DEBATE: The REAL Problem With Tottenham!?
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 23. 03. 2023
- The lads on The Kick Off debate whether Conte's interview where he slammed into his players after a 3-3 draw to Southampton can be justified.
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Craig: its like you brian, if something goes wrong here, whos fault is it?
Brians face was like "tread carefully bro" đđ
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Craig speaking pure facts. As a spurs supporter myself I exactly feel the same way đą
As a Spurs fan, Craig was spot on here đŻ
Nah Levi tool you from mid table to top 4 regularly and built a state of the art stadium, you just arent a Man U, City, Chelsea, not everyone has a divine right to win trophiesthe fact u are up there competing is testament to his work
â@StuTonyTynebridge it is but Craig is still spot on. He is a great businessman, but he is awful for transfers.
@@CasClips129 but you didnt sign players because you were building the stadium
@@TonyTynebridge fax. They tryna finger point. Conte and mourinho are masters of shifting blame. Thatâs why I didnât want Conte at United.
@StuTonyTynebridge Also that narrative is bull too. It's insane, if we couldn't buy anyone why didn't we loan at LEAST. Everyone isn't thinking at all when the speak about that club.
This group of guys is the best you can get after the old left. Very glad to see it happen Brian
The Irish Guy's take was the opinion of Spurs' fans a couple years ago. We were happy that we were getting champions league consistently. But now that we had and still there was no trophy, that's taken the priority. If we go with what he is saying, we'll just be in the same space. For once I agree with Craig
Ungrateful fans then, would u be happier if u were mid table again?đ
@@TonyTynebridge as a fan arenât you always pushing your team to win something? You can be grateful for what heâs done for the club but still want to win silverware. You act as tho winning trophies and finishing higher up the table are mutually exclusive. Fans are always going to want more than just sitting mid table, making champions league, etc.
@@TonyTynebridge Spurs get hated on for not winning a trophy but if a spurs fan says they want to win a trophy it's ungrateful?
@@imArcheRR dont let people banter you
The problem I have with some spurs fan is the thinking that itâs their divine right to be in trophy conversations, itâs not. But maybe having better ownership would change that. But ownership doesnât always decide having the bottle in the moments so close to triumph.
Not usually a fan of Craig spurs takes but he's spot on here
Harry Kane is the biggest example of not liking the pressure of big games, his track record proves this. Enic/Levy out though.
As a Leicester fan, FA cup and 5th is a great feeling.
It won't be Tuchel, he upgraded to Bayern đ!
What I find ironic is that after Mourinho was sacked, Levy said we need to get back to offensive attractive football that corresponds to our dna and then you get Conte who is basically a parallel of mourinho that specializes in defence and offensive transition. Truth be told, if you want to win silverware, you can't still keep in your starting line up defenders like Dier or Davies with no disrespect to either of them. The difference of level between the players out front and the ones out back is huge. Also about Poch not winning anything after all, bear in mind that he was the one with 2 windows of no transfers and no backing, he achieved what he achieved with limited resources and did what Conte has failed to do so far, actually improve players.
Totally agree I feel the spurs board operate in the Mike Ashley mould however with a bit more cash to give to the managers/head coaches
Nagelsmann is the answer. A Young Champions League calibre coach. Sign him and be patient, give him 2-3 transfer window with the players he wants, back him up, then give it a go. He could gives the team an enlightenment to play offensive football with tons of fluidity.
Patience is rare in the modern era, especially from fans
Iâd love Nagelsmann in, I canât believe Bayern sacked him
â@@finnthehuman9033 i think spurs fan can have patience
Nagelsman will have Levy to deal with still
Conte has done some great things but it was a poor appointment by Spurs, he's much too similar to Mourinho in style & approach, Jose couldn't make it work so it was always doubtful whether Conte could. Nagelsmann just becoming available could be perfect for Spurs. An exciting modern young manager with modern ideas bringing back a more expansive brand of football similar to Poch. If you can't win things anyway then you may as well play entertaining football whilst doing it.
Jose couldn't make it work he litraly got spurs to a cup final......
@@proudtobeageordie9490 whilst sitting 7th in the league and playing horrendous football.
