6010 Downhill Welding open root 8” pipe
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Welcome back to Schofield Welding. In. This episode we are talking about 6010 Hobart Rod down hill welding. Okay so most of you know Fab Tech is well on its way here which we are excited about. We have been asked to do some welding demonstrations at the Miller welding booth, the Lincoln welding booth, ESAB welding booth, hypertherm plasma booth and quite a few others. The demo at the miller welding booth is a downhill Hobart 6010 bead and Hobart 8010 out to the cap. So before this video I had only actually welded with this rod on 3 previous coupons and let’s be honost, it didn’t go great. That rod was giving me trouble on my root pass. Undercutting EVERYTHING!!!! suck back excessive bead you name it it did it. So in this video you guys can come with me as we figure out how to weld with it. Be blessed - Zábava
You are a stand up dude Jacob. It takes a grown ass man to admit his mistakes. You are a role model son.
Robert Thank you very much really means a bunch.
I took a welding class in high school, but became an architect. I love my career, but I really enjoyed welding. Watching your videos makes we want to go back to class to brush up on my skills and make a hobby or side gig with it!
Keep on keeping on Schofield!! You care, and that’s what makes you, You!!
Thanks for the educational video. It was nice meeting you at Fab Tech for the downhill demonstration.
Great video Jacob, love the honesty in your work so pleasing to see you get the bottom to stand in. Nice hoodies to bro.
Thanks Richard really means a bunch.
I normally use the DCEP, DCEN, AC vernacular, there's never any confusion that way.
"straight" and "reverse" polarity are kind of old school terms IMHO. I never use them because of the confusion. It's especially confusing when you think about things like automotive, where generally (99.99% of the time except in some really really old big rigs and whatnot) "ground" is negative so when I think "reverse polarity" my mind always goes to "ground positive" which is "straight" polarity in welding... I'm not a welder btw, even though I ran welders day in and day out for a few years. I still love "hot gluing metal" though!
Super helpful this is the project I'm working on in my class at the moment thanks a lot man
Always Learning, that's part of what makes welding fun Great Video nice tutorial, nice job. Thanks
Jacob I own a lawn mowing company and tree service . Watching your video's has got me very interested in learning how to weld. Thank you for your time and videos.
Always learning. Always moving forward. I watch the last one and had questions about that and figured it would be good with the procedure for a gas company. But it’s all about learning. Great video. Hands down the best welding channel on CZcams. Thank you sir!!
absolutly humbling thank you very much that really does mean a lot.
hey man i been pipelining for a little over 15yrs and we all learn something new everyday so dont be hard on yourself most ppl cant do what we do everyday and be away from home all at the same time you do good keep it up brother maybe we will run into each other on a job one day out on the line :)
Hi, nice to see u are learning what ur friend said it was true, I also did welding at the training center I find also little confused too I was told, always start welding from the bottom to the top, but u did downward. I wish I have that kind of job u have.
thanks a lot great post, watched it at 02:04 AM, went through the whole video
Way to be open and honest and as always, humble! Great welding channel man!
I’ve also heard that the Hobart 7018 xlm’s are nice to but haven’t tried those yet!
Yes, I could tell right away that it sounded different as soon as you put those tacks in.
looks great jake!!
Bro, you make this ish look so easy.
Good video Jacob. I just always remember it as DCSP meaning electrode is the Negative (-) and ground was Positive(+). That was for SMAW. DCRP was just reverse of DCSP. My problem was trying to remember what rod run in which polarity. I know some rods will run in both AC, DC, DCSP and DCRP until I found a little chart in a book one time and I recorded it in my pipe fitters blue book.
Positions: (3rd digit in a 4 digit rod)
1 -- Indicates all positions for rods
2 - Flat or horizontal
3 - deep groove
Current: ( Last digit in 4 digit rod)
0 - DCRP only
1 - AC and DCRP
2 - AC and DCSP
3 - AC and DC
4 - AC and DC
5 - DCRP only
6 - AC and DCRP
8 - AC and DCRP
Hope that helps someone.
that camper park reminds me of a place i stayed at called North Gold RV park in Ross, ND.
When I started It was explained to me by being told to think about senators and representatives. Straight= Sen. Reverse=Rep. So then SEN stands for Straight-Electrode-Negative. The REP is Reverse-Electrode-Positive.
Great advice daniel thank you.
Keep up the good work brother!
You don’t need to be a text book to be a master at your craft.
