Copa America Is Cooked
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If you ever find yourself asking why I've made a video, sometimes I hit record and I don't even know where I'm going
The US still sucks though
I have conflicts with the video, probably because it is an unscripted production. I share the fact that a 10-team federation competition with a non-standardized organization is less than the European Championship in terms of visibility for an outsider, although your first arguments about the teams who participate are bullshit. To standardize and organize you would have to change the organization of Conmebol and how the most difficult classification works for mid-low tier countries other than Brazil and Argentina. Regarding overtime, it is more of a summer problem in the USA + resting the players. Although the refereeing is pathetic, combined with the factor that Conmebol teams know the referees better and know how to make "better fouls" that go under the table, Concacaf has not shown the expected quality either. Tournament is different, don't compare them, enjoy the chaos
good. that this wasn't scripted is impressive.
You win Euros, you survive Copa America.
sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh🥶
Copa America is an mma tournament in disguise.
What is harder, surviving Copa or staying awake during a game of southgateball?
Watching southgate ball is a fate worse than death
@@charon3444the problem is that you don't just have to survive southgate, you also had to survive deshamps(?) france against tedesco belgium and a portugal side that forgot how to play football for 105 minutes.
*US loses shamefully*
Zealand 5' later:
Of course
Typical American
He also had a whole video where he said that the entire hierarchy at USMNT needed to be fired.
Two things can be true at once. The U.S could have played terribly and the refs couldve been shit too
Canada with the most yellow cards of all the teams is pretty hilarious, must be our Hockey mentality creeping through.
Bro have you seen Canada play, this tournament. We're dirty as hell! If anything, we deserved more cards, especially against Chile.
Bring out Reaves and Deslauriers and Canada going all the way
@@el_matamuertes That good o'canadian truculence and snarl. Really funny that deslauriers has a natural hatty.
the fact is they havnt been physical lol
As a Canadian, it's honestly kinda hilarious to me that Peru and Chile thought it was a good strategy to try and physically intimidate and bully us... like, do you not realize that in our national sport, athletes regularly play through lost teeth and fresh stitches, and the penalty for literal fist fighting is 5 minutes off the playing surface to think about what you did... meanwhile, one little kick and you're rolling on the ground, crying and screaming for a minute and a half...
Zealand: I'm tired of stats
Also Zealand: Wanna see some stats
addiction is a terrible thing ...
You know your competition is chaotic when Afcon is easier to understand 😂
Watching this video made me realize afcon is far better than copa, yeah we have our own problems but atleast we can easily host it🤣
South America, different from europe, does not have filler nations, so its not possible to make a qualifier
Yup the US could basically make a Euros by having each state send their best players. Which is basically the same as England sending Scotland Northern Ireland and Wales when its all the same country
Tbh I don’t I understand why these tournaments are constantly being compared to each other to see which one is more “refined” and “elite”… just let me enjoy the tournament my country plays in 😅
Me when watching 3rd tier nations league with Finland squaring against Latvia
Chin up
european elitism
some of these criticisms were constructive tho. No ET is crazy
Trust me, nobody in Europe is comparing the Euros to Copa America. 🤣
Copa America, disparaged, by a Coping American. :P
watching this as argentina ecuador go to pens after 90' lol
The fact that there is no extra time is criminal, people want to see extra time
@@eMhykolfor real Ecuador would’ve won on extra time
we didnt have extra time from the last 25 years of copa, neither do libertadores nor sudamericana, except on finals,.
no extra time is crazy wtf
@@eMhykol it's 30-40C in america right now. do you really want to see players, fans, and refe- ..., okay, do you really want to see players and fans collapsing from heatstroke?
My man is so pissed USA dropped out 😂😂😂
Ikr
Suddenly this tournament lost all the magic he himself was hyping up 😂
I can totally relate to this though, it happens to me to when my team gets eliminated
@@Lucaz99jamaica got knocked out I stopped watching idk what to tell u it's not enjoyable
@@nabri-nfg3262 I’m with you man but you’re not out here making videos about how good the Copa is gonna be either, so I judge Zealand to a different standard
No he’s not. You can tell he just wants the tournament to be better
He said usa would finish ahead of uruguay, the best team right now, 2iq takes of someone who doesn`t watch the conmebol teams
There's just no comparing when one federation has 10 teams and the other one 55. In these cases we can only talk percentages, and percentages wise, conmebol has a higher percentage of better teams. And if we don't wanna talk percentages, then there's no reason to talk at all, because there's no way of comparing anything.
