BMW LOGIC 7 UPGRADE: Bimmertech LIGHTWAVE DSP AMPLIFIER
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- čas přidán 5. 07. 2024
- With the NBT EVO install last week i am on to upgrading the factory amplifier. One reason being the phone call echo heard when using a E series Logic 7 amp with a NBT EVO unit, the second was chasing decent bass from the factory speaker set and no longer needing to run an extra sub in the boot. We have done it!
The Bimmertech Lightwave amp is the easiest plug and play solution to replace the MOST Logic 7 amplifiers and im stoked to have it in the car. If you want to know more about the Bimmertech Lightwave amp please check them out through this link below.
www.bimmer-tech.net/speakers-...
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I’m so glad you’re back to posting again man
Im trying.... im trying to get back to it more. I was editing this at 1 am sunday night, when i leave for work at 6 the next day. Its been a wildly busy few months. But more frequent videos will be coming. Plus when i get my license back.... ill be doing some driving, i will be doing lots of driving, dont you worry.
Andrew, we need an update on potential E92 "budget" build. I know you're busy with the 8-speed stuff, but it'll be interesting to see what you upgrade with the knowledge gained over the years. Cheers!
That is exactly what this series is..... however there is no more budget about it.
Hi Andrew,
Bimmertech Audio guy on this side. I'm pleased to hear you like the sound!
The fuse blowing out might have been a random out of spec fuse. I don't think the factory speakers could draw more than 30A without blowing out in minutes. In fact I could only get the current up to around 50A when I had a 900W RMS capable trunk sub connected to the Lightwaves output instead of the center channel in my buddies E92 M3 with Individual Audio option 752.
When it comes to the DSP profiles that we pre-loaded to your amp before shipping: with the LOGIC 7 ticked on there is NO time alignment done and with it ticked off - time alignment is done for the drivers seat. (We pre-load appropriately for RHD vs. LHD BMW's) Whatever the Logic7 processing did on the factory amp - the Lightwave doesn't do that anymore.
Great to see you did the amp along with an EVO retrofit - this way you have the best possible sound quality. I do hope you have a Tidal Hifi subscription - I can't recommend it enough to get the most out of this amp. If it was possible to put a DRM block on spotify with this amp - we would have done it ;)
Cheers from Poland!
Hope you got some posts coming soon brother! Need some motivation to get back into mine after letting it sit for almost a year with 2-3 startups inbetween lol. Enjoy the vids always, hope to see some more content and motivate me once again! (You were the reason i bought mine and went so hard modifying it) :D
We want more 8hp detailed content 😢
One of the best channels on CZcams. Congrats on the incredible work!
Appreciate that, thank you.
I’m really happy that the last videos that you’ve posted are in the previous diy format of the channel. Glad to see you back 😊
Glad you like them!
Andrew,you are a legend .
Here I was saving up to upgrade to logic 7 for my 1er just to get more oem bass . Now I need to save more ....
Keep up the excellent videos .
haha, ive been saying this for a long time, its better than a drinking problem.
Well I am up to date with everyone of your videos and some even twice… keep them coming, I really enjoy the content.
Awesome - happy that itresolved you echo-problems and gave you a SQ Upgrade
I was dreading this and the last Video
but now I'm 100% positive - I will need the NBT retofit too
Man i apologise in advance on the want this will cause. I sat on the fence about NBT EVO for a long time. But its so so nice. It connects to the phoen so well. Phone calls are now mint. Its by far the best intergration for a e9x e8x. With this amp its made aging sound system really come to life.
@@ZeroTo60Tube my main reason for the " I want this" is the Android Auto and the media compatability aswell
the CIC I got at the moment does not play HiRes Audio and becaus I want to get back doing SQ Competitions the 3,5mm jack Version was never an option for me.
sure an external Hi-Res player directly connected to the DSP would be a solution - but it is an addon and not the integrated experience I'd like to have in a daily driver
- so why would I build something I do not want
I hope I'm allowed to lurk here for some time and maybe question you about you daily experiences and hassles with the NBT-Evo once you got you'll be back on the road for some time
@@odie0815 Ahhh that makes a lot of sense if that is what you are up to. Of course you can lurk and ask away.
