CHILL OUT! - How To Wire LS Swap A/C SYSTEM - 1985 Chevy C10 Square Body - UTX
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- čas přidán 21. 07. 2022
- Today at Ugly Truck, we've got our air conditioning system installed, and we're just a few wires away from ICE COLD AC! We use the OEM HVAC control module so that the PCM controls the system and can adjust the engine idle when the compressor kicks on. And on that note, the 85 C10 5.3 LS swap is complete!
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This is exactly the video I was looking for after gutting the 64’s AC/Heat!
Another great video, I always like watching your videos. Always a good learning video!
Thanks Scott! There's plenty more on the way! 😁
Just wanted to send over a thank you. Just finished up installing a Sanden 508 compressor w/ the Chap Performance bracket on my 5.3 swap. Used the Aeroquip EZ Clip hose to make the lines and the automatic AC control module and it worked perfectly! Thank you for this video.
🤩🤩 Thank you, thank you! We're so glad it helped you out! Jerry actually just wired up this AC module on the red 86 C10 swap today... Must be that time of year! 😁 We appreciate your support, Arthur!!
Your a wealth of information, thank you for sharing.
Thanks Randy. We appreciate that. Thanks for watching and your great comments. Jerry
Thanks, for another great video!👍🏼
Thanks for watching!
I'm trying to use a whole blower box and hvac parts for a 82 c10.This helps alot thanks !!!!
Glad to help. We appreciate you watching and let us know how it is going. Thanks
Great a/c video
Nicely done!
Thanks! We appreciate you watching!
Heading to the black hills of SD for a family vacation. Already packed my UTE shirt! Great video
That sounds great. It is 100 degrees and up this week so South Dakota would probably feel pretty nice. Thanks for your support and spreading the Ugly Truck Experience. Jerry
@@UglyTruckExperience If it gets to hot we're going to check out some caves. I guess they stay 50 degrees year round. It was 91 today in Minnesota
Another great video guys. What a great idea. Thanks as always.
Thanks for watching! Let us know how that Vintage Air system works out. We're interested in doing one on our '70 C10.
@@UglyTruckExperience It seems that the Vintage Air and others suggest you use their compressor (Sanden 508). It seems the stock GM style compressor is a variable displacement compressor and has been known not to play nice with Vintage Air Systems. Probably going with a Sanden style low mount aftermarket mount which uses the stock crank pulley. Curious if the Sanden compressor will load down the engine. Seems mixed on LS swaps. Some say no problem , some have stalling issues. Does your workaround kick up the idle? I did not notice much change in the video. Or maybe I just need to chill and cross that road if it needs crossed, LOL
Yes, doing it this way it controls the idle the same as it would in the original 2005 that it came out of. When you turn the ac on it slowly brings the idle up just a bit anticipating it coming on. You don't even notice when the compressor kicks on. It idles so low with ac off that it would definitely stall if it wasn't controlled by computer.
@@UglyTruckExperience Perfect. You guys saved me a lot of time. Thanks
Thanks again good teacher
Thanks Cesar!
On my 84 silverado , i used the stock ls compressor,,, and stock a/c controls, plus ls pcm commands the a/c request,, & fans,,, Nice truck 👍
Where are the controls mounted?
@@UglyTruckExperience @ 84 silverado, a/c stock location, luckily this truck was equipped with a/c from factory,,
I think the pcm only needs an a/c request which is most likely a simple ground and that will idle up the engine, so the rest is all factory 84 a/c!
@@genechoate5020 @ the only factory a/c part on my 84 its the control,, the wiring its the stock ls 04, includes the 3 pin sensor transducer,,, so it can turn on and off fans, also off at highway speeds,,, unlike the 99-02 pcms
@@gerardolopez5875 I was thinking of the 99-02 which was way more simple, but I’ve been talking to a buddy about this and we’re going to do some experimenting and also look at hp tuners.
Thanks!
😵 Wow, thank you so much!! We appreciate the support!!! 👍👍
Good work! There has to be a way to hook up ac without the Donor truck controller. Ilathe most simple way of controlling ac is with the original if possible. I’ll have to look more into it. If not, I’ll use this method. It works, not too long to hook up, and it could be hidden relatively good and no interference of the feet. I have a overhead consol in my burb so maybe an independent switch of some sort somewhere.