And regarding the bad structure and organization, yeah it needs to improve, but that's what happens in an underdevelop continent. A continent your goverment helped keep underdeveloped btw.
LOUDER FOR THE ONES AT THE BACK!
Me (& all of S. Am) watching Operation Condor mysteriously make a comeback after the US got grouped😂 (Overall tho, you’re absolutely right. Great comment)
/thread
Zealand melting down over an international tournament is my favourite CZcams video genre right now.
This brother is coping hard 😭😭😭
You are comparing two continents, europe has more countries than south america therefore it NEEDS a qualifier against 10 countries also you are not taking into consideration that Copa Amera was supposed to be a year after the world cup, but a social issues in the countries that were supposed to be held happened making it to be delayed or not being done entirely
Yeah because south america does not have serious countries
You are comparing two continents that have similar population sizes
@@kevindunn2663One confederation has more than 5 times the teams the other one has, so it's not South America's fault that we lack the filler the euros have, we could if we integrated CONJAJAJAF, but that would worsen the level
There are actually like 3 more countries in South America, but they don’t play in CONCACAF because they are not truly independent and thus not developed
I think it goes straight to penalties for casual american fans who dont have the attention span for extra time
Concacaf is like your cousin that is in and out of jail but somehow still makes it to your daughters 3rd bday
Everything you said is true, and yet, the Brazil Colombia match was more entertaining than all but maybe 3 matches that happened at the Euros (Georgia Turkey, Austria Turkey, and Spain Italy) - so idk what to think lol
Austria x Turkey was a banger game though, and i’m saying this as a full on Brazilian national team fanatic
@@FakeRlot Thought I was going to have a heart attack during that game. Esp. the final 20’, that level of suspense + intensity was genuinely diabolical 😂
Bro is playing Cope America
I will say, even as an American (who watches Zealand and has for awhile, I like the content) this feels very “salty American upset his team was utterly embarrassed on the international stage, and thus decides the tournament wasn’t worth winning in the first place”.
All factual information btw, I agree 100% with every point made. But these are all things we’ve known for a very long time, it’s not exactly news to anyone who followed copa America before now
Yes, good point. He didn’t lie but…he already knew this and did not had this energy before his sweetheart was eliminated
The man hates that copa américa invites other countries... As an invited county
@@JavierRodriguez-wl7jyI think part of it is because the American media(think guys like alexi lalas) and Americans in general, are entirely incapable of taking their American red white and blue hats off and hyped this up as a tournament we were one of the favorites in. They do this every tournament tbf and a lot of Americans believe it but this one in particular was different. There’s always this air of completely unwarranted American exceptionalism and when it doesn’t work out this is what you see from a lot of Americans. “Well we don’t care about soccer anyways, play us in our own sports”. The part they conveniently leave out is barely anyone cares about “American sports” outside of America, and even more conveniently, the places that have taken up our sports and put effort into them (Japan and certain South American countries with baseball and European countries with basketball) have started to equal and even surpass us within 40-50 years.
@@JavierRodriguez-wl7jy I think this is the general sentiment among U.S. fans. People from the U.S. who love this sport are heartbroken and are now going through the coping stages of grief
maybe its for people who dont? Had no idea copa america was this ghetto
On the one hand, yeah, the refereeing is abysmal, hell, last night TYC commentators spent the entire match cursing the ref basically
On the other, Concacaf more like copecacaf
after hyping up the US to make an absurd run in the copa america, this just feels like cope. everyone that has watched a copa america before knows that it is not a perfect tournament and doesnt treat it as such. despite that, it would ignorant to pretend that the winners of the copa america are somehow lesser than the euros. the tournament is dysfunctional, not the actual teams & players
regardless, i understand the frustration. i am uruguayan and can admit that was terrible officiating. welcome to the copa america though, now you understand how all south americans feel 😭
"The tournament is dysfunctional, not the actual teams & players" couldn't have said it better myself. CONMEBOL doesn't deserve the kind of people who have been running it for some time now.
@@RainerRilke3 agreed, they use the tournament to line their pockets. unfortunately corruption is still prevalent in SA so it ends up bleeding into our football governing bodies
so, do you feel better? wanna go for a smoke or something now? maybe a few stretches and breathing exercises? a stiff drink?
a brisk run ...?
question is would we have gotten this video if the US didn't lose and not end up qualifying for the round of 16 of the copa america, that is the real question, I don't think we would of.
The Reason this Cops America sucks, is simply the atmosphere and it’s not sitting right in the U.S.
Past Copa’s have felt alive in ways that are unexplainable able.