True for sure. but I think sometimes I need to study what im trying to talk about a little so it makes a little more sence lol hahah.
Nice stormy Kromer you’re rocking in the beginning of the video!
Got to say Dylan greatest cold weather hat ever.
Hey buddy the way I remember is rod positive for reverse polarity you'll have to look it up but one way two-thirds of the heat is on the rod and a third is on your ground the other way is two-thirds of your heat is on your ground and 1/3 on your rod been hit in the head too many times to remember stuff like that now thanks for the videos I learn something every time be safe out there
Thats great info thank you Will.
How well does your wild rag hold up welding? I'm partial to the silk ones, but wouldn't want to burn them up.
RIP = reverse is positive SIN = straight is negative, that's how i remember it.
Joe Schmoe I use RP for rod positive
Both good ways to keep the terms "straight" instead of "reverse" like I seem to always get them!
@Jacob Schofield What shade do you run in your helmet and is it an auto darkening lens? By the way great video
Looked good buddy good job
Never really thought about. Always figured DCEP was straight polarity and DCEN reverse. I guess maybe because I mostly do MIG and that is always DCEP.
Looks like you're winning.....like the video.Stick with the winners and never lose the focus.
Remember kids, if you run TIG on reverse polarity you'll send all the heat into the tungsten and melt that sucker.
Yes, reverse polarity for a 6010 ,7018, your lo-hy's, but straight polarity works best for a 6011, 7024, 6013 etc...polarity depends on the rod's characteristics.
How come most people call them lo-hi's? :D
I'm not a pro welder by any stretch (ran a welder for a couple years at work 20 years ago, but I never considered myself a "welder") but I'm a geek, and try to learn as much as possible - I'm basically a hobby welder.
So my understanding is it's all about the flux. All these charts I see kind of contradict each other, but what I gather - almost ALL rods (flux types) are "rated" for DCEP, some are also capable (and from what you say possibly are BETTER) good for DCEN, and a couple are even rated for A/C like the old tombstones.
From what I gather - 6010 and 7018 are DCEP only, 6011, and 6013 (which I've never used) can use DCEP, DCEN, or even A/C - and there's a 7018AC rod thats supposed to be ok for AC too? One guy was telling me that if you want shallower penetration with a smoother bead - use DCEN on 6011 / 6013 even though you CAN use DCEP on 6011 to burn through heavy rust or get deeper penetration.
Not sure though - I mostly run mig like a know nothing hobbyist! :D
"How come most people call them lo-hi's?
'Because they spell hydrogen with an I...dumb welders!!! :D@@notsure7874
@@brianmcmillan7426 Well somehow I can interpret and read "dumb welder" but ... most welders I know are a LOT smarter than they let on ;)
You are as real as they get. As enjoy your new videos. What kind of pipe stands are those? I am looking at getting some myself.
Yippy You did it!
I was wondering if you would re-do this video I didn't get to see it the first time
oh yeah trying to make sure we put out the right info and not just what I think it is hahaha. Im glad troy called and let me know.
Maybe Hobart will see this and make some adjustments to their rods. I guess they should change up the flux composition?
maybe I think it has a lot of potential for sure,
Dunno if itd be useful for you or not, but tweco makes a quick connector for your leads. I have a set hanging off my bobcat about 18 inches with the female ends and then my leads have the Male ends on them. I can disconnect my leads and store them in my truck and if I need more lead I have extension cords that I connect to. I dont pipe weld but I do a lot of onsite fabrication that doesn't allow me to park closer then 50 foot to where I'm welding so being able to bring extra cord along is pretty nice!
They quick connectors melt or burnt up pretty quick doing what we do man. Otherwise they’d be great. They’re also heavy. Holding a stinger in your hand 10-12 hrs a day you want your whip as light as possible.
for sure brother thank you for the tip. I didnt realize a guy could just reach up a switch from stick to tig by a turn of a knob. the miller machines do it all for you. lesson learned on my part no more switching leads.
The miller 400 pro you have to switch the leads and turn the knob. At least on mine 🤷🏻♂️
Lincoln 5P+. Nothing else.
Brandon b Lincoln has DROPPED the ball on welding rods bud. Same as machines. Esab makes the best LH rods now by far. Haven’t found any great bead rods. The 6p+ are better than 5p+ somewhat
i do run a bunch of that 5p+ ive been thinking about switching to 6p+
What exactly is the difference between 5p+ and 6p+? I burnt a few 6p+ but they were old and had been damp before.