It definitely seems like someone would have come up with something by now, but this is the best solution we've found. And definitely the cheapest... These modules are pretty plentiful and affordable. If you do come up with something, be sure to let us know! We're always interested in different solutions. 👍 Thanks for watching! --Emily
@@UglyTruckExperience oh I will. Even a simple push button for the PCM. Idk I’ll try and work on something. Especially if you buy just an engine and a harness rather than the whole vehicle. Today, whole vehicles are expensive
in the green blue ecms the only ones that are happy to adjust idle, energize a fan and clutch etc. without data from a module are the van pcms or red/ blues. energize on pin 17 on C2 connector. If you have a yukon/silverado etc. ecm this is the only way I know of.
your the best great job aaaa++++ work
Thank you David. My first A+ ever.. We appreciate you watching. Jerry
Can I come work with you in your garage you don't even have to pay me.... You are the guru I need guidance from, attempting my first LS swap in my 75 caprice wish me luck, thanks to your videos I have quite a bit more confidence diving into it thank you keep the vids coming
🤣🤣 We're so glad to hear our videos have been helpful! We haven't personally swapped a Caprice, but if you have any questions, we'll be glad to help! Best of luck!
Recently I bought a 1999 GMC Sierra but no AC. Fortunately I am able to get all of the Factory AC parts from Jackyards. Now I have ideas how to install the factory AC. Thanks again
That is great. Thank you for watching. We appreciate it. Jerry and Emily
If you put a small box end wrench over your wires then pull it through the loom your wires slide write in
That is a great idea. I will give that a try. Thanks
Lol, instead of coffee and rides it's Puppies and Swaps. I have 3 rescues. They are my brats.
Man I think this is the best channel I'm working on a 1990 silverado 5.3 700r4 swap my only concern is the detent cable what would you recommend drive by wire or drive by cable I'm sure i will have to have a longer cable if I don't install at the gas pedal
You would probably be better off going with a drive by cable . That cable that comes from the 700r4 is a throttle vacuum cable that has to be adjusted just right to make them work right. I have never used a 700r just for that reason. That cable poses a pretty good problem. Let us know how it goes. Thanks for watching.
Get it together, stock up on those white whiteboard markers! 😂
🤣🤣 We did get a bunch of new colors! You can see them in action here! 😉 czcams.com/video/dNoitkoesSY/video.html
What type of signal is the blue a12 wire sending to the module? Is it ground, 12v or 5v? I’m trying to use the HVAC module on a Vintage Air system with a trinary switch that also runs the fans. Trying to figure witch side of the switch to use. Thanks for all of your great Video!!
Hey Randy. That blue wire passes through the low pressure switch and is just a source to ground....Thanks for watching. Jerry and Emily
Fyi those self soldering,/heat shrink connectors fail frequently, the low temp solder tends to crack very often the crimp and seal connectors are better
Thanks, I have my issues with all of them. In a perfect world I would have each wire terminated at it's connector and not use any connectors at all. Jerry
Jerry needs a White lab coat for white board time.
Don't give him any ideas! 🤦
@@UglyTruckExperience Professor Jerry, LS swap mad scientist.
🤣🤣 I'm getting serious Doc Brown vibes...
@@UglyTruckExperience gotta go back in time to save all the ugly trucks
We saved another one just this week. 74 c20 your going to love it.
So I am doing the same thing on a LS swap on a K20 with a LQ9. So I get the jist of what you are doing on wiring, but what did you do for AC hoses to screw in the pressure sensors?
Hey Side Hustle! We appreciate you tuning in! Check out this video where we explain and install the rest of the AC system. czcams.com/video/A4nrGG5hxjI/video.html
What model of compresor you guys used tank you for the help 😀👍🏼
Thanks for watching! We used an A4 compressor on this truck.
I’m trying to understand why? I have an 87 suburban with factory ac and planning on using factory ac pump with lq4. Will the factory equipment not work for some reason with the ls, or is the modern computer just better at controlling ac pump? Love all the videos and appreciate the work you do.
