HI IRON Video Strasburg Railroad Mixed Train June 1989 with PRR D16sb 1223
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- čas přidán 23. 06. 2016
- This video shows footage taken June 17 & 18 in 1989 at the Strasburg Railroad during a Photographer's Special Charter Event that took place over those two days.
The consist included:
Pennsylvania RR D16sb 1223
Strasburg's Flat Car (former Ma&Pa 122)
Lehigh Valley RR Wood Boxcar 75073
Delaware & Hudson RR Wood Boxcar 19607
Pennsylvania RR P70 1006
Pennsylvania RR Cabin Car (Caboose) 478007 (incorrectly numbered 477947)
All of the equipment except for the Strasburg Railroad's Flat car were equipment that belonged to the Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania.
I found this video on VHS several years ago and got it professionally transferred to DVD. It looked horrible even on my best VHS player (which is actually pretty good) and they did a fantastic job of improving the image quality beyond what I was able to get on my own.
This video was released by HI-Iron Railroad Videos on VHS only, it seems the company is now defunct as I can find no record of them after 1996.
I am posting this video as the video in question is no longer available for purchase, nor does the company even exist anymore. This video is posted for the purpose of the viewing enjoyment of others who, like myself, have many fond memories of riding behind the 1223. To be clear, I am making no profit from this whatsoever.
If the original company or copyright owner should find this video and wish it to be taken down, please contact me immediately. - Auta a dopravní prostředky
1223 was pulled from service later in 1989. This was probably 1223's last photo event.
“We pay that ghost $27 a day to blow that whistle”
I thought it was $27.50 a day
However much it is, that ghost is still the highest paid employee on that railroad.
You got that from K&L Trainz, didn’t you?
It's just so sad that just 6 months after this was filmed 1223 and 7002 would sadly be removed from service due to the fra discovering both of their fireboxes weren't safe to operate and whirled have to be rebuild and sadly theses 2 locomotives might never run again unless they get a new firebox. And it's been over 30 years since they've been out of service and I wish I got a chance to see them in operation but at least we still have the footage to watch if we ever miss them running
I agree it'd be cool to see them run again, but Strasburg just doesn't need them. If they had to pick one to bring back, 1223 would be the most likely option. Reasons being 1223 was regarded as a very smooth and reliable locomotive, and it is perfect for short line operations. The only down side is that 1223 is a bit under powered compared to 90, 475, and 89. The most I've seen 1223 pull by herself is five or six cars which is fine for the off season or half hour trains. However when it comes to the hourly summer trains, she probably could manage, but she'd struggle. 89 is limited to an eight car train by herself, so I'd imagine seven to be the limit for 1223. As for 7002 while it is older, more classy, and has a higher tractive effort than 1223 and 89, it was not built to haul tourist trains at 20 MPH. She performs best at higher speeds and 7002, while smooth, was known to struggle to maintain the schedule due to slow acceleration.
@@willhorowitz8806 Is the 8 car limitation for 89 due to it not being able to handle the grade with anything more than that?
Not to mention 1223 is a great homage to the pre-toursit days back in the late 1800s/ early 1900s when Strasburg relied on retired PRR 4-4-0s.
@@Mizzinno yep
What a handsome locomotive. She served Strasburg well.
awesome I certainly miss the PRR engines
Wdym some prr engines are running or on display
Cures Pennsylvania museum deciding not to keep them on the railroad
Prr 5500 is still out there
Back when Strasburg was awesome and that Hello Dolly car was the nicest open car anywhere.
Wow, it’s sad that the engine can’t run anymore
Probably the last outing 1223 had before she had to be put away.
Great to see the old SRC!! It so sucks by comparison now! I'm so glad I saw what was before it was gone.
SteamGent You're insane! In what way does the current Strasburg RR suck?! What could they do better? Three immaculately restored operating steam locomotives, a beautiful wooden passenger car fleet, and frequent use of steam in freight service. You can count on operating steam any time you go. It's that foamer attitude like yours that makes other railfans look bad.
@@rem-so1ly it's that whole list of things that occurred after Bill Moedinger retired. It was a great place to visit once a week back when he ran it. There isn't even enough space to list it. It's just not the fun place it once was to put it simply.
@@steamgent4592 Ok, but what's your opinion? Don't dodge the question.
@@Sparecards Again the list would be very long. Longer than Santas naughty list. Although SRC had no problem getting rid of santa either for the Christmas Tree train....Same with the awesome Halloween Trains in the dark they killed those off as well. Cant have steam on the SRC @ Night!! If you were around in the 70s and 80s you would understand. The entire SRC atmosphere has changed and I cant say for the better. Which is why their ridership has plummeted too from back then. They claim they make more on outside contract shop repairs than ticket sales. Only Thomas makes those numbers still pretty good.
It has a different focus of clientele since Lynn Modinger took the helm and that hasnt changed. Multiple locos doesnt just make the railroad nor freight hauling. Its the entire experience. Just visit the Reading & Northern, Cass, or The Great Smokey Mountain Railway when theyre steam hauled. There is a massive difference regarding the experience you have. Especially at the R&N. Even WK&S provided a more enjoyable experience in the 1990s when both 65 & 2 were operational especially in October.
