The Glitch That BROKE Fallout: New Vegas
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- čas přidán 11. 09. 2021
- Fallout: New Vegas certainly has a huge following, both casually and with challenge-seekers like speedrunners. Today we discuss the Glitch that singlehandedly changed all of the Fallout: New Vegas speedrun categories and converted the speedrun into what we see today.
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Hi. My name is ItsJabo and I speedrun games daily over at Twitch. The whole purpose of a speedrun is to playthrough a game as fast as you can, with a set of prerequisite rules. I enjoy speedrunning a variety of games and look to challenge myself in a huge amount of ways. It's an alternative way of discovering what's hidden and possible within the games you play, while also doing some pretty amazing tricks and glitches. Thanks for watching.
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NOTE: Reload dashing doesn't work in Fo3 due to Single-feed animations only being in NV, not because of the ammo types
Also 28st of April 2016 💀
Make more yt videos
Honestly I thought the 28st thing was an intentional gag of some sort
Don’t feel bad about the “28st” of April typo. One Skyrim mod I used at some point put out an update on the 32nd of November once.
you were 28 stone in 2016? XDXDXD
The worst glitch was the sheriff's hat glitch in Primm
Does that mean the mysterious stranger was just the master of the reload dash?
currently hatewatching because sharo robbed me of my speedgame
Dont worry king, you'll make a triple comeback!
I’m currently stonedwatching!!!
Did you ever get it though??????
yoooo???? did you get it???
He’s the previous record holder yo. Even name dropped in this vid
While it doesn't answer the question of _why_ reload dashing works exactly, what I can tell you is that JE Sawyer has gone on record as saying that the looping reload mechanic was a problem throughout development, with them having to squash bugs with it all the time. In fact, at release there was an issue where you could get stuck in a infinite reload animation.
While we don't exactly have specifics, we can probably assume the looping reload code is some real spaghetti.
thanks for this
The infinite reload animation can still happen if swapping ammo too fast and having less than a full mags worth of bullets
I used to have the infinite reloa issue on the xbox360 all the way up until 2015ish which kinda sucked but then again I always quicksaved every 10 or so minutes so wasn't much of an issue.
You can still get stuck in an infinite reload animation, and also I think that it’s one of those instances where either people didn’t want them to remove it so they didn’t or it’s tied to too much code to delete
Does anybody have issues with vats killcam taking absurdly long and you end up getting hit by an enemy multiple times (melee)
I've seen this glitch prior to the video when I watched speed runs of this game but had no idea as to the history. I liked it, I think I just assumed it was always around so it was neat to see how things changed over nearly a decade of speed running.
You should look into the "boba skip" in that case. It happened several months back now, but one streamer found a new skip to MGS which is over 20 years old.
It's so fascinating to see the progressions of speedruns overtime. Summoning Salt has a bunch of really good videos I highly suggest if you haven't heard of him.
run speed in bethesda everything was terrible , if you couldnt pc cheat your speed you crawled man . morrowind and fo3 come to mind , though at the time they were phenom games.
This is exactly how megajumping works in GTA III. By combining a punching or shooting animation with the jump animation then entering and exiting the replay mode in the game, it will launch you much like a reload dash works. Cool vid jabo 🤘
God just imagine that your a settler in the Mojave and looking up and seeing some fucker flying around at ridiculous speeds reloading a revolver thinking “What the FUCK!”
"...I see why they carry the big iron on their hip"
The science behind the reload dash- when the survivor reloads a weapon they enter the reloading animation, if u open up the pipboy during it u cancel the animation(well known), and when the survivor reloads while walking ur character moves forward while reloading (obviously), however when you enter the pipboy while reloading and moving forward the game thinks u should be moving forward cause of the reloading animation so ur hit box moves forward a lil but because u enter the pipboy it makes the character stay in place and the game teleports u to the location it thinks you should've gone based on ur hitbox as compensation, however, it overcompensates it by increasing your movement speed and shifting you in the desired direction which boosts u forward.
But what about infinite dash? Well it mashes the character hit box teleportation breaking quicksave, the speed stacking of speedcripple and the initial push of reload dash into a superman dash! Atleast that's what I've pieced together
Courier is a follower of the Sonic School of Speed. Gotta Go Fast
Sorry to bump an old comment, but do you think that single shell reloads have to be used because it's an animation you can stop in order to pause your momentum?
Like, if you do a magazined weapon then as soon as the animation is finished you're done - the gun is reloaded, there's no further animations so carry out.
But with single shells you finish the animation, it considers whether it needs to do the animation again, which allows you to momentarily pause and "finish" the new animation further down like you suggested.
