Why Ten Hag uses players in the wrong positions
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The positive impact Erik ten Hag has had on Manchester United already, is unquestionable. Heâs getting the best out of some forgotten players. But he is also playing some players out of position.
JJ Bull explains why Ten Hag is playing Bruno Fernandes, Wout Weghorst, Luke Shaw and Jadon Sancho out of position.
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since he's come in, Ten Hag has been a problem solving manager because he's not had all the parts of his ideal system, and that's what makes his current team so interesting, as you can see it slowly transitioning into his preferred style as time goes on
I bet this season will set a crucial and needed experience and base upon which to build a successful and title winning team.
Like every manager....
Why do ManU fans pretend they're the only ones with issues to solve...
âââ@@colouredIncognito Classic case of "whataboutism" by you there. Identifying that United do something isn't the same as denying that others do, too.
The difference for us, as United fans, is that we had 20 years of near-perfection and the standards/ demands are far higher than elsewhere.
But no United fan is going to be made an apologist for higher standards because other clubs and fans can't raise theirs.
When Roy Keane demanded higher standards, the solution was to step-up and meet those demands. Not to blame him for being demanding and cry. That's what too many fans of other clubs do and feeds the "small club mentality" view.
This is also a video specifically about United and our issues so it's a weirdly misappropriated comment.
7-0 will do it every time lol
@@AceBanana100 liverpool the greatest Coke zero winner team
He got Maguire and McTominayâs positions spot on
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Lol
I didn't see Maguire anywhere.
@@benedictjajo That's the point
On the bench better get e out of the club
JJ always plays in the correct position: our hearts
WOUT WEGHORST is a pressing machine, gives his all no matter what position he's in, never drops his head when things don't go well. Plays for the team, and the badge. Love this guy.
A forwards main job is to make or create goals and hes simply not good at that. Martial doesnt have the right attitude or work rate but hes just a better footballer and he will replace weghorst as soon as he is fit and rightly so
Weghorst is intelligent warrior
â@@kenshi3942 nah, skill without the right attitude is useless because 9/10 games, Martial is gonna be a liability. Whereas for Weghorst, 9/10 times he might not score but he'll always do something useful. Assisting or playing quick one two are not the only way to create goals, making space for others is also another way of creating goals which usually goes under appreciated and Weghorst does that way better than Martial on a consistent basis.
ETH didn't sign Weghorst for his goal scoring ability, he signed him for his work rate. United will surely buy a world class number 9 this summer. Martial is finished.
I think Maguire needs to start at CF. He's got the defensive abilities, he's cost the club 80M, he's big.
@@kenshi3942 True. We need to find a young player with a hardworking attitude and Martialâs skill set. Like NHS Martial but no injuries. Donât know if it exists but thatâs what we need.
So it basically boils down to playing to your players individual strengths whilst still imposing your tactical principles. I like this
He always said from day 1 in press conference that the players dictate the way of play not the other way round
Which means not forcing players to do what they can't do
Itâs just ole-ball with slightly better players, this video is not at all representative of the football they play
@@fidelalexander6427 I could also argue that "Ole ball with slightly better players" is not a true representation of the football they play
â@Fidel Alexander you mean Ole Ball with significantly high possession? Ok
That's basically what new managers (should) do when they arrive at any new club, you can't overhaul the entire squad in just one summer and force them to play 100% your way.
Considering the circumstances (early season trashings, slow late transfers, and inheriting a severely imbalanced squad), he's done well to show as an adaptable manager while under pressure to deliver results almost immediately.
In Dortmund Sancho was always an inside forward so he attacked in the half spaces
or roam into the central area and play as the no10 while Reus or Brandt go up as 2nd striker.