The people that grew up with steam and the steam enthusiasts in the 1960s-80s put SRC on the map and made it what it is today and management couldnt give a care unless theyre doing a Pete Larro charter maybe. Whereas everyday at SRC was a fun day back in the day. The days of calling the station to see which locos were fired up, (cant do that you get a recording)popping out to see 90 or whatever for a trip or two, taking a ride in the baggage combine behind the tender or open gondola, putting on your safety glasses and bandana (so you still had eyes and a relatively clean face), grabbing a awesome burger and those fabulous homemade onion rings at the Stations Dining Car restaurant, (which folks drove miles just to get or even joined the Friends of the RRMofPa as a excuse to go there to eat them on every Sat), going into the second floor railroadiana shop, and then heading to Cherry Hill or Carpenters to see the last train or two return up the hill or even better theyd lash the two locos used on the hour and half hour trains that day for an impromptu doubleheader those days are long long gone just like all the great performances at those crossings if the crew knew you were there it was like a photo runby!!
SRC was turned into another tourist trap with nothing but cheap junk in the gift shops, kiddy toys or other non enthusiast stuff. $5 or more sodas and water, and other ridiculous stuff that has little to do with Steam Era Railroading.......
I grew up with the SRC went multiple times a year for decades but buy about the mid 90s it became a whole different place and experience. Ive not been there since 611 first arrived and sorry they managed to make that a disappointment as well. Thought with new management theyd have turned it around but I was wrong. Thats the short list.......Im sure you have a rebuttal but thats not going to change my feelings about it.
Yes SRC has a wonderful shop, impeccably maintained equipment locos & Coaches, and property, but the fun and excitement that John Bowman, Red Shaw, Mike Brenner, Bud Swear, and many others gave us who are all now sadly no longer with us and what went on is a thing of the past........
I think John Prophet said that the reason 1223 & 7002 were pulled from Strasburg service was because their flue times had expired and they didn't want to pay for repairs on engines they didn't own.
The Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania (RRMoPa) used to sell different mini-booklets that were excerpts from the publication of “The Friends of the RRMoPa” called “The Milepost”. They had one on 1223, which I of course had to purchase. I believe it was a section of what Linn Moedinger contributed regarding his recollections of 1223 where he noted that in the summer of 1990 they used a new X-ray machine that the Strasburg Rail Road acquired for measuring boiler thickness (that the Strasburg employees came to call “The death ray”) because they identified that sections of the fireboxes in both 1223 and 7002 were too thin to meet safety standards for continued operation. The Strasburg Rail Road and RRMoPa could not come to a mutually beneficial agreement.
I wish that engine would be running again in strasburg railroad
It's the American Edward #1223.
What kind of firebox does 1223 have?
Bepaire firebox (common on Pennsy steam)
Thank god they pulled it from doing runs due to the sheet on the inside It would've exploded if they kept it running longer. Would've been nice if they were able to restore the inside/boiler but the museum want's everything to be 100% original if im correct.
Onion hat,
First there is a certain level of safety that they are supposed to maintain, that safety is that a boiler is supposed to be able to withstand (by design) 4x it’s operating pressure, none of the PRR engines that operated in the 1980’s met that, including 1361, it just wasn’t realized at the time.
This was due to the PRR eliminating the use of staybolt caps where the staybolts meet the top of the boiler. These staybolt caps originally gave the PRR engines the thickness of steel required for where the staybolts connected to the boiler. When the Pennsy eliminated that from the design on their steam locomotives, they essentially failed to meet that requirement from that point forward. That requirement was in place even back then, and they managed to get away with it, until the end of steam.
So in reality, the thickness probably still provided the capability (per calculations) of withstanding 3x operating pressure or more, probably pretty close to the 4x operating pressure, so barring other material defects, etc. they would’ve been ok. Also, keep in mind that boilers do sometimes burst or leak without a catastrophic explosion.
I think it is far from accurate to say they would’ve exploded if they were run for longer, they just didn’t meet the full safety requirement.
2nd the “powers that be” at the Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania, in fact, have less to do with the decisions around 1223 and 7002 than you might think.
7002 was going to be returned anyway since 89 was restored to service, SRC didn’t need her and she wasn’t as well suited for the railroad, especially since the possibility for more Mainline trips was getting significantly smaller.
Also, unlike much of the non-PRR equipment that is owned by the Museum, the PRR collection donated by Penn Central is owned by the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, which means it falls under much tighter restrictions than anything owned by the museum. Really the Railroad Museum of PA are just the stewards of the collection. Whereas the museum can deaccession and sell, or lease more freely, the things they own, their hands are tied in regards to the PRR collection, significant decisions around that equipment would likely require an act of the Pennsylvania State Legislature.
Do you have Mark I Video’s Doubleheader of 1223 and 7002? That’d be keen to watch!
The best way is part of a fairly inexpensive multi-DVD set called “Steam Trains”
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Instead of restoring 31 they could do 1223 as I think 1223 fits in with the railroad and would be cool to see, and not like I hat 31 it just kinda more the yard switching type. But that's what I think
do you have any footage of steam in the central US?? like Mid Continent or IRM?? or any other steam altogether
Nicholas Medovich while I am not the original uploaded of this and I know that the question was directed at him, I'd like to say that I do have some footage of steam in the central us. I have: riverside and great northern (onboard), silver creek and Stephenson cab ride (I have it saved somewhere), leviathan 63 at IRM (on and offboard), Leigh coal 165 IRM (pulling out of the yard only), paradise and pacific (mini train in Arizona on and off board footage), and the one and only frisco 1630 at irm (taken 2 different years 2016 and 2014 on and off board). If you're interested, I'll see what I can find of my videos and upload what I got!
love that