Lipsyncing is RUINING Kpop.
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The problem is that companies want to debut as visually appealing as possible idols, who they can ideally train for 1 year or so and then debut them. Back in the day most idols trained for at least 3 years before debuting, hence the vocal skills (and every skill for that matter) were just much more seasoned and stable. Most gen 4 groups cannot sing live stable, so lipsync is sadly required. Saying this as a trained vocalist. I'm really worried, because in the end the idol gets clowned on and they do not deserve that.
Opening up the kpop world by Gen3 singing live, kpop opens the world through the hard work of 3rd generation who prove they can sing and perform. Because they were despised for not being able to sing and having only good looks, but now gen4 is destroying it by normalizing lip sync.
Nah A LOT of groups of 3th G had done it , even 2G and all of that came from SM. All those groups do it specially if they have to dance. Most of you just get fooled by it. Like Beyoncé fans.
But they can learn the visuals to sing. There are lots of visuals who can sing like we have Solar and Jaehyun who are main vocals. Other visuals like Jin, Karina, Heejin, Jisoo, Sullyoon, Jinsoul, Myungsoo, Winter, Jiu, Jinyoung and Taehyung can also sing decently. Actually lots of visuals can sing only few like Wonyoung are actually tone deaf.
@@vixxexo6855 Also, I wanted to add Stray Kids can sing live too.
@@AwakeningWings Ateez as well.
I'm disappointed in companies that push their idols to lipsync most of the time. I love Wonyoung and Leeseo (my IVE bias and bias wrecker respectively) and I feel that Starship most likely set them up to fail by having them lipsync the whole performance. I also don't like how SM is literally known for having some of the best singers in KPop but they don't allow them to show their vocals off live in most cases (more notable in this generation). I bet that most of these idols would love to sing live, but their company forces them to either lipsync or sing with a loud backing track to cover their voices.
It seems like a damned if you do damned if you don't kind of situation. All of this reminds me of the encore scandal twice had which absolutely tanked their reputation in South Korea. I miss live vocals and I think they should be the standard but also knetz are incredibly toxic when it comes to idols messing up live.
No it doesn’t 💀 “damned if u do damned if u don’t🤓” like u sound slow. just learn sing live and do It. It ain’t hard.
@@choerrychile5042 Trained singers mess up, its part of being human but stans and knets blow up little hiccups and use it as an excuse to harass idols and completely write off their talent.
@@therandomestgemer800 trained singers sing live babe.
The problem is companies should just debut people who can actually sing instead of just debuting idols based on looks
no it did not tank their reputation that is a little over dramatic. they just got a lot of hate.
Wony and Leeseo are weak vocalists, so I can understand why Starship took this decision. The girls were being set up either way and that's why companies need to be more clever with how they promote their artists, visuals and vocalists have different purposes in a group.
The company doesn't need to shove visual's noses where it doesn't belong. There's already fuss about the fact that they don't give their best singer on the group the most demanding part and preceded to give it to those with the ones who aren't known for good vocals and made the have a hard time executing it live. They already had a special stage covering Lion Heart already and Wonyoung got the highlight parts as usual. There's absolutely zero reason to make them did this cover at a year end festival in the national television. Other visuals who aren't known for the vocals never got pushed as hard on the vocal department bcs they know their limit, like Yoona, Jisoo, Tzuyu, and many more.
the groups that come to mind who sing live as much as possible r Stray Kids, Ateez, Mamamoo and Itzy
And If I’m not wrong, Dreamcatcher too ! :,)
And Kard as well :)
Purple kiss
@@diyachaudhari9520 from what i kno bout them yass
@@eri4481 how could i forget 👍
the more they try to hide idols weak vocals the more suspicious netizens become of the idols capabilities and start to talk shit, but if they make the idols sing live with their weak vocals netizens will pour a shit tonne of hate on them anyway, they're writing their death certificate either way
Yoona, Jisoo, Tzuyu are known to not being the best at singing and people understand and never demand them the other way. As long as they execute their part well, people wouldn't comment. Most people already knew the fact that most visuals serve the part of being representative of the group, you have the whole main and lead vocal to do the hard work on vocal department. The two in the video are known to be the ones with under average skill in singing, there's absolutely zero demand of this performance.
agree
SMCU palace felt so weird since it was nearly all lip synced
especially cause it was a concert
I noticed that to not a single note sung live 😭🤣
Is it online concert? I havent watched it
@@chickennerd2085 it's online yes
Yeah I noticed it too. They could've just actually sang live and maybe post-edit where needed. It wasn't real actual live anyway. It was clearly all pre-recorded prior.
