PRR Steam in the 80's
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- čas přidán 12. 01. 2020
- More from the film archives of the late Red Moser. This time we look at the then-remaining operating examples of Pennsylvania Railroad steam power. First, a look at the brief career of restored K4 1361 after its "rescue" from display at Horseshoe Curve. Next, doubleheaded steam with the 7002 and 1223 on a trip to Rockville Bridge from Strasburg in 1985. Finally, the Strasburg ran some trips with the 1223 and vintage PRR stock in 1982 recreating the "Pennsylvania Special" of 1902 on its 80th birthday.
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I swear the more footage of the 7002 & 1223 excursions that continues to surface the more I'm secretly crying that they are no longer under steam because all of this footage is still A+++ and deserves to be seen. My God that shot at 4:17 of the train at express speed is beyond powerful, it's majestic.
Fantastic steam locomotives 🚂
I love 3750 because of the shape and it looks like 1361
Awesome video I love these trains!!!!! I wish they still operated
PRR 1361 is being restored to operating condition and tour the mid-Atlantic region to different railroads with a PRR passenger consist including B60 baggage cars (to be used as exhibit cars, a PRR RPO as a gift shop car, P70 coaches, and possibly a diner and lounge observation car from the Broadway Limited.
As a fan of old-time railroading, I really liked the footage of the Atlantic and American! The footage of them at speed should take us back to the Good Old Days and the 4-car run with the 4-4-0 at the end should show the younger fans why passenger cars were known as "Varnish" back when equipment was kept in showroom condition. In other words: _Great footage!_ Thanks.
at 2:06 is the sound clip of N&W 611. Regardless of using dubbed sound, this is pretty good
@@fmnut You can hear faint sounds of the bell, which is distinctly 611
@@fallingup90 you sir have an ear for steam locomotives lol
Thanks!!!
I wish that all three locomotives all run again. I remember 1223 and 7002 at Strasburg.
it’d be illegal fro 1223 and 7002 without an extensive rebuild
@@pennsy77 I don't know what kind of shape 7002 is in. I do know that Linn Modinger said she was in excellent shape when she was first leased to them. I also know the.1223 ran from 1902 to 1950s on PRR and 1960 to 1989 on Strasburg so she might need an extensive rebuild though I doubt that she has any original material left anyway.
643 is the only PRR steam engine that runs as of today!
The coaches on 1361 are STRASBURG COACHES!
@@AndrewLieb i know, but they looked like Strasburg coaches
@@AndrewLieb don’t forget 972 in the late 70s
Strasburg supplied the coaches for 1361's visit to York in August 1988--only the RPO behind the engine belongs to the museum (or the Horseshoe Curve Chapter NRHS). The SW...9? at the end of the train was brought in by Juniata Terminal (aka Benett Levin, who is now involved with 1361's rebuild).
My understand is that during that Strasburg bought these former EMU cars for the purposes of these excursions. They were sold not long after.
A beautiful sight with 1223, but you can really see the bad shape the PRR combine was in. Very sad.
At 2:38, those are the same sound recordings featured from Mark1Video’s Production Strasburg Doubleheader.
Wish the actual sounds were used. Not even close to lining up with the drivers...
@@SGolenski there were no actual sounds, the film was silent. I did use soundtrack off the actual engines being shown. I did my best to match the sound to the action. Sorry if I fell short of your expectations.
Good ear. I had to get the sounds somewhere.
The one dislike is a New York Central fan.
I liked this and I'm a NYC fan lmao
@@varrunningtrains4112
I'm a Dereco fan.
No, I think it was the guy who thought I did a lousy job on the soundtrack.
@@fmnut
Oh. I just made the Dereco logos my screensaver EL on the left DH on the right.
@@fmnut can I still see 1361
hope to see 1361 run again one day once the rebuild is done but its pretty obvious 1223 & 7002 will never run again
Yes that is obvious because the RR museum wants to protect whatever original material still exists on those locos, if there is any. I wish they wouldn't be so stubborn with those locos. By the way they both met at Leamen Place for the 85th anniversary of the Broadway Limited. Is there any good footage of the 1223 and 7002 down at Leamen Place that shows the Belpaire Fireboxes on those locos?
@@robertmohler9219 idk
Loved That!