I still die on the hill that the 2011 Copa America was the best one, but that might be because I had to watch like every game in Spanish.
These tournaments have always had something wrong with it, but the format is a bit jacked. Should have just stuck with A1-B2 C1-D2/B1-A2 D1-C2 format like last time
Look man, I don't get the hate Copa America gets (in general, not from yourself). Maybe try and enjoy the fact that we have 2 tournaments going on at the same time?
last video title: I am tired of stats.
Next video: "I have got a few different numbers to show you."
Zealand, the 2016 edition was a special edition made for money and to celebrate the 100 years of the competition. CONMENBOL just wanted to give Messi another shot at the title but ended up accidentally giving Chile’s national team the best period of its history lol
The 2021 edition got pushed because because of COVID.
Idk how this changes anything though
Not only that, but CONMEBOL decided to cicle Copa America with the Euros starting at 2020 (but Covid, thus 2021).
It was Colombia’s turn to host, (they’re after Chile, but Chile and Brazil traded Copa’s due to Brazils hosting of the WC) but they needed help so Argentina volunteered.
The tournament ended up being played in Brazil under Covid Restrictions.
The Original plan was 2 groups of 6 teams played in North or South groups, top 4 advance. 3rd and 4th place teams travel to opposing region to play, Final would be in Colombia and Third place in Argentina.
That was the original plan.
None of it ended up happening 😂
@@m.c.martin
That was an awful formula as well
It’s weird to complain about aspects of the competition that were already known before it started.
Yes, there’s no extra time. Last time they had it was in 2011. You’d think this would be a more welcome aspect since fans, players, and coaches have spoken out about how much players are being overplayed.
The groups being paired together in the same side of the bracket is actually silly and wasn’t done before
The refereeing has been poor, but I’ve seen Dumfries fake a head injury and the ref give the Romanian a yellow card for it. Not to mention the UCL semifinals. It’s not just a South American issue
And the cards per foul is a stat that doesn’t paint the whole picture. It doesn’t account for how aggressive the fouls were or how many were by the same players.
Tournament was consistent for years until 2016 which allowed for North American teams. 2019 was back to normal and 2020 had to change because of the pandemic. Then they wanted to line the years up with the Euros. It’s goofy, but there a method to the madness. The Euros has also changed a lot since it’s inception
The worst parts of the tournament have been the horrible pitches, poor cameras in broadcasting, the intense heat (another reason why straight to penalties isn’t a bad idea), and expensive ticket prices. And a lot of the falls on the hosts
Yeah it's ignores how bad the fouls actually are. Plus shocking no one, generally the crap teams commit more card worthy fouls.
usa: loses
zea 5 minutes later:
Dude really did the whole Principal Skinner meme, like "Is my country's team actually trash? ... No, it's the Copa that's cooked..."
It's both though.
@@PVPTawa Yes and no. The Copa America cannot be held in North America again, at least not until they have propper facilities to hold it. Even the atmosphere is no near the same as the Euros, when South America is recognized for its passion.
Brazilian here
You ABSOLUTELY need some more South American knowledge and culture in your day to day basis when it comes to football. Not saying you're uncultured, you're one of the best content creators on CZcams when it comes to international football, but the thing is that 90% of what you said is absolute bias fiesta. Copa America happens usually every two years, three depending on political circumstances (mostly related to either the host or Argentina and Brazil disagreeing with something).
Also, if the Euro is a harder competition, then how come Argentina won against Italy? And not by a small margin, I would say
Because Italy aren’t or weren’t that good. Plenty of surprising results happen in tournaments. I think a team like Argentina can beat any team in the world. But it doesn’t make Copa America a higher standard than the euros. Europe has more good teams
@liam3104 so a bad team won a supposedly higher difficulty competition? If Italy was bad, then the rest also dragged the whole thing down, no?
Also, it's not that the euro has more higher quality teams, the euro just has more teams in general. Europe has like 4 times as many countries compared to South America
@@jacksonfogo2The Euro wasn't played in 2022 when Italy was playing like shit, Italy was the most inconsistent team the past decade, showed up for the Euro and dipped back out failing to qualify for the last 2 world cups, 2 months before losing to Argentina they lost to North Macedonia, so you understand how inconsistent they were.
@PVPTawa I get that, but it baffles me that an inconsistent team won the Euro, while our Copa America winner won the World Cup, and somehow there are people saying that the Euro is better
The "Italy bad" argument doesn't make me understand the point, it makes the point sound worse
talking about italy they won the euros cause englands manager is bad
Zealand, you clearly don't watch southamerican football. You bring a good point about Copa America's format and production: is abysmal and everyone can see it, won't argue about it. CONMEBOL just wants the paycheck and move on.