My favorite group is SHINee, who have been praised since debut for their amazing live vocals. I started listening to Kpop during 2nd gen and lip syncing was either for the 1st week of promotions (if that) or if the idols were sick/tired/etc. Now, companies are more interested in their groups looking perfect, and you can't do that singing live unless all the members were trained extensively. Honestly, I don't really care about lip syncing anymore because I am just not as invested in these groups. If the music sounds good and they have good stage presence, Im fine with it. That being said, some groups don't have the charisma to hold my interest if they are lip syncing.
To add on: Shawols really treasure how we watched Taemin's vocals improve so much. He basically debuted as a sub vocalist (constantly singing w Minho), but as he matured and trained he blossomed into the amazing vocalist that he is today. Constantly lip syncing robs the fans of those memories.
SHINee is my favorite K-pop band because not only do they always sing live as much as possible but the few times they had to for certain reasons they suck at it and share a laugh
Yes, i do agree that the decision to lipsync is mostly done by the companies probably, but at the same time, i think we shouldn't completely remove all responsabiliteis from the idols themselves. They're job is to entretain people on stage. Even if they arent singing or dancing, they could still show some effort in having some kind of stage presence and at least pretend slightly better to be singing. Yes, i do believe it can be extreamly dismotivating to be told you can't sing, but at the same time, it's still their job, and they should preforme the task they've been given much better. I don't think we should be sending hate to these idols, but they still have some responsability and some power over their own performance, and we shouldn't ignore that.
They have them lip sync to look perfect but then one of the biggest criticisms of groups is if they never sing live, like Aespa. So I really don't understand companies forcing idols to lip sync so often because that brings them more hate in the western audience. My view has always been like on music shows, especially week one, I totally get it, it's a new song and they want the public to hear the song at it's best. But after like week two, I want to hear the idols actually singing it. And especially award shows and concerts. Watching twice clips from their concerts where they just fully lip sync was just insane to me like........ of all places, a concert? A place with just you and your fans? Come on now.. I also don't see enough praise for 4th gen group who almost never lip sync anymore like Itzy, those girlies sang live on like every Loco and Cheshire music show performance.
4:22 this may also be the broadcaster’s decision, not just the label - since there’s a difference between the sound mix you hear in house and what’s being broadcast, you may be able to hear the group just fine if you’re in the live audience, but the broadcast audio mix will have the backing vocals cranked up.
I do agree to an extent but most award shows do show that most groups don't sing live or have their mics turned down, can't really trust mr removed videos for music shows since video's aren't allowed.
@@Taejiu i definitely agree that this isn’t the cause of most lip syncing, just wanted to point out that it is something that happens. Broadcast companies want to make sure their shows are perfect just as much as the labels do. I’ve seen performances where the singers are practically screaming something ad libbed to the audience, but you can just barely hear it on the broadcast version because of how it’s mixed.
I used to not have a problem with the Jpop/Kpop training system. Sounds simple enough, if you wanna be in the entertainment industry, you get schooled and trained on the art of your choice and after a few years, you'll be ready to go (to an extent), and the most you hone your craft in your career, the better off you'll be.
The problem with Kpop now is that because competition is so tight, companies want their idols to be pumped out of the woodwork like a factory, so people who weren't properly vocal trained before are now worse off on stage because they were not ready after a year or less of work. It's one thing to have training before entering the entertainment company like some artists have before being scouted or accepted or whatnot, but it's another to be John or Jane Doe on the street, deciding that you'll just be an idol on a whim, and you're now expecting to be Gen 2/3 levels of good without the proper training. You have some diamonds in the rough in Gen 4, but I'm just going to get this out of the way now. Gen 4 has some of the worst vocalists to come out of the woodwork yet, and I'm not saying this like Kpop companies choose not good singers. I'm saying this as to say that Gen 4 was the least ready (depending on which company you're under) because if you wanted to better your vocals, tough luck if your company doesn't give you the proper resources you need, especially if companies are focusing more on dance routines than actual vocalizing.
