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  • čas přidán 21. 12. 2023
  • They need to nerf this character immediately.
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Komentáře • 328

  • @JalisR
    @JalisR Před 7 měsíci +14

    My favorite one is "just look at her cooldown icons"

  • @midorixiv
    @midorixiv Před 7 měsíci +76

    there's definitely some 'fake' points in nier's pressure that you can react to and mash on, but that basically just unlocks layer 2 where she can start cancelling into DP to frame trap, and even without that RPS she's just a really solid character who gets massive damage and guaranteed mix off of every hit.

    • @rokuko998
      @rokuko998 Před 7 měsíci +10

      I think she'll probably be a lot less insane once her damage is toned down and her chip damage is heavily nerfed. She can unload over 20% chip damage in a single blockstring and has the ability to full combo hitconfirm off pretty much anything. I started off playing Nier since she was new, but have been practicing Anila and Zooey now and it's made me realize the only real hard part of this game is hitconfirming off stray pokes into any sort of minor combo, which Nier never has to worry about really.

    • @AJRobin-qi5vu
      @AJRobin-qi5vu Před 7 měsíci

      @@rokuko998 doesn't this only make it so she has to run the mix a 3rd time really. the damage is a problem but the having a 4 way mix is also kinda insane.

    • @rokuko998
      @rokuko998 Před 7 měsíci +1

      @@AJRobin-qi5vu Well her main mixups are strike/throw or the high/low auto combo or a reactable crossup you can use block button to block. Her mixups are mostly universal, the issue is that she gets full combos off them that nobody else can. If she does less damage, she'll need to use more puppet meter though and run out sooner. I hope her reversal gets gutted too though.

  • @kylematthiesen4097
    @kylematthiesen4097 Před 7 měsíci +119

    Seox mains in the corner like 👍

    • @whizthesugoi
      @whizthesugoi Před 7 měsíci +4

      Zoey mains out there like:

    • @souhayl224mnicher9
      @souhayl224mnicher9 Před 7 měsíci +1

      Nier is definitely top tier but there is scarier characters to fight, plus she doesn’t have the best matchups, just use a character that is better in neutral aka fireballs, better buttons, etc. And dps can really stop her snowball, or just get good at the damn game, stop whining.

    • @tingispingis
      @tingispingis Před 7 měsíci

      ​​@@souhayl224mnicher9Take your own advice and shut up and play the game instead of talking shit

    • @muhammadkhairulhaziq2905
      @muhammadkhairulhaziq2905 Před 7 měsíci +20

      ​@@souhayl224mnicher9 okay nier player

    • @souhayl224mnicher9
      @souhayl224mnicher9 Před 7 měsíci

      @@muhammadkhairulhaziq2905 get gud or join the nier army

  • @japser8147
    @japser8147 Před 7 měsíci +20

    that double dodge and her still being safe is insane

  • @kaigai-nikimajikoi325
    @kaigai-nikimajikoi325 Před 7 měsíci +37

    The content we're gonna get with Jiyuna playing Nier and making a guide is going to be gold.

  • @Daikuro1
    @Daikuro1 Před 7 měsíci +16

    Imagine if BBCT Carl screamed like a toddler while doing clap loops.

  • @Xinrad
    @Xinrad Před 7 měsíci +27

    Imagine if Zato had armored reversal and such easy combos and conversions that you can do them with one hand... well Zato players probably will still call him trash

  • @XakeR_
    @XakeR_ Před 7 měsíci +8

    They posted new info
    It was no balance changes on Jan 16 patch
    Looking forward to you playing Nier, Jjyuna

  • @Famitrack
    @Famitrack Před 7 měsíci +39

    Bro, I been a Nier fan since Autamata she was great in the game
    Edit: LMAO WHAT THE FUCK 2B GOT ANNOUNCED

    • @Mrholysymbol
      @Mrholysymbol Před 7 měsíci

      I...actually despise that I laughed at this but that edit caught me off guard 🤣

    • @clairemadeinheaven
      @clairemadeinheaven Před 7 měsíci

      so it's you we have to thank huh

    • @Mrholysymbol
      @Mrholysymbol Před 7 měsíci

      I thought this was a joke but you literally spoke it into existence

  • @Balloonshopper
    @Balloonshopper Před 7 měsíci +21

    She backpacked my ass up to S++ before I switched to other characters. From my experience the wildest thing with her is how literally any hitconfirm, whether a jab, DP, or catching their toes with a 2M, all lead to guaranteed 4k+ dmg -> setup. Think she could be toned down, but I wonder how a nerf would affect her tier placement since other top chars like Seox and Lance already feel like rough matchups.