Sancho looks good against 4th rate defenders hence his success in Germany
Sancho is lazy
@@OBWanKenobi you seemingly dont know much about football, but don't worry about it you can still keep making wrong statements
@@OBWanKenobi he literally schooled every team he played against in the ucl for bvb...what you talking aboutđ
Sancho as a 10 isn't really "wrong". His skillset suits a number 10 and he has the ability to carry the ball which bruno doesn't. Weghorst as a 10 is a bit interesting though
All in all it just shows how flexible ten hag can be and pragmatic if needed. This clearly bodes well for united as they have a manager who has a philosophy but can change if the match requires it to be.
at Dortmund Sancho main role is technically a wide 10 (in fact, Dortmund don't have a winger back then, they do have 4-5 players who's able to play as no10).
â@@HenSt-gz7qj yup. Never really understood the narrative that sancho would be the one who would end united right winger priblem. He hardly ever played there at his best. In dortmund he was a rightfooted left winger who would cut inside and dictate play in the attack.
The guy can't run. He gets tired easily. He simply can't do it
he isn't doing too well at cam taoo bruh
There is nothing Sancho can do better than Bruno moaning aside
It's what the Ajax youth players do. They learn to play in every position so they understand how the system works in all areas of the pitch.
Ten Hag called Bruno playing in the RW "chaos" for defenders. Now I know what he meant by that. Great video.
His focus seems to be not what his team will enjoy the most, but what the opposition will hate playing against the most
@@Dere2727 But I think both are equally important. And probably the first one should be own team's suitability.
Bruno has always been fluid. I don't think even he knows his best position.
His first two games under his reign he tried playing his style of play at Ajax but then realised these players canât play his style so he decided to go pragmatic and adapt to different style of play ones
Little disclaimer, despite his size weghorst is not good in the air. His link up play and work rate are good, but is aerial ability is really lackluster for his size, you'd assume he's a big imposing centre forward, and he's definitely not that
bro i was just thinking that. more of a deep lying foreward than a target man
He is also bad at carrying and holding the ball which makes united transition game hard to watch some times.
United basically use Weghorst as a decoy, but they have overlapping runs from the wingers and Bruno.
The guy is uselessâŠ.
The problem is , Bruno at 10 is a different beast compared to Bruno on the wings. Bruno wont dribble past full backs. He cannot stretch the field. This system works against smaller teams but against the better teams, it fails like it did vs Liverpool. Rashford would have picked Trent apart where as Bruno couldnt track their winger or Trent. We really need a proper number 9 in the summer.
@@tonateniuugwanga8582 i think that was a rare tactical mistake from ETH. We all knew that Rashford should have been playing wide left in that line up but i think he put Bruno there in the hopes that he would track back more to limit Trents influence when Liverpool had the ball and then have Rashford up top for the counter attack. I think the ideal lineup may have been Garnacho, Rashford (ST), Anthony and Bruno (10).
I like this approach , ETH has a philosophy like most managers but he is not afraid to be pragmatic some managers almost stick to their philosophies almost to their detriment for example Klopp and Pep who are unbelievable managers btw don't get me wrong but look at Ancelotti and Mourinho for example who don't have a set philosophy but manage games to win its not a coincidence that Ancelotti and Mourinho have won more final wins than Klopp and Pep
I think there's an interesting Summer coming. A lot going out and a small but important few coming in. At the moment I trust the guy doing it, which is nice for a change.
Always a pleasure to watch an analysis from JJ, entertaining but informative, and impartial
The pace at which every player is improving is very mind blowing. This shows how ETH is a very good manager. When he gets the players that suit his style, more will come.
you mean having a manger like all other managers in europe actualy creating teams with the players they got bring through the academie players and smaller financial resources . There is a reason why teams from smaller leagues with 10 to 20 % value of any of the top 6 leagues out perform the so called pay to win clubs . Tottenham lost in the confrence leageu from teams 1/10 of their value .
Real managerrs are the ones that have fewer resources to fall back on and have to play to their strenght as its a team sport not a collection of players.
@@marcusfranconium3392 why are those teams you mentioned not in top 4 every year then
I like the France 98 T shirt. Nostalgic.
