Power Creep In Fighting Games

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  • čas přidán 6. 09. 2024
  • Power creep in fighting games is definitely a real thing when you compare characters like Siegfried in Granblue Fantasy Versus Rising to the vanilla cast, let's watch a Siegfried mirror and talk about how good he is!
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Komentáře • 115

  • @Songofwyrd
    @Songofwyrd Před 7 měsíci +80

    "Use an ultimate skill." Cygames we are two seconds in the round, am I supposed to go to the bank and ask them to give me an advance on my meter? A little loaner I'll just pay back closer to the end of the round?

    • @user-bkey
      @user-bkey Před 7 měsíci +8

      its so funny cuz even if u had the meter imagine having to use a super just cuz someone used a fireball

    • @amikawi
      @amikawi Před 7 měsíci +7

      My character has some wack ultimate skills. Even with meter none of them are helping me with that fireball

    • @Songofwyrd
      @Songofwyrd Před 7 měsíci +3

      @@amikawi My character has a literal fucking gun and is worse at projectiles than Guts - Prettyboy Edition

    • @amikawi
      @amikawi Před 7 měsíci

      @@Songofwyrd LOLL

    • @GetterRay
      @GetterRay Před 6 měsíci

      He's nothing like Guts but leave it to Berserk fans to have basically no idea about anything other than Berserk.@@Songofwyrd

  • @zenine7286
    @zenine7286 Před 7 měsíci +22

    There are two characters that can use health as a resource to buff their damage. One of them has the lowest health in the game, the other has above average HP. Fortunately, the health drain is not a core mechanic for one of them.
    Wait, it's the character that has above average HP?

  • @Franko_L_L
    @Franko_L_L Před 7 měsíci +34

    The Latif "You're carried" mod for the flashback is the best BY FAR

  • @chidori7234
    @chidori7234 Před 7 měsíci +26

    I pick up GBVSR demo, main Siegfried, and then Jiyuna uploads a video on GBVSR featuring Siegfried a few hours later lol.

    • @ANIMEILLUMINATI
      @ANIMEILLUMINATI  Před 7 měsíci +11

      Siegfried was playable in the demo because of this match. They make the tournament winners that week's F2P rotation.

  • @JalisR
    @JalisR Před 7 měsíci +5

    I feel like people don't have the same reaction to Sieg as they do to Nier and Seox due to him just having very good tools that don't otherwise seem to break the "rules" of the game, except maybe his fireball being really nuts. It's still a less obvious super strong tool compared to Nier 623H and Seox U wallcling.

  • @DarkProdigy820
    @DarkProdigy820 Před 7 měsíci +13

    Commenting on every video before Arakune BBCF combo trials, video 109. Power creep within FGs is a really really interesting topic, would love to listen to you talk about it more.

  • @1337Sess
    @1337Sess Před 7 měsíci +7

    I think some of Siegfried's stuff is silly with the ending lag. Even if you predict and dodge some of his moves he gets to punish you.

  • @justingoers
    @justingoers Před 7 měsíci +3

    GBFVR is my favorite fighting game since CVS2. I’m so in love with it.

  • @ScaredEz
    @ScaredEz Před 7 měsíci +9

    3:17 I’m so glad Jiyuna is mentioning this. Guard Cancel is going so under the radar. It’s my least favourite mechanic in the game with how risk free it is. Plus on block, hard knock downs, and really hard to bait. People are also using offensively just to keep the corner, it’s very non-interactive.

    • @0GTXR
      @0GTXR Před 7 měsíci +12

      The risk comes in the form of dying if you do a single mistake later

    • @ScaredEz
      @ScaredEz Před 7 měsíci +1

      @@0GTXRThat’s true, it’s not completely risk free. You can always get guard points back through SBA, and when you’re less than half health you’re 1 hit from dying anyway. Especially if you’re in the corner and/or your opponent has meter.

    • @justingoers
      @justingoers Před 7 měsíci +2

      There’s also the risk of doing it and just having the raging strike come out.

    • @Vsolid
      @Vsolid Před 7 měsíci +1

      I think it should be -6 not +6 and shouldn’t give you oki. Shit is Melty blood Hbunker on crack.
      It’s definitely not my least favorite system mechanic though, that would be SSBA removing 2 BP. If you guard cancel or use RS even once in a match and get hit by a random super somehow you are in the red and about to lose regardless of life lead beforehand.