    • @stinkyskills
      @stinkyskills Před 7 měsíci

      seox has a parry and its really fast, all nier players when the puppet is ready they will use a move to get a hit confirm, parry nier is easy. and then you have 3 seconds to do whatever you want agenst nier. Push her to the corner done, frame traps, easy. I find Seox being a good matchup agenst nier

  • @waffles7z
    @waffles7z Před 7 měsíci +27

    I've been SAYING that puppet characters are evil.

    • @Xenozillex
      @Xenozillex Před 7 měsíci +9

      evil used to take some elbow grease.

    • @Bluzlbee
      @Bluzlbee Před 7 měsíci +2

      and generally they are evil back
      Lieselotte Achenbach
      Shabrys
      Enchantress DNF

    • @onlymyself1234
      @onlymyself1234 Před 7 měsíci

      "what do you MEAN you get to zone AND have the longest combos AND have absolutely disgusting unescapable pressure just because you have another guy?"

  • @PrimeValkyrie
    @PrimeValkyrie Před 7 měsíci +24

    Nier is a fantastic case study on why Arc Sys puppet fighters should never be simple to play. Complexity was all that kept the archetype reasonable, making it something even glue players can fully utilise is insane.

  • @ImpurestClub
    @ImpurestClub Před 7 měsíci +9

    GBVSR will be alright. 2B announcement guaranteeing it’ll survive at least long enough for Arcsys to put out like 5 balance patches.

  • @FourthMan82
    @FourthMan82 Před 7 měsíci +4

    I feel you man, I really do.
    As someone who has a friend who not only mains Nier, but actually knows all her ins and outs, I wholeheartedly agree that she's a effin' nightmare to fight against. But know what? Vaseraga and Belial (both normal and the Avatar version) are good counter-picks against her. Or at least they've been for me. With Vaseraga you need to pressure her and not let her set the pace; not an easy task, but I've done with him many times against S-ranked Nier players. Belial (especially the Avatar version) can shut her down pretty good as well, but you need to know her tells to be able to react accordingly. His counter where he teleports above is a good tool to get close to her quick and sometimes even get a hit along the way. With Avatar Belial, you need to push her into the corner and start your nigh infinite combo by sacrificing your own health; not an easy task but doable. His most important tools are his teleports and the ability to extend his combos via his own health.
    Also, if you didn't know, what makes Nier's combos so damaging is that the game does not view the doll's hits as part of your combo-limit because the game views the doll as a projectile; so any combos the doll does do not add to the normally gradually decreasing damage of each hit you get when you extend your combo with any other character. And I've seen a lot of top tier players making videos about her - of how disgustingly easy she is to play, how varied her tool-set is, and how much frame-traps she can setup. She's disgusting to play with and play against; I rarely - if ever - take a rematch against her, ranked or casual. She's really, really unfun to play against. Hell, I just watched a Master ranker starting from scratch with her and pushing her from S-rank to Master rank in just two hours, while using only one combo - just to prove a point how disgustingly easy she is to use, even against other experienced players.
    The reason she's commonly set so high in the lists where they rank each character - I think - is a combination of her ease of use; the tools she has (which she has the most of the entire roster); and how forgiving her gameplay is and/or how difficult she is to punish for her mistakes.
    But that's just my opinion. I'm not an expert, but this commentary was based on my experiences and my views on the matter.

  • @shr0udedone
    @shr0udedone Před 7 měsíci +3

    oh no. that guard break clip you showed. oh no. she is BROKEN.

  • @nathan5109
    @nathan5109 Před 7 měsíci +5

    ur doing a good job on the uploads you're my favorite old head

  • @user-fe5bm6ot8o
    @user-fe5bm6ot8o Před 7 měsíci +1

    I haven’t played it but everything you said in the first minute reminded me of XRD Ramlethal at launch.
    Just winning and don’t even know what they are doing.

  • @rb.phonics
    @rb.phonics Před 7 měsíci +1

    Yo Jiyuana, do you think you could do another one of those videos where you show the voice actors for characters in fgs?

  • @highwind6309
    @highwind6309 Před 7 měsíci +8

    Something a bit sad about Nier is that some people genuinely just like to play her for the lore, design, gameplay, archetype, etc. and then getting free hate for playing said character is quite rough. I have always got a curse of whenever I choose my main for any of the reasons above they were kind of weak (mk9 cyber sub-zero) or flat out trash (release Faust in GG Strive) and I love mainly setup gameplay but in the end, the real curse is playing a top tier because people have a hard time acknowledging that some players are good with said characters. Talking about Strive, I think release Sol or even Ramlethal were more, wayyy more, contenders for "most stupid overtuned characters in a fighting game ever" and I played quite a lot of fighting games from capcom, to arcsys, then bandai namco.