I don't know enough about that animations and coding but it seems like a logical solution to me
I love that below the memes, the bullshit and that god forsaken dab emote is still one hell of a knowledgable runner and fan of the series. Top notch content here, dude. Kudos!
"Speedcripple," is one of the funniest glitch names I've ever heard.
my best guess as to why infinite dash works is it could be compounding speed modifiers, akin to speed cripple, as gun in hand, reload, and pipboy exit all have independant mover speeds, plus the already enhanced base movespeed of spped cripple. It causes a loop of speed buffs, and when you clip it creates a false floor hit box, and since the game engine is coded that player moving faster than X speed will bounce off a hit box, it causes a constant flying preventing the speed modifier from resetting to speedcripple speed.
12:33 - The music, the video, this is perfection 😂👍🏻
Bethesda needs to hire speedrunners as QA testers
song???
@GreenScout thanks!
QA jobs suck really hard. You may think that it’s awesome to be paid to play games, it’s actually repetitive and without freedom. They are close to sweatshops. And QArs are shunned by the rest of the company as if they were lepers. Google it, you’ll get a shock.
@@layladonaldson3429 somebody below said it’s Hit the Road by Toxic Avenger :)
Dude I have to say I love this commentary type video, you explain things so well, and the style you explain and tone of voice makes listening to this so intriguing, please do more of these, as always awesome video!
I would think the reasoning behind the animation canceling would throw someone so far would be because let's say you did just, fully reload each bullet, when you start, you're at point A, when you're done reloading you are then at point B. Canceling the reload animation attempts to catch you up to where you would be if you did follow through with the whole reload in a linear launch. That's just my two cents though.
Sharo's runs were the first i ever saw of new vegas and youtube eventually recommended me this channel after watching enough of his videos.
Sharo is a great guy and an even better runner, love him
I think it has something to do with the game setting "fmoverunmult" which you can change with console default being "4" but set it to "10" and you get the same result. As for reloading as a way to enable it combined with the animation of the pipboy going up being sped up I think it's similar with the slowdown and speedups of animations like how you reload at light speed in vats
Such a great illustration of speed running technique and history. I was walking through the aisles of Home Depot and felt a sour pain in my stomach. The same dreadful pain of knowing that our days on Earth are numbered. I wondered if my job was good enough, if I saw my family and friends enough. My vision clouded as I tried to hide my burning red face and fight back tears. Counting the tiles on the floor, I made my way to the restroom. The cool water from the sink brought me back into focus like cleaning dirty eyeglass lenses. I took a deep breath and knew that no matter what happens, we are only as good as we feel and those feelings come from within. As my Father said, "No one is looking out for you, but you." I think about that all the time to keep on the righteous path. I will definitely be liking, subbing, and following on Twitch. Thank you.
*This review was collected as part of a promotion 9/13/2021*
Wtf?
That sour pain in your stomach was likely the TacoBell that you thought was a good idea earlier. 🤨
my favorite glitch in new vegas is a tie between the antimaterial rifle setting people on fire and the laser detonator from lonesome road firing mini nukes infinitely and as fast as a minigun
But, I thought the anti-material rifle was SUPPOSED to set people on fire. One of its ammo types is incendiary rounds.
@@fakehax3984 the rifle did have incendiary ammo but there was a bug where if you had incendiary ammo loaded and aimed at an enemy in VATS and left without shooting or anything it would set the enemy on fire
@@ddjj0022jjrr best part was the people killed by the fire didn't count towards your infamy
Took your advice from a previous comment and am bingeing your docuseries playlist. Top notch stuff. Been watching your speedrun content for a LONG time and this type of evolution in content is awesome. Much love.
From my understanding of several games that have speedruns is that the reload dashing is most likely reserving the momentum you have when you pause and as you're holding it and the pipboy and unequipping and reloading animations cause the game to get confused so it just launches you. A lot of games have glitches just like this and it seems to always be that
Is that sort of how the RE4 "Ditman" glitch works as well?
@@nathanclark2424 haven't looked into that one but I'll look into it in a bit
@@nathanclark2424 looks like that's caused by momentum being stored and the game consistently making you move faster instead of the game just being so buggy that it tries to make up for the stored momentum being held and released like in FNV. Because in FNV it's caused by the menu stopping everything at once and you holding down the walk button stores that momentum but in RE4 case it seems a bit different where it is stored but it doesn't cause the game to violently launch you forward but instead makes all of your movements faster so they're similar but the only real difference is how the game handles the stored momentum
Really love these video essay style videos and the editing was top notch. Cant wait to see more Jabo!