    • @ckorp666
      @ckorp666 Před 7 měsíci +1

      ive only played a bit on f2p and felt my eyes glazing over after the dozenth time someone mashed it in frame 1 of their blockstun, couldnt tell if this is just the game or if i'm supposed to learn some psychotic array of OSes to run basic offense (like KoF and MBTL, or - god forbid - DNF)

  • @xxalcarazxx
    @xxalcarazxx Před 7 měsíci +4

    Guard cancel resetting to neutral and being -2 would be nice the hkd is the biggest criminal part about it

  • @xaviersejour9183
    @xaviersejour9183 Před 7 měsíci +3

    Are you supposed DP through the firewall ?
    You cannot forward dodge or jump over it. I’ve just been walking backwards and blocking low but that means I’m getting closer to the corner. I could spot dodge but it’s usually really slow and I get stabbed in the foot.
    Man I just wish you can forward dodge every projectile. Dragon lasers and sheep included

    • @ANIMEILLUMINATI
      @ANIMEILLUMINATI  Před 7 měsíci

      Some Ultimate Skills work. Running forward and blocking works if you can’t interrupt.

  • @strippinheat
    @strippinheat Před 7 měsíci +3

    Just so you know, when you say he's using an easy input super, but it says "Good," that actually means he did the full motion. And you want to use full motion in neutral because of the damage bonus.

    • @ANIMEILLUMINATI
      @ANIMEILLUMINATI  Před 7 měsíci +1

      The reaction speed is worth more that 10% bonus.

  • @Thermalfusi0n
    @Thermalfusi0n Před 7 měsíci +5

    making access to power like this so easy was a great idea, i hope in the future we dont even need to play our fighters anymore, and we can just watch as we go button awesome button awesome button awesome !!! its not about the inputs guys !!!!

  • @purifyws
    @purifyws Před 7 měsíci +2

    my R1 match at Frosty's was Guyman Siegfried. First match I won clean, but then he said "oh nah I'm Siegfried" and beat Katalina's ass
    haha nah he was good though. I think. Maybe

  • @Brghtestknght
    @Brghtestknght Před 7 měsíci +22

    Siegfried and Metera being in the same game is hilarious

  • @_K-rad
    @_K-rad Před 7 měsíci +9

    Europe holding down that 240p

  • @amikawi
    @amikawi Před 7 měsíci +2

    That footage is actually 480p. That's goated

  • @FrankTheDoomriderJohansen
    @FrankTheDoomriderJohansen Před 7 měsíci +2

    Funny how you release this vid after I started playing the free edition and 2 days ago they let me use Siegfried which was one of the characters that I wanted to buy the whole game to play. Now I get to try him in the free edition and I love using him... and then you release this vid hahah! Weird timing! From the list of characters it was gonna be between: Siegfried, Belzeebub, Eustace Vaseraga and Licilius. But Visually it has been Siegfried, and now playing him I am even more convinced he is my main!

    • @ANIMEILLUMINATI
      @ANIMEILLUMINATI  Před 7 měsíci +1

      Sieg got released because of this tournament. They make the Top 3 the F2P characters of the week.

    • @FrankTheDoomriderJohansen
      @FrankTheDoomriderJohansen Před 7 měsíci

      @@ANIMEILLUMINATI AAAHHH! That makes sense.

  • @xaviersejour9183
    @xaviersejour9183 Před 7 měsíci +3

    I hate Sigfried. His firewall is annoying as sin. Close range feels like a guessing game like we’re pretty much just playing Rock Paper Scissors. And Sigfried is the character that wake up supers. Technically anyone can wake up super but Sigfried is the fuking poster boy for wake up super. Oh and because bullshit learning curve you technically can’t punish unblock unless you swing heavy. So to my knowledge I basically have to swing a heavy and then use a bravery point combo

    • @xaviersejour9183
      @xaviersejour9183 Před 7 měsíci

      On block. Not unblock

    • @xaviersejour9183
      @xaviersejour9183 Před 7 měsíci

      You know technically has a super where he recovers HP meaning he’s immune to chip damage. No one gives a s*it Because he’s gonna wake up super

  • @kaigai-nikimajikoi325
    @kaigai-nikimajikoi325 Před 7 měsíci +17

    It's like a breath of fresh air seeing a Grand Finals without a Nier or Seox lol

    • @ANIMEILLUMINATI
      @ANIMEILLUMINATI  Před 7 měsíci +15

      Well... I have some bad news for you regarding tomorrow's video lol

  • @Uooooooooooooh
    @Uooooooooooooh Před 7 měsíci +2

    this thumbnail reminded me of when i was playing sets with percival against my friend who was on sieg. call it salt but it felt downright unfair to me how percival didn't have a single thing going for him over siegfried, siegfried just does everything better than him

  • @shajita
    @shajita Před 7 měsíci +4

    As long as the Sig-nerfs doesn’t hit before my boy Vane does, I’m good.