    • @AJRobin-qi5vu
      @AJRobin-qi5vu Před 7 měsíci

      True. I really like puppet characters but she seems so insane I would just play someone else. lol

  • @on3punchd4ndy22
    @on3punchd4ndy22 Před 7 měsíci +3

    Haven't played against a good nier yet since I've only played casual while I'm learning, but i noticed in one match that when I'm in between her and the puppet there was like a weird magnet pulling me towards the puppet. Like she's in the corner and the puppets in the opposite corner. This should be terrible use and mismanagement of the puppet but nahhhh we got weird magnetic shit going on. I'd say i think she is supposed to be a lot more technical then her current state is

    • @Uooooooooooooh
      @Uooooooooooooh Před 7 měsíci

      I don't know what exactly you're talking about but the puppet has a special that pulls you towards it both on hit and block

  • @-8h-
    @-8h- Před 7 měsíci +2

    The update video just released. Rip, no balance adjustments for the 01/16 lucilius patch.
    I hope it doesnt wait too long after that.

    • @ANIMEILLUMINATI
      @ANIMEILLUMINATI  Před 7 měsíci +1

      It’s time to switch.

    • @-8h-
      @-8h- Před 7 měsíci

      @@ANIMEILLUMINATI I'd hope you wouldn't, but as long as you don't drop the game, and switch to someone you actually like once they kill her, I'm behind ya on this.

  • @HomeslicedVideos
    @HomeslicedVideos Před 7 měsíci +35

    Always love a Scrawt take, both arrogant and wrong at the same time lol

  • @aaronfreeland6399
    @aaronfreeland6399 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Out of geniune curiosity @Jiyuna, can Soriz absorb guardbreaks with his 5U? If he can, can you use it to absorb Niers guardbreak then use the followup to kill death as she is attacking?
    Could other characters with multi-hit DPs reversal there and use their multi hits to break deaths armour?
    I wish I could lab it myself but I don't have time atm XD

    • @ANIMEILLUMINATI
      @ANIMEILLUMINATI  Před 7 měsíci +1

      I’m not sure!

    • @aaronfreeland6399
      @aaronfreeland6399 Před 7 měsíci

      @@ANIMEILLUMINATI I am gonna try labbing it. Will let ya know if I see any success.

    • @aaronfreeland6399
      @aaronfreeland6399 Před 7 měsíci

      Just tried Soriz 5U on the sequence that Nier did to you in the vid and it works 😮
      I will need someone else to check as well to make sure I ain't bs'ing but from my testing it looks like you can 5U the guardbreak attempt and then hit her with the followup.

    • @aaronfreeland6399
      @aaronfreeland6399 Před 7 měsíci

      There is also a gap between the slashes and the clawswipe where you can dodge and punish her with a fast normal with decent reach before the guard break comes out.
      Again if others want to double check this.

  • @SakuyaFM4
    @SakuyaFM4 Před 7 měsíci +2

    I’m a Soriz main, too. Let me just enjoy playing my favorite Evoker after suffering at bottom tier for years (I still am)

  • @rollbustah
    @rollbustah Před 7 měsíci +13

    This is why puppet characters should never be easy to pick up and play. Since she's rated 2-star ease of use, I'm guessing the devs must have fucked up somewhere.

  • @leemcgee5164
    @leemcgee5164 Před 7 měsíci +1

    7:43 I'm currently struggling with Narmaya so I'd love a breakdown on Nier!

  • @skurt2227
    @skurt2227 Před 7 měsíci +5

    I really hope the GBVS devs will balance the game well from the start so the playerbase doesn't quit too quickly from how OP nier is. I'm having a great time playing granblue right now, but the devs gotta stay on top of what the players actually want to keep people playing.

  • @stinkyskills
    @stinkyskills Před 7 měsíci +1

    Characters who can parry her puppet makes it so easy, you have 3 seconds every parry to go in and mess her up. the moment she is on her back legs she has to fight to get neutral back. Yes she has the best mid screen combo and you will be blocking alot agenst her. I think once people figure her out and how to block her strings, she is going to be an easy character to win agenst and a easy character to play

  • @billyn7757
    @billyn7757 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Im waiting for your Guide Jiyuna when you pick up Nier!! Unless she gets fixed in January i wanna try just to BS around. Vira will always be my waifu and but im willing to try the BS for fun.

  • @nekomekoplays
    @nekomekoplays Před 7 měsíci +2

    Cant wait to see Jiyuna playing Nier content

  • @Xengard
    @Xengard Před 7 měsíci +3

    "just block, bro. she's gonna run out of specials eventually"

    • @uhoh7545
      @uhoh7545 Před 7 měsíci

      Guy a few comments up talking about how playing the most deliberate 4 way mixup game "to make her lose 2 stocks out of 13(!!!)" Each time is fair since she's a puppet character and that's how that archetypes supposed to be
      Bro.

