How to shorten Seiko Sumo or Monster pin and collar bracelet!
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- čas přidán 5. 09. 2021
- Here's a quick tutorial on how to shorten or resize your pin and collar bracelet. This bracelet is somewhat unpopular due to the fiddly adjustment, but it's not as bad as people say. They are used on Seiko Sumo and Monster models to my knowledge, not sure what other models. All you need is a thin pin-like tool and a ballpoint pen. I was avoiding this for a long time due to the negative comments that I'd heard about the pin and collar system. I encourage you to just grab some tools and go for it! It took me no time at all to adjust this Seiko Sumo bracelet.
Cheers!
Anders
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That ballpoint pen tip did the trick for me!! Spent an hour stressing before that. Thank you mate.
Haha, it’s a nifty trick! Glad to hear that :) cheers!
Fantastic video, made the adjustment on my monster so easy. Thank you!
Hi. I just did mine, in my seiko mini turtle. I thought where I live the odds of the shop guy knowing this would be small,so I went for it. Seen all the videos , several times to prepare, bought the blue tool and went for it. I was expecting to be more complicated. Putting it back together was harder. The tip of using a pen is priceless, for me was decisive to get balance in putting back the pin holding the collar. Many thanks!
Glad to hear that! The pen trick really makes a difference. It’s a simple task but at the same time it can be difficult😂
I would just like to add that in some bracelets, the collar inserts into the outer link and in other bracelets, the collar goes into the middle link. You can usually see clearly that one of the holes is larger, that's where the collar goes.
Thank you for the video.
That’s a good addition. Thank you for that! And my pleasure :)
Thanks for the tip, after 30 minutes of trying to push the collar thru side hole, I found Your comment that collar might go on middle link, and it was excactly so in my case.
Glad to hear that!
Thanks for this tutorial. I spent hours looking for a solution and then you nailed the details I was after with this video. Now I get to wear my watch tomorrow on Christmas Day! Cheers.
Very glad to hear that, thanks! Happy to help! And happy new year :)
Thank you so much, you saved my day! I searched a pretty while to find the right video for my seiko band! Well explained and finally I got the watchband fixed, thanks very much again! 🙏
Glad I could help! And awesome to hear that you got the job done! My pleasure! :)
This video explanation is RIGHT ON. I thought this pin & collar on my new Seiko Monster SRPE27 would same as my Citizen, because on Citizen, collar goes into a tapered hold on inside part of link and pushed by pin as opposed to how Seiko does it. Your video showed me exactly how to do the Seiko on my own. Thanks for taking the time.
Very glad to hear that :) Thanks for the feedback! Appreciate it! And glad I could help!
The damn pen does what any pin punch of my toolbox can't do. Thanks for the tip!!!!
Haha nice! No problem mate!👍🏻
I've never owned a Seiko yet with this particular system, but if I get one I'll definitely remember the tip about the pen. Thanks for sharing.
I’ve always avoided these semi-knowingly. But that was really unnecessary since this was so easy :) My pleasure as usual mate!
Thank you for the excellent tutorial after watching this video I took 4 links out for my skinny wrist. You saved me a trip to my watch guy on the other side of town.
Fantastic! Really glad to hear that :)
Thank you so much, I was in despair.
I did not understand why the pins are not staying in, as I lost both collars. Luckly I had 2 collars on the removed links and used those. Life saver. I subcribed.
Really happy to hear that this was helpful! Good thing you had some extra collars. I imagine loosing these is quite easy if you’re not aware of them when removing the pins! Glad that everything worked out and also very happy to have you as a subscriber!
You are an angel for showing the pen tip!
Haha thanks! It makes a big difference!
Thanks mate, really good video, I appreciate your efforts to help us look after our cherished time pieces, you da man!😎
Appreciate the love! Thanks mate :)
I seek and saw some italian tutorials that help me half way... I had to study a trick like the one you suggest with the pen. After a long fight with the bracelet of my new Seiko Turtle, I found your clip and appreciate it very much, despite I don't understand so much the speak but it is more helpful than your italian "collegues". Many thanks!