Hello Ed. The LS engine just works better if it is controlling the AC. When the AC is turned on it starts bringing up the idle, getting ready for the compressor to come on and It also cycles the AC using the high side pressure. It is just less noticeable when running and more efficient especially with electric fans. We appreciate you watching. Jerry and Emily
there has to be a better way? This swap is crazy complicated and well done but for those of use looking for a aftermarket harness swap without a donor who do we wire up the AC? Do you have a video on that?
If you're using an aftermarket ECM with the aftermarket harness, some of them will control the idle like the OEM PCM. But we've talked to a lot of folks with a lot of experience with LS swaps, and using this module is the only way we've found to do it with the OEM computer. All of our swaps are stock and reuse as many original parts as possible to keep the overall cost down and to make replacement parts easier to find, so we've never used an aftermarket system on our swaps. We're always curious to hear of another way, so be sure to let us know what you figure out. Thanks for watching, and Happy Holidays! --Emily and Jerry
I'm also using a 2005 Suburban as a donor... what's with this year of suburban that makes everyone scrap them out? My 04 Avalanche is hanging in there!
I've wondered that too! 🤣 Thanks for watching!
It is a pressure switch that was on the high side of the stock ac system in the donor truck, but I take it that you only need to wire your method to the low pressure switch?
Hello Terry. This system uses all of the original wiring in the donor harness to run the AC system. The LS uses that high side pressure sensor to cycle the AC system like normal and the trucks original low side switch on the receiver dryer is used also. That low side switch is wired to the AC processor and just lets it know that it is not low on refrigerant, allowing the processor to go ahead and tell the ECM to run the AC. Hope that answers your question. Thanks for watching. Jerry and Emily
Same folks?Dang!
Hum/ok/cool/ohhh/um hum.yeah/yeah.
Dose this work on the original 2003 5.3 compressor also the pressure switch connected to a12 the blue wire where the other wire goes to on pressure switch
Hello Darren. This does work in the same manner on a 2003. I am not sure what you are asking about the blue wire. Would need some more info on what you are swapping. Jerry
do you happen to know the wiring for the 99-2000 a/c module. it's the one with 3 dials on it and 3 buttons
What is your 99-2000? Make and model?
Does this work in cars as well I have a 2004 avalanche fuse box, engine, and transmission in a 1989 Cadillac Brougham
On that Cadillac you would need to find the Dark Blue wire that comes from the Electronic climate control power module. It tees off and goes to the AC cutout relay and also goes to the cars original ecm. They end up being Lt. Green at both of those. That wire would be used to turn 2004 module on to communicate with your new ecm. That's a pretty cool swap. Hope this helps. Thanks
Is this possible to with a stand alone harness with the donor control panel?
Would depend on where you get your harness from. Some of those companies make the harness for whatever your needs are. If not, you could always add the wires to the ecm connectors that you need for AC. Thanks. Jerry
I'm doing a swap in my 03' Crown Vic P71. Can I use my a/c switches to the Gm ECU to make the a/c work. Or is it better to get this module?
Never mind. I guess if I watch the whole video before I ask questions I would get my answer lol
Haha! Yes, unfortunately there's a module in that HVAC unit, so you have to use it. But you can hide it somewhere and leave it set on AC, and just use your original switches to trigger it. We appreciate you watching!
I noticed that you swapped the radiator and electric fans from the donor vehicle. Did you also swap the ac condenser from the donor? If not, what condenser did you use?
I put in a brand new condenser. Ordered one for the 85 c10. Had to bend its tubes out to the right side to clear that hd radiator. Using that condenser and compressor I was able to use factory lines and did not have to mess with making my own ac hoses.
@@UglyTruckExperience Thank you for sharing your knowledge. It sure helps us all out without having to spin our wheels so much. Have a wonderful weekend.
We're always glad to help. It's been awesome to meet so many new people and hear about their projects. Thanks, and best of luck!
I'm trying to get the high side pressure signal to the pcm. The high side switch I have on my 84 c10 is a 2 wire that is held into the back of the R4 compressor by a snap ring. The plug coming from my LS harness is a 3 wire. How did you get the 3 wire ls pressure switch to work with this setup? Did your hoses have a pressure fitting on the high side to fit a 3 wire LS switch? or did you somehow adapt the harness to work with a 2 wire switch? Thanks!