  • @deathcraft2299
    @deathcraft2299 Před 7 měsíci +2

    you can spotdodge that RS setup, most character's 5H will hit Nier before 214H hits you, and if all else fails you can jab to kill puppet 100% of the time after spotdodge, but looks like you went for 236L for some reason

  • @Udderage
    @Udderage Před 7 měsíci +3

    I played Nier initially because I don't normally play puppet characters and wanted something a little more challenging... Joke was on me I cleared through to S rank instantly and didn't lose a game, practiced the cheap slash setup and made it even further. I dropped her for the inevitable patch that will make her unplayable, now grinding Vas. I'm coming for you specifically at this point Jiyuna.

  • @vidril6440
    @vidril6440 Před 7 měsíci +7

    Was planning on trying Nier out after I got comfortable in the game because I wanted to try out different playstyles and I liked her design. Now I'm in a bit of a dilemma lol.

    • @ripbozo4809
      @ripbozo4809 Před 7 měsíci +1

      Go for it, get that easy s++ if you want it

    • @CaptinSpyke
      @CaptinSpyke Před 7 měsíci +2

      if you like her play her it's not that deep

    • @Aripuni1
      @Aripuni1 Před 7 měsíci

      bruh dont listen to ppl opinion if you see character cool play it, for me nier is strong ppl just salty

    • @ANIMEILLUMINATI
      @ANIMEILLUMINATI  Před 7 měsíci +2

      Play her while you can.

  • @Moth-Grinder650
    @Moth-Grinder650 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Thanks for the Nier setups 👍

  • @Guren4540
    @Guren4540 Před 7 měsíci +8

    Not only the stuff you mentioned. There's literally no punishment for attacking her puppet. Like I attack it, then a couple seconds later it pops right back out for the abuse to continue.

  • @StarBoxz
    @StarBoxz Před 7 měsíci +5

    8:03 They aren't lying about that last part though. Some people actually like her design and story. Not everyone picks her because she's a busted ass character. If no one liked her then why do you think she was added to the roster? She's pretty popular in the mobile game.
    Don't sell your soul to Nier. Reject Nier. Embrace Cagliostro.

    • @highwind6309
      @highwind6309 Před 7 měsíci

      As a Nier lover, I respect this take. Cag looks really fun.

    • @esseubot
      @esseubot Před 7 měsíci

      Honestly I almost picked her up because her theme has the motif for my favourite granblue track, New World Order. I just didn't because from the arcana guys I preffer The Tower or Inchoate World

  • @heartlesslucas7781
    @heartlesslucas7781 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Want to buy the game but the balance issues are keeping me from pulling the trigger. Hope it gets smoothed out soon

  • @GarethXL
    @GarethXL Před 7 měsíci +5

    friends don't let friends play nier
    she wanted to be loved so much that everyone hates her

  • @AlterAce
    @AlterAce Před 7 měsíci +9

    Id rather fight against Nier than Zeta tbh

  • @cam0x195
    @cam0x195 Před 7 měsíci +2

    We're in the granblu huh

  • @BlazblueFan
    @BlazblueFan Před 7 měsíci +1

    Btw 2B is announced for Granblue. I think we are closer to getting Ragna in Granblue than in Strive. How do you feel about that Jyuna?

  • @abeybaebe2514
    @abeybaebe2514 Před 7 měsíci +2

    Getting clipped and murked after a guard brake dodge naaaaaah 💀

  • @AlexanderMartinez-kd7cz
    @AlexanderMartinez-kd7cz Před 7 měsíci +1

    might this have something to do with the fact that her heavy cooldown specials have no cooldown and she's a puppet with easy controls?
    just saying.

  • @chileshems88
    @chileshems88 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Instead of a second dodge, can you armor through?

  • @NBSilentShadow
    @NBSilentShadow Před 7 měsíci +2

    I've been a Nier fan/main since this video! Why did no body tell me I can get master with 10mn of play per week?! XD

  • @moonbeam2730
    @moonbeam2730 Před 7 měsíci +1

    aint no way she got away with attempted murder on the double dodge, CYGAMES!!!!!!

  • @dek757
    @dek757 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Just have to make it to April for vane

  • @JacobK01
    @JacobK01 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Been a Nier fan since third strike rofl. Play her, I wanna watch that!

  • @theatrociousgod2929
    @theatrociousgod2929 Před 7 měsíci +2

    jiyuna talking about fucked up fg chars is my favorite thing lmal

  • @plasmahandoku1073
    @plasmahandoku1073 Před 7 měsíci +1

    I remember watching a video of the most easiest to hardest, Nier was one of the few hardest. But it felt odd because she felt like the easiest for me.

    • @ANIMEILLUMINATI
      @ANIMEILLUMINATI  Před 7 měsíci

      She has the highest ceiling but also a very low floor.