Enbridge in Ontario Canada wants all contractors to use them. Never even heard of 6p+. I run a 78' 200 and a pipeliner 200D. So it's still the school of old gor this guy. Not a fan of computers in "dis-advantages" or any blue machine. But that's just me.
I hear you Brandon, I run a 1958 sa200. I love it
Hey Jacob, what’s the deal with grounding to your truck? Do you not worry about burning out your computer?
Can you rent storage c cans at trailer storage yards?
Jake what is the name brand of the jacket you are wearing. Great video as always. Thanks
‘Up in smoke’ welding supplies
Hey Jacob what is that mounted on the back of your truck? It almost looks like a mini BBQ.
It is a mini bbq. He has a video on how he made it. Also sells templates for you to make your own
Is this a new Hobart rod or the same old 6010 Hobart that they've always at
This is the new 610- 6010 problem is to me has way to much dig too it! Pipemaster 60 is junk! Fingernailing bad I think Hobart just needs to adjust flux comp. and this rod should be good to go! Hope we start seeing more Hobart rods used in the field their 418 7018 is awesome rod!
I was taught that 40 yrs. Ago. When it's all going to hell stop take a small break.
The millers I had in school I switch tig to stick or mig just like that. With the switch
They are awesome
@@JacobSchofield and I used Hobart rods
As I mentioned in the comments of the original video we here in middle Europe typically weld the root on dcen and fill/cap on dcep. We use Boehler Phoenix Cel and Fox Cel type rods and they run amazing this way as long as you have a machine with 90 or better 100V ocv. Welding these from 60V Lincolns sucks on light wall pipe. Even on standard and heavy wall it’s not as nice. We don’t get the Lincoln rods supplied here so I don’t know how they run. I think it’s again a different game.
So klay in Australia was telling me all about those bohlers. He says they are the only way to go. I really love there 7018 but thats all ive ever run from those brands.
Jacob Schofield their 7018 DMO Kb is cream. I can’t imagine how welding 7018s could be any better.
But I don’t think that you only change polarity when you change the program in your welder. Tig inverters normally put out lower volts and the voltage only changes a little by your arc length. Also in a tig mode there should be no arc force. Over here we have polarity switches or we change leads via dinse connectors.
Jacob, I wanna break out and weld pipe, I'm down in SW Florida. Teco energy has 8" pipe around. My question is to you what's your opinion on what to master, 8" or 12" x 12" branch? Any info would be great.
David Spennachio those two are at completely different skill levels
@@jerrypino5608 Just spoke with a 798 Man who is welding for Teco, told him my intention. He said most pipe around Florida is 8"and under also mentioned I should practice 12" on 12" branch, one 6010 and the other 7018.
6010 is an aggressive rod used for field work because of it's ability to cut through rust and paint due to it's high cellulose flux...it is only used with DC reverse polarity
Don't you always run reverse polarity with all dc rod ?
IF NOT, BURGER KING!!!!!!!!!!!
Whats your amps doing the root?
ты настоящий профессионал
I left a comment on your other video about respirators man wear one especially with asthma like symptoms. And as much as you weld the disposable respirators like you’ve showed in the past may held with particles but to keep fumes or gases out you gotta step up to the fully integrated respirator hoods that are battery powered. There pricey but Miller also sales one.
Resto Rods thank you sir really means a a lot you would comment and look after us. It’s hard for me to talk to the camera with one on but other then that we wear one probably 90% of the time.
Great video man. I learned a bunch of stuff myself. You can never know everything! loved the content
Thanks Steven really means a lot.
Didn't watch this one yet, but was wondering if you ever thought about uphill welding or if strictly pipeline downhill was just going to be your trait?
I can Weld uphill and be pretty decent with it. But as far as why so much downhill its because thats probably 90% of what we do. Thats why we show so much of it.
I'd recommend running the 6010 uphill if you are worried about penetration...and welding is not like bike riding...it's an art...painting with metal.
cant man its a downhill procedure. we would be in some serious trouble if they caught us running uphill.
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That helmet is cool, what brand is it? Looks like it is leather? Great video keep up the good work!
Looks like outlaw leather. Check out their website. They have nice hoods.
I do alot of non code downhill pipe running my truck. Building Salt water disposals ect. I run those hobart bead rods alot from tractor supply, i cant tell a whole lot of difference in them. But they're definitely not a 5p+ though. Didn't know they made 8010?