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Awesome premonition of Sancho playing a clever pass to an overlapping full back (Shaw) for a goal today (Sabitzer) đ ~ despite saying it was unlikely because Man Utd donât overlap their full backs much!
Considering ten hag's use of weghorst, as a focal point in midfield which is sort of target man in no 10/8 role,, it seems logical to pursue sergej milinkovic savic in summer, profile wise seems the most suitable to play in that role
There were rumors about 3-4 years ago linking us to him and then nothing happened. Heâs fantastic and likely a lot less temperamental than Pogba that we went for. Wouldâve been much cheaper too
Agree the weghorst is useless
we arent doing this again. I swear we've been linked to this guy for half a decade. Lazio probably still want silly money for him.
@@Adam-xe5xm definitely not sillier than Pogba for sure lol
@@akaolisechukwuogo7186 considering age ect it probably will be. He's a mainstay in their team and I doubt they can replace him if they sell him
One word my mates, Total Football đ„đ„
JJ is my favorite, great video as always
Very good insight you make JJ Bull. Ten hag has found ways of adapting per game and opponent he encounters
Like he says, he wants to win. So he adapts to win. It more often than not has been seen to work
It's a Dutch thing. Reminds me of Van Gaal.
It's not bad at all. He's just testing players in different positions. United needed someone like him.
Ten hag might just be the most tactically versatile manager out there. A second half specialist.
Then pool blew us away in the second half đđđ
@@dmitong It was only a matter time when the team starts losing steam when they play 3 games per week while other teams just play once per week. Thats what happens when there's no squad depth but moving forward in the summer, hopefully it'll changes.
Besides, we're still in top 3 while LV below at 5. All that 7 scores for nothing.
@Matt Gee I understand and I agree with the fact that ETH is tactically versatile and a second half specialist.
I'm still grieving our implosion against pool in the 2nd half, that anomaly was so cringe considering how good our 2nd half performances have been... It's only painđ
@@anisahs2110 I agree but 6 goals in the second half was wayyy too bad, I'm still reeling from the pain.
Beautiful wrap-up
I really wish more of our fan base would see this video. I've seen increased criticism or questioning of Ten Hag's player choice as of late, and this video sums up really well and really simplistically what I've wanted to say. I love it
Sancho is never an out to out wide player. He has always been very good in tight position
I loved this video on time and the secrets of it
This is an excellent analysis of the strengths of the United players and how and why Trn Hag has deployed them but at the end of the day , it also points out the frailties and limitations in the squad. Wenghorst isnât hat great in the air, Antony in essence is a one trick pony and for all of Fernandesâ strengths he does give the ball away too often and may be suspect in a ball possession system. Put it this way, despite this keen analysis, United have a goal difference ofâŠ..6. They just donât score enough to be an elite team. Rashford has been their life line this year and Ten Hag has been a world class Manager. Add a bit of good fortune and you end up with a Trophy and a 3rd place standing in your keague
Finally can show this to the United Stand because they all thing Bruno is some world class number 10 but I have been saying ETH doesnât trust Bruno in the 10 and Bruno is made for a counter attacking Ole team. I can see Bruno being used less often once ETH gets the midfielders he wants
Doubt it. ETH seems to love him, especially out wide. When they get Kane/Osimen in the summer Bruno is the only player who can get the ball into the box. Hes also the only truly creative midfielder they have. Sancho/Anthony for all their skills play it way too safe. Its why their creative stats are awful. Bruno goes too far the other way and it can be costly but its productive. Erikesen is a liability in the 10 as he cant press. World class gets thrown around too much but hes a top 5 10 in the league comfortably and arguably second only to Oedegaard (who hasn't been doing it as long and may just be in a purple patch?) if you consder KDB more of an 8 in City's system
100%. I've been saying the exact same thing and tbh I cannot wait to see that rat on the bench... the football without him is ALWAYS better
sancho at no.10 is no way a wrong position, I think in his career he will eventually make that move. he will be a cam under ten hag
there's a evolving with subs too. He had struggling early on with how to keep ahead in the match and lack of subs decision cost him from 3pt to 1pt. At losing position, he sure knows how to sub and bounce back unless he misread the whole match from the start.