@@ZeroTo60Tube thanks a lot
So great sounds 👌 😍 awesome
Glad to see u back on track
Thank you 🙌
Dude you’re always coming out with the videos that I always need haha. Love ya
Glad you like them!
Awesome video, So keen on these new amps !!!
Glad you like them!
Great video on car sound system bit over my head but enjoy how you put a video together
How are the 8 speed 79 conversation going many sold
Keep up the good work great videos 😊
Nice update
Another great vid.. I hope your Mum and brother are well .. thanks again for the install and review big fella
Thanks man, Dave is doing well. Unfortunately mum has passed away.
@@ZeroTo60Tube Oh no.. I'm sorry to hear that bro.. My deepest sympathy towards you and your family mate..
@@Meatcleaver101 There was alot going on behind the scenes 2022/23.... I appreciate the love man! Thanks for hanging around in the comments, i know you have been here for a long time.
@@ZeroTo60Tube Much love back at ya bro.. Still here.. Still watching.. We need to find you a track like Carwow has to "test" any up grades on the cars
@@Meatcleaver101 Wouldnt that be amazing!
This car is going to be awesome
I hope so! I’ll keep doing things to it until it is….
keep going with the uploads!!! lets goo
also where is dans e46 , be cool to see that again
That Lightwave amplifier is a rebranded Mobridge K2. All Bimmertech amplifiers are rebranded products. The other Bimmertech amplifiers are made by Audiotec Fischer.
I'm gonna have to make sure I'm checking for your videos like I used to. LOL. I didn't get a notice this time that I know of. Hey you'd better be careful opening your drinks from now on LOL. Just PUMPIN!!
We are here. and we are here to watch!! 😄
Thank you sir!
Hello, I have a Peugeot 406 ZF 4HP20, my question is can I swap ZF 4HP20 to DCT 7 speed? Sorry for the noob question.
The reason you're getting the smelly speaker situation is because these speakers are underrated for the power that gets pushed in them. I'd recommend upgrading the speakers to slightly higher power rating ones. If you go overkill on the ratings, the speakers will be underpowered and the ''power on the table'' situation will sit in your head for quite a while even though these speakers would still sound really good :D
I myself replaced all my door speakers (kinda went overkill in terms of power capabilities) and I loved them mainly because these were night & day difference compared to stock ones - clear, punchy, not noisy in any weird way. But then, since I knew that these were being underpowered, I placed in a 500W RMS 4-channel amplifier, pulled some wires to desired locations, then the sound remained as clear as it did before, but the loudness went up a bunch... The car on which I was doing all that was an Audi A4 B7 Avant, now I have already changed out cars to BMW F11 530d, that's why the BMW audio is relevant to me.
Makes sense and i do appreciate that info man!
What about a electric steering rack retrofit. I believe u also have hydrolic?
Enjoying the content as always
I’m installing a Reflex+ unit and have been working with Motiv for 3 months on an issue. Please provide your opinions!
MHD reads 110psi reflex aux pressure and TunerPro rt reads 255 fuel pressure with fuel pressure factor of 100. Motive said MHD will read 110/111 if the Reflex module is not receiving a signal. Motive has replaced the pressure sensor, I have traced the wiring from the pressure sensor harness to the connector of the Reflex, all good. I applied 12vdc to the pressure sensor connector and read 4amps. I applied 12vdc to the reflex main connector and read 4amps. I confirmed when the reflex harness is plugged in that I’m getting 12vdc at the reflex harness plug side for the
pressure sensor.
Motiv asked me if the ethanol content was correct. Both MHD and TunerPro RT are reading 7%.
It seems to me that it’s either bad Reflex+ module or I messed up a setting in TunerPro.
Thank you!!!