You went all out on the editing on this one and it defiantly paid off! Very engaging, keep it up!👌
Thank you, I tried hard with the editing, i swear
It paid off, in defiance. 😏😏
Definitely *
@@ItsJabo yeah man i hate this shit , never ever been interested in speed running but your vid ended up in my queue and i watched it in its entirety . well made . good things ahead for you.
I thought the speedcripple worked by giving you the speed “back” without having lost it instead of just stacking normal speed with the cripple speed?
I never gave it 2 seconds of a thought and just said to myself "wow its magick" and went on my merry way. I don't need to know how things work I just need to know how to make things happen.
Nah then your speed would be 200% not 160%
@@shadymcnasty5920 After the latest video I now understand how I was wrong but I even per my guess it wouldn’t be 200%
It adds the crippled movement speed on top of your regular movement speed, instead of replacing it. So you get your 100% normal speed, plus 60%. So 160 total.
This vid was very enlightening, I loved it!
Do never give up bro, I believe at you Prayge
The first time i saw this was in a comedy run by grayfruit, and stars of the midnight ranger played while he did it. So now thats the iconic song for it in my head.
I think that animation walking of reloading is an animation over distance that just after being cancelled be pipboy just instantly activates and moves u to a point where u shouldve ended it normally and with a cripplebug u just end further.
When u hit ground after jumping, u get a tiny speed boost, just jump forward and you go down a tiny bit on impact but u get a tiny speed boost for a split second.
Is this perhaps related to the bug you get reloading single feed weapons where if you hold down a movement key throughout the reload animation, and continue to hold it at the end of the animation, your character seems to have a brain fart, they wont fire, VATS doesn't work, and they sort of jostle around for a good 10 seconds before everything "clears up" and you can keep shooting?
When I did it in a less refined way the game lagged so I think the reason it gives you a speed burst is time dilation, it slows down time for you but it is still running it at the same speed in time or something so when you close your inventory it will put you on where you would be without the lag, so therefore it dialates time or something
Can’t tell you what content I think you should make but I can tell you that this was a really enjoyable content, as is the rest of your stuff
Could the reason for this glitch be:
The pip-boy "stops" time, but the game still calculates where the player _should_ be as if the animation played out completely? Hence why direction/momentum MUST be applied before, during, and after the pip-boy. So the game speeds you up to where it thinks you should be. Which is why if you're on flat ground you only go so far. If uphill, you go to space because the game doesn't know what to do with that speed and impact (simply not coded for it, it's not supposed to happen). If downhill you fly straight ahead.
As for why it's only single shell reload weapons? Maybe animation length, or improper coding, or both? Clip/magazine reloads could be too fast to where the game either can't or doesn't bother with running said calculation. Or they were coded not to, and single shell was forgotten about or overlooked during testing (game was "rushed" after all)
Really good video! I really like this type of content
Seems like an animation speed multiplier is kicking in to make two 1 second animation complete in the required 1 second, the problem seems to be that movement itself is considered one of these animations, so its added in and multiplied along with the weapon reloads that are trying to happen in the fraction of a second between the weapon reloading and the pip boy opening, must have been no way to separate hand movement (reloading) with leg movement (running) a good way to test that would be to stand still when doing it but jump (space bar) instead of forward (w) if that happens it means your whole character animations would be tied into it, like if you could throw something in that window of time like a grenade it would also carry that momentum f4om the arm swing
btw reload dashing works as long as your holding a direction key when opening the pipboy and when closing it. meaning you cal let go of the movement key while in the pipboy but as long as you hold it when you exit the pipboy. i dont know if you knew that. its useful when on controller. im also going to practice block boosting bc i play on xbox and that will be great to use in small distances
Just discovered your channel and I’m loving the FNV vids!! I’m curious where/how you come up with the soundtracks for these types of uploads?
might be collide with the grenade projectile (like those old valve game, and achieving same effect) while got cripple boost, and reload dashing?
i'd like to see a run of Fo3 of this
you know, with that mod that came out a few years ago that added the Fo3 game onto New Vegas's slightly fixed engine
I searched a few months ago for History of New Vegas speed runs and didn't find anything. This came out shortly afterwards. Thankfully the algorithm fed me eventually
I had a glitch when trying to get to Mr house. The robot in the penthouse was glitched behind some stairs or a wall and I couldn’t continue the quest.
I dont know much about code or anything but maybe all the weapons and such that have different ammo types may all have the same code and possibly switching ammo types and then closing your pipboy adds all the speeds youd have while switching ammo with other weapons multiplicatively it would help explain the extra speed boost with speedcripple
That save/load trick reminds me one from original Deus Ex, which lets you pass laser beams without setting the alarm.