Messed up abit on the antony bit...he is explosive...just avoids everything do do with his right foot...therefore not running into space on his right side
never been that kinda player. over/underlaps provided the space for him to cut inside
Always loving the TanHaggian Narrative
i think united are a team that are very direct and like to get the ball in the box or drive at them with the ball, sancho is the opposite to that as heâs more of a cute passer who will pass up the pitch and eventually into the goal, if going forward united play a more quick passing system heâll thrive but right now heâs not doing well as if he gets the ball heâll try to play a 1-2 or bounce off someone but most the time he gives it to fernandes or rashford who every time they get the ball look around to look at the best option rather than just playing impulsively and make quick passes
should fix the alignment of the Messi Jersey in the back, its just a bit off! Great video!
9:16 almost thought you'd lecture on Einstein's Relativity . I hope Sancho really puts in the effort, he can give us a different spark upfront.
Then, you should find a video on time!! i love Tifo IRL
He's adapting to the current squad we have atm as we are quite close to ffp breach with all the expensive signings we get no resale value from.
Thank you
Didn't work when playing Bruno on the LW against Pool did it? It's not even playing to his strength and did nothing to exploit Pool's weakness at RB. Instead he played into Liverpool's strength by allowing their attacking Fullbacks to go up higher onto the pitch.
Wanting to make things unpredictable is one thing when he tries to play the players according to their skillset, but at the same time he need to do it when it can actually exploit the opponent's weaknesses instead of strengthening their stronger areas.
You can try and impose your tactical principles on your own players but it won't work if it helps your opponent play to their strength. If he recognizes this and learn to be pragmatic at times, he can prevent similar humiliating defeats.
What are you waffling about? He has been nothing but pragmatic this whole season. Heâs had to play with no decent striker for almost 2 months.
This is what I call the Bat đŠ Man shape... Very DC n very effective.đ
Main reason: it suits the team tactically.
Weghorst reminds us of Fellaini, a tall unit being inserted to break defence formation.
Makes you wonder if Ten Hag is the Dutch David Moyesđđ
Answer (in part) is the concept of Total Football embraced by Dutch football.
Basically ETH have done what Pep do with Man City. Changing David Silva from AM to CM, Foden AM to LW/RW, De Bruyne from AM to CM same to Silva and Zinchecko who is a AM to LB. Same goes to Bayern where he played Kimmich as a CB and RB instead of CM/CDM. ETH also does this to Zyech, Tadic and VDB.
They are nothing alike Guardiola likes to tinker but dictate how players play when they don't he freezes them out or discards them. Ten Hag will tinker but eventually adapts to the players strengths instead of imposing his will.
@@Wilcoranking they are similar. Next season ETH wants to buy a players that fit his profile clearly some Man Utd players are not fit to his tactics. He still want his players to adapt his coaching style.
Nice break down.
Sounds a bit like when Ferguson had 3 rotating strikers and nobody knew who to mark
I love your t-shirt. Makes me feel young again
Ten Hag uses Weghorst like Jose used Fellaini back in the day.
đź I was just thinking that if we had Fellaini now he would be getting mad game time and probably more goals than Weghorst
â@@glenvance6737 No doubt. Marouane was more clinical than the work horse. He would definitely thrive under Ten Hag.
moyes used fellaini in that position
@@glenvance6737 fellaini didn't score much for utd rashford is better goalscorer
Or Van Gaal
I had that shirt as a kid, and the matching blue shorts.
Weghorst is the best defensive striker
I guess Roberto Firmino and 728393 other CFâs in the world play tennis?
for the other team, sure
There's no such thing as a "wrong" position, each has it's strengths weaknesses
I think United are going to be very different next season.
