The Lionel Messi-Robert Lewandowski Ballon d'Or debate rages on! | ESPN FC
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- Shaka Hislop and the rest of the ESPN FC crew debate the anger and bias related to PSG's Lionel Messi beating out Bayern Munich's Robert Lewandowski for the 2021 Ballon d'Or.
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Don just can never make a good point 😂 he was doing well until he said Jorginho was better than Messi 😭
Haha I laughed so hard at that as well.
Jorginho was ok. Not even a stand out in Chelsea. Kante outshined him.
@@myp0h exactly Kante got man of the match in both the semis and the final because he does the work of about 3 players, and if you don’t think Jorginho benefitted from that then I can’t help you
@@maxlawton2680 Kanye 🥴
He is deluded
Penalty from multiple angles made up most of Jorginho’s highlight reel.
I guess you are too blind to see how he connects Chelsea back line to the midfield and forwards. For you he may playing for Chelsea regularly in all the big games only to take penalties. I guess people like you only care about goals and assist.
Hop skip jump kick ball
Faxx😂
@@199019852007 it works so what’s your problem with it? Oh it’s not aesthetically pleasing to you so you don’t like it lol
@@worldisfilledb no problem it's just a quick summary of his penalty technique
Ngolo was absolutely the best player for Chelsea last season. I wonder why they say Jorginho was the best player in the Chelsea squad. He wasn't even the best player in the Italy squad. Our argument should be between Messi and Lewandowski, that's it.
Jorghino almost blew it for Italy in the pks and he choked vs Swiss in qualifying
Yeah, I don't get it? If anyone from Chelsea wouldn't it be Kante? He was a one man rocking crew. Mandy over Jorginho as well. I'm in shock Lewandowski hasn't one yet.
I think there is a fair argument for both Messi and Lewandowski to win the award and really if the award went to either player, it wouldn't have been a crime because I don't think one was supremely better than the other this year.
What I don't get is why some of the pundits here think Jorginho had a better year than Messi. Sure he won the most prestigious trophies but Shaka's right: Jorginho was a good player in two excellent teams, but not the best player in either team. Don fluffing at Shaka when he said "Kante carried Jorginho in UCL and Donarumma/Chiesa were better in Euros" is just a stupid way to react. Kante literally won the MOTM in I think quarters, semis, and final (could be wrong but he did win a few in the knockout stages of champions league). Meanwhile Donarumma was the Man of the Tournament at the Euros. Jorginho just happened to be a good player caught up in the hype after his teams won two big trophies. You need only look at the recent mistake he made against United to realize he's nowhere close to Messi's level, not now and not ever.
Totally agreed. Khedria won champions league and world cup. What should he have won it in 2014?
Also Modric winning it in 2018 made sense coz he is always instrumental for Real and he did a great job for that Croatia team.
@@deepankargarg719 No No bro 2018 Ronaldo
Lewandowski deserved
even messi istnt close to messis level right now, so ur argument about jorginho makes no sense
I think Messi admitting himself that lewa should’ve won last year is a dub in my book
Ong
Respect to him, great professional but I think he should have two of them right now
@@mukul863 Yup thats a guilty guy admitting things.
Lewa robbed in broad day light and been handed some tin pot striker award.
@@mukul863 lewa 2020, messi 2021 (shouldn't be upset about this year's one - messi was more important for his team's campaign this year). 2020 is undisputedly lewandowski's.
@@xX12Awesomeness12Xx you clearly don't watch Polish National Team's games. Last minute equalizer assist against England, equalizer against Spain, two goals against Sweden, almost 1 goal per game, over 1 g+a per game, carries PNT on his shoulders since 2014... If not for Lewandowski, PNT wouldn't qualify for Euro2020, wouldn't qualify for WC2022 play-offs. They even couldn't score against f...ing Andora in March (the game Lewy got injured before Bayern-PSG games). Lewy scored or assisted in every game he played against stronger opponents (3 goals and 1 assist in 3 games against England, Spain & Sweden) whereas Messi scored and assisted total 0 goals in 2 games against Brasil this year. So, tell me again, which of these two was more important for his team's campaign?
Agree with shaka.
The bar is always set higher for him.
In 2018 he had the most goals, had the laliga and yet was discarded by the same people who now argue for Lewa.
However, I agree Lewa deserved it.
But Messi deserves it too.
And common, Jorghinho..
He wouldn't even be in the first of 3 picks in Chelsea or Italy
Messi is Barcelona. Lewa plays on the most stacked team in a 1 team league.
Argentina won the Copa and were probably not the most complete team.
All those screaming Jorginho, I gotta tell you he just happens to be in a team that won ucl and euro. Nothing more nothing less. Even without him his teams would have won
The Jorginho statement is incorrect
@@fLightTakesFlight the jorginho statement is dead accurate. You would sooner have the likes of kante, spinnazola, indigene, chiesa, mendy, and mount ahead of him.
If Lewa deserved it for highest goal scorer then messi deserved it 2017, 2018,. Lewandoski won a polka and a league title. Copa del rey is comparable to poka, but a copa america is far above a league title, specially one that has been one by the same team for the past 9 years, and 3 straight b4 arrival of lewan. Jorginho. please. Bonucci and Verati were more influential for Italy and Kante was more influential for Chelsea. I would have put Benzema over him.
With their logic, they have to accept that Messi had the biggest handicap playing for that Barcelona squad. And accept the fact that Messi was still the best, and performed under his handicap.
So Ronaldo and juventus?
Ronaldo wasn’t even top 5 stop the nonsense
Barca being 1 of the greatest club in history? With 1 of the most expensive squad ? No
They had good players and they weren’t bankrupt last year - Barca are actually handicapped now only
@@rogerbrown240 Juventus won 6 titles in a raw before Ronaldo came in...
In 2018, Messi Had 80 G/A with Barcelona, winning almost every Game in league....... He finished 5th due to Argentina downfall
he has Carried a Country for 2 yrs and he Got his Reward for that in Terms of Copa America....
NOW He doesn't Deserve......
Because he is not lewandowski having 80 g/a is not enough for messi to win the bo he has to win the ucl in addition
Rubbish
And you know what messi had same number of goal involvements in that world cup,which was bad and tath cost him atleast a top 5 spot,as the deserved 2021 winner lewy had in the euros.Its always messi who has higher standards. I bet you no one here would have said messi should have been finished higher in 2018 and now that messi won they are like ....ooh messi dont deserve it because lewandwski has more goals and 2020 was cancelled bla bla bla...messi had even better stats than lewy in 2018 btw.
He didnt win it that year because he didnt do much in UCL, and was knocked out by Roma.....
Shaka my man ...for the first time ever you made sense...
Psg stuffed money to all French journalists to vote , its not a secret!!
This was the deal Messi signed on that Psg contract, Leonardo sitting behind Messi was not even an inch surprised or amused as he already knew the result
So shut up🤡
@@jeremybunoit380 From each country there's only one journalist so acc. To you leonardo bought only 1😂😂😂
@@jeremybunoit380that's a dumb argument. What about 2023 considering Messi was not in good terms with France and PSG.
Just look at deadwood Barca and the state they’re in without Messi. Same team and players and and not even Europa League worthy. Struggling to even stay in top 10 in La Liga.
tell me what exactly did they win last season with Messi ? quite sure the answer is NOTHING. the sad fact is Messi got the votes because he won Copa for the first time. A tournament that is basically Argentina vs Brazil..