That was before I've discovered that pepper spray let you block lasers...
This looks similar to the source momentum storing glitch.
My guess by holding down a movement key whilst an animation plays (in this case looping animation) which is then cancelled by not only another animation, but the removal of the weapon, (which also stops the character moving forward) the "dash" could be playing/executing all movement frames that would have played whilst the pipboy is open with a multiplier.
My guess is that the engine runs a lot faster for some reason with the pipboy open, and due to the engine speed being tied to frame rate, it creates a much larger than expected dash.
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i have this spot saved 'cus it's probably the best actual tutorial for the glitch on the website.
5:23 liking this video for the sole fact that this song made it in. also because the whole vid is aweome!
keep doing what you do! you have an exceptional taste in music
a childhood classic of mine
I love watching speed runs or have to video is them quitting and reloading into the game
Really digging your new channel Summoning Salt!
Ah yes, I experienced immediate nostalgia when I started this video. The audio blasted my eardrums, just like it did in the good ol days when I least expected it
Cheers and happy new years all
commenting for the algorithm 🤏
loved the video jabo! got a couple chuckles outta me and was very informative
keep it up! i love this kind of content, hope ya make more when possible 🙏
Reload dash is as simple as this, your position and momentum are saved when you begin the reload animation, performing a second reload animation causes you to save that position again while it also tries to remember the beginning position all the while doing math to calculate where, then opening your pip boy causes a more solid position save to make sure your character stays moving upon exiting adding those together and then unequipping the original intended weapons causes the system to get confused and it most likely adds the totals together instead of just choosing the medium. However it could be multiplying the wrong totals and accidentally swapping the momentum speed with position and it causes your character to do a quick position readjustment which also multiplies the momentum a second time after causing you to be leveraged off of objects in game, hence flying in the air. i could be wrong but im also not good at explaining things
Maybe being crippled has coding that increases knockback, and because of that there's frames of speed boost where it activates several times per frame but only while connected to the ground. I'm just speculating tho.
I remember like a year ago I casually completed the game in like an hour, and thought I did really well and looked up the speed run time and realized I was very wrong
Maybe with the reload dash glitch. Without doing that you definitely didn’t beat it under an hour.
@@noahbell7297 you do realize the speed run time with no glitches is like 35 minutes right?
@@liluziintrovert No glitches at all? No. You didn’t do it though. Show the save. Such a weird lie
@@noahbell7297 “show the save” dude it was a year ago I don’t have my saves from that long ago
@@noahbell7297 bruh it's really not hard to beat the game that fast if you just rush the main quest, it's not that long lol
kinda reminds me of how in v111 in fallout4 if you die to the electric generator with a baton equipped the baton will be where you died instead of the original stop you find it. also my health was 12 because i wanted to challenge myself
Ah, you mean the glitch that "broke" it in terms of making speedruns faster, lol. From the title, the first thing I thought of is a glitch I had (and saw others having on CZcams as well) of the doctor's head from the beginning of the game twisting and spinning around, lol.
From your title, I had no idea this was a Speedrunning vid. I assumed it was just some vid-essay on New Vegas, focusing on the impact of bugs.
Just a quick thought about how it works, but has anyone tried getting the Fast Reload perk and seeing if it makes a difference??
i think that when you open your pip boy while using w the game thinks that your still walking so when you close your pip boy the game gives you that speed burst
I actually came into this video knowing most of this stuff thanks to one tomatoangus (the g is silent) and his run of the Fallout Anthology at AGDQ 2020; he finished slightly over estimate, but he still did pretty awesome. :D
my theory is that you build up momentum while going forward in the pit boy and because of speed cripple you gain more momentum faster
The way reload dashing works probably the game guesses the distance you'd have finished the reload but once interrupted and holding a movement input but the games can't comprehend it so it just shoots forward to get the distance you'd have traveled but crazy fast.....(probably)
New Vegas was one of the first games I got on PS3.
It was the first Fallout I had ever played.
And it was glorious
The worst glitch is definitely not being able to do the ncr ending if you go to the great khans before they tell you too. That set me back like 3 hours.
I think it's the explosion effect? It throws you a bunch when you get hit right?
Once, I accidentally did the reload dash and wasn't sure how it happened, nor was I able to replicate it. Finally, I have the answer as to how it was done. I'm not a speedrunner, but I'll be sure to use this trick when getting to New Vegas.