What year of donor motor, harness, and ecm are you working with? Jerry
@@UglyTruckExperience it’s a 2005 Yukon lq4 6.0 with the green/blue plug pcm
The LS 3 wire plug is actually going to what is referred to as a transducer. It receives 5 volts reference, a ground and then a signal determining the actual pressure. You will have to have that 3 wire transducer. The only ones that I have seen thread onto a schrader valve on the high pressure line. If you don't have one you may have add one to the line. That switch that was originally on you 84 is just a on and off switch. On some AC high side fittings, they are threaded on so you can remove the service fittings. I have used that and then just read my high side with a scan tool. I hope this helps. Jerry
@@UglyTruckExperience Awesome! thank you for your help Jerry!
Those little "keys" on connectors to allow them to fit only one mate is called a "key" or "keyed" or "keying".
Yes, once in a while I will have the word for something like that in my head but they slip my mind when the camera is shoved in my face. Thanks
With a stand alone harness (bp auto) I need to wire the compressor up to be fired. Would i still us that light green wire? Or us the dark green in just situation?
Hi Shaun! Give us just a bit and I'll have Jerry take a look at this!
Hello Shaun. The Dark Green wire would be the wire that powers the Compressor. If the original wiring is all still there, that wire will have power with the AC switch on. It passes through the switch mounted on the accumulator, so it won't have power without the system being full of refrigerant. You can jumper that switch to confirm power at Dark Green with key on and AC on . Or just check the light green wire at the accumulator switch for power. That switch closes and provides power to the Dark Green. Hope that helps. Jerry
That's what I needed! Thank you!
What a/c assembly hoses did you use
I use 85 high side line going to evaporator and then I use a Murray 55468 suction and discharge line assembly.
I see colors are very importan but I´m color blinde :(
thankx for sharing your knowledge
We appreciate you watching! 👋
How is that a problem if he gives you the pinout?
Can you make the manuel switch to an automatic?
I have 85 Camaro trying to make 2020 interior a/c control work
Hello Diego. Your going to have to use a body control module along with the AC module. We are going to be getting into that very soon. Jerry
@@UglyTruckExperience subscribed viewer I’ll be on the lookout thank you for responding
Did you have to add and wire the 2005 suburban ac transducers sensor to the system and the Ecm as well?
Hello Gabriel. All of the original air conditioning wiring from the donor ls is all completely the same. No wires added anywhere. Thanks for watching. Jerry and Emily
@@UglyTruckExperience I tried to connect same set up as mentioned on video, however when I turn the ac on, and the hvac module turns on as well, neither of the fans and idle come on, that’s why I asked if this sensor is needed, schematics from suburban 2005 shows the low pressure switch and this tranduser sensor, called ac refrigerant pressure sensor on schematics
What year is your donor harness and computer and yes it does have to have the transducer to cycle the pump and turn the fans on. Not all years work the same so I am wondering what year you are working with. Jerry
@@UglyTruckExperience my donor is coming from a 2005 Tahoe, ecm service number is 12589463, blue and green connector, then I do have to adapt this sensor to my truck lines and then connect to the ecm right?
Yes. It will require that pressure sensor in the high side and the low side sensor. The wiring should already be there to the ecm unless it has been removed for some reason.
I'm still here waiting for 1,00,000
You and me both. We will get there. Thanks Jerry
do you know how to do the wiring on a 2005 LT 1500 gm base model for the black plug
Hello Omar. Let me know a little about what you are trying to wire and I can try to help? Jerry
@@UglyTruckExperience do u have insta or any social so i can explain better?
@@UglyTruckExperience well its a 2005 lt extended cab gm base model it has a stock climate change and im trynna do a ls climate change and i need help wiring where the other conector goes in witch on the ls climate control says silver
What ac suction hoses did you use ?
The suction hose is a GM 1530281. Thanks for tuning in!
As always, great video! Might I suggest a video that covers everything someone might need to know to hook up an LS compressor to a squarebody system? I've been googling things such as which condenser to use, which hoses to use, if the hoses need customized, which switches to use (and if they need swapped out), etc. I'm finding bits and pieces but nothing that covers from beginning to end. Maybe you do have this video already and I've just failed to unbury it?