I'm not sold on Weghorst. Great at pressing but that's about it. He doesn't win many aerial duals despite his height, doesn't have an eye for goal, can't beat a man on the dribble, has an average first touch.. No better than Ighalo imho.
hater is always blind
@@pus1546 instead of calling me a "hater", why don't you disprove the points I made? United signed Weghorst as a striker, but he only has what, 1 goal in the premier league. He has been moved to the 10 position, isn't a facilitator and don't look like goal threat. He does press well. That's it. I am a United supporter but I am objective
What is the title of the song playing in the background?
Beautiful analysis. So you are saying they were too fluid against Liverpool? đ
4:54 honestly forgot when Martial has last played for man utd
Because Ten Hag has the amazing football knowledge that most people who play Football Manager think they have.
can you cover some other clubs as well? i like the videos but almost all of it is PL and united
That's what gets the clicks, I guess. This isn't the best channel you would wanna visit if you want good tactical insight. They've got their biases, they've got this nerd energy and jokes that only appeals to their fanbase. I'd say you look for another channel. There's always some small ones with low viewers yet great content.
Still a mystery y he got Anthony and have to do so much tweaks tactically to accommodate him.
Genius
Maybe Ten Hag should consider playing Sancho in a midfield 3 with Bruno and Casemiro. Casemiro playing as a single pivot and Sancho playing in the left half space and Bruno in the right half space. I think that makes a bit of sense.
that team gets killed in the transitions. Casemiro will get left out to dry. Sancho doesnt work back fast enough and Bruno, for all his running, might be the worst tackler on the team
â@@Adam-xe5xm spot onđŻ
@@Adam-xe5xm Sancho has a better work rate than Erickson
@@Ems_amah and Fred has a better work rate than both of them put together. Why are you trying to play a winger as a box to box number 8. He has 0 defensive qualities. Do you think he is capable of tracking midifled runners into the box? He's a winger so let him play there. Next you'll be telling Weghorst is tall so play him at CB.
The first video I have to disagree with. At united weighorst Bruno and rashford still pretty much play at their respective position. However ten hag wanted weighorst to regularly drop deep into attacking midfield, creating space for rashy to cut in, while Bruno drift wide. So technically it is from the movement from the players that created these situations rather than they started right in that position. In games there are still times rashy seen with the ball outwide, weighorst as a ball moving hub and bruno charging forward from deep. In conclusion, this is just not correct at all
What about Shaw at cb?
Can you guys do a video on how Barcelona cant seem to make a note in Europe yet they somehow seem to have Real Madrid, one of the best teams in the world right now, in their back pocket
Players are never in the wrong position , only in the eye of stuck in the past leagues and clubs . Total football created in the netherlands all players must be able to play each position . Van gaal used dirk kuyt as wing back left and righ winger in 2014 . Koeman used virgil van dijk as striker mid way in game back in the 2018 national team .
Al players rotate in dutch teams . even AZ alkmaar used suguware a wing back as right winger scoring several goals in the prosses . As dutch teams dont have a designated striker , most goals come from the rest of the team .
All depends on what team they are playing against
Is it just me or does Weghorst barely win possession of long balls played to him, like by De Gea? I know we're midway teambuilding but it makes me really uncomfortable every time a long ball is played into the middle when we're not counter attacking....
damn antony diss video it felt đđđ
I think the last 2 games Ten hag has played Fernandes deeper even
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I don't feel that's the case bro Antony has the pace go see his clips he is one of the fastest players in fifa too it's just that my guy plays dumb football and needs a whole pre season to develop his game where he can finally start having the confidence of using his right foot
maybe do a video on Antony next cuz i really don't get it about him... whenever i see him he's either cutting in and taking shots with his left foot or passing the ball back! doesn't really take on players much for which we signed him, irritating sometimes.
after the spin against sheriff (i believe pls correct me if ive selected the wrong opponent) casemiro makes an underlapping run which antony then attempts to find. you dont see that kinda run from bruno or dalot when antony is on the touch line which means he'll end up passing back
Isn't weghorst's midfield role similar to fellaini's?