Take take jhoginho out of Italy Chelsea already have Kante they will still win
I think these guys don't deserve to be on this platform take some people who are wise not this obsessed 🐖🐷 pigs
You could also make the same argument for Ronaldo looking at where Juventus are right now.
That’s a stupid logic to run with.
Messi being the best player in his team doesn’t automatically make him the best player in the world.
Heck he wasn’t even the best player in Spain last season, Benzema was!
@@logirex they did win the copa del rey right?
@@jojo_akay Take karim benzema out of Real madrid last season, we might never finish in the top 4
Take lewandowski out of poland, they might not play an intl competition
He didnt play in quarters of ucl, bayern got knocked out
Take CR7 out of juventus, now we are seeing them getting beaten everywhere.
Stop this nonsense. Messi won it fine, i thought lewa deserved it more thats it
It's an irony how the whole of messis career he was attacked for not winning an international trophy he's won it now then wining an international trophy doesn't count anymore this is a lesson God lifts the humble and resist the proud Messi on the he stand Even said lewa deserves this what an awesome humility .what happened here is called grace
They changed the Copa America from 4 to 2 years so Messi could win it!!!! The game is rigged next year is gonna Win it again! Balon dor has no value is the last 10 years
Oh, really? Everything has always been in the favor of Messi. Before Messi time, if you win the world cup, you get the world best, but that rule was changed two times because of Messi. Before if you win the championship league, you get the world best, was also change to favor Messi again. And now they now remember that if you win Copa America, you get the world best, just to Favor Messi again. Messi has a high connection with Fifa. It's all political now
Jorginho also won it
Man used God to argue his point.
@@stevenwilliams3015 not fifa this is France football stop hating Lewandowski deserved last year unfortunately it wasn't given simple.
Messi’s a victim of his own other-worldly standards, as usual.
Dude whatever it maybe the fact is there were other players who were better than him the last two years!
It's exactly the opposite that happened. They gave it to him because he's Messi. If any other player had won a Copa and a domestic cup, they wouldn't be anywhere near the conversation. Imagine Suarez winning the Copa del Rey with Atletico and Copa America, while finishing 3rd in La Liga. You think he would have won it? No.
Surely, it's not good enough from him if he plays at the same level as the other players.
@@Akpar11 maybe the last year but definitely not last 2yrs ...u probably only watched highlights
@@johnorange1970 dont imagine, suarez won la liga last season but its messi who won la liga player of the season and la liga best foward. messi also end up as the player with the most motm award. i dont need to mention messi award with argentina you know it already.
Messi has really been taken for granted and it’s really sad. He’s a victim of his own success
Nahh brah be logical lewindoski deserves it 2 times over
@@TheEphraimUchiha for bundesliga and supercup?
@@draca8100 2018 y'all were crying over trophies being considered too much. Can't reverse it
@@TheEphraimUchiha What you smoking Lewandoski may have deserved the the 2020 but not this time
He is!
Even though Messi has retired, he will still get the Ballon d'Or.
It's called greatness. 🐐
@@samisomi498 its called being biased!
Yeah cause it's clear who the goat is. Please cry some more tho. I love it. The Goat keeps tap dancing on y'all heads.
Cry more, we messi fans loving it 😂
@@invisibleJK we too hahahaha
Love Shaka's last little jab with Modric as an example..🤣
Yeah, that was a proper mic drop
Stupid example. Croatia is much stronger than Poland. Rakitic, modric, perisic, brozovic, kramaric. Poland on the other hand is Lewa and the Juventus goalkeeper. The only reason modric even won It is because croatia got very lucky at draw. Modric did not even deserve the prize. Being the best of the group stage and maybe the 4th most important of Croatia after that. Lewa would have to do It all alone for Poland.
@@FredEPLk At the beginning of the world cup...No one would've predicted Croatia to be in the final. That's the point.
@@ppmerchant_ they did it because they got lucky. It's like one in a million chance. For Poland would be much harder because they have much less talent around Lewandowisk.
@@FredEPLk WAIT you said Croatia got lucky right so what would stop Poland to be lucky as well
Shaka seems to be very sensible especially his point about Jorginho. Jorginho was Italy’s 3rd or 4tg best player and in Chelsea, Kante and Mendy were more valuable to that team’s UCL success and Also if you actually watch the game, Lewa is not a person I would pay to go and watch doesn’t make spectacular plays but he is a great great goal scorer.
On another ESPC FC vid Dan makes a good point -- Chelsea and Italy probably could have won the UCL and Euro's without Jorginho. It would have been harder for them, but their teams are legit and he was just a cog in the wheel. Same with Lewa and Bayern. Messi, on the other hand, is the only reason Barca were competitive, won la Copa del Rey, and that ARG won the Copa Am. He's so much more important to these teams, carries so much more pressure and responsibility on his shoulders, and creates magic untouchable by any other footballer in order to get the results his teams need.
Take take jhoginho out of Italy Chelsea already have Kante they will still win
I think these guys don't deserve to be on this platform take some people who are wise not this obsessed 🐖🐷 pigs
@@chbrosz plz shut up and go watch football. Man said lewandowski is just a cog in the wheel. Bayern were unstoppable before he got injured last year.He gets injured Bayern lose to psg.
You started well, but end it with that Lew jab 🤦🏾♂️
Jorginho made team of the tournament for the euros and UCL. So basically he’s been a top 3 midfielder in both tournaments. How in the world do you say he’s the 3rd or 4th best especially when Kante is ALWAYS injured🤣🤣. Lewandowski is someone you pay money to watch don’t say he’s just a goal scorer because that already tells me you really don’t watch him
I was gonna say that I, for once, agree with Shaka, but he had to go on about how being from a smaller football nation isn't a disadvantage 😂. If one thing is true in football, it's that we can't all agree on anything lol.
He’s a black man aswell from Trinidad and Tobago aswell but he doesn’t get it? Clueless
Yet that same person mentioned a player who from Croatia won the balon dor. We can go further back and find other examples.
Exactly..but Shaka answered logically to Jan on that, Modric won the Ballon d'or in 2018 due to him being central in making Croatia reach the finals of the world cup and also in Real Madrid's success. So Jan is being neurotic in his analogy, he needs to get over his emotions and not be biased here because Shaka is the one guy who has always been a critic of Messi even when others haven't.
George Weah won it. It was also thoroughly deserved.
And modric is from croatia and shevchenko is from where?
And george weah is african...
In this standard modric would have been in the 6th position in the year he won it
Yea but that's because Ronaldo was supposed to win that year. That's how it works.
no, becasue he played at madrid, and the club and liga u play in can make up for the handicap of ur nation. lewandowski at madrid with worse stats but the same sucess would probably have better chances than at bayern.
@@e.tressag4143 I'm not saying your last arguement is wrong. But Modric did lead Croatia to the World Cup final, yet Poland didn't do much in Europe Cup.
@@jerryzheng7114 i agree, but croatia also was much more stacked than poland ever was in 2018, not to say that modric wasnt amazing that year and absolutely carried them at times, as he did madrid but croatia is a bigger footballing nation than poland. anyway, all of that is anectodatal to the fact that there are absolute exposure biases in football.
@@union_sport Messi deserved in 2018 as per their standard…not cr7 😂🤷🏻♂️
How does Don stress the importance of the eye test in the same sentence that he claims Jorginho had a better 2021 than Messi? It doesn’t seem like he’s joking either
That's called being a deluded and biased clown lol.