Hey Brandon. We do not have that video, but it is one that I have always wanted to cover. I'm going to be doing one here soon and will try to do a video. Thanks for asking about it and watching our channel. We need to know what people are wanting to see. Thanks. Jerry and Emily
That would be super helpful! I’m putting a 5.3 in a bullnose Ford but think I could figure it out with some of your whiteboard guidance! Your mechanical expertise with your wife’s crisp clear diagrams really makes it easy to understand!
What switch did you use on the accumulator? The squarebody accumulator has 7/16 x 20 threads and the ls switch is 12mm x 1.5.
What year is your squarebody?
@@UglyTruckExperience 1984
I use the original 84 low pressure switch on those. I splice the wires from the LS harness to the two that are on the original plug. It is just a open and closed switch that tells the AC module it is ok to fire up the AC so it doesn't matter what wires at that plug you connect to, as long as you are using the LS wiring to control the AC through the high pressure switch. Thanks. Jerry
@@UglyTruckExperience awesome. I’ll give it a try. Thanks for the quick reply
So I did use the old low pressure switch like you recommended. However, I don’t have a high pressure switch. This is why my system is not working? Where would I be able to put a high pressure switch? It looks like yours is in the ac line. I don’t have this
is there a way to use the stock ac compressor or does it not fit?
The stock compressor was a v belt pulley. You could probably change the clutch and pulley, drain all the oil out of compressor and try it with pag oil and R134. Probably just easier to buy a different compressor though. Thanks
is this possible to do on a standalone harness
Yes it is.
Anyone notice the cat in the background lol 😹
She's a little camera shy. 😹 Thanks for watching!
Can I use the oem from my 86 c10 fuse box to run the the 10 amp fuse ?
I think you are talking about the 10 amp fuse that goes to ignition 3 at the pcm and is hot in run. Yes you could.
Also how do you control the heat with the old ac control unit
Hi
What state are you located so i can take you my c10 to get the a/c system installed
We are located in Springfield Mo. What do you have for a truck? Jerry
Can you clear up 2 points for me on this, please. 1, there is no need for the high pressure signal with this method? And 2, given the lack of high side signal is this something you had to have the PCM programmer accomodate in his tune?
Thanks UTX!
Hello Nick. The wiring harness that I use is the stock harness that plugs into the original high side sensor. So the wiring for the A/C is all there and still uses that high side signal for cycling the system. The only difference in the system is how I get the computer to turn it on. Hope that answers your question. Thanks Jerry
@@UglyTruckExperience thanks Jerry. I guess I'm just not clear on where the refrigerant pressure sensor is located. This plug is part of my stock harness and then the sensor is installed into a high side line? Very new to the world of AC but it seems the hoods I popped open on newer cars have the sensor in the line. Thanks again.
Yeah, I think this is what I was missing. I feel sure it gets placed on a shrader valve port on the high side line. Thanks for replying, I owe you both!
On that truck the suction/discharge hose that I used had the valve installed in the discharge side of the line for me. When I don't use a similar hose or am having to make my own I just have to get that high side valve in there somewhere. Depending on what compressor you are using, some of them have a plug in the back that is optional for the high side sensor. It's that time of year. Everybody wants their AC running. Thanks NIck. Jerry
So is this just to let the ecm know the ac is on so it idles up the engine and turns the fan on, and the original head unit is actually what turns the ac system on?
Hello Terry. Yes, that switch from the donor is a module that talks in computer language to the ECM through a data connection. By turning it on, it tells the ECM to run the AC like it should. This is mounted under the dash and the original switch on this truck just turns it on. Thanks for watching. Jerry and Emily
Do you still have to wire in the transducer as well
Not sure what you are meaning by the transducer? Jerry
Can you go into detail on the compressor used and the mounting bracket used?
Also does the ls pcm control the compressor or does it use the factory 85 hvac controls?
On this 85 I used a Dirty Dingo compressor adapter and use a R4 compressor. The original 85 hvac system is used to turn on the 2005 control module that ends up sending a data signal to the pcm to turn on the ac. The 2005 control module is hidden under dash so the 85 controls appear to be doing all the work. Thanks
What do you use to turn it on if you have a car that didn't have ac so no existing switch?