Glad I could help! Way to go figuring it out the way you did haha! My pleasure!
Thank you I was struggling 🙏
My pleasure! :)
2 watch repair places couldn’t do this. Thank you!
Great to hear, cheers mate! :)
Life saver! Thought I was the only one going crazy taking off the collar accidentally after pushing through the link
Glad to hear that! Oh I'm sure you're not the only one :D
thanks so much! a very helpful video!
Glad it was helpful! :)
The Tip with the pen is awesome! Great Video! Thx
Glad you liked it! The pen is perfect for the job👍🏻My pleasure!
Ive been using the ballpoint pin for years. Works everytime.
It really makes a world of difference!
This is a great video tutorial on how to size Seiko pin and collar bracelet. My Seiko SBDC033 Blumo was my first time adjusting a pin and collar bracelet. Like you was extremely anxious attempting this task . Again like you thought was very easy as well.
Thanks! Hahah yeah funny how it is kind of ”hyped up” to be super frustrating but it’s actually really easy😁
@@NordicWatchChannel LOL 😂 yes definitely but what I always tell people is just be very relaxed, be patient and most importantly have the right tools 🛠
@@1968jpy yeah the right tools helps a lot😂
Thank you! That worked perfectly.
Glad to hear that! My pleasure :)
Thank you for the very helpful video. Liked and following!
My pleasure! Glad to have you on board! Welcome!
Thank you thank you! Pins were falling out left and right. I was able to track down all the collars that flew around my desk and the carpet and inserted them back. No more issues
Glad to hear that! It’s easy to lose a collar or pin or even several. My pleasure!
I dinked around with my mini turtle bracelet for almost a month before I found this video. After watching I had it adjusted in less than 15 minutes. Thanks!
That is awesome! Thanks for sharing that, love hearing stuff like this :)
thanks for your video. nice trick, it's work for me
Glad to hear that! :) My pleasure!
This is very helpful! Thanks!
Very glad to hear that, thanks!
Brilliant video. I came across this pin & collar system whilst trying to adjust the bracelet on my Seiko Presage watch this morning. I watched several videos but they did not cover everything. Your video was the shortest, easiest to understand and answered all my questions. Many Thanks
I’m so glad to hear that and I appreciate the feedback! Good job on shortening you first pin and collar bracelet!😂💪🏼
Lifesaver! Thought i was smart, sizing my bracelet myself, thinking it was a standard pin, could not be more wrong.
Good thing I came across this video, saved the day.
Very happy to hear that! Cheers mate!
Great help practical solutions
Glad to hear that :) And thanks!
Very helpful. Got my SRPE099 adjusted in just a few minutes. I was hoping someone would post the pin size so I could be sure I was using the right tool. I measured the pin after removing it and the minor diameter is 0.89mm (0.0350") so your pin will need to be slightly smaller than this to work. I ended up using a paper clip that measures 0.75mm (0.0305") and it worked well with the ballpoint pen pushing the collar in place. The major diameter is 1.17mm (0.0460") in case you want to use a pin punch instead of the ballpoint pen.
Thanks for the helpful stats/specs! I’m sure someone will find them useful :)
Great video , thank you 😊
My pleasure mate! :)
Yup.... went to a local jeweler who apparently didn't watch your video. link fell out when I went to take it off after getting it re-sized. Bummer. If I had just looked on YT I would've found you and went to a Seiko dealer after realizing I'd have screwed this up royally. Great video though! :)
Argh! Bummed to hear that! This is a really weird system for bracelet adjustment and I hate to hear that this happens to people👎🏼 So unnecessary to use this system in my opinion. Hope you get it fixed! And thank you for the kind words :)
Pen trick is essential! Thanks
My pleasure! Glad you found it useful!