If Kpop companies wanted dance crews, they are 100% in their responsibility or choice to do so. However, to train dancers and expect them to sing without warning, throwing them out to the lions, is a complete disservice to the idols they hired.
Smaller companies who want to make it big still focus on vocals of their idols, but their groups go mostly unnoticed. And large companies (big3 + hybe) know very well that they can debut whoever and all of their groups will have a considerable fanbase. Groups like new jeans or baby mosters recently have had fan accounts with 20k+ followings before their official debut. So looks are an important factor for their stans. And yes, they release some pre-debut videos but some dance snippet or cover to showcase vocals still isn't enough to become a 'stan'. The fans don't know the concept or sounds or songs but make posts about how cute member X is or how huge of a glow up member Y had.
In my opinion both the company and Wonyoung+Leeseo are at fault. I completely agree with you with the part that they don't choose to lipsync and it's more likely forced upon them to either protect their image or to make up for the lack of time to prepare the performance. But it's also true that they didn't do much of an effort in trying to give a performance. Those people went there to see them perform and they got 0 interest from them. One thing is being genuinely bad at lipsyncing, like Mamamoo, but they at least try to give you a performance. You know is lypsinced, but at least they do facial expressions and stage presence.
It was the companies fault they lipsynced in first place, but it's their fault doing a poor performance.
The thing about kpop fans is they always tied success to the group themselves while criticism is linked to the company being at fault all the time. The company could do anything they want, it's on you wether you want to put an effort or not. It's not like you're a doll tied to a string and only able to move if the company pull the strings. Company worked behind the scenes, but you're the one who have to do all the work in front of the audience. So both parties are at wrong
@@satyadkp I agree with both of you. Great point of view.
Either way I feel like both will get hate cause people are waiting for something to hate them for.
One thing a lot of fans forget is that kpop is called idol music in Korea, the gen pop in Korea doesn't consider them as singer but performers. That's why the state broadcasters(kbs, mbc, sbs) are also more focused on making the performance aesthetic and pleasing for the eyes. There is a clear different between idols and singers in the eyes of the industry insiders.
Because a lot of people were surprised to see kbs throw their MC wony under the bus for this performance.
This was just a very bad lip sync, they sang it like a nursery rhyme.
sucks that starship is just giving more ammo to the rampant wonyoung antis
I don’t get how despite the growing western audience Kpop hasn’t really changed this outdated view
We don’t care if they mess up. I think we would all prefer messy but live singing over faking it all the way through
Yes it’s understandable to lip sync but also that’s kinda on the part of the company to ease the choreo at high notes no?
Most of the time, easing choreo sections are used to give the artists time to catch a breath mid performance. It would be kind of insane for someone to hit a high note during that cooldown.
Idols have reached a point that even when pre-recorded vocals are used before a concert you can still tell that they are lip-syncing because idols will lip-sync to their album recording only. It’s honestly insane, especially when groups like Dreamcatcher consistently hit it out of the park with live vocals and just recently finally got recognition from Mnet.
I absolutely hate when they try to fool the audience by adding breathing sounds. And when you check other performances, all the ""flaws"" are the exact same, on the exact same parts.
That pisses me off.
Companies going out their way to fake stuff. Just lipsync with your whole chest then.
That's a shame because I really love to hear live vocals. Even if it means voice cracks or that it won't sound as good as the studio version because they dance. It just feels more authentic.
When I'm watching a stage I seek the interaction between the idoles and the public rather than perfection. If I want to listen to the clean, perfect version to the song, then I'll play the studio version.