Jacob where do you get those hobart 8010? It would be great if they were cheaper. Working 1099 i usually buy my rods from laid of pipeliners lol.
Todd Smith go find you a high school where you work and make good friends with the ag teacher. Lincoln sells rods to all schools for $1 a lb even votech. That’s where I get my rods.
Dang, that would be nice. Im paying 240$ a box for 5.0 arc 80's at the store. If i can find them from a pipeliner they're 100$ a box usually.
oh yeah the 8010 dosnt run bad at all.
stick rods the electricity runs from the base metal up the rod. straight polarity the arc goes down the electrode to the ground if you don't know what polarity your on un hook the ground clamp if it sparks but never form a bead ur in straight polarity
in ontario for Enbridge gas(formally union gas) we have to root some fillet welds with 7018 DC electode positive. the qualification test is 3 days, 17 welds, and your allowed a 1/16th of a speck, in the root and the visual has to be near perfect. some guys are jedi's, some just make it through, most dont try, cause walking around shut downs playing hide and seek for 2500/week is easier with your simple 2inch pipe union test.
I’m non union pard. Never took a union test.
What welding cap are you using
Pipeline cloud now.
Those look like genuine Saskatchewan seal skin by Super Dave Osbourne!😃👍👍🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
I love some seal skin but a little out of my price range
Hobart 6010 runs great uphill more of a uphill rod
When you pull out a your stop the Uber a couple circles pull straight out
Use a cut off wheel if you're get Tight on one side or the other
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I am not a professional welder....but from my noob experience 6010 is DCEP ONLY...and 6011 is DECP and DCEN. Just to be clear "normal"(straight) polarity is from - (electrod) to + (work pice), reverse polarity is + (electrod) to - (work pice)!
6011 is for use on AC
So to better understand polarity and how it works you need to know the direction that electricity travels. In stick welding if the Electrode is positive the electron flow is from negative to positive. This means that a greater portion of the heat is in the work material before transferring to the rod to burn off the filler and flux. This generally makes for better penitration of the weldment and has a slower cooling because the parent metal has soaked all the heat which also has to do with end hardness. This is why code's specify polarity because the end weld will be in the perimeters of the testing done and that the engineers have designed the systems too those perimeters.
So in the case of Electrode negative, or straight polarity, electricity is flowing from the rod to the work. In this case a greater portion of the heat is in the rod making for a much wetter pudle and less penatraion. Also the hardness of the weldment will be harder because there is less heat in the parent metal and queches weld more as it cools giving more chance of cold cracking with rods not designed for it like 7024. It has heavier flux to slow the cooling but that's why it gives such a smooth flat weld with high deposition rates.
So in the case of running 6010 with Electrode negative it is not advised. If you are in a test and the inspector catches you, you can kiss that 300$ plus test good bye.
I was gonna say that doesn’t look like 8” on the thumbnail.
Got me tho
6010 takes lower amps. I am blessed everyday we stay America The Free!
Where is The Cap?
I thought you had to whip 6010s
I know this is an old video but of you have time and want to try it dip them in water they run way better
That’s so crazy my father in law said the same thing! 😂
I went to Hobart for school and that's all we ran granted I ran them up hill but I would immagin it would work for downhill. It took about 3 months for most of us to figure out the trick
If I could weld like that I’d just leave to coupon on my bumper drivin around so everyone can see.
Keep going Boer keep welding is the best thing in your life you can ever do because the Lord Jesus Christ keep going with that too brother and keep well then you’re a good welder and you’re a good teacher for me to learn everything what you do I’m fine Australia and I thank you for for showing us some of the stuff you do and that’s good LOL love you what are you doing thank you very much
Straight and reverse polarity are easy to remember if you use Congress as a mnemonic device. Senate: SEN - Straight Electrode Negative. House of representatives: REP - Reverse Electrode Positive.
oh thats freaking tricky I like that!
332 gap 1 8 60 10 for your route Try it 75 on your Weld machine
Now I haven't been welding long but the easiest rod for me is 7018 as for everyone else I'm sure but my 60xx dont look to hot so I just keep practicing I wanma get my 6010 to eventually look good but damn it looks like dog shit so I'll just keep practicing I haven't welded in a couple weeks now tho kinda missin it
They look great but so damn expense!!!!! uggh cant justify the price yet
they do cost some money but in my opinion if taken car of are by far the best PPE a guy can buy.