@@proudtobeageordie9490 So did Poch, still didn't win it. I'm a massive Jose fan but there's far from a guarantee he'd have won the Final. Based on how easily Spurs lost that Final & the form they were in at that time, I very much doubt Jose would've made a difference.
@@1977Suspiria you know what you are probably right but also should have been giving that chance for the final... Poch done realy well at spurs he messed up the champions league final by playing kane I personally think that decision was actually out of his control and sacking potch was stupid should have been backed and he's a absolute fool if he goes back even though a rate potch
A don't want to see spurs get a big name manager think they should go for someone under the radar and actually back him n go hard for a trophy...
Am not a spurs fan but being a spurs fan must be the most frustrating thing ever..... Constantly up there for top 4 year in year out but the owners never seem to want to push for that next step even if its just for a couple seasons go hard in the transfer market n go out n get a trophy a seriously worry for spurs fans when kane leaves let's say he left in the summer owners ain't going to spend the money to bring in a player that gets the goals kane does.... If there even is one...... next season where would they finish đł
@@js4756 winning a trophy is better than finishing 4th
Conte didn't have a meltdown, he just laid out what we all thought, any neutral fan would want their manager to tell the truth E.g. That's why Mourinho is a great manager
The problem with Spurs is the fans. He said it Tottenham were a mid table club going nowhere for a long time before Levy. He turned them into a top 6 side who regularly compete for Europe and go deep into cup competition. They have hit their ceiling and the fans can't accept and keep kicking off because they think they should be winning trophies ahead of teams that have far greater resources
Levy only wants top 4 the fans want more.... Sacking a manager before a cup final is weak mentality and that runs down to the players.... Spurs is the only top 6 club that a manager can go in to and knows if he don't win a trophy it's alright
Spurs won 7 trophies in the 20 years prior to levy joining and have won 1 in the 20+ years since. I think they have every right to be frustrated.
@@js4756 all those came in the early 80's. From 1985 to when Levy cane in they were mid table
Spot on
We can acknowledge where we have came from, thank levy for how much he has brought us up, and also acknowledge his lack of ambition. You are speaking of a ceiling, implying spurs have hit their ceiling in regards to not being able to win trophies, but thatâs complete bullshit. When we had won our last FA Cup we were the number one winners of that competition, we used to be seen as a cup team. A very average arsenal has been winning cup trophies the past few years, Leicester City ffs sake won the league. Why is it that we have to accept that this is our âceilingâ. The clubs motto, is to dare is to do, thatâs what we as a club should live by. The fans want silverware, we want glory, we want to keep reaching higher, but Tottenham itself overseen by Levy is a business. Itâs being run to sustain the level of revenue and âsuccessâ we have currently. Spurs in all honesty should have won a trophy under Pochâs reign, we have great resources, we have had word class players and managers, we just need to have ambition. Thatâs all.
Is Nagelsmann a possibility now?
Iâm a United fan so perhaps Iâm not in a position to comment, but it seemed like Craig made some really good points here.
I think Spurs should go back to the drawing board with a project manager. Arsenal sort of tried something similar with Emery where they brought him in thinking he'll win them Europa and they'll be back into the UCL. The idea of quick success with decent ish spending. Obviously it didn't work and it showed the squad needed a massive overhaul. They chose Arteta, they backed him and gave him time and it's working so far. The blueprint is relatively there for them.
Arteta wouldnât even be the Arsenal manager if he didnât win the Fa cup. Tottenham have chosen elite managers like Jose and conte and still failed to win silverware. The fact that even Leicester have won more trophies than spurs is hilarious.
@@gegenpress1695 But that's sort of the problem isn't it? Fans need to understand that things have to get worse before they get better when your club has so much wrong with it. You're not gonna win a UCL overnight without oligarch money.
Spurs fan since 1967... TOTALLY AGREE WITH CRAIG!!! Spurs have sucked since the DOUBLE,..Great DVD BTW
Unpopular opinion but Kick Off is better than The Club. I like Craig and that Arsenal fan as well.
You are right
Reminder that Spurs turned down ten Hag đđđ
As an Arsenal fan i can tell Craig that i am very âgratefulâ for Arteta.