I don't think it's simply a 'theory' that these corporations are the ones making the choices for these idols. ^^ of course they are, right? why else would they hold the reins so tight for award shows and things that need to "look perfect" vs other times? so many artists look visibly annoyed having to lipsync, like we just saw in KWANGYA over NYE. are there netizens who actually put the blame for this on the groups themselves? that is sad TT-TT it's so obvious idols would sing live in dozens of cases where they don't, if only their agencies would allow them to take the risk of not being perfect.
as they say in the sailing world, your ship is safe in the harbor, but that's not what ships are for!
Mamamoo Itzy And stayc Purple Kiss & Exo are a few groups that sing live more than they lip sync which is nice and props to all of them. Also BTOB Sing live majority of the time Also I Believe 2PM to back in the day
Yes,I agree with the groups you mentioned.
•I am so happy you included Purple Kiss.
*I would like to add NMIXX ,the majority of their performances, the members are know to sing live.*
Also, I am sure there are many other K-pop groups that have sang live in their performances.
Yess..Purple kiss on TOP👑
I've noticed that it's mostly just Goeun singing live (and she has all the hard stuff too!) while the other members choose to lip-sync. Not all the time, obviously, but it's pretty common.
4th Gen groups have much better vocalists than ever. It's no excuse for IVE to lip sync the entire performance, especially if they are not dancing.
Nah, only few of them are good. But they don't have the likes of Taeyeon, Jonghyun, Yang Yoseob, Jung Eunji, Sungkyu and Woohyun, Super Junior KRY. The 4th gen is actually in the bottom tier of great vocalist with them being average at best. Give credits when it's due
@@satyadkp The most you mentioned are from 2nd gen,The thing is from 3rd gen vocals of k-pop strated to decline but since 5-6 years before there are very few numbers of groups are present so it wasn't that big of phenomenon but now the number of groups are 10x from previous generation so ofcourse it's more visible
I don't really mind lip-syncing as long as they do it properly - but def prefer if they sing live
In gen 2, an idol called out the horrible sound equipment used for live stages by broadcast stations as the blame for why more idols lipsync. The station had recently put out a "no lipsync" rule. The broadcast company put out an official statement that if idols were better singers, they would be able to use the equipment and not need to lipsync. An idol group responded by putting on a 100% live performance of their song with nearly flawless vocals, and the NR Removed is iconic. This group was Super Junior and the song is Mamacita. This same broadcast station pretty much abandoned the no lipsync rule.
Side note: Gen 2 Twitter beefs and takedowns were messy as hell. Apparently Taeyeon and Wiz Khalifa had beef 💀 That's the funniest thing lmao 🤣
Agency must think again to do vocal train rather than comeback every 3 month + push hard choreo 😤
Singing is no 1 basic stuff girl group + boy group to have
😤
Alot of 4th gen fans are scarily delusional on how bad and lazy the lip sync has gotten for most of the popular groups that they're hyping up on being the most talented of the gen. Like yes sure they're talented obv but whats the point if they never sing live or even try to put effort into faking pre-recorded vocals. I found recently the issue of lazy dancing, complete lip sync and a blank or one dimensional facial expression on these massive stages has gotten out of hand. Its clear to me that their visuals and image is prioritised over everything but its to the point where the idols have given up pretending and the fans still can't see it. I can understand for music shows you want to put your best forward so alot of groups use studio vocals to hook people and use strong choreo and then transition later into live vocals to show off raw talent. But now its just 100% produced and inauthentic performances and the fans eat it up 💀💀💀. I think my best example besides aespa/sma is some of those mama performances that just passed. Most if not all the new ggs lip synced. I mean bahiyyih at mama awards....people were praising the "pink haired girl" until she trended but she looked emotionless and absolutely miserable...almost upset even the entire time and she clearly didnt hide that she was badly lip synching like ????? And during one performance (dice i think) they straight up didnt even move their mouth while the camera was on their face and they werr meant to be singing 🤡. But then actually live talents like treasure and stayc get slept on too. Idec if your fav likes to lipsync go off but to then unfairly compare them to groups that actually put their all into live performances and call them flops for sounding like real humans singing and dancing is taking it too far. So they're setting this unfair standard and more groups feel pressured to follow suit so they dont get "caught slipping". Its creating such a boring a lifeless experience as a viewer that i don't even feel excited to discover new songs or groups from watching through a music show anymore.