Don does that a lot. When Juls reported that Messi was injured last time so he got subbed off by Poch, he got laughed at by Don for making excuses. Turns out Messi was actually injured afterall
He seems the least sensible of all the chaps in the vid, tbh. The german dude is biased to his country, but at least he makes cogent points
🤣
It sounds as if all the "pundits" forgot messi won the pichichi for last season in Spain. Not only that, he had the most goals at copa america, most assists and was the player of the tournament. And guess what? Argentina won. Of course, Lewa had a shout but giving it to Messi is not wrong by any standard. He deserved to win.
edit: Shaka was literally on fire there haha
Messi had 4 goals in Copa🤣
1 vs Chile... 1 vs Ecuador... 2 vs Bolivia
Yeah... That's the criteria to win Ballon d'Or
Cr7 had goals against France(2) Germany(1) and Hungary(2)
2 of the 3 teams I mentioned have fucked Argentina and Messi in the last 2 WC
Lewa was the top scorer in Bundesliga
Cr7 had top scorer in SerieA
So cry somewhere else
@@prateekshome Better stick with cricket! Football team changes every year. Argentina won because of Messi, his goals and assists. Lewa playing in farmers league and Cristiano flop all season. Both of them failed in Euros. I can continue but no point arguing with you. You are the one crying so move on or cry somewhere else!
They forget messi played half barca games, and was top score...
When Messi left Barca lost to everyone, they praise Ronaldo for carrying United under Ole despite being a 1 billion euros squad while they stay quiet when Messi carries Koeman with a 1 billion debt squad lol
Lewandowski won the european golden boot
Lewa and Messi arguments okay
But Jorginho 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Kante was overall better for Chelsea than Jorginho
i'm saying
Ridiculous stuff
Messi winning copa is a argument but Jorginho winning champion league and euro is not 😂😂
@@nelsonoliveira5941 messi being the standout player for both club and country is why he has a real argument. Jorginho isn’t the best player for any team he plays for
just because they couldn't have the ceremony last year they still should have awarded it to Lewandowski
But it wouldn’t be fair to discredit whoever did fantastic this year JUST to accommodate someone that should’ve won last year
@@AngeKerr let’s be fair lewandowski carried on his form from last year
@@AngeKerr Judging on the last 12 months, Lewandowski was better than Messi, simply because the impact he had on the team was greater.
@@AngeKerr 74 goal involvements in 54 games
@@mirek1178 yeah and I ain’t saying that he didn’t. Lewa is a consistent player and has been doing fantastic. Buh imo Messi deserved the ballon d’or because of his consistent and impactful performance for club and country espically in the copa America. He was the named the best player in the entire competition. And won the copa America so..
He said it correctly: We just got used to seeing Messi doing great stuff and feels that they are normal...
The performance Messi put in Copa is enough to cement any other players legacy in the podium of greatness... They are talking about Lewandowski's achievements of breaking Gerd Muller's record but they are not saying that Messi broke Pele's record of being the highest scorer in South American football history.... A history that includes, Pele, Maradona, Garrincha, De Stefano, Zico, Socrates, Revelinho, Jererjinho, Didi, Passarella, Kempes, Batistuta, Ronaldo (R9), Romario, Rivaldo, Ronaldinho, Crespo, Riquelme, Aguero, Forlan, Suarez and many many more....But just because he's Messi we are just ignoring it because it seems normal... He is, was and always will be the greatest player ever to play football... GOAT...🐐🐐🐐♥️♥️♥️
Who be this 🙄
Un gran abrazo por Dipanjan Munshi!!!!!!!
@@bcpac gracias...♥️🙏🏻 🥘
@Nabin Gurung 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
He broke south America scoring recording right n it's not big deal but some broke the WORLD SCORING record which include everyone in ur list plus so much more but how much do u talk about that?
Shaka Hislop is spot on, Jorginho was a top player for Chelsea and Italy in winning major trophies but he was not the most influential player. Kante was the standout player for Chelsea and Chiesa, Donnarumma, Chiellini were the standouts for Italy. Jorghino barely scored any goals and the only ones he does score are penalties and he provides very few assists. The only one that could have an argument for winning the Ballon D'or is Lewandowski who has been sensational for many years.
I'm not sure why there is so much discontent with Messi winning it when he scored 41 goals, had 17 assists, won the Copa America, won the Copa Del Rey and was top scorer, top assister and tournament MVP at the Copa. Yet people still have the nerve to say what has he done! ridiculous.
He really isn't. He has a hard time grasping the fact that players from weaker footballing countries or non-forwards are at a disadvantage. Salah is currently the best player in the world and he could win both the PL and UCL. They won't give him the Ballon D'or. Why? Egypt will do nothing at the World Cup, so they will give it to Messi again if he manages to reach another final with Argentina. He kept questioning Lewandowski and Poland. You could place both Messi and Ronaldo in that Polish team and they wouldn't accomplish anything.
@@johnorange1970 was croatia a great team before Luka modric won fhe ballon dor?
@@akashnambiar1185Croaia has always been a footballing country with players in top teams across the world. They're not Brazil or France, but they always had a team. Trying to compare it to Poland is downright idiotic.
@@johnorange1970 were u expecting croatia to reach finals?... I guess not... So atleast from a team of Poland which drew againts Spain and lost againt Slovakia... So u saying Poland is not as good as Slovakia?...there are still great playerd in Poland.. Scezeny, lewandowski..zelienski
.iz less than Slovakia.. so pls btch its about giving a fight
@@akashnambiar1185 poda Malayaleee Nayendeeeemoneeeeee
I really laugh when they say Jorginho has been better than Messi in 2021
"Lewandowski deserved it, ballondor is corrupted "
-ronaldo fans 2021 -
Ronaldo fans crying themselves to sleep tonight
Exactly 🤣
also copa america is suddenly mickey mouse tournament and farmers cup.
@@DLo776 Sneijder won treble with inter, xavi and iniesta won euro and world cup, and van dijk deserved to won balon d'or with Liverpool, And of course lewangoalski but FIFA/FRANCE GAVE IT TO Messi. Smash.
It's not only about goals and assists bro. If a striker scores 10 goals in 1 match and didn't scores the next 2 matches, get 3 points in 3 matches vs a striker who scores 1 goals every matches in 3 matches that lead his team to get 9 points in 3 matches, who is better?
The one who scores 3 goals and get 9 points.
Play consistenly that lead a team to won thropies is what determines a player deserves to win balon d'or.
Every player in every position can win it. Xavi, iniesta, sneijder, van dijk and maybe Kante deserved to won balon d'or based on their solid performance that consistenly lead their team to won thropies.
Consistency, consistency, and consistency. That's matter.
FIFA Lost its credibility. They don't understand about fair assessment to every player based on their role/position in a team. Now it's only about favoritism.
Kante got 5 motms in the latter stages of the champions league from quarter finals to finals and don really believes jorginho was better than him? 😂😂😂
Don's a moron. Jorginho wouldn't even rank in our top five players, Mount, Mendy, Rudiger, Kante and Reece James were all better than him in our Champions League run. Jorginho's crept into the discussion because of his teams success. Don needs shoeing actually, and he should be told to go and back up his comments on Jorginho, saying he's been better than Messi is a sackable offence.
Messi wins because nobody else was obvious, so he collects from being in everybody's top 5. Fair enough. Shaka has a great point though: When Argentina wins, it's 99% Messi. When Italy wins, it's Chiesa. Or whom ever.