Luke Shaw is now a CB playing at LB & Sancho IS a 10/attacking mid.
Bruno is a very average footballer but because he's high energy EtH says he's cool (for now). Considering what Ten Hag's prime Ajax looked like, within a year from now Bruno will not be in the starting lineup unless he MASSIVELY improves on his ball retention and decision making/passing.
50 odd percent pass accuracy in a possession based system from a "creative midfielder" is disgraceful and unacceptable.
jj is real student of the game at tifo .. another one where he admires the coach and club about what they are trying to do .. not like those scumbags joe and bailey who like to sarcastic commnet about united ...
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T-shirt is last time we(Scotland) were at a world cup.
France 98, what a tournament đ
This is why United is now a far superior team than ever were under Ole. Some fans try to justify with misleading arguments like the finishing positions and the top 6 record, but went behind far too often against teams that sat deep. United were utterly clueless when the opposition didn't want the ball, but this season the players look like they know they have a plan/routines to try to break through when they arrive in the final third.
ETH will still need to swap out a few players including De Gea. It's quite clear that Weghorst isn't his first choice, but remains a better option to fix De Gea's generally poor ability on the ball and also presses far better than Ronaldo ever would. I don't think he rates either of McFred, and the right flank (RB/RW) positions may still need some addressing.
This is all well and good now but this counter attacking style can only go so far before itâs found out. United are a long way off competing. They donât even face deep blocks.
My guy wants to reveal every united tactics luckily no team will see this
Tea Bag is #1
Just like why Arteta play Saka in numerous position
Weghorst is the most "misplaced" player in the Ten Haag system
You know nothing about football...
He misses chances, we all know that. But if he's found a bit more by Rashford. You'll see him different.
Just look at Rashford's chance against Betis in the second leg where he skyrocketted the ball
You really don't have football knowledge
Players around him are stingy
Dude almost never received any service at all and the "chances" he received are loose balls and really fast and unexpected deflections. You could say he should score those chances but ffs, he's not Falcao or Cavani. He's contributing so much in other areas so, it's good enough for now.
All of his qualities literally show he is a solid number 10.
Erik could've easily solved the right wing problem had greenwood doesnt mangled with the case he'd gone with. just like how Erik transform Fred or Aaron, I do believe he could unlocked Mason's potential to a greater extent. its debatable yeah, and what he did its unforgivable. but I still hope that the man gets a chance in ten hag futures. and amad as well
Greenwood will play next season and Amad Diallo is coming back. Pellistri is also a good right winger. Next season will be awesome for MUFC.
Greenwood ain't a really right winger. He was only playing there because Ole preferred to run Martial/Rashford into the ground but I hope Greenwood comes back. There's no way EtH doesn't turn him into a top 3 striker đ„
Because Ten Hag is testing
basically, eTH is trying his best with what he has ...
1. With Eriksen injured, he has Bruno as the only creator and Bruno being a team players goes around,
2. Wout's finishing is atrocious, so he gets positioned depending on the opposition player he is tasked to hassle with pressing,
3. Sancho is just disappointing, does nothing on right, team suffers with him & not Rashy on left, too weak to play 9, so trying to fit him somewhere around 10 area.
Weghorst, the Target Enganche every strikerless manager has used in FM for a decade
id love to see martinez and shaw play as a central midfielder
Martinez started as midfielder at Ajax, Ten Hag saw him more as centre back. You know the rest.
In summary: injuries
and bruno played CDM today đł
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At times I think we play confusion footballlđ
Ten hag at the wheel
Garnacho is a winger??
Ten Hag is trying to turn Fernandes into a Mezzala like De Bruyne, who likes to drift wide before delivering through balls and crosses into the runners
Two simple answers injuries or suspensions and not having the right players