Itâs exactly how the fans should be.
also: impersonating a fan whilst putting on a dumb voice is not an argument
ps. enjoyed the chat though đđŒ
*extremely entertaining
Craig literally summed up Harry Kane perfectly but he somehow gets a pass AGAIN.
Craig: The majority of the players at Spurs, especially the core group from the Pochettino-era, canât deal with pressure. They donât like pressure. When itâs time to deliver something or go that extra mile, a lot of these players proved it time and time again that theyâre not ready to take the next step.
COYG!
All this is nonsense. Iâve watched every one of our games since 2014 and this idea of âmentalityâ is useless
18/19- Squad run into the ground, competing on multiple fronts, and ZERO was spent
19/20- Pochettino spent on his signings which were injured/flops, once again had a thin squad with key players wanting out. Mourinho comes in, heavy injury problems because of a thin squad
20/21- Covid fucks us over so we werenât able to back Mourinho properly. His negative tactics got worse and worse and worse, we could never outplay our opponents
21/22- Nuno was out of his depth, Conte steadies the ship, plays dire football until the winter window when the new signings smashed it
22/23- Conte is backed with his players, style of football gets worse and worse and worse, we get outplayed by every team
For me our problems have been ON the pitch for 5 years now, if you canât outplay your opponents you arenât going to win games
@@Duval-In-The-Wall You only need to look at the other side of North London to see wether the idea of a mentality is truly âuselessâ as you call it.
But yeah, your problems have been on the pitch and Harry Kane has had a part to play in those shortcomings. He can not be exempt from this conversation like he always seems to be.
@@pukkinho
I mean under Arteta you actually have a style of play, dynamic tactics, and you actually dominate the games you play
Mentality comes off the back of actually playing well and EARNING results, not feeling like you robbed the opposition every week
In fact Arsenal prove my point, they were an utter shambles before they focused on implementing a proper possession style of play. And even that took years to get right
@@Duval-In-The-Wall For me you can play the most beautiful style of football or implement a style of play but winning mentality only comes from actually winning trophies. Thereâs no way around it.
You guys had somewhat of an identity under Poch and the way Spurs fans were talking, you werenât robbing the opposition every week either but instead earning those points.
So you did play well and earned your results so by your logic why didnât you win anything? Because itâs about mentality.
Best debate so far lads!
Problem is though, Craig, Conte is basically, a Mourinho MKII. He's all passion, hard truths and short term success and if it works, he owns the players, they're his players now and they'll run through walls for him. Same as it was with Mourinho first time around at Chelsea. However, when it doesn't work, the players rebel against him and the manager gets the boot.
10 times better then before !! Should have gotten rid of the other ads years ago !! Keep it up geordie
Conte came to Chelsea and won the league in his first season, same season that was guardiola and klopps first season, conte had a makeshift team still won the league mourinho has had so much success these great managers go to spurs and canât win and itâs meant to be their fault? Nah this is spursy
Conteâs days as an elite manager were over a few years ago.
Thatâs why he lead Inter to a title
@@SeanBals he left Inter because the board said they had no money.
Salty comment...
So let me get this right, last season when, they pipped Arsenal to top4, the narrative was that Conte is a genius, he is the one that made them get it, little to no credit was given to the players, yet after two transfer windows later, with more quality added to the squad (say whatever you like, Richarlison, Bissouma etc are proven quality Epl players) suddenly its all the players and the owners fault. Where is the accountability?
Who does the Irish guy support? I need to know who to blame for leaving and opening up a spot for him
Which episode or stream is this from. Been a regular but the last round table was from manutd vs Newcastle !
enjoy some of the points made here, but conte inheriting a top chelsea squad and trying to taint that title win is a bit of a stretch. similar to the point made on another video, we had marcos alonso and victor moses as our starting wing-backs.
Canât blame conte for the Sheffield United result, they are a championship team that played their reserves against spurs, if spurs canât beat a championship reserves team without Kane why are they getting the big money? I would have given Kane a rest for that game aswell.
Give Mick McCarthy a call underrated manager, and Big Sam is a must too.