But Argentina against whom? Soy Latino, es ridiculo compara el nivel entre continentes, no hay punto de comparación
@@danielsalas1064 brazil
@@Mook05 demaria if against brazil
I think Poland came last in their league grp even Slovakia was better
Is Emi Martinez a joke to you?
Doesn't matter what do u think?!!
True fact ,,2021 Ballond'or winner is Messi❤️
Take take jhoginho out of Italy Chelsea already have Kante they will still win
I think these guys don't deserve to be on this platform take some people who are wise not this obsessed 🐖🐷 pigs
Games played 49 ❌
Goals 40 ❌
Assists 16 ✅
Shots on target 103 ✅
Big chances missed 12 ✅
Accurate passes 2525 ✅
Dribbles completed 224 ✅
Chances created 118 ✅
Big chances created 26 ✅
Tackles 31 ✅
Recoveries 107 ✅
Points won by goals 22 ✅
Points won by G/A 39 ✅
Match winning goals 9 ✅
Match winning G/A 15 ✅
Man of the match 27 ✅
Messi's stats compared to Lewa and Benz, Leo has more combined G/A than them.
AAAAND STILLLLL THE BEST AND MOST INFLUENTIAL INDIVIDUAL PLAYER IN THE WOOOOORLD.
Where were these stats when Modric won it
@@humphreyobanor866 only reason Modric won it was because Ronaldo left real Madrid, florentino took it off him.
How many world titles
Stupidest comparaison ever. They don't have the same fonction and will never. So why include assist seperately!??
@@Liam-jy7yi by commenting this, you’ve pretty much displayed your lack of football knowledge. Actually you know what…? Goals only matter in football. What’s the need of midfielders, defenders or even keepers. I mean only poachers deserve the ballon d’or since they score the most goals right? No need to bring other important stats such as assists, successful dribbles or chances created etc. If you do, it’s the equivalent of the bullshit you just mentioned.
Imagine Messi playing a dream season, with the most stunning goals, assist, MoTm, free kicks, trophies etc. winning the La Liga and the Copa America, and then some say: No, it's unfair. We'd rather give it to Lewa, because he didn't get it last season.
Messi didnt win La liga
Yes and in 2019 also he won without winning la liga
These guys live in their own fantasy world. Let them enjoy it.
@@aks8285 Barca actually won la logs in 2019 maybe a little research will help b4 saying something that’s not factually correct.
Lewa won more and scored more soooo your argument loses
Shaka was on point with everything he said. For me Messi deserves the Ballon D'or but bias will be in anything that involves voting. Let's move on.
There's zero reason for him deserving it.
He really was on point on everything.
A player playing for a lesser national team like Lewa was always on disadvantage compared to messi who plays for Argentina.
@@epa2349 disagree.... Shaka made a great point by brining up Modric and what he did in 2018 with Croatia. Lewa didn't even make it out of the group stage with likes of Sweden going through. I'd call that a disappointment on lewas end
@@epa2349
If you watched the games you would know that Lewandowski scored against Spain/Sweden while Messi did nothing in the semis/final and scored most of his goals against Bolivia but who watches games anyway not journalists.
@@KingKuba1313 seems to me like you didn't watch the games either considering that Messi had the assist to lautaro in the semi final....
My problem with Lewa and CR 7 is that they don't have highlights; they rely on goals. They give nothing beside that whereas Messi gives you something to watch (esp. when he was at Barqa).Even if he hasn't scored but you still have something to watch; he really makes football
nice.
Lewa and CR7 are strikers. They are suppose to score goals. That is what they are judged by. So if they don't score goals people call them trash.
@@pennation4234 So why should Messi be judged by goals then, he's not a striker. He's a forward, but not a number 9
@@samisomi498 Messi 0 Goals 0 assists vs Real Madrid(since 2018)
Messi 0 goals 0 assists vs Atletico season 20/21, still he won Ballon D'Or.
@@samisomi498 it’s a point of view that is too difficult to understand for casual fans
football have changed as we all know now all you got to do to win a balon is be a "passing merchant". goals no longer are the creme of the game. don't forget modric won it in 2018 over ronaldo because he reached the WC final too. 🤔🤔... messi won it twice of iniesta and xavi and they won the WC and the Euros and back then the reason was the goals now the reason is he a better "passing merchant 🤔" and won that washed out competition coppa America or whatever it is called...really he better than Iniesta and xavi the Kings of TAKI TAKA at passing 🤦♂️🤦♂️ !!? corruption changes the narrative to suit their agenda of giving it to their "friends".... people need to start looking at his award for the value it actually carries in Europe this days..... BALON DE MERDE!
They really screwed up by not having a virtual award show in 2020 for Lewa to win it or give the 2020 to him now and people would be less outraged both are savages of players but I never held this award in high regard esp with journalists voting lol
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Psg stuffed money to all French journalists to vote , its not a secret!!
This was the deal Messi signed on that Psg contract, Leonardo sitting behind Messi was not even an inch surprised or amused as he already knew the result
Who would you have do the voting then? The rabbid fanboys? Yeah that wouldn’t work either
@@maximusprime2000 Ex players and coaches...Like it is done in the FIFA best player award...
Loved the argument !!!! At End of the day, this is all, just a huge bone for all us football fans to argue and have fun.. So we should remember not to disrespect any player... I really felt Messi deserved it if u see from the last season end to the current season now... Messi has played brilliantly with all the politics that was going around him ..if u wanna see the difference that Messi made just see the Barca matches in this year's LaLiga season beginning without Messi... Definitely, Messi didn't play the best season of his life but his performance was nothing less than best for the last year... I feel a lot of people are taking Messi for granted because of his consistency. (Ofc.. I am Barca Messi fan)
His ballon d'or was "controversy" but it was deserving
Lewandowisk was better. More goals and assists. More titles. The only reason Bayern was not in the final of champions league is because of his injury and absence against PSG. So yes. Second place for Messi would be fair
@@FredEPLk 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Well, Barca were winning the La Liga when Valverde was there, and totally collapsed when he left. Maybe Valverde should have won the Ballon d’Or? I.e. your logic is stupid and flawed.
@@FredEPLk so if goal contributions messi and lewa are almost same infact messi leads lewa by 2 Plus messi has 3x times more key passes and important chances created.. also lewa didn't win anything with international (i understand he from Poland but everything counts)
Messi was top scorer and assister, most man of the matches. Finally Shaka making sense. Messi deserved it.
For a tournament that has been hosted 4 times in 6 years just so he wins it before he retires
@@DejiNova when he wins still a problem and when he doesnt it still a problem
@@DejiNova They conducted a tournament in 2015,16,19 and 21 r8?
In 15,it was supposed to happen any way. In 16,it was the 100th anniversary of Copa America. 19 again,it was to happen as it last originally occurred in 2015. In 21,as they wanted both the Euro and Copa to happen simultaneously,they conducted one. There goes ur argument that they conducted it frequently to favour Messi.
@@Anonymous-yy2dm doesn’t change the fact that it’s a watered down tournament with only two good teams.
@@yrureadingthisname hey check the fifa rankings of June 2021 and see how many south american teams in top 30 or top 20. You will get the answer.
So if jorgihno deserves ballon dor ahead of messi ....2018 varane win champion league and world cup and he finish 8 🤷♂️
There is no consistency. They change the criteria every year to give it to Messi. One year its all about UCL, one year its all about Copa, one year its all about La liga. Next years its all gonna be about farmers ligue 1.