Very helpful thank you
Glad to hear that! My pleasure :)
Way easier than what I came up with
There are many ways😂
Success! Thank you
Glad to hear that! My pleasure :)
Very good video thank you👍
Thank you for the feedback! Glad to hear it :)
@@NordicWatchChannel I just sized my Seiko Willard bracelet after watching your video and it went very well 👍
That’s awesome😎
So there appears to be a collar on each end of the pin. I just tried to resize a Seiko SPB381 which is very similar to your watch, but could only locate one collar and I believe it was in the middle and not on the end. The collar may have pushed through when I was pushing the pin out. I guess I’ll go to a jeweler tomorrow to see what I’m doing wrong 🤷🏻♂️
There's probably a fixed collar on one end and a individual collar on the other end. I don't think it would work otherwise. Could well be in the middle link, I have come accross those bracelets before. Sounds like a good idea, haha!
Quick question, I have a problem with the clasp. Every time my wrist swing a bit more/move around the top clasp with open up on its own. Any suggestions on how to fix it?
Sorry for the delayed response! Hmm.. maybe the clasp is at an awkward spot on the wrist? I've had this happen on my Sinn 556A every now and then, and that was because I had too many links on and the shortest setting on the micro-adjustmens led to the diver's extension coming loose sometimes. This was fixed by removing a link and re-adjusting the microadjustments. Not sure that it will solve your problem though, but worth a shot!
I watched this after I adjusted my new Seiko. My pin and collar set up was different, pin was one size, it didn’t taper. I just got lucky. I pushed pins out in opposite directions and happened to get them in the right direction. Then I was wondering why they wouldn’t stay in, as I flipped the watch, the collars fell on the floor. I think the pen tip would’ve helped some. Overall not too bad.
Lucky to see the collar fall :D Could've lost one there!
It is a painful pro ees trying to insert the collar with finger or twitter. It is a test of patience and dexterity, and wild goose hunt for the tiny winy collar. After many attempts, Eureka, I use a needle to thread the collar, and then it is breeze guiding te collar in with only one try.
Sounds like a nifty method, good job! 8)
jus removed sumo-link last night, luckily same techniques 😅
Glad to hear that, good job!
Does the collar have to face a certain direction or is it the same on both ends?
By memory I would say no. Doesn’t matter :)
I absolutely hate the Seiko pin and collar bracelets! So much so, I stopped buying their watches! I hope I learn something here! Maybe I can start buying Seiko again!
Haha, you will notice that it’s not that bad when you get the hang of it! It’s not ideal, but not a dealbreaker either.
Could that collar have done with a little bit of tightening? - it seemed a bit on the loose side.
Hmm.. maybe. Can't check anymore since I don't have this watch :D
Thanks, I have a question, probably you have the answer. At 6' 08 you finish routing the pin and collar, just right of the pin and collar there is a mechanism (I don't know the name) which allows the bracelet to extend (it is a folded articulation) what is it and which is its function?)
My pleasure! Good question! That’s called a diver’s extension. The purpose of it is to extend the bracelet so that it can be worn on top of a wetsuit without adjusting the links otherwise.
@@NordicWatchChannel thank you, great clarification, I am a diver and this feature ( when wearing a wet suit with long sleeves may be very good indeed(provided the thickness is right since there is a big difference between a 3mm or a 8mm suit)
Good to hear that there are people who actually might use this feature :D
The newer prospex model has the collar in the middle of the bracelet link.
Oh! I’ve had that on some bracelets too.
Actual lifesaver, I couldn't figure out how the collar was supposed to slide in as easily as in the video.
I've just bought a prospex, and am doing battle with this bracelet system. Safe to say, despite your helpful video, I will be replacing the bracelet haha
Haha darn, sad to hear that the battle was lost xD
@D'arch Stibbard HaHa! Sounds like me. I always replaced my Seiko bracelets because they were too hard to size! Then I bought a Titanium Shogun and had no choice, I had to size it. So far so good! Two years later and all is still good, thankfully!
Огромное спасибо!
My pleasure! Thanks for watching!