But SA level is clearly quite paired with Europe, because what other SA may lack on finesse and technique, they excel on intensity, energy and passion. And when a SA team have both intensity and technique, you get Argentina 2022, Uruguay atm and at 2010, Colombia 2014 (and also right now), and the best Brazil you would ever dream. And we are talking about 4 out of 10 teams...so, 40% of the confederation. And I'm writing this after Ecuador loss vs Argentina on penalties, and Ecuador just play better than us. They were quite unlucky. Let see if Venezuela is that good of a team "outside" CONMEBOL vs Canada.
And well, yes, the officiating fking sucks in SA. CONCACAF teams, although, don't know how to foul in a "SA style", but overall the referees sucks so much. We all know these guys and already gave us a headache. Roldan, Matonte, Herrera, Sampaio, Kevin Ortega, Valenzuela, Cisneros...we know these fckers from Libertadores and Sudamericana, and they are so fking bad, so negligent. I'm amused how Falcón Pérez is quite good on international duty but in Argentina is the extreme opposite.
Wait until Zealand realizes that the best referee in America is working at... the eurocup xD
What those stats tell me is that CONCACAF teams' players are not well drilled on how to toe the line when fouling to do enough to foul but also just enough to not get carded.
It screams of being too naive, untrained, unprepared for the dark arts of South American teams fouling to stop the opposition from playing, losing their heads, fouling back but well over the yellow card line, over and over again.
It can certainly also be a referee issue in how they read the game, but there's rarely a yellow card without a foul in the first place.
You are correct, there's a reason why Colombia, Uruguay, Argentina and Brasil have some of the most valuable defenders and players in world, way above any player from the US or Concacaf, but that seems a concept too hard for US fans to understand right now and they are coping hard.
We South Americans are thaught America is just one big continent, so inviting Concacaf means nothing for the prestige of Conmebol.
Truth be told i don't understand the point of the video now that i have seen it trough. The copa is trash all of the sudden even though we all knew about the points given as negatives before the tournament started? I honestly don't get it.
Pasa que a Zealand le pinta llorar porque se quedo afuera USA despues del papelon que hicieron. Me decepcionaria pero yo tambien estaria re enojado si quedamos afuera y odiaria todo como el ajjajaja
@@marianolemos908y si es malo el campeonato imagínate lo que dice eso de las seleccións de Estados Unidos y Mexico 😂
Puede que Zealand sea bueno como mánager de fútbol, pero eso no significa que sus opiniones en este deporte sean relevantes en lo más mínimo. Es sólo sal porque Estados Unidos fue justamente eliminado. Recuerden que este hombre dijo que Estados Unidos era el 3er mejor equipo del torneo. Puro delirio.
What I never understood about Copa America is that is only had south American teams. How can it be copa America when north America wasn't included
@Blackcrome83 Just the name conembol gave it for their confederation. Its used to be called the copa libertadores but thats now the premier continetal club comp. Plus they already is a copa sudamericana which is the 2nd club Comp.
copa america is brilliant and the games have an intensity that the euros is lacking so far this year, USA is cooked and this is a reaction
The refs actually ruin it for me and I'm Portuguese and used to terrible officiating. I cannot physically stand the south american/concacaf refs, I hate them so much it hurts
@@andremarques665frankly i don't blame you
@@andremarques665 yea, they fucking suck
The intensity is great but as the commenter above said, the refs ruin it for me too. I think the last Euro’s game (Turkey v Austria) was a great example of how you officiate a high intensity game while maintaining the fluidity of play.
(Overall btw, incredible performance by both of the teams/players _and_ the ref, will be rewatching that one for sure)
I do wonder why the euros has an Argentinian ref 🤷♀️
Honestly, I'm surprised that people have this level of cope against Copa America.
seemed like facts to me
cause they are spanish and missi zogs
@richyq8786 it's not like English Southgate ball is any better
1 card with 36 fouls is genuinely impressive
zealand at some point youll have to realize, like most of us have, that copa america is genuinely a pub competition
A "pub competition" where afterwards the winner goes a wins against the more formal competition champions.
@@brunoactis1104 💀... nowhere did i say "every team in copa america is trash" thats like saying ligue 1 is a high quality league because they have PSG 😭😭 argentina winning copa america b2b and a WC in between literally means nothing in terms of general tournament quality🤣
@@jakeoflight9516he was talking about Argentina absolutely destroying the European champion 3-0 on Europe.