So didn't Messi have a handicap when was playing for that poor barca these arguments are ridiculous
Of course but these guys are in their feelings
All barcelona players won the award
Everybody knows the ballon dor is Real Madrid and Barcelona bias
Poor Barca, yet still finished in the top 4. Maybe try someone like Eibar.
Just because Barca could not figure out how to play whilst having one of the most expensive squads in the world does not mean the rest of the contenders should be punished for their teams being good.
They need to give lewandaski his ballon dor for 2020 end of story no need to say Messi doesn’t deserve it because he does!
Pretty much this, there was no real justification for not awarding it (unless you buy into the conspiracy that they knew he'd win in a landslide and cancelled it because it wouldn't be a latin/La Liga star winning).
If Ballon D'or wasn't rigged and weighed more towards individual performances.
2008- Cristiano Ronaldo
2009- Lionel Messi
2010- Iniesta or Sneijder
2011- Lionel Messi
2012- Lionel Messi
2013- Cristiano Ronaldo
2014- Cristiano Ronaldo
2015- Lionel Messi
2016- Luis Suárez
2017- Lionel Messi
2018- Muhammad Salah
2019- Lionel Messi
2020- Robert Lewandowski
2021- Lionel Messi
And there is no hate or disrespect to any player, but this is what it would've looked like if it was more of an individual award based on aspects like scoring, playmaking, passing, dribbling and other abilities of a player and impact on their teams and not based on just team trophies.
You forget 2013 robbery deserved and won everything while cr7 doesn't win single trophy but score 60 goals
@@abdirahmanali297 man, although I'm not a fan of Cristiano, but 2013 can't say Cristiano wasn't deserving that year, Ribery was insane that year and deserving too, but looking at individual performances, Cristiano was better.
I would have also given 2010 to Messi because he also individually insane
@@yesnyamusa5543 I know man, but at the same time, Iniesta and Sneijder were insane that year too. I would say both in 2010 and 2013, the winners were deserving, but the nominees were deserving too.
Messi had the most goals in 2016, 2017, 2018
2018 he had the most goals & assists in Europe and he finished 5th
2021 Messi won Copa America along with being the only player in history to win a Major Tournament with top goals top assists. We are now seeing the aftermath of what Barcelona are like without Messi, their worst start to a season since 2003.
A lot of pundits hate Messi, sick of his standards and they use his standards against him…. It’s nothing new happens every year.
Stevie was just hilarious backing Jorginho
God bless you
Then that means lewandowski deserves it if you wanna reverse it😂
A major tournament with the likes of chile? Are you kidding me?
Ronaldo will had gotten most assists in history and most goals in universe in that competition. Such facepalm comments. So many jokes around here. Its the only this Messi achieved last season. For 2 seasons with barcelona he only got Copa del rey... For 2 Fricking seasons. ONLY COPA DEL REY IN SPAIN.
That makes him better than Ronaldo and Lewandowski? 😂😂🤣😂
@@1petrutu Copa American is pretty much a 2 team race and it took him 6 tries to win 1. They literally held it 4 times in 5 years so he can stop choking and just win finally. Embarrassing.
@@1petrutu Tell me again why Maradona never won the Copa America if it’s so easy?
What if Messi didn't win and a different player won the ballon'dr then what will you guys say in this case . Win or lost there will always be arguments , haters will always be popping up from every corner
Take take jhoginho out of Italy Chelsea already have Kante they will still win
I think these guys don't deserve to be on this platform take some people who are wise not this obsessed 🐖🐷 pigs
@@jckapindatheushers5199 or never be invited by UEFA or FIFA.
I'm sooooo in support of Shaka's clear head today.
On point
Shaka dismantled the whole argument with one statement
“Where is luka modric from? Did he win the ballon Dior?”
I completely agree with Shaka's take on Jorginho, that he was exceptionally good with both club and country but still not as good as Donaruma and Chiesa in Italy, or Kante at Chelsea.
The debate about Lewandowski's nationality is a really interesting one, in my opinion. Messi plays for a country that is currently the second best in Conmebol with or without him, while Lewy's country is not even in the top 10 in Europe. I believe that if you argue, "Messi deserves the Ballon d'Or because he accomplished so much with his country." That's fine logic. But if you extend it to "Messi deserves the Ballon d'Or because he accomplished more with his country than Lewandowski," that's where you'd be a bit disingenuous to ignore the differences between Argentina's level, and Poland's.
I do think Messi is being taken for granted a bit. I also think Lewy deserved the Balon d'Or. Still I'm happy for Messi. I'm glad he will be remembered as one of the greatest football players ever.
nah, if you look at argentina stat without messi you would be suprise how bad they actually are without messi. the comparison about argentina vs poland is like barca vs bayern. bayern is much superior team compare to barca and argentina is much superior team compare to poland
I agree with your points. You can definitely use the same logic when comparing Barcelona and Bayern Munich. My issue is that Lewy and Poland massively underperformed in the Euros and their group was not that difficult. Remember we have to have context. During the group stage, Lewy was underwhelming vs Serbia, I believe, which was the first game. A game which was winnable for them. Then they faced Spain. Versus Spain, Busquests did not play and Spain were looking questionable until his return and they started flying. Sure he scored a goal but scoring a goal does not indicate you played a great game. Versus Sweden, which was his best game, he scored twice, however, he did miss a golden chance for a hat-trick, and in the end Sweden scores in the end to win the game 3-2. THe fact that they came LAST in their group for a tournament that is allowing BEST THIRD has to go against him. Again, I in no way expect Poland to make a Finals, but come on, at least get out the group. That alone in my eyes would have made his argument stronger.
Argentina would not have even represented 2018 WC had messi permanently retired in 2016. Current Argentina team is decent and less dependent on messi but he carried Argentina for a while and Barcelona from 2019 to 2021. Lewandowski though is outstanding doesn't have the pressure of carrying the club as he has a very good supportive team. Still wouldn't have minded if lewa won for the 2020 robbery.
That is how it works. Even you know there are clubs in Asia, North America , South Americal and other part of the world play football as well. They were never mentioned in Fifa best or other big awards why. This is how it works? don't put bs agruement.
@@stormspirit7171 Man, without Lewandowski Poland was losing even to Hungary xd. Lewandowski already scored 5% of all goals Poland has ever scored. The thing is Argentina have players like Di Maria, Dybala, Romero, Martinez... Argentina have better player on each position except CF.
🤣 Shaka's closing point was epic 🤣🤣
Yeah
💯💯That was the most epic mic drop moment I've ever heard in a football debate🤣🤣
You and Shaka are both amazing with bogus logics 🤣🤣🤣
George Wear won It with Liberia, you can come from smaller nations and win it. Shaka is right, Jorginho was part of the teams that did well but he did not stand out.
That should tell you Voting Logic was more honest then than it is right now
@@jojo_akay Well that goes against Jan's ludicrous argument. Modric also won it playing for Croatia. To turn around and say that Lewandowski didn't win it because he is from a smaller nation is asinine.
Exactly! I would love for them to show when everyone was going crazy over jorginho for the last 12 months!
@@jojo_akay we are used to complaining, whoever win it they always say he did not deserve. They once said Ribery, Argen Robben, Iniesta we’re robbed. they said Modric did not deserve it. Voting is not done by machine and it’s not 2 or 3 people. Those people don’t go to a conference but vote individually, how do they manipulate the outcome? Let’s celebrate whoever win and move on because it’s all based on opinion. Some really believe the Benzema should have won it so how do we reconcile that.