Whatever happened to the coaches that 1223 and 7002 used for the mainline excursions now? Where are they now?
I wish to find a good recording of 7002’s whistle as i been trying to find the right pitch of the earlier E class 3 chime. Thet had a distinct sound from the K4’s E5’s and E6’s 3 chimes. It was a different tune. I have some parts to a E3a number 2997. And it would be neat to hear how they sounded in service
There's a video of that doubleheader you can CZcams
czcams.com/video/GyaRyLthFt8/video.html
Does anyone know if the 1223 and 7002 ever passed each other at Strasburg? If they did, is it on video?
I wish the SRC kept the 7002 and 1223 in service
Too much $$$$$$ to fix them. Plus they are owned by the museum, not SRC.
I thought the 1223 was also found in 1989 to have a firebox too thin for modern safety standards. The FRA pretty much forced them to either build a new boiler or retire the engine (and since it was all original, the 1223 was sent back to the museum).
@@thunderbird1921 that's correct. The boiler on 7002 also had problems.
@@fmnut Strasburg Railroad can afford ANY rebuild on ANY steamer! The problem is that the museum is too aggressive in protecting them.
@@thunderbird1921 All you have to do is fix the firebox, not the whole boiler. If the firebox was all original, I will faint. It was operated for at least 40 years by the Strasburg Railroad, and at least 40 years by the Pennsylvania Railroad before 1960 when the SRC took it over.
Cool video 🚂🚂🚂💯✔🇺🇸
Man, That 2nd coach in the 1223 clips at the end of the video looks so bent! I wouldn't go 5 MPH in that thing!
Great video does anyone know the status on the 1361 restoration?
Blueprints for new boiler if I remember correctly
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1223 and 7002 are not dead. There in the museum of strasburg
Yes, but they will never steam again.
@@fmnut While unfortunate, I more than understand why they are not operation.
Yes automotive, they are not in operation because while 1223 may or may not have original material left, they are too aggressively protected by the chairman of the museum. If my brother was chairman, it might have been. leased back to Strasburg. It ran for 50 years on Pennsylvania and about the same at Strasburg, so I do not see how there is any original material left for the museum to protect, but that is the reason why neither loco is in operation.
7:07 why is that combine car so bowed?
Wood frame cars tended to sag over time. The truss rods at the bottom of the car were designed to be tightened periodically to combat this. The car sat for many years with no maintenance, hence the sag. By the time the car was restored, it was determined that correcting the sag would potentially damage the frame, so it was left that way.
@@fmnut ah I see, thanks for clearing that up
@@fmnut why did you put PRR 1361’s whistle on 7002 4:43
@Railfan1223owen it wasn't a deliberate addition, the whistle was already in the sound clip. I use the sounds I have to match the speed of the train and the environment. Sometimes the whistles don't match. Also, I am more of a diesel person and I can't identify whistle sounds as well as I do air horns.
It would be more financially feasible to restore 1223 and 7002 to full operation than it would be to rebuild an engine from the ground up. 1223 firebox sheet would require a new boiler but both engines were fully operational and taken care off by the time of their "retirement" in the early 1990's Obviously this woild be incumbent on the engines owners. (Commonwealth of Penna) to renew a lease with the railroad.
Given the current state of tensions between the museum and SRC which come from long unresolved issues, I think you're dreaming.
@@fmnut wow, I did not realize that. I have been a member of the FRM since 1999 and the relationship between both has always been mutually beneficial. Must be very recent because both organizations as you can imagine tend to share volunteers when its so easy to just cross the street. Up until COVID the railroad and the museum kept "package passes" for both the museum and the SRC.
@@unitedwithbritian That info was passed to me in a discussion of the sale of the Camelback to Ohio. Maybe you know more than my source does.
@@fmnut Gotcha, the camelbacks sale may have rubbed people the wrong way but I dont think it irreparably soured relations between the museum and the railroad. I know the museum would have probably wanted it for a static display. (it is after all the only exclusively former "Reading" steam camelback still in existence and one of the few examples of Reading equipment the museum had which was on loan from the SRC. (It sat in the museums yard for the better part of ten years before going back to its home yards at the SRC).
To this day the 7002 and 1223 are aggressively protected by the museum. I will be glad when the museum has a more reasonable chairman when it comes to those two engines.. That might not be happening for a while though.