  • @clairemadeinheaven
    @clairemadeinheaven Před 7 měsíci +3

    Ji make a Nier guide so everyone gets OP with her which would force arcsys to nerf her lol

  • @ChuckBellamy
    @ChuckBellamy Před 7 měsíci +4

    you don't understand, I've been a Nier fan since Nier Automata

  • @SavagePandaSwag
    @SavagePandaSwag Před 7 měsíci +1

    Be careful what you wish for, you know how those arcsys patches tend to workout

  • @UrbanRangerEch0
    @UrbanRangerEch0 Před 7 měsíci +15

    I just hope they can balance her without destroying her character. I would like to keep playing her after the nerf. She’s got cool lore and abilities

  • @vilemk22
    @vilemk22 Před 7 měsíci +1

    my very first ranked game was a pink square nier who was in s rank

  • @NightmareTerumi
    @NightmareTerumi Před 7 měsíci +1

    Played OG Versus and got Rising because they added her, and I wanted to see what new DLC characters would come. Never played the gacha game but liked her design and the BB Relius vibes I got from playing her. After a day or 2 of getting used to the game and new mechanics I got to S rank easy in a day or two. Now what, a week later it just doesn't feel the same. My wins don't really feel earned. Decided to go back to Belial and Vas, try out Avatar on the side. Having a lot more fun that way, though Vas feels kinda bad to play for some reason. Maybe I'm just washed. Do think Nier needs some tweaks, just hope if she does get nerfed she won't get utterly gutted.

    • @sinlife8662
      @sinlife8662 Před 7 měsíci

      She deserves prison time for her war crimes

    • @NightmareTerumi
      @NightmareTerumi Před 7 měsíci

      @@sinlife8662 Shame that won't fix her either.

    • @ANIMEILLUMINATI
      @ANIMEILLUMINATI  Před 7 měsíci

      I’m playing Avatar now, he’s fun!

    • @NightmareTerumi
      @NightmareTerumi Před 7 měsíci

      @@ANIMEILLUMINATI He really is! Little rough getting used to how he melts when touched compared to other characters, but I really like how he differs from regular Belial while still having pretty much the same L and M. Just saw a video today of Sushi doing the nastiest 57 hit combo with Avatar. 60-70% life at least. Siegfried got cooked, now I want to learn it.

    • @highwind6309
      @highwind6309 Před 7 měsíci

      ​@@sinlife8662she already went in prison and died, deserved and undeserved but "lore is messed up"

  • @furix
    @furix Před 7 měsíci +1

    Damn jiyuna I can't believe you got outplayed

  • @eFeXuy
    @eFeXuy Před 7 měsíci +1

    I was already sold at "braindead"

  • @GELTONZ
    @GELTONZ Před 7 měsíci +2

    Day 1 for me was miserable and I hated the game because EVERY fight was Nier, Belial, or Bubz and I was playing Anila.

  • @lucianoaguero6795
    @lucianoaguero6795 Před 7 měsíci +5

    Nier meta nerf is gonna be a bloodbath

    • @Xenozillex
      @Xenozillex Před 7 měsíci +1

      I would love a reverse baiken situation where they nerf her by making her more difficult to play to weed out the "mains"

  • @SavagePandaSwag
    @SavagePandaSwag Před 7 měsíci +1

    they're going do to Nier what they did to Ram in XRD Sign

  • @h4rdtr
    @h4rdtr Před 7 měsíci +1

    You weren't mashin smh

  • @Thanaroa
    @Thanaroa Před 7 měsíci +3

    Love puppet characters, was gonna learn nier. If arcsys makes her mid tier, i might play her in future but rn it feels cheap. Eustace it is

  • @spicyluvsyou
    @spicyluvsyou Před 7 měsíci +4

    I'm more amazed at how many people downplay this character. She's a setplay character with high damage. Those things typically are never good together 😂. I say this as a nier main.

  • @sindur3446
    @sindur3446 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Something I’ve noticed while playing Metera is she seems to just kind of dump on Nier naturally, and I find that amusing

  • @TheOznow
    @TheOznow Před 7 měsíci +4

    Maybe it’s just me but does anybody else feel like it’s hard to actually hit death? I’ve purposely thrown rounds trying to MASH and she still wouldn’t die 😂

    • @ANIMEILLUMINATI
      @ANIMEILLUMINATI  Před 7 měsíci +3

      You can only hit her when active which makes it rough

    • @TheOznow
      @TheOznow Před 7 měsíci +1

      ​@@ANIMEILLUMINATI wow that's pretty crazy

  • @KoopaKoot
    @KoopaKoot Před 7 měsíci +1

    You wanna win yo?
    PICK A TOP TIER!

  • @Ohsnapkline
    @Ohsnapkline Před 7 měsíci +1

    The time for neutral has ended, time now for baby shark 🦈

  • @waninoco
    @waninoco Před 7 měsíci +3

    I've always liked Nier and have been maining her since Midnight Carnival.