PS…Motive has been difficult…
Thanks for this video Andrew! So level up: G05 X5? 😁
I dont think i have a choice. This setup really shows how lack luster the g series harmon kardon is.
@@ZeroTo60Tube We don't think you have the choice either lol. Joking aside - Harman Kardon is now just a brand, at least in BMWs. That's why we created the Lightwave amp :)
I've been eyeballing BimmerTech's amps for awhile, but BimmerTech's website says it doesn't work in my E60. Kinda bummed about that. I haven't called yet to verify. I'm a big sound guy, but I suck at all things electrical. Stuff like Their speakers or Bav's stuff is right up my alley. I guess once I get around to the interior stuff I'll check back on the amp and probably order some speakers. Really enjoying your rebuild on your E92. As I said before, its some serious inspiration. Cant wait to see more.
Do you know what amp is currently in your e60?
@ZeroTo60Tube I have the hifi 676 system in my car. Not sure which amp it has, but I know it's not the Logic 7.
We've got variety of amps, but maybe there's error on our page. If you may share your car's VIN, we can check it for you!
I have B&O in my F10 and always wondered if these upgrades would sound better than my system. I feel like B&O doesn't have enough bass and specialy mid range bass.
I have a good mate who knows all the systems well. And generally i think your opinion matches most others. They lack of bass. More suited to classical or vocal music. Not modern stuff with electronic beats or even heavy drums.
how would such a small amp with that power output and no heatsink stay cold?
What do you think of MaxxEcu and the fact that they can now control 8hp and Ecu simultaneously?
Very excited. I bought my first maxxecu back in 2022. I love the product. Currently setting a car up to try 8hp controll now.
Do they supply different DSP tunes for RHD and LHD?
Yep, for both :D
Anyone know when the show is returning?.
MOST sounds like GHOST, not FROST lol. The ring is made of POF (plastic optical fibre) so isn't as fragile as glass fibre.
Have you tried or recommend the amp with aftermarket Focal speakers?
I haven’t. Big fan focal stuff.
off topic question if you dont mind - are you still affiliated with the 8 speed shop?
yes
I think I might need this. 🤑
Yes, yes you do.
We think so too lol
@@bimmer-tech Well after listening to the video come through so clear, I might !!
When did they finally drop a logic 7 amp? That bothered me forever when I was looking to upgrade. You could upgrade the amp on the lower models but not the Logic 7
Yeah this is a big level up intergration and being able to load different DSP profiles through the idrive is mega.
We've got it for some time now, but it's fully available now, so go ahead!
You should try using the individual e90 m3 speakers.
Im curious abou that, I really love those grilles as well.
@@ZeroTo60Tube best 300 usd I’ve ever spent.
@@viktorbarsukov2894 oshhhhh, that was a deal.
Hope to see a new update soon mate missing the content
Hey man! Thanks for checking in. Im still working on the car, ive done custom headlights. and ordered all the parts for the engine build 2 weeks ago now. There have been some delays with MHD port injection, so made the descision last week to go straight to Maxxecu. Work has been insane this year. In a good way, but my time is just very scarce. However i will film when it comes time to get the car sorted. I just got my licence back last week as well. The pressure is on to get it back on the road.
@@ZeroTo60Tube that’s great to hear that it’s coming along and I know how hard life can get. Especially these days with cost of living in Australia getting worse and worse. Be great to see some cool BMW content it keeps me sane haha
This amplifier is really awesome, makes huge difference on my E92 335i, mine one is equipped hifi system not top hifi. So i bought the alpha one up8 amplifier.
However after i installed the amp, there is a static white noise from the speakers, especially the twitters are the loudest. Anyone have a clue to solve this? I’ve emailed the support team from bimmertech, will update here once they reply.
I imagine it may be either a setting or wiring issue. Keen to hear how you resolve it.
Can you please help I just bought an e92 My OBD2 If port is not working , I checked Fuse all the pins in the back of the connector look fine If anyone has any clue to why I'm not getting powered to my OBD2 plug please let me kno thank u
Can you show how to retrofit ACC?*
I would love to, but i can't find a kit for a reasonable price.