  • @moonbeam2730
    @moonbeam2730 Před 7 měsíci +1

    woah, even the big dogs are getting accidental raging strike

  • @AegisRick
    @AegisRick Před 7 měsíci +3

    Tekken 8 now with heat has all kinds of chip damage. Even if it's recoverable, some characters are straight up brutal with it.

    • @ANIMEILLUMINATI
      @ANIMEILLUMINATI  Před 7 měsíci +1

      I'm not a fan of Tekken heat system

    • @ckorp666
      @ckorp666 Před 7 měsíci

      @@ANIMEILLUMINATI looking forward to hearing ur thoughts in a launch day tekken video posted two months after launch day

  • @retrored
    @retrored Před 7 měsíci +4

    What about the people who use the default color because they ARE the protagonist (beta food is the only one I can think of)

  • @brayenmorrison3199
    @brayenmorrison3199 Před 7 měsíci +16

    First.....
    No Percival... ?

  • @ZzigZaG00NIN
    @ZzigZaG00NIN Před 7 měsíci +2

    Sig fireball is one of those things you could easily see being a super 😂

  • @ZioSerpe
    @ZioSerpe Před 7 měsíci +2

    How dare you expose my checkmate Anila strategy of guard cancel into Ultimate flock of sheep

  • @nicorobin7762
    @nicorobin7762 Před 7 měsíci +2

    that’s why only buffs people are stupid. imagine if in sf6 every character was as ridiculous as ken/luke/deejay etc.

  • @Roaring__Moon
    @Roaring__Moon Před 7 měsíci +1

    I like to use technical inputs for combos and easy inputs for reversals :D

  • @KhMaIBQ
    @KhMaIBQ Před 7 měsíci +1

    He is the strongest Dragon Knight, so it makes sense that he is OP. lol
    Siegfried rekka:
    L = Quick upward slash
    M = Counter stance with automatic follow-up on hit
    H = Spin slash
    U = Command grab
    Vane will probably be weaker than Siegfried.
    I turned off technical inputs. I'm all in on easy inputs.

  • @Vsolid
    @Vsolid Před 7 měsíci +3

    Percival with full stocks is a kind of functioning character that is still weaker than Sieg at roundstart. Lol.
    Speaking of chip damage though, Percy 236U is fucking awesome. Too bad he sucks!

  • @kagon01
    @kagon01 Před 7 měsíci +3

    I mix both commands because I am a boomer with an arcade stick.

    • @ANIMEILLUMINATI
      @ANIMEILLUMINATI  Před 7 měsíci +1

      I tend to do that too.

    • @Roaring__Moon
      @Roaring__Moon Před 7 měsíci

      Same. Except I’m on pad atm because my stick died not too long ago, lol.

  • @papasfritas3853
    @papasfritas3853 Před 7 měsíci +1

    This character have Haomaru's moves 👀

  • @CosmicRPG
    @CosmicRPG Před 7 měsíci +2

    Sad that Dragoi dont make it to qualify for the Sieg army stopping him

  • @Maqso
    @Maqso Před 7 měsíci +1

    you started talking but got sidetracked about siegfried's 5U, it was used like 3 time the entire set, it's completely ignorable. i think they need to lower his damage outside of buff state and buff his damage when he's in it to bring it back to current damage or something

    • @ANIMEILLUMINATI
      @ANIMEILLUMINATI  Před 7 měsíci +4

      It seems really easy to use so not sure why more people don't just do it? Maybe his damage is already high enough so no need to worry about it

    • @cheesura485
      @cheesura485 Před 6 měsíci

      I'm late to the video but honestly in my experience I would only really get a stack if I knew I was safe to do so and I wouldn't get rushed down and punished for it (you can use it in some combos though)

  • @thelaughingdragon32
    @thelaughingdragon32 Před 7 měsíci +1

    I use anila color 14 with the black sheep spear

  • @tavianfloyd6589
    @tavianfloyd6589 Před 7 měsíci +3

    Second best fighting game out right now. First is Tekken 8😜

  • @CompressionPolice
    @CompressionPolice Před 7 měsíci +1

    Characters like Seig make me wonder why Vaseraga has to be tuned down so hard

  • @RealKatTea
    @RealKatTea Před 7 měsíci +3

    Melty Blood video waiting room
    Day: 3

  • @Stardustphantom97
    @Stardustphantom97 Před 7 měsíci +5

    Siegfried probably won't get kneecaped most because he's strong but honest. He has clear tells for what he's going to do and as a Siegfried player I know that when things don't go as planned you can lose a round quickly

  • @FrankTheDoomriderJohansen
    @FrankTheDoomriderJohansen Před 7 měsíci +1

    So far I have enjoyed Granblue rising more than expected. Been so annoyed of MK 1 and SF6, deleted both and then Dld GBVR and I have had an overall good experience. If it wasn't for Avatar Belial, Nier, gimmicky Lowain, Yuel I would call it my new nr.1 fighting game. Depending on how it goes from here we will see. But those characters just makes me go... so we have these annoying characters here as well... great... zzz And still, so far it feels the most balanced in terms of overall mechanic after about 20 hours. So still early for me.