You ain’t no real welder making no real welder money if that’s the case
Jerry Pino your the type that is broke from buying dumb sh$t all the time and like to talk crap behind a keyboard. Way to be a scrub on my buddy’s channel. Lol haha :)
You should wear that coat when you stick weld it'll be funny
P90 metal name what
Try and find a 5 pound box of Hobart 418 7018-1 I know they arnt kept in a rod oven but holy cow talk about pretty nice rod! Sure washes in better then Excalibur’s! If you like them they also sell them in hermetically sealed boxes and cans! I think I’m gunna switch to these for awhile and see how I like them. So far I’m diggin them!
Maybe it’s not the polarity, maybe it’s the welder!?
Dustin I very well could be for sure. No doubt. I’m no golden arm just a regular guy that rig welds.
I will take that hood over a pancake all day.
The good ole, "Let's talk about polarity" talk
its a tough talk lol. I usually get lost somewhere in the conversation lol
Hell ya Canada in the houseee😂😂
Это костюм сварщика?
English 😆
Always Up Hill never down Hill Union Rule
Which union you with?
At least your honest and except it brother keep on keeping on
Thanks Brandon it means a bunch.
No problem man I've actually learned alot from you and the way you think so in a way thankyou.
All electricity goes from negative to positive
Dude you need some help here.
I was a welder for 42 years. My own shop for 29 years and my last eight years were with MY OWN PORTABLE TIG WELDING RIG in north dakota as a Certified 6G Restricted TIG//ALUMINUM 3" pipe welder, welding aluminum Electrical BUSS in coal power plant expansions and Windmill Farm Sub Stations. BAMMMM.
So now please,, allow me to explain the easy way to understand the THREE POLARITIES IN WELDING.
First stop thinking of reverse and straight,, and think of,, ""Electrode Positive and Electrode Negative"". ~~~ "Your Gun is HOT & the work is cold". OR, "Your Gun is COLD & the work is HOT".
1, AC current MELTS EXACTLY THE SAME VOLUME OF METAL, in both the 'welding rod' and the 'base metal'.
~ In the end your "VOLUME of MELTED filler metal will equal exactly the VOLUME of MELTED base metal.
2, DC Electrode POSITIVE,, the welding rod MELTS MORE THAN THE BASE METAL does,,
~ Good for (cap welds), minimal penetration, Big fat weld on top and LESS BURN THROUGH on thin metal. Because with the base metals BARELY MELTING at all, the filler metal PILES ON TOP with NO Burn through.
3, DC Electrode NEGATIVE ,,, the base metal MELTS MORE THAN THE WELDING ROD does.
~ Good for (root welds), MAXIMUM penetration, The Rod LASTS LONGER and the base metals melt more.
peace out pete
when you Tig you use both polarities depending on the material type.
Really. Strike an arc with tungsten on reverse polarity. Nuff said.
I don't think your route pass is gonna inspect good
learn the basics first
Drink a little less alcohol........you might be able to keep your polarity right! You've been a professional welder for 8 years, yet you still get confused on polarity? By the way, nice arc strike on the OUTSIDE of the bevel when you were tacking! It doesn't matter if the E6010 is Hobart, or ANY other brand of 5P, or 5P+ they ALL are DCEP/ or Reverse Polarity, If you have been welding them with a different polarity you have been doing it WRONG.
I dont drink Scotty. dude we where just trying something out. Thought we would bring you all with us while we did. As far as the 6010 they do run different. I prefer 5p+ I was taking a suggestion from one of my buddies from Australia so that’s what I did. Hope you have a better day today then you did yesterday.
@@JacobSchofield I never said 6010 rods don't run different, I said they are ALL DCEP/reverse polarity! But I still don't get why you would try it with different polarity because "a buddy suggested it"? The manufacturer of the rods specify DCEP for a reason! Why try to reinvent the wheel, when it obviously confuses you, and is NOT the designed polarity? 37 year UA pipefitter/welder here, so I'm not just another internet keyboard warrior. You have a nice day too.
Mostly for fun... and to see what would happen. It went in pretty nice if you ask me. 😂
This dude don’t know what he’s talking about lol
Hahaha lol 9 years almost of it but your probably right always something else to learn. Thanks for the comment Jeff have a great day.!
Don’t start with wait um no stinger is negative and it’s positive and you know.
Use a cut off wheel if you're get Tight on one side or the other