Don is delusional to even bring Jorginho into it. I’m a huge Chelsea fan and I watched every Chelsea game and every Italy game at the euros. He wasn’t the best player in either team. He’s good but he shouldn’t even be in this argument don is humiliating himself
Shaka Hislop was totally on point 💯 don couldn’t say nothing no more! 😂
While this might be so, I disagree with him when he said He does not see any DISADVANTAGE from the COUNTRY a player comes from and may I add THE LEAGUE the player PLAYS IN and POSITION. Why this so called TOP PRESTIGIOUS FOOTBALL AWARD was not given to Virgil Van Dijk as a DEFENDER when he had standout season for CLUB and COUNTRY ? What are the top awards. UEFA, FIFA and BALLON d or. VVD was awarded UEFA PLAYER OF THE YEAR. But , the award for BEST male player from FIFA and the Ballon d or went to MESSI. As far as I am concerned and in my view, THAT IS DISADVANTAGE. THAT YEAR MESSI DID NOT DESERVE THOSE 2 AWARDS. How did UEFA make the decision to give the award that year to VVD. Finally , not giving out the award last year because of the PANDEMIC ? When FIFA did theirs ? IN THE MIDST OF THE PANDEMIC , well it appears the OWNERS and ORGANIZERS of this BALLON award knew MESSI could not get it. It is a FRENCH AWARD given to player WHO plays in FRANCE in the FRENCH League. ADVANTAGE , BIAS OR DISADVANTAGE , by the way , SHAKA may try to hide it , but he comes across like a MESSI fan. Watch his Facial EXPRESSION .
I was keeping an eye on which players were likely to win the ballon d'Or this year, from different websites and messi was always at the top. Why are people arguing about this, as if it was some kind of surprise. All this talk about gerard mullers record, messi scored more than 40 goals is so many laliga seasons, including the season he lost the ballon d'or to modric
Lewan had 41 in 28 games Messi had 50 in 38 I’m pretty sure, ik messi had a bunch of assists too but he’s never had a goal scoring season based on goals per game that was better than lewa this year
@@HitByAPedoVan Messi also had a season where he scored 46 goals in just 32 games.
Have to be honest this time,Shaka dominate on this one
Never seen Shaka that serious in the show ,and absolutely agree with what he says
Didn't even bother to press play on this video. It's currently on pause as I type.
I'm just here to say Happy Birthday to Barcelona , a 122 years of magic , and on this very night we Dominated the Ballon d'Or ceremony. What a night for us Culers. We should be proud because even on one of the worst stages of the history of the club, if not the worst, we still manage to rack up trophies and have these moments of joy. Although Messi is a PSG player...pffft... We all know he's Barcelona through and through. So Congratulations to Messi, Pedri & Alexia for making us Culers proud and making Barcelona proud!!!
Visca el BARCA!!! ❤️💙
Messi has set his bar soo high that these journalists expect 80g/a an year from him now at this age 34years
The ballon dor works in this way : 1)collective result
2)Impact on your team winning titles
3)individual performances
Major trophies , impact on the team. matter a lot in ranking of ballon d'or.
(Same things happened in 2016,2018)
I feel bad for lewangoalski 😭💔
I love the way shaka ended this by asking where luka modric hails from🤣🤣🤣
Shaka’s closing statement…10/10
Shaka sooooo on point.......Till the time France lost the Euros everyone was talking about Kante for the prize and jorginho was nowhere in the conversation...and then when France were out of euros all of a sudden Jorginho becomes the favourite....I don't get why we r even talking about jorginho, as Shaka said "he wasn't stand out player".
Lets say kante was a better pick and Jorginho the second best. The performances in the euros made him surpass kante.
@@FredEPLk No man .... He had a good season yes but with the team... Individually he was just above average. Plus what I am saying is that by the end of champions league he wasn't the favourite, he wasn't even in the top 5-10... But all of a sudden he becomes favourite... Same goes for Benzema dude.. Although Benzema had been very consistent throughout the years but this year getting top 5 was not at all deserved
"Where is Luka Modric from? Didn't he win the Ballon D'or once?", that last comment by Shaka
The journalists who couldn’t agree on a particular player let the ones who agreed on Messi to ultimately go on to win the balon d or
😀😭
Shaka is absolutely right!!! Jorginho was not the key [player in both the Italy and the Chelsea teams....there were players who were more impactful than him
Remember DiMaria scored the goal to win Copa America. So literally, I can argue that Messi didn't help Argentina to win Copa. Remember he missed a seater in that final.
Winning copa America with Argentina means nothing individually
And winning Bayernliga means nothing either
But wining it while being top goals scorer, top assister and best player of the tournament over all is enough. Thank you
🤣 penaldians
@@DLo776 better than uber league, where messi does nothing
You're wrong🤪🤪🤪
I'm sorry, did anyone notice Lewadnowski is the all time best scorer for Polish national team with 74 goals (in 128 games) ahead of Lubanski 48 (75) , Lato (45/100) and Deyna 41 (97)? Even for such an underdog side these numbers should speak for themselves. Imagine where he'd could be with the numbers if he was in the "always winning countries club" drop-the-mic.... lights off
Considering the level of teams he faces at times in Europe, that’s a big nope for me. Just honestly out of curiosity, I would like to see against which teams those goals came from. Still not a strong enough point sorry.
Top Goal scorer in South America
@@navis462 yes, primera division must be the best clubs of the best I guess. just LOL. let me tell you something: games/goals against best clubs in UCL: Chelsea (2/3), Juventus (2/1), Tottenham (1/2), Ajax (4/5), Arsenal (8/4), Benfica (4/3), Lazio (2/2), Ol. Marseile (4/3) , PSV (2/3) , Porto (2/2), Real Madrid (8/6)... Now, Bundeslinga? Dortmund (24/24) Wolfsburg (24/24) Schalke (24/21), Werder (24/20) what you are not getting?
@@maksiu11 Emotional response that still doesn’t carry that much weight. Who mentioned primera división, like the primera división of Ecuador? And it looks like those goals have come over the past decade. Those teams at different moments in time were not even that great and you are still referencing Bundesliga teams which again statically are not that great. It’s not a travesty lewandoski did not win this year because there is a man called Lionel msssi who has better stats all across the board except goals. By the way, Messi’s goals have more weight considering he won an international trophy which Not even the great Maradona was able to do with Argentina. Lewandoski just won the Bundesliga, which Bayern have monopolized.
@@navis462 than why don't you pick the words right. By questioning the teams he scored against at times it's not clear what you mean. Lewandowski's impact on the teams is far higher overall and you won't see it numbers alone.. and accusing anyone for playing for a club which actually win trophies and at the same time praising a player who won a trophy for the first time requires a true mental acrobatics.
My brothers :
We should all remember that The Ballon d’or is an election an “award show “ not a competition. It has no value in the sporting sense. The player who received the most ballon d’or’s said he would trade all of them for a World Cup if he could.(Footballs most prestigious trophy)
I don’t think maradona and xavi felt bad in retirement that they didn’t receive one.
Cap ballondors is very important
That’s true no value whatsoever they can keep giving it to Messi all when he’s retired….smh
Value of ballon dor is different for different players. Messi has always said individual awards are not a priority. And then there are also players who say they want the ballon dor and that they work hard for it
Yeah its like fame , temporary
Just saying lewandowski did score 3 goals in 3 games in the Euro that’s pretty good
and lost to slovakia..and was the bottom team in their group?