That Irish Guy fella is just talking absolute waffle. Craig came across really well on this topic.
What makes Spurs fans so entitled? They have one trophy in this century.
Craig hard carrying the new crew
Dude in the scarf is clueless. Man said if that was Chelsea they wouldnât have drawn 3-3. Youâre right, Chelsea lost to Southampton đ€Ąđ€Ą
Conte has no right pulling that nonsense after the performances heâs served up this season
Hapless and pathetic tactics, non-existent man-management, outright refusal to rotate or play new signings. Calling potential future signings âclub prospectsâ
Iâm glad we no longer have to this toxic prat slamming the club every week
Iâm sick of the constant hatred towards our players, sure rival fans can say what they like, but as supporters itâs our job to SUPPORT the club
Why dies he think that Harry Kane can dela with pressure? He's never showed that he can, even though he's a great player.
Is it just me or does the bloke in the thrasher jumper looks like a relative of Goldbridge ? đ
his face is a mash up of goldbridge and James alcotđđđ
Everything conte said was spot on; if he was a spurs fan in the pub, id buy him a pint. But sorry to say, he was called a world class manager etc. And all that...world class managers will change a culture...theyll win trophies when nothing has been won for decades. Look at klopp at dortmund, look at mourinho at inter. As fans, we need to hold the ownership players and manager accountable. But lets be real here; conte is being paid millions to take us to the next level. Look at how many players hes brought in...if new players arent performing, surely he needs to take some accountability. Spurs may be a banter club, but conte has well and truly been found out.
Spot on mate
Levy style of ownership is similar to the ownership of Ashley and even to the best of my knowledge he never went 2 consecutive transfer windows without investing in the squad. He needs to go for spurs to have any chance of success. spurs have won the league cup under levy/Lewis ownership however the football world has moved on. Yes theyâre in a 60,000 seater stadium however I feel levy wonât push on for the sake of the balance sheet.
Levy and Enic want Spurs to stay at a certain level to rake in as much money as possible. They don't want to kick on to the next level. Sacking Jose right before a winnable final proves that.
Too late for Tommy T How about Vieira? Fulfill those quotas for Marv...
Swap Arsenal with Liverpool on the table and Spurs would be happy with their season so far.
Nah I agree with Bryan on this. More on the fact that Conte showed no accountability in that rant despite having the most investment out of mourinho & Poch. Tactics are on him & while Tottenham have a track record of being âSpursyâ that shouldnât be the case for the players brought in from outside. Spence, Danjuma, Kulu, Bentancaur, Richarlison, Perisic, Bissouma these are players that werenât present for âSpurs historyâ.
i agree with craig and brian in this completely, and i think the concept that the irish guy mentioned that we should be thankful that we have conte is somewhat ridiculous. as a spurs fan i want to progress and build, not just be content at where we are
Well, Tuchel is taken now lol, maybe Nagelsmann?
How wrong they were about Thomas Tuchel who was living in Munich at the point of the recording
Nahh, personally I don't think there is anything wrong with the ownership. They are the one of the most valuable clubs in football for heaven's sake. I think the biggest problem they have is player recruitment.. PSG have the money to spend, but they don't compete with clubs of it's level because of poor player recruitment..
I agree with Brian here. Even it what Conte said was true. Even Don Ancelotti didnât do this when it was going bad at Everton.
The guy with the green hat. Spot on.
Craig the only one with ball knowledge here
Brian is deluded. Conte picked up a juventus team that hadn't won the title for 10 years, if anything,if juventus kept winning was because Conte built a great team. Conte changed the system and formation at Chelsea. He gave inter the title 10 years after they last won it. Everyone talking about spurs, the problem at spurs is the players have more power with levy than the manager.
Juve got to 2 UCL finals in 3 years after he left. They got better w/o him.
â@@jimmywalker8354 Without conte, they would have still not won any league titles by then. He built that team to win .