Hello Alex. You would just need a on/off switch that would supply power to that module. When the module is powered on it will remember that the ac was on and send message to ECM through data connection. What year is donor motor and wiring?
Thanks Don't have a donor yet. All the donors here seem to be over 200k miles. Still looking. Does the auto temp on that module work once it is on?
If you use that automatic air module, once you power it up and turn the AC button on it remembers that it was on. The modules that are not Auto do not remember that. Good luck on your donor search. Jerry
Is that the Accumulator out of the donor vehicle?
That would have been a new one for the 85 c10. The donor accumulator has totally different fittings. We are going to have another AC video coming out that will get into more of those parts. Thanks for watching. Jerry and Emily
@@UglyTruckExperience that would be awesome. I don’t see how my factory condenser is going to work using this NBS Radiator and eFans out of a Denali.
Is it fully functional as far as fan speed or is this more of a switch
That module is just being used as a switch to let the ecm know to turn ac on. All of the functions in the original truck are controlled like normal. Thanks Jerry
@UglyTruckExperience would this work with just a ecm and the harness and no bcm
Hi Smoove, that's correct. This swap doesn't have a BCM.
So this truck didn't come factory with A/C?
Hello Luther. Yes, this truck has factory AC. A LS controls it's AC in a different way from how they were run in 1985. This video is showing how to run the AC using the LS computer making everything work properly. Thanks for watching. Jerry
@@UglyTruckExperience I plan on running a Holley Terminator X Control for my 86 C10. Do I still have to do this?
I believe the Holley has a input to let it know that the ac is turned on. Runs the fans if using electric, and helps maintain the idle. Jerry
You can just send 12+ to pin 17 on the PCM for the idle kick.
Pin 17 on this ecm from a 2004 suburban goes to the Range b on c1 of connector 1 which indicates 3rd gear, pin 17 on connector 2 of ecm does not exist. What wiring diagram are you looking at? Are you talking about connector 1 or 2 at the ecm? How is that 12+ switched on and off? I would like to understand how that would work. Thanks
Can you a2000 Chevy A/C Control my dinner is A 2000 Chevy Silverado ?
On that truck the AC module does not communicate with the ecm through a data connection so It makes it a bit easier. In order to turn AC on you would need to supply power to the light blue wire at the high pressure cut off switch to turn ac on and off.
Thank you for the information
If I wanted to do that to my K5 blazer how much would that cost me
Are you asking about the cost of the parts or the cost of parts and having someone install it all also?
I have a k5 blazer and I was just wondering how much to pay for what you guys have done to that truck just a guesstimate
That truck added up quick. It just left our shop yesterday with a total bill of roughly 8500.00. That is parts and labor. At that price we really did not make a profit. I would be really curious to see what shops out there are charging for this type of work. If you get some idea, let us know. Thanks
thanks😎 I like your content
Just use a r4 compressor
I believe we did use a R4 on this swap. Thanks for watching. Jerry and Emily
Are u using this a/c control box just to get a ac signal for the p59 pcms? I can tell u how to set up a p59 without using that at all !!!
Yes, The ac signal to that pcm is done through a data connection from that ac control box.
@@UglyTruckExperience I can tell u a different way to setup up the ac signal on a p59 pcm and u won’t need that ac control box at all
We'd love to hear it! We always like hearing different solutions.
I’ve done many P59 Pcms so far for friends and also my Ls swap projects by this Mod and ac works perfect
@@UglyTruckExperience if u can’t find it I can send it thru a email address and send u the link if u have trouble finding it
Wiring makes my head hurt🙃... even when done by a master
I hear ya! Wiring is not my area of expertise, but I'm learning more every day. I'm hoping someday it'll just "click" in my head and make sense. 😁 Sorry we made your head hurt, but thanks for watching anyway! 🤣 --Emily
So you’ll have 2 ac panels
The module from the donor motor gets mounted up under the dash out of sight. It is just a method to get the module to send a message to the ecm through a data connection to get computer to turn on AC. Thanks oldschool. Jerry
butt. lol.
Glad someone appreciates my jokes! 😂 Thanks for watching!