@@ramiromen6595 I know that, and thats what i'm responding to when i say that it literally means nothing. When comparing the quality of an entire tournament to another one, argentina being the best team in the world doesnt suddenly make their competition more impressive when compared to the quality found across the board in the Euros
@@jakeoflight9516 So the "quality across the board" doesn't include the reigning champions? We seem to have different definitions of what "nothing" means.
And we ain't even talking including the now defunct confederations cup which included more "across the board" (aka not only the reigning champions) teams, in which my point is even more valid.
The US has NEVER been eliminated in the group stage of the Euros.
How can anyone claim it's NOT an easier tournament to win?
Facts!
San Marino has never lost a game in the history of the Copa.
they've never made it to the group there trash
The best way to enjoy Copa America is to never compare it to the Euros and just enjoy it for the little competition it is
So, Cope-cacaf? I dunno man, I know our Danish team did well enough in Mexico '86 but we'd get our arses handed to us just as much in the Americas as we do at home..
I say this with love and no animosity but [a fair amount of ignorance.. granted] - THE US IS INVOLVED, you can't expect the same rules as the rest of the competitive world plays by, it's the 'made for tv' version of competitive sports. Imagine extra time would be entirely too much for the tv schedule over there. How'd they know which commercial segments to sell at the 'during the game' price? That's essentially what it comes down to - revenue. It's not competition. How much of the Copa América Femenina gets shown? Genuinely curious because I've never seen it even in highlights here - albeit not a 36 channel sports package subscriber..
The only thing bad with Copa America is the refereeing. The other arguments are just utter nonsense which the other people commenting has explained to why. On no surface should you be able to compare Copa America to Euros as it will always be different. This year there are a lot of strong teams that will honestly wipe a lot of the teams whilst in EUROs there arent many performing up to standards making underdogs stories much more likely and more entertaining for the regular watcher as games are more even than what they should be on paper. But in Copa America you have Argentina, Colombia, Uruguay, Venezuela, Ecuador playing very well team based football. I am confident for the future of CONMEBOL not much for CONCACAF who have displayed some very dissapointing results on familiar soil.
Not 100% sure, but I think the Copa bracket is build like that, to make sure that brazil and argentina don't play each other before the final. In the Copas I quickly checked, they always started in groups of the different sides of the brackets.
Yeah, it’s always been like that so that they can sell more seats in the final
@@FakeRlot Thats just stupid for everyone who puts the sport above the money. For business this is a smart dicision.
I've never cared for the Copa in the past and with stuff like this it will never change.
@@Bornevalesh Conmebol are a bunch of mercenaries, man. the corruption went deep to the point where the introduction of VAR was like the second coming of christ to Brazilian football since it ment that conmebol wouldn’t rig the competition towards argentine teams in every single Copa Libertadores
@@FakeRlot well, in UEFA Euros the VAR still is in favour of spanish teams, just like all the refs. Todays game was 100% rigged - Antonio Real Taylor was cashing out big XD
When it comes to you point about the bracket seedings, the Euros isn’t even that much better given that one side of the bracket had 4 of the 6 winning teams (Germany, Spain, Belgium, and Portugal) and we were also kind of close to an Austria-Netherlands rematch in the quarter finals
belgium finished second
Belgium finished second my guy
Oh shit yall are right 💀 , well I guess my second point still stands, and I still believe the bracket could’ve been done better and more balanced
VAR has been shocking as well.
You can tell it’s the first time he’s actually watched Copa. Exposing himself here
Considering how new his YT channel is, I wouldn't be surprised
well, i dont watch it either, i just like watching angry zealand and it seems to be very good at creating that....
Yeah itsbeen a shitshow of a competition since the beginning
Only been 3 times in 20+ years so no reason for americans to watch
Cheer up
that hairline is cooked
The euros are also split, one side wont face the other. Its why everyone is saying England got the easy side of the draw
Would you like some cheese with that whine?
Sour grapes make the best whine
Zealand I love your videos but you're making yourself look silly with all of these videos discrediting the Copa América after hyping it up and hyping up the USA
Like I get it I am Salvadoran I get pissed off whenever we play badly but this is frankly another level of cope
well georgia and azerbaijan and israel are also not in europe and they play in the euros, Turkey and Russia (when russia used to be a country for these purposes) are also kinda in and kinda not in europe. Technically the USA are more in the copa america than those other countries are in the euros.