  • @percocetthirty
    @percocetthirty Před 7 měsíci +1

    drop the nier for dummies bro i spent 50 dollars and need to get this dopamine fix

  • @fiveromannumerals
    @fiveromannumerals Před 7 měsíci +1

    What song is playing in the background?

  • @Bovaz85
    @Bovaz85 Před 7 měsíci +1

    So, if I understand the message correctly, as an old and slow player myself, I should pick up Nier?

  • @kenshin2820
    @kenshin2820 Před 7 měsíci +1

    I’ve been playing nier since missing link

  • @Uooooooooooooh
    @Uooooooooooooh Před 7 měsíci +5

    I don't know Jiyuna personally I think having a "No I win" button whenever my opponent tries to pressure me greatly enhances my enjoyment of the video game
    actually it stopped being funny after 200 matches so I switched to other characters now until Nier gets nerfed and I have to relearn her, Soriz is pretty fun

  • @billyscenic5610
    @billyscenic5610 Před 7 měsíci +1

    I will pop your video on my second monitor and "watch" you while I play a game. Sometimes I forget to turn the sound on (its this annoying button) and I see you talk, and I can almost just lip read in your voice what you are saying, not even just the preamble. What I am saying Is I am not a CIA agent catching up on American expatriots, but that I think you could take your voice to a whole another arena of cash money. Whew.

  • @arnicevonroswell8045
    @arnicevonroswell8045 Před 7 měsíci +1

    "Just mash bro" is up there in one of the stupidest things to say

  • @yubeluchiha
    @yubeluchiha Před 7 měsíci +1

    Good think rank is tied behind your character then real skill lol once nier gets nerf people are still going to main her because the mechanics everyone has a chance to win in match ups

  • @2DFightergaming
    @2DFightergaming Před 7 měsíci +20

    Puppet characters are pretty much always strong in fighting games just because of the nature of the archetype. The only real difference with Nier is that she's accessible to use. You don't have to negative edge, or mind the Eddy meter, or manually position the puppet, or anything like that with Nier. Just press the special button + a direction to attack, and U to recall the puppet. Her combos have similar inputs to other people's combos, which mean more people can go crazy with this archetype. That's why she's so popular. It's rare to find a puppet character that's this accessible.
    I personally think it's a good thing. They've finally taken the puppet archetype from 4x sweatier than everyone else in the game, to about 1.5x sweatier. Once people get used to it, her popularity will decrease as everyone gravitates towards the actual OP characters... Seox and Zeta.
    Nier's got clear weaknesses:
    1) Projectile zoning
    2) ungaa bungaa psychos like Seox, Soriz, Zeta, etc
    3) Using the block button, and then a reversal, on her chain attacks while she's in range (this causes her to waste stocks) instead of trying to reversal her first attack.
    4) She wastes stocks on baited reversals... she doesn't get those for free.
    Right now, everyone fights against Nier the same way; They just run forward with 66L and start mashing their buttons. Then Nier hits a reversal into a big combo and they scream "WTF". If you bait the reversal (like you should do for everyone anyway), Nier has to start playing more carefully, because that kind of thing wastes her stocks. Yes, she can combo you for 50%... but that also costs 5+ stocks (of 13 total) to do. The fewer stocks she has, the less dangerous her offence becomes. You bait a reversal, or block a puppet hit and reversal out of the puppet's chain attack, maybe 1-2 times and you've made Nier waste literally half of her stocks without getting any damage. That's a bad situation for her. Nier has enough stocks to do 2 big combos per round. You interrupt those and she's in danger of running out of stocks (aka puppet attacks) before the round ends. And she becomes a LOT easier to fight against. Just my opinion.

    • @eml0073
      @eml0073 Před 7 měsíci +1

      agreed. people don't know how to deal with her right now. she's got some really strong shit. but she's also got some exploitable weaknesses. but thats how puppet characters are. when they get you in between themselves and the puppet, you're supposed to be screwed. you're getting 2 on 1ed. that's every puppet character I can think of.
      it's kind of funny that my man said he'd quit the game if nier doesn't get nerfed just because I quit the original GBVS over lowain. I flat out couldn't stand that iggy iggy iggy shit where he would become literally invincible for like 8 seconds and just rain hell on you and you had to basically QTE the shit or have the round stolen every time. I only started playing this game because I heard you can damage him while he's in iggy form now. just saying I get his frustration too. I been there over a different character.

    • @Kuraudou
      @Kuraudou Před 7 měsíci +3

      I wouldn't even call Nier a real puppet character. She doesn't act anywhere the same as someone she was supposed to function as. (Think someone like Shadow Labrys). I'd say Death is just an extension of her move sets. In the same vein Relius is. The issues I have with Nier are pretty much:
      A: Midscreen Damage is way too high
      B: Reversal takes 1 stock. ONE STOCK. And it doesn't even go on CD. (Oh, but it's limited. While she gets stronger the less stocks she has. MMHM)
      C: Damaging the puppet doesn't keep it out of commission long enough IMO.
      If you're going to keep that damage, at least reward us for smacking Death away and making her more vulnerable.
      Knowing every single string where Nier can make something that was supposed to be negative, now plus is too much of a risk for just to try and mash really. One too many where everyone else is pretty straightforward in knowing what they can and cannot do.
      Those are my main gripes really.