@@ebbystein7577 you can't have 11 Lewandowskis now can you?
@@adithyadanaj9768 so what should france football do about that? should they scratch international performance and team achievements just becos lewa is handicapped ? llol
Robert Lewandovski scored the most goals and won 3 collective trophies, Jorginho won the most trophies and the biggest ones in Europe, UCL and EURO. Benzema played the most enjoyable football during the year, won Uefa Nations League, reached UCL semis and contributed in 50 goals.
But somehow, Messi won the Ballon d'Or. Nowdays, a Copa America wins you the prize. A Copa America held four times in six years seems to be more important than UCL, EUROs. Playing against Bolivia, Ecuador, Paraguay and Venezuela seems to be more difficult than playing against Bayern, Real, City, PSG, Atletico, Chelsea or against Italy, Spain, Germany, France, Belgium, etc.
The worst part was inventing a prize such as "Best striker of the year" as a consolation for Lewandovski, after scoring 111 goals and winning like 7-8 trophies in the last two years, including UCL, CWC, Uefa Super Cup, Bundesliga, etc. All that, just to give the Ballon d'Or to Mr. Bolivia. Things like this make you love the beautiful game less.
No one watches a bayern game and thinks "oh wow that number 9 is by far the best player on the field!"
I'm a bit of a fan of Ronaldo and when it comes to Messi, stats are barely necessary - just watch the master do his thing. That 1st leg vs Liverpool in 2019 for example - take away messi's goals and he's still out of this world.
Numbers don't lie. You don't need to be flashy to be ballon dor worthy
@@leonthethird7494 correct numbers don’t lie, except goal tally, Messi bulldozered in other stats
@@rajeevkunapareddy1182 bruh against eibar not big teams🤣🤣
@Prisoner of the Internet I am speaking of the season 20-21 gtfoh
Messi has won more man of the match, man of tournaments than anyone this year, he's got the most assists this year ,he has got 2 trophies both of which were extremely difficult to get and he was the difference in the sides that got it......still these hypocrites think that he doesn't deserve to win it ?😂 Don't get me wrong Lewa deserved it in 2020 💯 but not this year as bayern winning a 9th league title in a row ain't anything surprising and if you talk about goals he's got the golden boot for it fairly! And the goalscorer award too! Messi absolutely deserved it in 2021 whether you like it or not sore pundits! 😂 Lewa deserved it in 2020 👍🏼 if Messi were given ballondor for top scoring and league title then he should've got atleast 8 or 9 by now!
How in the world is Copa Del Rey extremely to get when both Real Madrid and Atletico Madrid were knocked much earlier. Think next time.
@@taliamason7986 there's your answer bro! Real and athletico has a superior squad to Barca and they were knocked out! So copa del rey is difficult you said it yourself now 👍🏼 Messi won that with a pathetic defence and a mediocre team with an underpar coach as well! So?
Shaka killed Don with Facts he didn't have any clap back besides "oh my days"!
i mean, its not really facts to say "kante carried jorginho" thats an opinion
@@TrucNguyen-ph1nc how is it an opinion when it was obvious that Kante was the best player for chelsea?
@@thabomashale6728 well, another pundit thought otherwise so therefore it's an opinion. Fact is irrefutable. Your argument is based on what your opinion of "carried " is to begin with . No disagreement on Kante being the best player, but jorginho was important as well. Also think jorginho being that high is laughable, but Shaka wasn't spitting facts
@@TrucNguyen-ph1nc Kante winning back to back to back MOTM awards from the semis to the finals literally PROVES he "carried" Jorginho my guy! lol...whatever other evidence do you need??
How could anyone objectively say Messi had a better 12 months than Lewa. Its unreal. The only thing this proves is how much of a joke these voting awards are.
Lewa's was better due to what ? winning a polka and a league title in a one horse race for the past 9 years ? it cant be for making the most goals cause then messi was robbed in 2017, 2018, 2019, specially in 2018 being placed 5th
@@juangamino3264 you put lewa on argentina team and he will get cut down. south america is not the euros. its violent. U put messi on that polish team and they will do better than with lewa as messi is not just a goal scorer but also a playmaker
Messi did not have the most goals in 2017 and 2019. Looks like Messi fanboys have resorted to spreading fake stats to try to justify their fake awards.
@Hemp Hemp Lewa had the most goals in 2019. And in less games too.
Jorginho 2nd? Kante 5th? KDB 8th? Sterling 15th? Neymar 16th? Why is Kane and Bruno so low? Where is Mendy and Gundogan? The Ronaldo and Drogba picture was so unnecessary. What a shambles, the ballon dor has become the Oscars🤦🏿♂️😓
What about muller and kimmich
jorginho can be understandable about the trophies he won but De bruyne why tf is he top 10 when he was injured put up mediocre stats.
We took messi for granted and that's the truth....when he will retire then everyone will know that winning such huge amount of ballon d'or is not everyone piece of cake....I don't see any player for next 10-20 years doing this . Just like when barca was winning la liga in previous decade made it look that ....it belongs to barca only.... but that time messi also said that ...you will know the real value of la liga trophy later.....and when messi left barca....every barca fan knows now real values of la liga....in the same .way .. right now messi is winning ballon d'or in such a huge amount that people are taking him for granted for excelling in both individual and team level. Once he retires people will know how difficult it is to do...and I will again say...this is not normal....this messi guy is not normal....you are watching event which will be in history forever and rarely gonna repeat again
What's interesting to me is that no one talks how Messi scores.
Lewa and CR7 need assists. Leo doesn't need assists, he takes the ball in the mid field, runs passed few defenders and scores, Lewa and CR7 need assist desperately. Yet, same or more goals scored and he is a mid fielder.
The best definition of Messi is give by Gary Lineker......
Lovely comment
In terms of aesthetics, Messi scored some of his best goals of his career this year..
Amazing player. Does he need other 10 teammates on the pitch or is he able to manage all by his own?
@@piotrsarnowski80 🤣
How can Shaka not get Lewandowski being from Poland is a handicap cause his Polish team isn’t as good as the Argentina team, this guy is clueless 😂😂😂🤦🏿♂️
then why did Modric win it in 2018
Plenty of players from smaller nations have won the award over the years
Sammy S because they were playing for certain glamorous clubs like Modric playing for Real Madrid or Nedved playing for Juventus.
@@greatestanalyser2354 lewandowski is playing for a glamorous club too tho
@@greatestanalyser2354 Then you mean Bayern is not a glamorous club? Bayern is much more successful than Juve.
Everyone talking about how Lewa being Handicapped by his national team hindered his chance for the Ballon d'or
Shaka: Where's Luka Modric from. Didn't he win the Ballon d'or (drops mic and walks out majestically)
Psg stuffed money to all French journalists to vote , its not a secret!!
This was the deal Messi signed on that Psg contract, Leonardo sitting behind Messi was not even an inch surprised or amused as he already knew the result
!Messi deserves it,
He was denied the 2018 Ballon d'or despite having 77G/A because argentina did bad in the world cup,
He was denied the Ballon d'or in 2014 despite having over 80G/A and reaching the world cup final, and also receiving the best player of the competition and winning a domestic double, yet because he didn't win the world with Argentina they say he does not deserve it,
2020 Lewandowski deserved the Ballon d'or but this is not 2020,
Lewandowski won the bundesliga and has 74 G/A this year,
fun fact bayern has won the bundesliga 9 times in a row,
What Messi did was literally ending the biggest question mark of his career,
they said he couldn't win the Ballon d'or cause he didn't win an international trophy in 2014,2018,2016,
now he didn't just win it but he was hands down the best player of the competition
Shaka’s absolutely right, Jorginho was not the standout player for either of his teams… Messi was the standout in both teams
Djann is right. Playing with Poland does give me Robert Lewandowski a handicapp, the stats don't look pretty internationally. And a lot of countries' voters will probably vote according to those stats.