Let Craig speak man cos itâs absolutely mad when Brain and the others ask him questions in which he answers which everybody agrees whether their spurs fans or neutrals and they cut him of every two secs đđ€Łđ€·ââïžđ€Šââïž
24:50 Irish Guy is so obsessed with Susan Boyle. Even mentioning her on The Kick Off đđ
Elite manager with dead tactics & a fading squad only a few top players left . The owners never invested smart enough when they should have. What did they expect to happen ?Built a stadium rather than a squad to win trophies. Now they are where they are đ€·ââïž
Spurs should never had fired Poch, he should have backed him not fired him that's the problem at Spurs. If Conte really had any balls he would have named the players he was talking about, the other problem with Conte doing what he did was he never took any share of the blame himself. Conte sat Kane out for the Sheffield United game, he makes the substitutions nobody else Conte needs to grow a pair take some of the blame himself.
Kane comes up short in big moments. Kane miss the pen in the world cup. Kane was injured during the run to the finals. Finals, Kane goes missing
Craig: There's no winning culture at spurs
"You're in the top 4!
Also Craig: I DON'T CARE!
Never knew getting top4 was a winning culture. From a world where I come from its about winning trophy not participating in some elite level competition to get knocked out in first roundđ
@@akshanshbharti2401 i think you missed the point. If you donât even have the desire of getting in the top 4 how are you going to have the winning mentality for anything
I watched we are totenham tv and expressions oozing cause its fun to see spurs flopped and the problems the spurs fans are saying on CZcams is literally what conte is says as a football CZcamsr I don't think our voice isn't heard enough so what cinte is saying is exactly what fans are complaining if I was a spurs player right now which would be disgusting wearing a rival shirt but again if i was a spurs player and conte I heard that should motivated me to work more harder
Spot on but spurs will always be spursy levy don't can't about trophys he just wants top 4 and thats it so the winning mentality of the players will never ever be there
This Irish guy is hilarious " you sound like a 25 year old that hasn't lost his virginity yet" lol
you should bring expressions on for Tottenham talks/ nobody gets it like him
I feel like there is a core group that gets sick of being told what to do and push the managers out... Its time they pulled up their socks and get the job done for once! Tottenham have a good squad, a good manager and a good fan base.. They should be pushing for top 3. Maybe Conte has gone about it wrong? But I can empathise with his frustration
I wonder why Brian hates conte so much
tbf imo conte teams usually takes a lot of shoots...?
0:20 James Nonecott?
It's hypothetical when it doesn't suit him, needs a trophy when they win a league cup and finish 8th they'll all be crying
Conte is a winner , spurs are not .... this relationship was never going to work
The real problem with Tottenham is they've been massively overhyped by prem fans and the so called "big 6" lie making them think they're a big club when they aren't
He said the manager in his rant. They are paying the players, they are paying me the manager. Kante voice. Watch it again
Spurs are a 5th to 8th club and always have been they are not and never will be a Man Utd, Liverpool, Arsenal, or now a Chelsea or ManCity they are delusional if they believe anything else.
Players will not go there if they have a choice between Spurs or the other teams I have mentioned, there is obviously a mentality problem and a comfort zone issue.
Managers also now view Spurs as a poisoned chalice and their recruitment as been laughable so donât expect anything to change in the next 20 years just be grateful you play in the Premier League
Levy buys the players, not the manager! That is the big problem! Forster, lenglet, danjuma and spence are typical cheap levy signings!
Contes chelsea team wasnt world class he had victor moses and marcos alonso in the starting 11
Iâd love Simon Jordan on this podcast
Conta has a point but he also on 15 million a year and has failed big time in his job, can't motivate the team, kept with the same tactic, never show up for the first 45 minutes. As much as he was right in his rant, he is also to blame for our poor form this season. 15 million a year.. Conte came for a payout and thats all, spent 150 million and then rarely starts his 60 million pound signing, would rather bring in old players. Owners, Players and the manager to blame for how poor we been this season, Owners to blame for how poor we been since they took over
The Irish Guy is a great edition to the Kick Off!
