Power Creep In Fighting Games
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- čas přidán 6. 09. 2024
- Power creep in fighting games is definitely a real thing when you compare characters like Siegfried in Granblue Fantasy Versus Rising to the vanilla cast, let's watch a Siegfried mirror and talk about how good he is!
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"Use an ultimate skill." Cygames we are two seconds in the round, am I supposed to go to the bank and ask them to give me an advance on my meter? A little loaner I'll just pay back closer to the end of the round?
its so funny cuz even if u had the meter imagine having to use a super just cuz someone used a fireball
My character has some wack ultimate skills. Even with meter none of them are helping me with that fireball
@@amikawi My character has a literal fucking gun and is worse at projectiles than Guts - Prettyboy Edition
@@Songofwyrd LOLL
He's nothing like Guts but leave it to Berserk fans to have basically no idea about anything other than Berserk.@@Songofwyrd
There are two characters that can use health as a resource to buff their damage. One of them has the lowest health in the game, the other has above average HP. Fortunately, the health drain is not a core mechanic for one of them.
Wait, it's the character that has above average HP?
POWER CREEP
And none of these Sieg players even use U that often if at all.
The Latif "You're carried" mod for the flashback is the best BY FAR
WALLAH!
I pick up GBVSR demo, main Siegfried, and then Jiyuna uploads a video on GBVSR featuring Siegfried a few hours later lol.
Siegfried was playable in the demo because of this match. They make the tournament winners that week's F2P rotation.
I feel like people don't have the same reaction to Sieg as they do to Nier and Seox due to him just having very good tools that don't otherwise seem to break the "rules" of the game, except maybe his fireball being really nuts. It's still a less obvious super strong tool compared to Nier 623H and Seox U wallcling.
Commenting on every video before Arakune BBCF combo trials, video 109. Power creep within FGs is a really really interesting topic, would love to listen to you talk about it more.
I think some of Siegfried's stuff is silly with the ending lag. Even if you predict and dodge some of his moves he gets to punish you.
GBFVR is my favorite fighting game since CVS2. I’m so in love with it.
Good to hear
3:17 I’m so glad Jiyuna is mentioning this. Guard Cancel is going so under the radar. It’s my least favourite mechanic in the game with how risk free it is. Plus on block, hard knock downs, and really hard to bait. People are also using offensively just to keep the corner, it’s very non-interactive.
The risk comes in the form of dying if you do a single mistake later
@@0GTXRThat’s true, it’s not completely risk free. You can always get guard points back through SBA, and when you’re less than half health you’re 1 hit from dying anyway. Especially if you’re in the corner and/or your opponent has meter.
There’s also the risk of doing it and just having the raging strike come out.
I think it should be -6 not +6 and shouldn’t give you oki. Shit is Melty blood Hbunker on crack.
It’s definitely not my least favorite system mechanic though, that would be SSBA removing 2 BP. If you guard cancel or use RS even once in a match and get hit by a random super somehow you are in the red and about to lose regardless of life lead beforehand.
ive only played a bit on f2p and felt my eyes glazing over after the dozenth time someone mashed it in frame 1 of their blockstun, couldnt tell if this is just the game or if i'm supposed to learn some psychotic array of OSes to run basic offense (like KoF and MBTL, or - god forbid - DNF)
Guard cancel resetting to neutral and being -2 would be nice the hkd is the biggest criminal part about it
Are you supposed DP through the firewall ?
You cannot forward dodge or jump over it. I’ve just been walking backwards and blocking low but that means I’m getting closer to the corner. I could spot dodge but it’s usually really slow and I get stabbed in the foot.
Man I just wish you can forward dodge every projectile. Dragon lasers and sheep included
Some Ultimate Skills work. Running forward and blocking works if you can’t interrupt.
Just so you know, when you say he's using an easy input super, but it says "Good," that actually means he did the full motion. And you want to use full motion in neutral because of the damage bonus.
The reaction speed is worth more that 10% bonus.
making access to power like this so easy was a great idea, i hope in the future we dont even need to play our fighters anymore, and we can just watch as we go button awesome button awesome button awesome !!! its not about the inputs guys !!!!
my R1 match at Frosty's was Guyman Siegfried. First match I won clean, but then he said "oh nah I'm Siegfried" and beat Katalina's ass
haha nah he was good though. I think. Maybe
Siegfried and Metera being in the same game is hilarious
Europe holding down that 240p
Keeping the arcade spirit alive.
That footage is actually 480p. That's goated
Funny how you release this vid after I started playing the free edition and 2 days ago they let me use Siegfried which was one of the characters that I wanted to buy the whole game to play. Now I get to try him in the free edition and I love using him... and then you release this vid hahah! Weird timing! From the list of characters it was gonna be between: Siegfried, Belzeebub, Eustace Vaseraga and Licilius. But Visually it has been Siegfried, and now playing him I am even more convinced he is my main!
Sieg got released because of this tournament. They make the Top 3 the F2P characters of the week.
@@ANIMEILLUMINATI AAAHHH! That makes sense.
I hate Sigfried. His firewall is annoying as sin. Close range feels like a guessing game like we’re pretty much just playing Rock Paper Scissors. And Sigfried is the character that wake up supers. Technically anyone can wake up super but Sigfried is the fuking poster boy for wake up super. Oh and because bullshit learning curve you technically can’t punish unblock unless you swing heavy. So to my knowledge I basically have to swing a heavy and then use a bravery point combo
On block. Not unblock
You know technically has a super where he recovers HP meaning he’s immune to chip damage. No one gives a s*it Because he’s gonna wake up super
It's like a breath of fresh air seeing a Grand Finals without a Nier or Seox lol
Well... I have some bad news for you regarding tomorrow's video lol
this thumbnail reminded me of when i was playing sets with percival against my friend who was on sieg. call it salt but it felt downright unfair to me how percival didn't have a single thing going for him over siegfried, siegfried just does everything better than him
As long as the Sig-nerfs doesn’t hit before my boy Vane does, I’m good.
woah, even the big dogs are getting accidental raging strike
Tekken 8 now with heat has all kinds of chip damage. Even if it's recoverable, some characters are straight up brutal with it.