People can talk about him not deserving the ballon d'Or, neither does he watch espn fc neither do his friends and family, in our minds he is the best player, so you can brag on that he doesn't deserve it neither does it affect him neither us... So go on have fights between you it is a great source of entertainment
Stevie nicole is an idt, the guy cant quote a single stat yet he keeps blabbering ‘what did Messi do apart from Copa’, well he won the Pichichi (highest scorer in la liga) with a ridiculously inept Barca, won the Copa del rey for them by scoring twice in the final, provided more assists than Jorginho n Lewa combined. Similarly ppl arguing Lewa scored so many goals, well he plays for Bayern who bought the league 10 years ago, what did he do in the UCL, he scored like 6 goals, same as Messi. What did he do with Poland, nothing spectacular. So the moment you take Lewa out of this utterly dominating Bayern team, guess what he is just another good player.
They cancelled the Ballon d'Or last year the day after Barça officially finished 3rd in La Liga cos they knew Messi couldn't win it. That says everything.
Lewandowski in Euro 2021 scored 3 goals in 3 games vs Spain and Sweden.
Messi in Copa America scored 4 goals in 6 games vs Bolivia and Chile.
Messi didn’t score in the semi final and final vs Brazil and Colombia.
Luis Diaz was also top scorer with 4 goals in Copa America.
Lewandowski scored 69 goals in 55 games in 2021 while Messi scored 43 goals in 61 matches.
Goals per game ratio:
Lewandowski 1.25 ratio
Messi 0.70 ratio
Lewandowski won Bundesliga with 41 goals in 29 matches (most ever).
Messi finished 3rd in La Liga with 30 goals in 35 matches and Oblak got player of the season ahead of Messi. Also Benzema and Suarez were better in La Liga that season.
Lewandowski made the UCL quarter finals by scoring the winner vs Lazio in both legs, then got injured so couldn’t play vs PSG as Bayern lost without him.
Messi lost in round of 16 by missing a pen to PSG without Neymar.
I think Lewandowski deserved it
I think people don't understand the fact the this is given on a year's performance and not season wise. Messi had a better 2021. Winning something with national team will always have a greater weightage than with club teams. And that too when you're the leading goalscorer, assist provider, MVPs in the tournament. Last year had these awards been given I think lewa might have won it by record margins but not this year.
It's the copa america, Lewandowski won the european golden boot and already has 9 goals in the champions league this season plus is leading the race in the bundesliga. And won the club world cup and got further in the champions league.
Take take jhoginho out of Italy Chelsea already have Kante they will still win
I think these guys don't deserve to be on this platform take some people who are wise not this obsessed 🐖🐷 pigs
By your logic Neymar also won olympic gold, reached cdr finals with national team and did exponentially better with the club by reaching the ucl finals
@@garvitbatra9326 BS, that's not the point.
@@lexkanyima2195 thats exactly the point giving messi the Ballon d’Or only because he won cdr is bs
The guy in the blue suit seems to be having fun amongst them all.. he’s really enjoying this. I love this😂😂😂😂😂😂
shaka just loved the way u ended the video by asking, where was luka modric from?
Shaka's last remarks killed the whole debate, He won 😂😂
Shaka today was the clearest minded individual today. We just have sentiment for 2020 Lewandowski. This year Messi deserved it.
Shakas delivery of the last line is oscar worthy🤣🤣factos👀👍
Shaka literally Savage today
The last Modric point 🔥😂BTW lewa was extremely unlucky. He was injured in ucl PSG match. The only tournament he has to prove he is worthy was injured n was out in quarter final
Messi himself said Lewandowski deserved it.
Messi said he deserves it last year not this year HUGE difference
In 2020. Not 2021
In 2020
Thank you Shaka atleast someone made sense here🙏
The underlying fault in these awards is the lack of a clear criteria leaving everyone with their own interpretation of what exactly they are voting on and for. If the award is for ‘The Best Player in The World’, then the list of winners should really only be a handful (in the last 30 yrs that would be maybe 4/5 players only: Zidane, Ronaldo, CR7, Messi). So the most commonly accepted definition has been ‘Who had the best year’. I don’t know how you argue Messi had a better year than Jorginho (if team achievement has weight) or Lewa (if it’s just about individual excellence)
I mean i have never been a shaka fan but today i think he's been the best pundit alongside julls like even a ronaldo fan will say that jorginio was overjoyed and was not even in the top 3 players of both Italian team and chelsea
And for lewa yeah there is should be a debate he was utterly good but the thing is talking about his nationality is absolutely stupid and the thing is he plays for a better team with players like muller, kimmich, Neuer etc and he had a better coach where messi had koeman teammates like umtiti,lenglet and a whole lot of youngsters around him and it's clear without him argentina would have not won the copa América
I think he deserved it
why you pessi fans keep bringing lewy plays for a better team?
Messi won 5 ballon d'Or playing for arguably the best team in football history
This is a popularity contest. Messi won it cause he's one of the best players ever
Modric won it in 2018 and messi finished 5th despite scoring most goals and having most assist you know why because Argentina got dumped by France in world cup.
Everybody knows Lewandawski is the best right now
Mic drop moment at the end lol
I want lewa to win but I am happy for Messi
henry also didn't want a balon dor but that doesn't change the fact that he is still a legend and one of the best of the beautiful game. Lewa don't worry u are still the best striker in the eyes of many and u were the best player in 2020
You can celebrate him or hate him. I choose to celebrate him. Congrats little man ❤️
No one knows how to explain a clear criteria. I believe most of the boys from back in the day value winning major trophies ahead of stats whereas today is all about the glamour in numbers. oh well, nice for a debate, Messi can play on any side that won a major trophy and be a huge part of it to hold it against him that he doesn't have a team to win with is also non-sensical yet he still produces at a high level.
No one is arguing and talking about who the greatest player of all time. Messi can take it anytime. What people are saying is who is the best player on 2021. Clearly it's Lewandowski since 2020 and 2021. Ballon d'or is a joke nw.
@@jaimeangelo4143 It wasn't 'clearly' Lewandowski. Messi was miles clear of him for the first half of the year. He was dragging Barcelona through games and it cumulated with him being utterly brilliant in the Copa America. There's a number of people here who are either Lewandowski/Ronaldo fans, they have short term memory or they just don't like Messi, cause the outrage here is completely unwarrented.
The best ending argument I have seen here😂
Games played 49 ❌
Goals 40 ❌
Assists 16 ✅
Shots on target 103 ✅
Big chances missed 12 ✅
Accurate passes 2525 ✅
Dribbles completed 224 ✅
Chances created 118 ✅
Big chances created 26 ✅
Tackles 31 ✅
Recoveries 107 ✅
Points won by goals 22 ✅
Points won by G/A 39 ✅
Match winning goals 9 ✅
Match winning G/A 15 ✅
Man of the match 27 ✅
Messi's stats compared to Lewa and Benz