The chances of it happening are very slim but I always wondered what would these idols do if the track cut out or something. A large number would be absolutely screwed due to the over reliance on lip syncing. The only time I’ve seen it happen was when TXT performed Crown years ago. The track randomly sped up and cut out but to my surprise, you could hear Soobin singing and he didn’t miss a beat.
I mean I went to a P1harmony concert just the other month and this happened, they sung the entire perf live and nearly sounded like the studio version, than replayed it with the music cause they felt bad lmao.
I think it's important to acknowledge when it's live or not, not in a hateful way but just so that fans understand because I think it's dangerous for so many people to think that it's what they sound like live when it's prerecorded. I think it feeds to the unrealistic standard. Many fans seems to be taking offense if someone says their idol didn't sing live that performance but like it's the truth. It's not hate or anything. People also need to realize that most often when idols have prerecorded vocals and no live singing, the prerecorded vocals are usually the thing you hear in MR removed. We also need to accept that it doesn't sound 100% when idols sing live because it's live and usually they're also dancing and let's just face the truth... A lot of idols aren't in groups for their voice (which I think is okay as long as they deliver okay vocals)
Media companies as well as entertainment companies are to blame for sure. I shall refer you again to that article by VICE from 2013 about the American drummer of Busker Busker. It is ironic that we now say kpop lip sync is acceptable when the strength of kpop from what I understand is how they are trained to sing live while dancing only a few years ago. But your point about choreography being herder now than it was then is a good one. As for perfection on stage, i agree. Perfect vocal bores me at best and creeps me out wt worst.
People said the same thing about aespa and personally I don’t care anymore it is what it is, it’s 2023 I’m not that messed up about whether these idols sing live or not and 4th gen is not the same as the rest.
it is usually the idols choice, you can see some groups where only some members choose to sing live and others dont, its all a choice
I can understand if Itzy will sing and then also add backround singing to support, but IVE barely dance, no excuse
Thankfully SEVENTEEN stay slaying live💅🏼
I notice it’s basically all (4th’s Gen) girlgroups that lipsync while boygroups tend to sing live🤔
I thought it was up to the artist and whether they want to lip sync or not, I completely understand why, but only because if we are talking about Starship Monsta X legitimately almost never lip syncs. So I do find it curious about why they would force one to do one or the other. I know MX pride themselves in their live performances so I always just figured it was their choice, I know they fight for it sometimes actually.
Edit: no hate to IVE (I actually don't listen to any groups with minors as a choice) or any other artist that lip sync and I'm not saying it's better one way or another. This is just what I always thought!
The first lip synching I can remember was Soul Train in America starting in the 1960's (some of the shows can be seen on CZcams). If you know R&B, you notice that the songs sound exactly like the studio version of the songs. And there was minimal dancing. I believe American Bandstand did the same.
I bring up these iconic shows because I actually thought it was the norm to lip synch on music shows everywhere. The example you give though was a stupid decision made by their company and in retrospect, something I'm sure they regret. But again, I thought all music shows (not award shows) did this and have done so all along.
I don’t disagree that the company decides wants to keep the image of the singers hence the lip sync but I think it’s naive to take away all the blame from the artist performing. I mean, even if we take your specific example of company tells them outright we don’t think you can sing this live without fucking it up, if they as idols, performers who are SUPPOSED to be used to singing while doing choreography as is their job. Can’t seriously handle performing a familiar song, that is NOT vocally intensive, while sitting down then I think that reflects more on them. There’s no way not to get criticized for the situation, since whether they agreed or relented like you said if they were gonna lip sync at least act like it just for the sake of making a good performance but even that they couldn’t do.
I agree, however I would say the blame is about 70/30 for me. I would rather blame the company for not properly training their idols or not punishing them in some way for lip-syncing. Rather than cyber bully them online for it. Especially when a lipsync is egregious. Those are when I know the company was involved. I don’t hate the actual cover of strawberry moon, but them having to perform it live when we both know they can’t do it well. Is concerning to me, because that means the company didn’t give a shit at evaluating their abilities and threw them out there. Like I said in the video, the companies and production crew have control of the backtracking, the idols don’t.