  • @Itachiflameamaterasu
    @Itachiflameamaterasu Před 7 měsíci +1

    Zooey needs a BUFF, they did her dirty again.

  • @AEspiral
    @AEspiral Před 7 měsíci +2

    Sieg is the only character that is pretty much minus in everything, oh, an Vaseraga. Could you mention his favorite matchups? Cause i can tell a lot of matchups that are pretty much auto loss for him. Over 2000k matches of experience. For instance, Sieg can't even move vs Lucilius, Nier i don't even need to talk about. Vira? LOL You never press a button again after she begin to attack.

  • @salimgarcia2297
    @salimgarcia2297 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Believe it or not, Tekken has the most amount of chip damage out of every recent FG 😂.

  • @ramentraveler7099
    @ramentraveler7099 Před 7 měsíci +1

    This is what happens when an illegitimate criminal gambling company makes a fighting game, no surprise there

  • @MrWhiteKniight
    @MrWhiteKniight Před 7 měsíci +3

    Chip damage is cool but you shouldnt be able to kill with it. Leave me at 1hp sure. But dying to projectile spam from across the screen as im blocking is cringe.

  • @elijahoneill5228
    @elijahoneill5228 Před 7 měsíci +1

    As a vas main get gud as i armor through everything

  • @Prodighee
    @Prodighee Před 7 měsíci +1

    Siegfried is such a bully

  • @amperiumx
    @amperiumx Před 7 měsíci +2

    I got perfected by this character last time I played.

  • @Rikuto01
    @Rikuto01 Před 7 měsíci +6

    I mean yea, it is real.... but you guys keep asking for characters to be "better", not "balanced", so....

    • @VileGlory
      @VileGlory Před 7 měsíci +9

      Balance means nothing if the characters are weak and boring.

    • @Rikuto01
      @Rikuto01 Před 7 měsíci +11

      @@VileGlory If its balanced they aren't weak. If balance is boring, its because you desire instant gratification instead of working for results. That's always been a personal, human problem. Not a game design problem.

    • @salimgarcia2297
      @salimgarcia2297 Před 7 měsíci +1

      ​@@Rikuto01 couldn't agree more mate.

    • @ramentraveler7099
      @ramentraveler7099 Před 7 měsíci

      Your fucking mentality is everything that’s wrong with the fighting game community I stg. We can’t have a healthy meta because devs see people like you and stop trying to balance their games correctly. It’s why GGST has always been a constant shitshow

    • @bizooty8782
      @bizooty8782 Před 7 měsíci +1

      Chad Astaroth wisdom

  • @user-pr8gx3vb9h
    @user-pr8gx3vb9h Před 7 měsíci +2

    Power creep is a result of players learning a character and learning what to punish, let fly, and what the character can and cannot do for now.

    • @bassbusterx
      @bassbusterx Před 7 měsíci

      Brother, percival has been powercrept, and I guarantee you it was not due to anything a player can do

    • @user-pr8gx3vb9h
      @user-pr8gx3vb9h Před 7 měsíci

      @@bassbusterx patch notes

    • @bassbusterx
      @bassbusterx Před 7 měsíci +3

      ​@@user-pr8gx3vb9hbrother, what patch notes, we had no rebalancing thus far

    • @user-pr8gx3vb9h
      @user-pr8gx3vb9h Před 7 měsíci

      @@bassbusterx my mistake

    • @Songofwyrd
      @Songofwyrd Před 7 měsíci +1

      Nah, power creep happens when existing kits see no consideration in design of new ones.
      Why play Percy or Kat when you can play Siege?

  • @DavimonVtube
    @DavimonVtube Před 7 měsíci +1

    OH NOOO. THE MOBA TERMS ARE COMING.

    • @Thermalfusi0n
      @Thermalfusi0n Před 7 měsíci +3

      powercreep is not even remotely exclusively linked to mobas

    • @ANIMEILLUMINATI
      @ANIMEILLUMINATI  Před 7 měsíci +3

      I know it from card games

  • @SoShiBias
    @SoShiBias Před 7 měsíci +1

    Free gang here is free-ing.
    Get on people. It's FREE.