    • @qspec2002
      @qspec2002 Před 7 měsíci

      It isn't that she is accessible, it's that she can confirm off of everything. The fact that low-execution players can do her combos/setups has no bearing on whether she is strong or not.

    • @2DFightergaming
      @2DFightergaming Před 7 měsíci +1

      @@Kuraudou I don't want to diminish your complaints. Nier is very strong. But I think her strength is kind of necessary in a way, in this game. I also play Ferry. And let me tell you, people just mindlessly rushing me down with 66L is nearly unbearable with her.
      With Nier, people think twice about that, or they eat a 50% damage combo mid screen and get caught up in my set play. I don't think Nier would need such a strong reversal (being able to combo off of it) if certain universal game mechanics (and just ungaa bungaa in general) weren't so strong in this game.
      I think Nier represents not only the shiny new, previously "gatekept" archetype... but higher level players are gravitating towards her because she's also the answer to some pretty wild universal game mechanics that can just be oppressive if you don't have a strong way to discourage, for example, the abuse of 66L.
      Consider this, if Nier gets nerfed into the dirt tomorrow, do you think this game would then be fair? Or would people then start complaining about Zeta, Seox, Soriz, etc who are already just as strong, if not stronger, than Nier? I think before individual characters are looked at, certain universal game mechanics need to be toned down. I'm no expert. That's just my 2 cents.

    • @Kuraudou
      @Kuraudou Před 7 měsíci

      ​@@2DFightergaming
      Everyone suffers to 66L. I play Vira. 66L is cancer. What do I get to fight it? My DP. That goes on CD. Or my BP so I can create space. Nier? Super Armor DP for the cost of 1 Card. INTO A COMBO. Nier doesn't NEED it. She doesn't have to even think about BP. If most of the cast
      has to deal with the same pressure to a degree, she doesn't need to be the exception when she already has plenty of damaging tools in her arsenal.
      Yes, the reason why people can skate over some of the other cast is because their tools aren't as oppressive. They can actually be handled and it actually takes some skill to work with(putting Seox aside). There's a reason why there's like 24-13 Masters between these two. It's their ease of access.
      Putting the characters aside, there are problems in the game's core mechanics. I know already. There's a lot that I hate about it. But it isn't the place to go off on it(Why even bother spot dodging moves sometimes if people can just mash L Auto Combo? HAH) Nerfing Nier isn't the solution to the overall game's fundamentals, but to at least bring SOME balance to what we currently have.
      It's like saying Kokonoe was fine upon release and that she needed her Blackhole loops to be relevant. When she had the most broken thing in her kit as a special. Control of your character's movement.

  • @runifuceeme406
    @runifuceeme406 Před 7 měsíci +1

    KINDA COOL "NIER" IS ALREADY IN THE GAME, AND THEY JUST RELEASED THE TRAILER FOR "2B" .. TAKE A BOW ARKSYS/GRANBLUE, TAKE A BOW..

  • @boros9685
    @boros9685 Před 7 měsíci +1

    I knew something was off when I was loosing to every nier online lmfao

  • @Seama327
    @Seama327 Před 7 měsíci +2

    I really wish this game didn’t have a block button:(

    • @ANIMEILLUMINATI
      @ANIMEILLUMINATI  Před 7 měsíci +2

      Same, but you need it. Some of the mix is too cheap

  • @GeminionRay
    @GeminionRay Před 7 měsíci +1

    "Not free to play" lol iykwim. Also Zeta is pretty up there to.

  • @Franko_L_L
    @Franko_L_L Před 7 měsíci +3

    Absolutely insane character

  • @augusmnyt
    @augusmnyt Před 7 měsíci +9

    I get she’s cracked but it’s crazy to really focus on her when Seox and Zeta also exist in this game. I get more bent fighting against Seox slop.

    • @potatsword
      @potatsword Před 7 měsíci

      Nier army is bigger atm so she gets all the attention for now.

    • @nerio1227
      @nerio1227 Před 7 měsíci +2

      1/3 of my matches are freaking Nier so guessing I'm not the only one hence the voice is louder on her. Fought alot os Seoxs too and for me they are the same. The pressure just doesn't end with a shit ton of damage output as a reward.