@@Taejiu oh most definitely cyber bullying or giving hate towards either of the girls isn’t productive and should not be done. I agree as well company and production would have final say on what happens for the actual performance, I just think it’s really a bad sign and honestly a bad performance given the audio for the performance was lifted from their own cover 5 months ago as well, not even a recent re-recording, if they can’t even sing it and won’t perform it honestly might as well have just played the video since that’s pretty much what we got, just worse lip syncing unfortunately. Towards the girls I think this should only serve as a wake up call and sign to legitimately improve. They’re daesang winners who just lip synced to a ballad sitting down, for a pre recorded performance, to an already covered song. It just looks bad and unfortunately they’re going to receive the blunt of criticism.
western artists deffo dont lip-sync as much as Kpop does, and this is because you rarely find western artists who are found on the street for their looks and trained to become a singer, its usually singers who go out of their way to audition who become western stars
I don't mind lipsyncing, especially during choreo. Not everyone can be like Solar or Jihyo and just be ungodly steady all the time. There's a reason why they are hailed as being unique talents. However, planning a live vocal performance where the emphasis is just the voice, and sticking idols out there you are unsure of... that's on the promoter and the company. If you don't think they can do, then don't make them do it. It's that simple. It's either that or have them sing an easier song, or else use other members in the group who can sing well live. Every group has at least one top-tier vocalist (if they are worth a damn). They might not be the most popular one, but that's because they don't have moments to shine.... like say killing it on a live performance.
This video is about ive but you put hiyyih and chan's pictures why??💀😕
this creator just hates skz 👁️👄👁️
Personally my the only thing that annoyed me about the performance is that they didn't even try to lip sync.And I get that they had a very busy schedule but it doesn't change the matter that they didn't try.
thank you for making your criticism about IVE constructive and respectful
To be fair Strawberry Moon is very high and hard to sing, why set yourself up like that💀
I like a little imperfection. I love when Agust D is singing. He isn't perfect, but put his heart to the performance.
The reason lip syncing became more prevalent is because “fans” would highly criticize live vocals saying that the artist couldn’t sing. Mind you even the best vocalists in the world have off days or bad notes. I believe that 99% of artist can sing, but the companies want no mistakes and want to maintain this perfect image for the “fans” that they won’t give them the opportunity to sing live. Is everyone going to be the best singer? No, but you shouldn’t expect everyone to be the best in the world. These companies need to employ vocal coaches and consistently help these singers understand their voices and what works best for them. The less people criticize live vocals the more companies might be willing to let their artists sing live.
Man, of all the people who could get caught up in this kind of scandal, it just had to be Wonyoung & Leeseo. As if they didn't already have enough hate-trains on them. Sigh...
I just feel bad for them, especially since it most likely wasn't their decision to do so, & we do know they can sing (not the most talented, yes, but still better than most)
Why are comments getting deleted
All of that came from SM , all of their groups had done it , in the beginning was created in the wester industry cuz is cheaper ( later evolved of what we know) , SM took it from it and did a whole culture specially when they dance , making everyone fooled that those groups can sing like that while dancing.
The only singer that had seen doing actual hard choreo and hitting every hard ass note and move is Jk and jhope while rapping. Also the ark girls. Yujin of LSF need more training to do that but she has potencial. There is other type of idol that knows their capabilities and their company doesn’t push them on the choreo much , so they slow their movements ( or barely do the choreo) so that way they can sing live really hard notes like The main vocals of monsta X and ateez.
They thing now is that a more complex choreo is a must ( as you said ) cuz of BTS popularized it. But these companies don’t know that BTS specially jk trained their ass off why dancing and doing exercises. So they can dance and sing live like Broadway singers. And to do that requires also way more money and probably someone that isn’t that “good looking “. So it’s just the fault of the public for asking for it . Just look every comment on current new groups they just talk about visual first even when is about a group of minors :/
I find it funny how SM is praised for having some of the most talented idols yet they still make them lipsync
Do you know what destroys the shows?
US.(FANS)
Big companies are also one of the factors.
Big companies can do the minimum and credit that they did well.