Idk why ppl say stuff like this when we saw countries like Morocco get far
Argentina won the whole damn thing
But still gotta make vids saying stuff like this were we only hype up European countries and their completions
It's not about hyping up European countries, they just have a better competition.
Argentina won the last world cup but wasn't really convincing, before Argentina it had been 20 years since a non European team won it.
Next Copa America tournament format: 13 teams divided into groups of 3, 4 and 6 teams (this group includes the invited nations) The top two of the first two groups qualify, and the top 3 or 4 of the group of six (depending on if the play off game is played on a tuesday) then also qualify to go on to play a home and away league table system, where the winner goes through to the final and the 4th to 2nd place teams play a knockout style play off (4th vs 3rd, winner vs 2nd). The final is played in a best of four format to determine the winner. The invitational teams will be Bahrein, North Korea, Puerto Rico .
The sour grapes mentality from US fans now that they got swiftly humilliated is hilarious
zealand i can’t explain how much you would love aussie rules football
AFL is not that good. A goal in that sport is not that big of a deal. Most games teams score 10+ per game
The Panama slander just never stops.
Why the F bombs in these videos 😢
Canada elbowed a Chilean player in the face and the ref didn't even consider it a foul. And panama plays extremely rough, but yeah, Uruguay does deserve more yellow cards, they are foul machines
Zealand : "World Cup happens every four years, we know it happens every four year"
FIFA : "Hold my crystal glass of the world's most expensive beer"
*comment was for: “I’m Tired of Stats” video*
Probably the most informative Zealand video in a minute. Watch the full game, not the stats. My first question is also “who is counting these stats?”
How do they determine that a player created a big chances, or a medium chance?
The major clubs definitely have their own way of interpreting these stats in the most beneficial way as you stated.
But that’s completely different than the stats given to the public. I’d love to meet the employee who counts duels won for matches, someone give me this job.
Did you reply to the wrong video?
@@lazydictionarywtf how did this comment end up on this video 😂 this was to his “I’m tired of stats video”
@@toobeast5485 I’ve done this before. It can happen if you are writing a comment and before finish it switches over to the next video. If you hit post without noticing it’ll just post on whichever new video it switches to
@@ttm9227 I never knew that, thanks for the information!
@@ttm9227 thanks for the information! I had no idea
American breakdown in detail why Copa America isn't good 3 days after USMNT fails to get out of a group consisting of Uruguay, Panama, and Bolivia in a home tournament. Optics doesn't look good. 🤷♂️
Worth noting that the euros (and any other tournament where a 3rd place team can qualify from the group stage) also have the potential for a rematch of a group game in the knockouts. Hell, just this year if austria had beat turkiye a few days ago we would've had austria matched up with netherlands in the quarterfinals.
Man, I love your videos, and this won't change because of your rant/opinion here. On one hand, Copa America (and specially Conmebol) has a LOT to improve. On the other hand, it seems that you just realized how far behind Concacaf teams are in relation to Conmebol teams. I mean, it makes sense that you seem surprised by that red cards analysis, but it takes time to develop a "football culture" in a country. Finally, the fact that the USA is invited to this competition shouldn't come as a surprise, as it is part of the american continent, just not part of Conmebol.
This man really talking like anyone compared copa america to the euros 💀💀
You can like copa america more than the euros. But absolutely no one is arguing that copa is as prestigious as the euros
Yeah and then a south american team goes and win the WC, heard it before and will keep hearing it
This is hilarious after your stats rant
Seems like sour grapes to me man
let's not pretend Concacaf doesn't fix it every Gold Cup with the US and Mexico, so they don't face off before the final... as for the brackets, it's just a little too sus that Argentina technically got the easier countries to beat, while the other strong teams Uruguay, Brazil & Colombia were on the other side of the bracket, they just gotta make sure the one South American team that can actually sell seats is in the final, the team they face in the final may just be irrelevant to the actual purpose of the match, which is make money, we all agree that's the only reason Conmebol would ever get involved with Concacaf
I mean, USA and Mexico are the best teams in CONCACAF, so it makes sense they'd be seeded on the opposite sides of the bracket.
I agree in a lot of points, specially in the (not) organization of Conmebol. The fixture and all the things you said they do to help Argentina or Brazil to reach the final. But, the last comment about how easy is to win the Copa América against the Euro is relative.
In the last 10 editions, 5 teams of 10 won the Copa America. That's 50% of the represented federations.
In the last 10 editions of the Euro, 8 teams of 50 (aprox) won the trophy. 16% of the represented teams.
I know there are less nations, but that only means that the number of favorites teams also is reduced. And the most important matches will come from semifinals.