I have an older monster and I struggled to take the pins out. Tried the other paperclip etc methods and had to buy a tool for it. Then it was so difficult to take them out I thought the collars are actually broken parts of a pin. I threw a couple away. I noticed something's wrong as the pins are not staying in, and am now unsure if I have a collar on both sides (I removed 2 links, one of each side). I dug through the trash (like dirty food packaging and all) and I actually found 2 collars. Put one back, but it feels like the pin goes into the collar halfway easily, tried the pen method but unsure if the pin actually went into the collar - not sticking out on either side. Tried with a magnifying glass but I'm not sure of what I see, looks as if these collars are missing from some other links as well (got the watch used years ago and used it but not a lot). I think I need a new band, nevertheless I learnt something new. :)
Ahh.. bummer to hear that it didn't go so well. Oh well... we live and we learn :)
Tip for finding lost collars/pipes - Have a magnet handy.
That’s useful advice! Can you confirm that they attach to magnets?
Unfortunately i lost a couple of those small collars and nobody seems to have them 😢
Oh no! Not even authorized Seiko dealers?
Does the pin and collar system feel inferior to the traditional one?
Well I just don’t get the point with using the pin & collar system. It’s fiddly and I’ve seen a lot of post where people have adjusted them and the collars/pin fall out during daily use. Maybe Seiko wanted to make a bracelet so that they can sell their special tool for these kinds of bracelets🤣
Actually the pin and collar system if done right is superior. Again if done correctly the pin and or collar will never back out or come apart.
@Shaolin Style Seiko... but they make you buy the whole link too. Crazy! If you in UK / Europe, Cousins watch parts sell generic pins and collars pretty cheaply.
@@NordicWatchChannel Realize this was posted a while back, but I understand Seiko went to the pin & collar system because of titanium bracelets having a problem with screws stripping easily.
When i try to insert the collar it doesnt fit what should i do
Hmm.. try to make sure it’s the right hole
The sides have square on the side 2:08
I don't really get what you mean with this comment? Can you explain :D
I don’t know why but I can’t push the pin out no matter how hard I push , I just got my watch and can’t even wear it
Sounds frustrating! Did you make sure to push it to the right direction? Maybe push it in the opposite direction for a little bit and then try again. Hope you get it to work and get to wear the watch asap!
@@NordicWatchChannel yes I got it to work after a few hours , I watched a video where someone used a very short “needle” or pin (I was using a pretty long one which required way more strength to push it) so I tried a short needle and softly hammered it and it instantly worked then I was able to do the rest and got it to fit now !
Ok glad to hear that! Good work🙂
thanks for the video, i just did this by myself for the first time, and i really HATE these cheap Seiko bracelets.
my Orient cheap bracelets are much better than these Seiko pin & collar bracelets
Happy to help! Yup I know.. I don't know why they use this mechanism when there are more convenient and probably even cheaper ways to do it.
Odd how people call them "pin & collar" when Seiko refers to them as "pin & pipes".
I had never heard that! Interesting!
Seikos produce some of the worst bracelets I’ve ever seen lol .
I’ve picked up the spb297j1 (retails for over £1000) and the end links don’t even fit flush with the case . Almost as if Seiko picked out a random bracelet that doesn’t even match the case of the shelf .
Sure I absolutely love the watch but the bracelet really let’s it down. Especially at that price point
I know. Sometimes the bracelet/case combinations are really baffling. I remember thinking the same about the green Seiko Sumo. MSRP of around 800-900 USD and the bracelet doesn't match the case at all!
Pin & collar is the dumbest thing I've ever had to work with... It's got to be the oldest version of securing links... If its not then humans intentionally made a single pin or screw system substantially more difficult.
I wouldn't say this is very easy, bc it's not... But it's not the most difficult thing in the world as long as you understand how it's working... It's fidgety and annoying.
Yup, no idea why it is so widely used.. It’s more difficult than most systems, but not as difficult as some youtubers make it sound imho.
I don’t buy Seikos anymore due to this shit system
Fair enough! Although quite a lot of them don't have this system!
Durty as $hit 😀
What is?