Whereas Nugu companies try their hardest to reach that result (wow results) and were discredited.
You can be devoted to the label.
But if that label doesn't fulfil your expectations is time to look for another group for your expectations.
I know lipsync is not desirable but idol are human. They have their down times.
I couldn't have put it into words any better. They can sing live but people expect always perfectionism while doing triple backflips during a choreo... (exaggerated but you know what I mean). They (producers) also edit Immortal Song 2 live stages (a KBS show... you know who called IVE out, right?), King of Mask singer and many more popular entertainment shows just because they want it perfect. But they got caught because of fancams (who are forbidden in these shows... guess why?).
Regardless of who made the decision for them to lipsync, Ive is just so vocally weak they can never sing live well enough.
Recently a new debuted group from a small company named Fifty Fifty sang their debut song live in variety shows and now they return with a comeback and you can also see their powerful vocal skills in shows. I think the company made a good decision about that because it's super risky for a rookie group to sing live in almost all their first perfomances. A lot of people congratulate them for that
I kind of really bored to watch their lip syncing performances. I don't see their excitment in them. They are just there on stage trying to look pretty and handsome. That's why my interest of Kpop get lower as time goes, now completely gone. 😂😂😂😂
When I heard new groups or groups that keep breaking records, I tried to listen/watch them, but nah they are all the same for me. 😅😅😅😅
May be my expectation is too high. I am from Kpop 2nd Generation era. So yes, I am old 🤌. I keep returning back to Kpop songs from that era.😅😅😅😅
Sorry that I don't like new kpop groups. I just can't.
their voice is tired they wont be able to talk for a few days
I can understand lip syn but not the entire show. Maybe some songs because dancing and singing is difficult
I totally understand lipsyncing when they got a hard choreo but for me lipsyncing to a ballad or slow song where there is no choreo is a No. As some said for the 4th gen most labels go purely for visual less for talent. Choosing Wony and Leeseo to sing a IU song was a bad decision but i think that no IVE member has the right voice to do a IU cover.
At this point I think they are doing it on purpose. Maybe so the company would leg them sing live. Idk…
liz and rei are the only ones in Ive who can sing , people need to accept the truth
More like Liz and Yujin. Rei ditched that simple head voice note in Eleven every encore, and she's a rapper, so Liz and Yunjin are vocal line in my book
yujin???
hmmmmm......I know that it's mostly the companies fault that the girls are forced to lipsync. but come on we should at least criticize the artists for being bad "lypsincers". Every group has done lypsincing but they should at least make it engaging. 🤷
Why is Bahiyyih in the thumbnail
Ah yes, the age old lipsync debate. Honestly, I don't mind it. When I saw Dreamcatcher live in concert, there were members who were singing live, while others who were clearly not. That's fine for me. Their choreos are nuts, like 4th gen nuts. I just think if it's done egregiously where you never hear them live, then there is a clear industry problem.
Imo lip syncing is ok every once a while. Singing live all the time could make a vocalist overwork their voice. Take yuju for example she used to be a top vocalist I mean she still is on but her now compared to her prime she’s a little worse
Ives situation I feel it got a ton of hate bc of wonyoung. Wonny anti would do anything to bring her down leeseo is an amazing vocalist if you see her vocals in that one show u can see she could be a lead vocalist for Ive
I don't think it's okay to completely blame the company. I get blaming production, but IVE are known for lipsync. Other 4th gen groups have stages where it looks like they're lipsyncing, but then you see fancams and they're singing live. Or they go to festivals and are singing live. IVE has pretty much no excuse.
Also, when the CEO Lee Soo Man of SM comes out and says that "lipsync is a genre" and there's tons of behind the scene protocols showing that SM artists are lipsyncing.......I'm sorry but those artists deserve to be called out.
I've seen kpop artists who sing live be dragged through the mud (example: BTS's constant hate in kpop communities for "subpar" vocals when they've always gone out of their way to sing live and do a good job even with their choreo; Mamamoo will get dragged for the tiniest vocal crack; etc). Kpop stans need to call out groups for such outright lipsync and not blame it on the company.
wait so dives are like 4th gens blinks?