Personally, i think this is caused because, somehow, everything in the game pasues, but not your character's location, it keeps moving foward, so when you pull out the pipboy, the game drags you all the way to where the new character location point is supposed to be, because of the momentum of being dragged to the new point, it sends you flying, it just an idea, i haven't play NV in a while nor do i have it installed.
My least favorite bug (besides cazadores) is whatever bug caused my playthrough to completely corrupt, removing all of my data, which includes dead money
Speedruns are fascinating. Nice video!
It's finally here! So much teasing! Love the vid Jabo and love you too
Quicksaving+quickloading to glitch through walls and doors has been known since Oblivion. It's a glitch with the Gamebyro engine
Me after seeing the title: Do you have the slightest idea how little that narrows it down ?
I love how tomato said in GDQ: "in fallout new vegas you become a plane"
Great content Jabo; Thanks for being so wicked and cool!
Damn right, ty ty
12:25 - Never thought to find some great music in your videos :) This track Hit The Road by Toxic Avenger is awesome to listen to
A year late, but thank you so much!! Such a catchy song
Now people use the .357 magnum revolver, and you can get it easier than hunting shotgun I think due to the fact that the hunting revolver can be taken from joe and then the special ammo for it can be bought at Chet’s
28st April xD enjoying your video and praise the yt algo for bringing me here
i wonder if someone could find a speed thing like this in skyrim.
The title: The glitch that broke Fallout New Vegas.
Me: Do you know how little that narrows it down?
Hey, from where is that clip of Victor digging up the Courier from the grave? Is it fan made?
If I'd have known this was about speed runs I wouldn't have pushed play.
You know you made a classic game when 10 years later people are still playing it and enjoying the hell out of it. I recently built a gaming pc and am playing it for the first time on PC with patches and mods although it's probably my 30th playthrough overall.
Exactly
Nice video! Keep em coming.
Great video!
That Snowboard Kids Song though.. Somewhat odd choice for a Fallout video IMO. However, I really enjoyed playing Snowboard Kids back in the days.
So Im pretty sure it's similar to the overlapping movement speed in fo3. 2 animations both supposed to be at a called fps overlapping doubling fps. And if you've ever played with nv fps you know the higher the fps the faster you move for whatever reason.
Caped*
What was the music at 13:00? Seems like a remix of something
there is a cool glitch southwest of nipton, where a dead centaur falls from the sky
Me not watching any speed runs in my life watching the shit out of this video
Fantastic video, liked and subbed
Thank you so much for this video❤❤ this was much needed
Nice video! Enjoyed it very much, and I don't even play Fallout New Vegas.
Great video Jabo, keep it up!
My favorite glitch to this day is getting your barter high, getting a weapon of good condition as well as poor, and cleaning out Gun Runners for caps and gear😂😂
they were pretty quick to dill with the exploit bugs
That's so slow, my fastest speed run of New Vegas was my first play through. I stepped out the house after allocating my stats and frozed with a time of 1m23 seconds and never touched the game since.
Speedrunners: Reload Dash
Me: Laser Detonator + rockets
Let me guess. Ammo glitch (shoot nukes from any gun) or reload dashing?
Also reload dash works on console now cause on series x new Vegas is 60
I have a theory (well partial theory) - the reload animation is somewhat dependent on gun condition and what type of weapon it is.. As in, a damaged weapon takes longer to reload from empty. But what you're doing here is swapping ammo types, which always takes the same amount of time for any weapon (almost instantaneously).
Let's say you're reloading a 9mm pistol and it takes 4 seconds (just pulling a number out of thin air for this example), but the Ammo Swap always happens within 2 seconds. So in order to have the character move fast enough to complete an ammo swap quicker than the reload, the overall movement rate is increased. The longer the weapon reload time, the greater the discrepancy between Reloading and Ammo Swap. That's why the revolver seems to work the best here - it's trying to squeeze you loading in 6 rounds into the set time the Ammo Swap takes. And opening the PipBoy interrupts it, but leaves the lingering movement rate boost in play for a second or two. So that burst of speed is leftover from when the game momentarily sped up the character's movement rate, that's why if you're already running forward, your run speed gets increased for less than a second. So I think the engine is trying its best to squeeze an animation that had a time dependent on weapon type/condition into the set period of time an Ammo Swap takes. I suppose one way to test it would be to compare the degree of speed boost you get with a revolver at 100 percent condition versus a damaged one, and also compare it to something that takes a ton of time like Fat Man or Missile Launcher.
Again, just a theory. I could completely wrong here...
I didn't know there was a Tribes: Ascend mod for Fallout: New Vegas!
It's weird that you never see securatrons in fall out 4
this is an awesome and well put together video!
Hard to believe this came out only a year before skyrim
Love listening to that music again