The guy in the red shirt did my head in this episode, if he let people speak, this episode would be 3x shorter and much more entertaining
this whole debate and all this pressure is purely because Arsenal are doing so good⊠Spurs being in 4th rn would be a good season in any of the last 7 seasons but since arsenal are cruising at the top they are feeling the pressure. Itâs as simple as that. Tottenham have never been a perennial trophy winning club so itâs not bad to aim for top 4 and go for a trophy once ever decade when they have a couple world class players and a good manager and squad. If you swapped Arsenal and Liverpool in the table right now, Conte would be renewing his contract and none of this would be talked about guaranteed.
Nah bro. The reason spurs fans are fed up is cos we are awful to watch and got knocked out of every trophy by teams that are worse than us, Milan maybe even at best
@@Masterful100 you been awful and getting knocked out of competitions for 20 years tho dog
Did you pick the most annoying hight pitched Irish guy you could find? Pure racism Brian I'm very disappointed.
The club is clear especially after hearing the Irish guy speak
Spurs will win something eventually but it wont be the Champions League or Premier League. They should honestly make the domestic cups their sole objective in the next 5 years and push from there. Affter that focus on Europa or even Conference Cup. Build slowly instead of trying to jump the queue. They have the tools for success they just need to make sure they're using them to build a solid foundation instead of a shaky house on sand.
My man gets it đđŸ we always put domestic cups on the back burner when they are honestly the most reasonable competition we have a chance of winning year over year
Harry Potter put the cruxio curse on this club
Craig didnt say one thing that I didnt agree with 100%. FACTS FACTS FACTS FACTS FACTS FACTS FACTS FACTS
Craig speaks so well on behalf of spurs fans. Absolutely spot on with every single point
Man said Sheffield no ball game
Chris Smalling is known as Chris now?
âWay too obsessed over silverwareâ wtf is he on about lmao⊠Esp. when Craig is clear in his points.
Gotta say Mitch was completely right... The Irish guy downplaying trophies is crazy
its written in the stars for a nagelsmann revolution
No manager will succeed at Spurs with Mr Levy in charge. Also, I know players are human but with the money they earn at least they should turn up with the right attitude. They earn millions a year and they have more power then the managers these days, you can bring new players but if you don't get rid of the dead wood then sacking the manager it will become a vicious cycle.
The Manager is there to manage the team and get the best of every single player.. Players are there to listening the manager and execute as requested, they work for the club, so saying that the club has the responsibility to bring in the players that fit with the club mentality. so, nothing wrong with Spurs, they are doing what they have been doing for the last 20 years. That`s consistency to me. LOL
The manager has never been the real problem at Spurs, the person in charge is the problem.
Also Spurs fans don't really know what they want. The crying it's unbelievable !!!
I dislike Spurs, but this Spurs fan is based. Conte was 100% correct, same reason Poch got axed because the board backed the dressing room which makes correcting the mentality even harder (if not impossible)
big up ya clart craigy boy
The problem is that spurs are having a decent season, theyâre just mad arsenal are top of the league
whos the irish guy?
Tottenham is a club with no identity how many managers have come and gone. This club has no character no edge they've spent millions on a new stadium and a academy. Conte is a man of good will and gesture he's passionate about the game the players at the club I think need booting. The fans of the club r tired of this it's the road to nowhere!!! Daniel Levy I think should just sell the club and move on this is the problem with PL football we need boards that love the game.
Nagelsmann is german graham potter idk why people cant see that. He'd come up with creative tactics but at the end of the day he cant handle the pressure of managing big clubs.
They are obliterating everyone in the champions league, dunno what ur on about. Just kept two clean sheets against Messi and mbappe as well
@@Masterful100 chelsea also going to QF whats ur point?
@@efanferdiantowibowo9610 they've beaten psg, barca and inter already in the UCL this season. And only 1 point off the top of the league, and still in the German Cup. Nagelsman was doing great and handling the pressure just fine. Whereas Potter is mid table with Chelsea and out of the cup already
@@Masterful100 picking manager based on result alone is the reason why spurs end up at this situation. You need to look beyond that.
@@efanferdiantowibowo9610 hahaha that's how every manager gets appointed mate. By the results they've achieved in their recent roles. Same as every job tbh
Graig is sneaking facts only đŻ
What is true geordie smoking? Didn't conte over a juve team who weren't winning titles?
What do we think of Tottenham?!!