Does Bryce sell a full nbt retrofit for the e9x?
He does, well he does custom packages depending on how far people want to go. If you are in the states, pricing might be scary from us Aus. Parts are very exxy here at the moment and the wreckers have zero NBT units left. However hit up Bryce and see what he can do for you.
@@ZeroTo60Tube That’s understandable. I currently have a mmi unit, which honestly gets the job done, but seeing a true nbt retrofit with our actual car image in the software is pretty neat! You have me envious lol.
Thank you for the content!
🔥🔥🔥🔥 yo I wish I had this accent 🤣🤣
Hmm.. ya sure, Ill sub.
You are really great at this type of car. Hi, my car needs an engine replacement. 2011 335ix E90 AWD n55 mpackage m sport ،I have a complete car engine with a gearbox, a 2011 F10 535i, an N55 engine. I noticed that the engine is almost the same, but the gearbox is a little different. What do I do to make this engine work on my car? Do I just need to install it and I do not need to do anything, or do I have to modify it? Some things to work with, thank you
This F10 engine has the number N55B30A written on it, and this is my car model number, WBAPL5C56BA919182.
I noticed that the engine is the same but the gearbox is different. Will I face major problems because of this? I want to install everything at once, the engine computer, the gearbox and all the wires. Will it be not difficult?
The HK amp is 9 channels with more actual speakers because each midrange and tweeter are on the same channel. They can do that because they’re mounted so close together and timing is essential the same.
The light wave is nice for pnp but it gets rid of the most special aspect of the sound system which is logic 7. Logic 7 is a surround algorithm to make the car sound like a concert for every seat in the car. With their dsp tuning it is only tuned for the driver seat and everyone else has a lesser experience. Also it looks like it doesn’t even use the center speaker at all which would be expected of not having an actual center algorithm.
I also see the light wave is 150x2 at 4 ohms for the underseat 8s. You can check the resistance of yours but f series hk is 8ohms so that’s only 75rms per underseat. The hk 8s roll off hard at 40hz which makes a dedicated sun needed if you want all the detail.
Also at $2000usd it’s hard not to just buy a helix v twelve and retain logic 7.
The detail you’re after is just correctly applying eq to get a desired house curve.
I would not believe upgrading speakers would give you better sound or even louder. The factory ones are sensitive and how good they sound is all about frequency response. I believe you can manually tune that thing so if you want to and buy a $100 mic I’ll guide you through the process or possibly remote tune it for you.
Have you had a chance to hear a Bimmertech system, both amps and speakers in a car yet? I think i mentioned it in the video but i do like the way they are tuned. It definitely matches the sort of music i listen to. I also prefer it to the B&W and B&O systems i have heard, but this is a personal preference. I think the e91 setup just pips this system, which is what lead me to wanting to do the speakers as well. Have you had many other amp/dsp setups run through stock HK speakers?
@@ZeroTo60Tube I have not heard bimmer tech stuff. My buddy had bavsound speakers and ghost “subs” in his e92. We still added a 10w6v3 and xd600/1 for that last octave.
In my f80 I used a audiocontrol processor, two alpine pdx-v9s and a 10w6v3 with the hk. The audiocontrol dsp didn’t give me all the little things I wanted so when I got my f82 I sold all that and got a helix v twelve and xd600/1 for the 10w6.
I believe people make stereo stuff too complicated lol. Like it’s technical but when it comes down to it it’s frequency response. Hell even if you get audiofrog speakers which have some of the smoothest response measurements once you put them in a car you have so many reflections that the response is chaotic. That’s why a dsp can make junk speakers sound better than million dollar speakers thrown in a car
Fake news!
The Logic 7 algorithm sucks so we're not loosing out on nothing. It most certainly does not sound like a concert, it sounds as if the soundstage is originating from behind your shoulder which is horrible for music. When surround is enabled - we simply remove the time alignment which does sound more "surroundish" compared to time aligned for the drivers seat. That honestly sounds better than the awful Logic 7 processing.
