move on folks.
$11,000,000... no state income tax... theyll both pick Florida Tampa or Dallas. Guaranteed
Just suck it up for the year, not much they can really do if both don't wanna go.
They do alot of winning during the regular season but not during the playoffs
If Marner and Tavares don’t want to their no trade clause…easy BOO them every time they touch the puck..they’ll get tired of it sooner than later
The fraud makes some great points.
Hire Sutter it’s too bad Torts has a job already that would get rid of them
TSN please fix your crappy no one can hear audio.
Shanahan has not proven he is capable of being in charge
6 Leafs videos in the last 5 hours. Wow.
Largest market largest news story. Obviously
Trade him to Ottawa for Jakob Chychrun. This may seem laughable at first, but keep in mind that Chychrun has a cap hit of 4.6 million which means the Leafs would get over 6 million in cap space as long as Ottawa takes all of Marner's contract. Money that could be used to sign a good free agent like Steven Stamkos. And Chychrun is a solid 40 point defenseman. He would be the Leafs 2nd best defenseman after Reilly.
You don't understand what a no trade contract is.
Why the hell would any team, even Ottawa take on an 11.5 million cap hit AND give up assets for Marner in an RFA year?😂😂😂😂😂
@@apprenticephil649 That is why Matthews makes a better trade piece. He is already signed. But again, he would need to agree to wave his no trade clause. The Leafs won more games with Matthews out of the lineup than they won when he was out of the lineup. Unlike Marner.
@@apprenticephil649 Chychrun is also a UFA after this season. It's just one team giving up a pending UFA for another. And Chychrun has already said he has no plans to re-sign with Ottawa
@@chrispswann6825He is not a great defenceman. The Leafs are not going to be interested in him.
They still win with Matthews out of the lineup. Ask him to waive his no trade. Marner has neen more valuable over the years .
If they sit marner all year his value will go down to 7 million for being in active
Marner is not a physical player, but so is Panarin, and so was Patrick Kane
LFG BABY 😁🇨🇦😄
They better do something other than make excuses of why the leafs brass couldn't get it done and its not the coach its this core 5 players IT MUST BE CHANGED TO MOVE FORWARDS IF THIS DOSENT CHANGE IM DONE 53 YEARS IS LONG ENOUGH TO BE A FAN OF LOOSERS.
i think you extend marner at a good deal and trade tavares
your videos are always way too quiet
Or you're deaf
Yeah your deaf
The core 4 need to pull a Tom Brady: take a pay cut for the team to get the players needed to win.
This isn’t the NFL bro. Contracts don’t get restructured.
We boo them... Every... Single... Night...
Who's taking JT unless Toronto retains cap and further depletes their depleted pool? Doesn't fix a thing.
Move the team to Quebec City and leave Tavares ana Marner in Tranna
Then you play the season out.
Trade Marner,Tavares ,Reilly.....try to get Crosby, some big physical defenceman..and use Woll as starting goalie
Still talking about the Leafs eh. There are other Canadian teams still playing you know that right lol 😂😂😂😂
Lol u summed it up no one cares you know lol 😅😅😅😅😅
@@JoshFran i mean they spent weeks talking about 70 instead of playoffs because they know theyre trash. They also know shanahan is the problem but they don't bring that up, weird hey, almost like its basically just pr for the team.
It will cost you more to move JT than it will to let him walk.
Neither are going to waive. Mitch walks and JT resigns back on as a 3rd line center
Marner for Crosby.
If they want to win a cup these 2 guys have to move on. they need a complete new start. Need some gritty plays with heart!!
Simple, play the year out and hope for the best. Tell Johnny if he wants to stay he gets 3.3 for 3 years and let Marner walk. Marner can't perform in the playoffs so he is not worth more than 5 per year. You have to cut ties with Marner, there is no logical reason at all to keep him.
Keeping keeping shanahan is a weak move !!!
Easy to hang this on certain players....cant win need new players...as I challenged others on this, feel free to show me any clip whete Marner is not dbl teamed and he does not get a shot off or pass the puck to someone who gets a gets a shot off. The only trouble with Marner is in the okayoffs the other teams know enough to smother him, the rest of the team will suffocate. Knies was good, ... suffered a similar fate. Et al. If you really watched you would have noticed it was Swayman that was the man for Boston, if you want to trade off top 5 trade them for swayman.
Don't give. What they want to be paid and sit them
They reflect on the garbage contracts that they offered them.
Ofc not, they try and force them out, so they can give equally garbage contracts to other players, and then be in the same boat in a few years from now. This is the Leafs we're talking about here.