The same happens with the Libertadores and the Champions League. If you check the last 15 editions only, 10 were won by brazilian clubs, 4 argentinians and 1 colombian.
The last 15 CL were won by, spanish teams 8, english 4, german 2, italian 1
That's not harder if you look it from that perspective.
MLS has better officiating than the COPA. That's pretty sad.
Holy cow, this is delusional ball knowledge. If you don't know about it, it's okay to not make a video.
Copa América has a red carpet for Argentina, easy teams from Group Stage, all the way to the final. While in the other Groups qualifying brackets, all the tough teams (Uruguay, Colombia, Brazil) have to destroy each other before reaching the final.
Yup and this isn’t just some coincidence, CONMENBOL purposefully decided teams from groups A & B and C & D will face each other in the quarterfinals. The most sensible option would be to make A & C, B & D teams face each other like the Euros.
This way you avoid having rematches in the quarterfinals. We could have Argentina x Canada or Brazil x Colombia again in the QF.
But Messi is the golden goose and CONMENBOL always got Argentina’s back so they had to make sure they would make it to the final in Miami where Messi is retiring.
@@Lucaz99 honestly stfu. 2021, Brazil's pathway were Peru, Chile, and Paraguay. Were you saying it was rigged then? Probably not. He wasn't the golden goose when he was losing. But now that Argentina has found success, it's "rigged"
Cry more. This Argentina team beat the best to be champions both in Copa and in the WC
@@shahir1395 cough cough reff WC... How many Pens bailed Pesentina out after getting slept by saudi arabia.. stfu
Mexico literally had to face Venezuela, the historically worst team in Conmebol. I would take that group every day of the week
Dude… copa has been way better than euros.
Bro you're so salty I can feel it across the screen...stop malding so much about the copa america, the euros has been a borefest, I much prefer the murderball of the copa america, although you made good points, I hope the Copa america gets more serious in the future
Aside from the implementation of more accurate Var tech i don't see that much problems. When considering the realities of both continents the points raised are meaningless.
The referee is terrible, but you can say the same about the euros, but it’s not every other game
I think you can split the Euro’s between the Western and Eastern teams/matches😂 Falling asleep in the former, on the edge of my seat for the latter
There is a qualification process for copa america for concacaf teams...FYI...this edition
You are a casual if u dont know why the change of the formats is in copa america(number of teams involved, years in between tournaments, etc).
Honestly the best European teams have not been playing at a great standard. Maybe it's the other national teams closing a gap but the tournament itself has been underwhelming. Copa America has been a better tournament from an entertainment standpoint.
5:21 Adding on to this, looking into the reasons why CONMEBOL scheduled the Copas whenever makes this even funnier 🤣. 2016 you alr got, but for the 3 year gaps for 2001-2007, they had to make the next one in 2011 because of the freaking world cup in 2010. Like how do you have so little foresight to make these decisions? And for 2021, apparently FIFA forced CONMEBOL to align with the Euros calendar, and instead of waiting until 2024 (taking one extra year off), they would have made ANOTHER back-to-back Copa in 2019 and 2020 if it wasn't for... well you know.
been saying combine CONCACAF and CONEMBOL for a few years, I need to see the chaos
Why anyone still has this view when we've seen what south american teams can do in the World Cup, drawing or even winning some games by fucking Ecuador
Uruguay in basically its entire history: Garra Charrua, red card hoarders
Uruguay 2024: Fair Play Award
What a day to be alive
most your points are trash.
Copa doesnt have qualifying; ok but qualifying just means x shitty EU teams make the tournament instead of a different grouping of shitty EU teams
Jamaica has it's best players missing: how is a players issue w/ their FA a fault of the tournament? also, where was Benz for the past decade?
Team comparison isn't close yet Argentina is the WC champion
Copa America isn't about proving the best team among any region, it's just an international tournament. the insistance of having a rigid structure doesn't make it better or worse.
how often the tournament does or doesnt happen and where it happens doesnt make it better or worse.
both format's are stupid. why are top 3rd place teams qualitying in Euro? and why do teams that play latter given an advantage by knowing the other 3rd place result and have the potential to fix draws so both teams advance, not mention of that?
I agree the officiating has been wild and that they should have the additional time instead of straight to pens.
I’m confused. Do you want Copa America to have more teams or less? I would never say Copa America is better or harder then EUROs, but acting like the gap is monumental is a bit much.