    • @uhoh7545
      @uhoh7545 Před 7 měsíci

      Does NA have that edgy dog in them??? I've fought a single seox to far and mixed his ass in the corner with lil wayne for a free rank up

    • @thelaughingdragon32
      @thelaughingdragon32 Před 7 měsíci

      She is the next happy chaos

    • @ANIMEILLUMINATI
      @ANIMEILLUMINATI  Před 7 měsíci

      50% matches are Nier

  • @Yukari_MAiG
    @Yukari_MAiG Před 7 měsíci +3

    Nier deserves this!
    I mean her lore is so painful she deserves something nice. 😭

  • @shadatoosaucy3445
    @shadatoosaucy3445 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Everyone says just mash but im different...have u tried repeatedly pressing buttons :kappa:

  • @ZeroillusionX
    @ZeroillusionX Před 7 měsíci +2

    As someone who likes to bully people on fighting games, I gotta say, I really don't care if there's stuff that makes the game unfun for people, and I would care even less if its easy to play so that everyone can do the same, what matters to me is if I can make people have no fun when they play with me, as i'm hearing she's not the best character right? she's consider one of the best but the fact that she's so easy to play that it hard carries people is the issue here, which I honestly don't see as a problem, because I played games where this happens to an even greater degree, for example, jigglypuff on melee, kirby on 64, pre patch diddy on smash 4, bayonetta on smash 4, petshop on jojo, but obviously he was without a doubt the best character in the game by a humoungus margin, bison on street 2, guile on 2, sagat on 2, easy as hell characters that really didn't took that much to play and hard carry people, super turbo is full of characters easy as hell to play that hard carry and the always thrive, I don't man, I can totally see this being an issue if she's the absolute best character in the game, because if I can pick it up and do worse to people then im all in for it, my main pleasure is to torture others for the sake of my own entertaiment.

    • @ANIMEILLUMINATI
      @ANIMEILLUMINATI  Před 7 měsíci

      You are 100% a Nier player lmao. Go bully!

    • @ZeroillusionX
      @ZeroillusionX Před 7 měsíci

      @@ANIMEILLUMINATI I'm a bully, but im also poor, so I'll wait for thr free to play nier.

  • @Leerimius
    @Leerimius Před 7 měsíci +2

    Puppet characters should both not have armored reversal nor should they be able to convert the armored reversal they shouldn't have into 6k damage. The whole point of the character archetype is that they have strong desynced offense that's difficult to escape from, and that when they aren't set up they're weaker. At no point is she weak unless she recklessly burns through all of her charges on pressure. And honestly good luck surviving 13 chained specials worth of mixups.
    -She should lose half stacks if you hit Death. It's such a huge threat that you should be greatly rewarded for successfully challenging it.
    -More stacks should be consumed if she's converting them into damage
    -The armor needs to go, come out like frame 3 so its not usable on wakeup, or it cannot be canceled out of if it's the starting special in the chain. Take your pick or mix and match.
    -She should suffer a scaling penalty that continues to grow the more specials she chains.
    -She should die after running out of stacks.
    All reasonable and well thought out rebalances which were not in any way related to me matching up against multiple S+ Niers in casual matchmaking.

  • @elijahoneill5228
    @elijahoneill5228 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Just armor through it- Vasaraga player

  • @samflynnmadsally
    @samflynnmadsally Před 7 měsíci +1

    She's called what again? Because I have a new main in a fighting game I've never played. Don't judge me.

  • @tronixchl2004
    @tronixchl2004 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Happy chaos tier of meta game, difference being she's easy to play so ITS EVEN WORSE, holy shit.... I hope they nerf her into the ground cuz a puppet character shouldn't have THAT POWER

  • @Gramercy666
    @Gramercy666 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Wanna see what ogawa does with nier 🙃

  • @JeanKhul-rv9tc
    @JeanKhul-rv9tc Před 7 měsíci +1

    I LIKE

  • @DoctorKarkand
    @DoctorKarkand Před 7 měsíci +1

    No need to wait for a patch, just play her NOW.

  • @lenneth1188
    @lenneth1188 Před 7 měsíci +2

    I've mained Nier since super turbo

  • @wesbellcabrera1872
    @wesbellcabrera1872 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Some dude on discord who plays Ferry has been telling us about his friend who is a Nier player who constantly whines about Ferry for "being stronger than Nier".

  • @undergod4930
    @undergod4930 Před 7 měsíci +2

    Man never fought all buff patch berserker in dnf. But she is p funny.

  • @coolfish420
    @coolfish420 Před 7 měsíci +4

    I will be the first Uno master.

    • @Mrholysymbol
      @Mrholysymbol Před 7 měsíci

      I'm rooting for you big dog, he could use the representation

    • @Layazeroda
      @Layazeroda Před 7 měsíci

      If you can master him, that actually might not be too hard because NO ONE will know his mix.

  • @nekrofantasia1433
    @nekrofantasia1433 Před 7 měsíci +4

    I don't care how bad they nerf this character, I will still play her