I'm not a fan of Tekken heat system
@@ANIMEILLUMINATI looking forward to hearing ur thoughts in a launch day tekken video posted two months after launch day
What about the people who use the default color because they ARE the protagonist (beta food is the only one I can think of)
First.....
No Percival... ?
Congrats
Sig fireball is one of those things you could easily see being a super 😂
How dare you expose my checkmate Anila strategy of guard cancel into Ultimate flock of sheep
Works on me every time
that’s why only buffs people are stupid. imagine if in sf6 every character was as ridiculous as ken/luke/deejay etc.
I like to use technical inputs for combos and easy inputs for reversals :D
He is the strongest Dragon Knight, so it makes sense that he is OP. lol
Siegfried rekka:
L = Quick upward slash
M = Counter stance with automatic follow-up on hit
H = Spin slash
U = Command grab
Vane will probably be weaker than Siegfried.
I turned off technical inputs. I'm all in on easy inputs.
Lance is better than Sieg in game.
Percival with full stocks is a kind of functioning character that is still weaker than Sieg at roundstart. Lol.
Speaking of chip damage though, Percy 236U is fucking awesome. Too bad he sucks!
I mix both commands because I am a boomer with an arcade stick.
I tend to do that too.
Same. Except I’m on pad atm because my stick died not too long ago, lol.
This character have Haomaru's moves 👀
Sad that Dragoi dont make it to qualify for the Sieg army stopping him
you started talking but got sidetracked about siegfried's 5U, it was used like 3 time the entire set, it's completely ignorable. i think they need to lower his damage outside of buff state and buff his damage when he's in it to bring it back to current damage or something
It seems really easy to use so not sure why more people don't just do it? Maybe his damage is already high enough so no need to worry about it
I'm late to the video but honestly in my experience I would only really get a stack if I knew I was safe to do so and I wouldn't get rushed down and punished for it (you can use it in some combos though)
I use anila color 14 with the black sheep spear
Style is everything
Second best fighting game out right now. First is Tekken 8😜
Tekken is really good.
Under night in birth 2
Characters like Seig make me wonder why Vaseraga has to be tuned down so hard
He’s still my hardest matchup
Melty Blood video waiting room
Day: 3
give up
Siegfried probably won't get kneecaped most because he's strong but honest. He has clear tells for what he's going to do and as a Siegfried player I know that when things don't go as planned you can lose a round quickly
lol
while percival is honest, but also weak
Yeah I don't think he needs big nerfs. Worry about the Top 5 first
So far I have enjoyed Granblue rising more than expected. Been so annoyed of MK 1 and SF6, deleted both and then Dld GBVR and I have had an overall good experience. If it wasn't for Avatar Belial, Nier, gimmicky Lowain, Yuel I would call it my new nr.1 fighting game. Depending on how it goes from here we will see. But those characters just makes me go... so we have these annoying characters here as well... great... zzz And still, so far it feels the most balanced in terms of overall mechanic after about 20 hours. So still early for me.
Zooey needs a BUFF, they did her dirty again.
She's solid mid.
Sieg is the only character that is pretty much minus in everything, oh, an Vaseraga. Could you mention his favorite matchups? Cause i can tell a lot of matchups that are pretty much auto loss for him. Over 2000k matches of experience. For instance, Sieg can't even move vs Lucilius, Nier i don't even need to talk about. Vira? LOL You never press a button again after she begin to attack.
2000k matches, wow
@@ANIMEILLUMINATI ops, misspelling lol
Believe it or not, Tekken has the most amount of chip damage out of every recent FG 😂.
This is what happens when an illegitimate criminal gambling company makes a fighting game, no surprise there
Chip damage is cool but you shouldnt be able to kill with it. Leave me at 1hp sure. But dying to projectile spam from across the screen as im blocking is cringe.
As a vas main get gud as i armor through everything
Siegfried is such a bully
I got perfected by this character last time I played.
I mean yea, it is real.... but you guys keep asking for characters to be "better", not "balanced", so....
Balance means nothing if the characters are weak and boring.
@@VileGlory If its balanced they aren't weak. If balance is boring, its because you desire instant gratification instead of working for results. That's always been a personal, human problem. Not a game design problem.
@@Rikuto01 couldn't agree more mate.
Your fucking mentality is everything that’s wrong with the fighting game community I stg. We can’t have a healthy meta because devs see people like you and stop trying to balance their games correctly. It’s why GGST has always been a constant shitshow
Chad Astaroth wisdom
Power creep is a result of players learning a character and learning what to punish, let fly, and what the character can and cannot do for now.
Brother, percival has been powercrept, and I guarantee you it was not due to anything a player can do
@@bassbusterx patch notes
@@user-pr8gx3vb9hbrother, what patch notes, we had no rebalancing thus far
@@bassbusterx my mistake
Nah, power creep happens when existing kits see no consideration in design of new ones.
Why play Percy or Kat when you can play Siege?
OH NOOO. THE MOBA TERMS ARE COMING.
powercreep is not even remotely exclusively linked to mobas
I know it from card games
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