Bro looking like Steve Carrol in 40 year old virgin. Man o lantern
This video it's like see an old man screaming to the clouds
The last time Brazil hosted the Copa América, a Peruvian journalist came to Brazil to ask if people knew there was going to be a Copa América in Brazil and the majority of Brazilians interviewed responded "no" We don't care about the Copa América, they try to put Copa América and Euro on the same level for commercial reasons but the truth is that we don't care about this type of tournament. We only care about the World Cup and club competitions.
@Gaiaxuxa that is also my perception from the outside looking in. Brazil used to send B teams to Copa América all the time in the 90s and 2000s. That changed slightly in the mid to late 2000s, however
@@croskoal Changed because Brasil A team is worse than our B team in 90s. Lol
Zeeboy, I know everyone is talking about the way a lot of your critics are not valid or fair (I myself laid a couple comments), but I think you forget to point two big problems with this edition:
1. The matches are starting too late for a lot of people. I know it's cool having some games in Cali and Vegas, but a Copa America match simply cannot start at 10 pm. All Brazil games were at this time, and we're at the same time zone with Argentina and Uruguay. Argentina played this Thursday at 10 pm, they draw with Ecuador, we got penalties. Friday morning and everybody gets to work. This schedule is pathetic, it's one reason more agaist extra time.
2. The US have fantastic stadiums, but a lot of these venues were not built with soccer in mind. So CONMEBOL made the stupidest decision ever: each field this Copa America is 5 m shorter (16,4 ft) and 4 m (13,1 ft) narrower than the standard pitch. It's a disgrace.
This Copa America is a cash grab, one and only.
Coping so hard
I definitely think it's true that Venezuela is equivalent to Georgia and Romania. But man Georgia beat Portugal so the average conmebol country is competitive with a high level european nation. Obviously europe has a better tournameny they just have a lot more countries and higher population. I think the average level of conmebol nation is way better than the average uefa nation but Europe has more countries so naturally there are more countries that are top level than South America. But yes Copa America as a competition is cooked in organization.
Euros could have had Netherlands v Austria a rematch from the group stage in the quarterfinal
Copa America is different gravy. It just hits different. You have to live it, to know what it’s like. It’s like the Argentine’s say,
“No te lo puedo explicar, porque no vas a entender” (I can’t explain it to you, because you won’t understand)
Zealand the answer is that CONMEBOL is an administrative nightmare 😂
People in Europe wish they didn’t have to watch England and France in extra time
Say whatever you want I always get bored watching the Euros and never in Copa America.
Doesn't sound like you've been watching the Euro, games outside of England haven't really been boring, even when a team parks the bus there is generally a lot of attacks and fast breaks.
But I guess seeing players fuck up more often might be more entertaining to you.
@@PVPTawa Outside of Germany and Spain no favorite has been inspiring. France is through to the quarter finals without scoring a single goal in open play. Also I don't know what you call fuck ups but for me it would be 9 own goals. Say what you will about Copa America but at least they know which side of the field to score on.
@@TheFacuball Acting like those own goals were all the Turkish mistake of passing without looking and not deflections some of which seemed like the player intentionally placed the ball to get a deflection.
Then there is also the fact of less fouls on average, more shots on average, more xG on average.
@@PVPTawa Okay fine then the defenders are so bad they can't clear a ball without putting in the back of their own net. I understand what a deflected own goal is, but nine of them is excessive. Intentionally deflecting off a defender should only be possible against a blind toddler not a world class athlete.
I believe the less fouls but I hardly care, that's just more evidence they really don't have any passion. If you have the stats for average xg and shots for both cups I'd like to see them, but as it stands they have the same average goals per game despite Copa America defenders not getting 360 no scope trick shotted into their own goal.
@@TheFacuball No defenders did any of that 360 no scope, intentionally deflecting off defenders is easy regardless of level it's only hard to intentionally do it and turn it into a goal, it happens all the time to get corners, if you think it's not easy, you ask someone to kick a ball into you at point blank and if you can't control it and clear it you're just as good as a blind toddler.
You literally have access to every match, meaning access to every stat.
Less fouls doesn't mean less passion, it means better defending, which explains why they average the same amount of goals despite the Euros having a higher average xG.
Oh boy, that’s a hard watch. Next vid tell us 3 things you like about Copa America.
Dang bro
You look like if harry kane had an older, less successful brother
If this was in Spanish, it would be a love letter to COPA AMÉRICA
I know it’s something that everyone speaks about, but i seriously can’t see a reason why we can’t combine concacaf and conmebol as a single conglomerate.
Honestly, a 16 team Copa America for the Americas is the best format. Have it in South America next time.