A Helix V12 does not have MOST input so in this application it can't compete if you were to use high level outputs from the OEM amp to feed the Helix. Even if you were to use a toslink->MOST converter - you still wouldn't have the controls we have over chimes, fader, Bluetooth level etc.
The under seat woofers are capable of achieving 30Hz but I won't argue with the fact that no aftermarket BMW-style under-seat woofers will ever be able to compete with a dedicated trunk sub. Andrew quite likely does have 4Ohm woofers as some E9x's had 4Ohms with 677 and later model E9x's with 688 had the usual 8Ohm woofers. We can still push the 8Ohm units past their limits though.
We most certainly do power the center channel and also have dedicated center channel processing on-board too, to not have the center mess up the soundstage as it can happen when the center is only a sum of the left and right channels. All around this is the best possible amp upgrade for compatible optic based BMW & Supra audio systems - hands down.
EDIT:
Lets keep this confidential :) - we are working on a new line of speakers that will blow everything out of the water when it comes to bolt on speakers for BMW's and we'll definitely make dedicated DSP profiles for all of our amps for them once they're ready. Just hold tight :)
@@maciejstalmach2252 please don’t take this as an attack but just constructive criticism for improving the audio in these vehicles we love
Logic 7 shouldn’t sound like it’s by your shoulder at all, somethings off in the car that gave you that impression. Logic 7 in bmws is tuned for the German taste of having the stage center in front of the driver AND the front passenger.
My v12 is hooked up using the L7 amps high level out puts. It essentially acts as a preamp to keep the chimes and the processing.
The trick to make the stage center on the center speaker location is keeping the center volume higher than it was originally. I have some tracks from Andy Wehmeyer to get stage spacing correct. Also the side and rear fill speakers need to be low to add “space” without pulling the stage back.
Looking at the description on the amp page it says it has 6 channels for the mid/high speakers. These cars have 7 mids though so it seemed you left out the center. If you did include the center then Atleast 2 speakers are on 1 channel and I’m curious on the center channel algorithm.
I’m glad to see more work is being done on these stereos. I really hope you guys can make something spectacular. If I was you I’d see about partnering up with audiofrog
earthquake underseats next?
I think they would actually sound decent with this amp driving them. I put a set in a m2 a few years ago, and with the factory amp there was only a small improvement. With this some decent subs would pump. Mind you i would struggle to venture aware from the bimmertech as they will have DSP profiles that will work perfectly with thier speakers.
Song at 27:19 pls?
"Somebody (2024) - Gotye" czcams.com/video/6tzzrNS56x8/video.html
I like my Logic7 in both E92 335i and E63 635D :D
But if You say it's worth doing, I see this being done at some point in the future :)
Well if you just pop over, ill let you have a listen hahaha. This really does make a massive difference. I had hopes after the system in the e91 and its delivered the same "HOLY SHIT" difference. The way the bass hits now is so distinct. On the same notes its not a cheap upgrade. But it delivers. Makes the G05 harmon kardon sound so flat. Which is wild.
@@ZeroTo60Tube I'm on my way 😝See you in about 2 years! (I take it you will not fly-in your car here)
@@lightmanek I dont think it will ever happen. But oh my god, i would love to have my e92 over there for a euro road trip! Just imagine the breakdowns... hahaa
@@ZeroTo60Tube if you'll ever visit Austria - I'll have an unreasonable amount of cold beers ready to be consumed (and a place to stay)
@@odie0815 thank you for the kind offer. I really hope to be able to spend a bit more time in europe over the coming years. Especially with the brands we are selling here in Australia nearly all coming from Europe.... Oh also, there is no such thing as an unreasonable amount of beer to an australia.
It's actually impressive how shit BMW can make so many speakers sound for what they charged for these cars. 😊
True that! That's why we do exist lol
😂