Tbh i dont think lipsyning is bad while dancing , bcauz its really really hard to do dancing and singing at the same time.
Still trying to figure out the reason for hiyyiy to be on the cover...i mean yeah shes very pretty but...thats not the point os the video and she wasnt even mentioned once...?? Okay clout yes i get it
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When you mentioned about backtrack being louder than the mic I got reminded of blackpink. It's funny to me cuz blackpink has pretty stable vocalist but YG still makes they're backtrack louder then they're mic. In one performance Jennie was
legit screaming so we can hear her. Like what? I knew YG was dumb but not this dumb.
Same with SM they have such amazing vocalist (Wendy,tayeon,seulgi,ningning,winter etc) and yet most of them always lip sync. I know that SM and YG (and some other companys) are just trying to stay perfect and keep the ideal image but they are wasting such amazing talent.
Then there is JYP whose groups aren't known for having the most powerful vocals yet their newer groups (ITZY, NMIXX, Stray Kids) are the ones that usually get brought up for stable live singing.
@@gabrielfarkas257 JYP knows what it's doing
Starship does this intentionally maybe cause they should know what is gonna happen when wonyoung lip syncs cause leeseo didn't receive as much hate as wonyoung everyone knows why
Still they sent her
fifty fifty 🔛🔝
Why is Chan on the thumbnail?????🤡💀
Wait then why is bahiyyih on the thumbnail????
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@@Taejiu i saw bahiyyih on the thumbnail so i got curious why?
@@kiki-ek7lr she a 4th gen idol who’s been accused of lipsyncing.
@@Taejiu ohh thanks for clearing it up , cause you didn't mention her in the video so I got confused, keep up the good work tho 💗
@@Taejiu Why Chan thought??? Straykids are one of group who sings live most of time
You're wrong, the kpop world is opened by Gen3 singing live. kpop opened up to the world through the hard work of the 3rd generation Because they were insulted for not being able to sing and having only good looks. but now gen4 is ruining it by making lip sync normal.
Eh, I could show you multiple 3rd gen groups that lipsync all the time
@@Taejiu But not for sitting around and lip syncing.
@@parkpark6976 Nah they did that too. Again no generation is same here, kpop lipsyncing has existed for decades now. The 4th gen has just made it worse.
@@Taejiu But this thing, they didn't sing a single word. Mic, they didn't even open it. The fact that they weren't dancing just sitting down and lip syncing was beyond acceptable.
@@parkpark6976 yes I agree with you, let’s not act like other people haven’t done the same.
ive is not a vocal group , their vocal is too weak and so is their dance compare to itzy lesseraphin and new jeans
I don't think Wonyoung and Leeseo are lip-synching though, you can actually hear their breaths when you listen to it carefully. Why is it so hard for people to believe that they can actually sing well? I don't get it because they acted cute, they suddenly can't sing? Why can't people accept that idols can actually sing but sometimes they can strain their vocal cords and need the lip-synch? They are overworked almost all the time and expected to sing and dance well. So sometimes lip-synching is needed.
You can see Wonyoung singing Lion Heart the same way without her moving her facial features too much, was she lip-syncing then too? I don't understand the weird obsession with this stuff and nitpicking apart idols. I wonder if this was just a weird hate thing for Wonyoung, Leeseo, and IVE. I don't get people these days. Why are people so bitter?
you blind? they don't lip sync
Vocal capabilities aside in case of IVE I actually belive it's Starship being extremely obsessed with visuals - the thing is about singing is that it requires so much focus to control your voice that you pay less attention to your face expressions, they were willing to gut whole performance just to make sure they stay pretty. Considering, uh, other stuff happening around IVE... not suprised, just sad.
But... in terms of 4th gen lipsync flood we are partially to blame as well. The choreographies are not made to sing live, it's not even about them being hard cause you can have hard choreo that works around when you need lung capacity for singing(hello Alexa), it's about choreographers accenting the lyrics with moves that take away your breath for when idol needs that air for the notes. And we encourage companies to go in that direction.
I just hope from now on we can use same force as fanbase to push companies into letting their artists express themselves more freely.