TUTORIAL THURSDAY EPISODE 1 VIRPIL CM3 DETENT SET UP (IDLE AND AFTERBURNER IN DCS)
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- Welcome to the first tutorial Thursday in this video we go over how to set up your axis to buttons in the vpc software. I also show you how to set up the detents in dcs. If you have any questions let me know I'll do everything I can to help you out. Also If this video helps you out help me out by hitting that like button and consider subscribing. Sorry about the audio looks like its time for a new mic.
Part 1 set up video: • VIRPIL QUICK START GUI...
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Thank you for the video! Three years old, but still VERY relevant! You've helped me so much! Just now getting into DCS!
Thank you Sir! Just got my CM3, just found you. Starting to watch all your videos. Thank you!
Thank you very much for this video! I'd tried all set of detends and stoped on same mixed set. And now i"m profiling VPC and DCS according to your guide.
Thanks for this my man!! 🔥🔥 i was scratching my head looking at the dcs config menu!! You save me!!
This is a great video. Thank you. You saved me hours of trial and error (mostly error) figuring this out. I've used this and your Link video a lot lately as I've recently bought several virpil controls and am setting my DCS planes up again.
Thank you for this video! I just got my vpc throttle yesterday and was struggling with the detents on the F4E. You save me! Thanks again.
Cheers mate, was trying to set this up last night. That saturation trick is exactly what I was looking for!
Glad I could help out.
Thx for this! Just got my new setup and have been watching all your vids!
This is an excellent tutorial! Thanks much Jon!
Thanks for your tutorials It really helped me get me up and running.
Very good video! Thanks for the explanation!
Awesome video mate, super helpful!
Thanks excellent tutorial
ur a genius, thanks for this video man, thumbs up from Algeria
Great video man. I am definitely about to do the same detent % setting technique on my CM3 today. Thanks👍🏽💯
do you fly the F/A-18C? and if so, how much power has your idle setting? I have mine as 70%
@@robertcras8151 Not sure for the F-18. I mainly fly the F-16 in BMS, but am starting to feel out the F-18 here and there.
@@GeorgeStarkes and how much % power do you have on idle for the F16 as reference?
@@robertcras8151 That's a good question. I am using the classic detents with detent lock in both end axis's. I'll let you know when I get home from work later today. Might be around 16 - 17%. Maybe a tad bit more.
@@robertcras8151 This is the same as me, it can be 70% at idle, can it?
Thanks, it's very helpful.
Thanks dude!
Man I wish you still kept making videos.
youre really good at it
oO - The nozzles made me do it.
I just got the Virpil CM3 throttle. It was a piece of cake getting the afterburner detent to align with the afterburner cut on an cut off in the DCS F/A-18. All I had to do was slightly shift the position of the physical afterburner detent on the CM3 so that it aligned perfectly with the afterburner on and off in the aircraft.
But the idle/cutoff detent has been a huge pain in the butt. I have the idle detent positioned so that the CM3 reads 11% throttle in the Virpil software and when I have the CM3 throttle back right up against the idle detent, the F/A-18 in DCS goes into idle. So far, so good. The problem I'm having is that when I move the CM3 throttles back past the idle detent from 11% to 0% in the Virpil software, the throttles in the F/A-18 remain at idle and don't move to cutoff.
This makes no sense because when I have the CM3 at idle and at 11% in the Virpil software, the DCS Axis Tunes the little black square and red dots aren't at the zero position on the throttle axis. They are right around the 11% mark, although DCS Axis Tune doesn't tell you the exact %. And when I move the CM3 throttles out of the idle position and past the idle detent to the cutoff position and 0% in the Virpil software, the black square and red dots in the DCS Axis tune move from around 11% to the zero position on the axis, but the F/A-18 throttles remain in the idle position and don't move to cutoff.
This makes no sense. The aircraft isn't responding to what's happening in the Virpil software and the DCS Axis Tune. There should be a way to get the aircraft throttles into cutoff by simply matching the position of Virpil throttles, without having to create virtual buttons in the Virpil software and DCS.
I previously had the Thrustmaster Warthog and the F/A-18 responded perfectly to the idle and cutoff positions on the Warthog without having to add virtual buttons and without having to add a dead zone or an axis curve.
I'm going to take a stab at this, even though I don't have this device yet (should arrive next week). DCS won't go into idle cutoff without the throttle being at 0%. So even pressing the idle cut off button (for example, R ALT END to cut the left engine using the keyboard) won't cut the engine because your throttle is still 'above 0%' when the virtual button is pressed. Logically, this means setting a deadzone so that 11% physical throttle input = 0% in game. This is unfortunately the only way I'd see it working. I'm guessing the TM Warthog simply had physical buttons beyond the end of the sensor travel on it's throttles, eliminating the need to use actual throttle sensor travel to create 'virtual' buttons. Perhaps a more elegant solution, but there we are...
Great tutorial, thx!
Hi, so I followed your tutorial but set the deadzone seems not to be enought to set the axis to idle position. Did you check in flight the result on axis scheme? (RCRTL+ENTER). Thx.
ho no sorry, after many tests, it s seems than is DCS F18 related. On the ground, I am 65%RPM idle and in flight, it s 70%rpm. (And with red cursor above idle position)
That is fuckin' awesome! Great tutorial! Thanks!
Sup Jon! I get the chance to say this... FIRST!!!! Thanks for this vid buddy.
@Raffeal Morris You’re welcome
Thank for the video!
Is there any way to set a momentary push for a button when it is derived from the axis? (example button pressed every time the 0-12 and the 13-100% change state). Going past 12% would toggle engines on, going under 11% would turn them of with a momentary press (I´d like to avoid the buttons being held down when the axis is in the "state")
Thanks Thanks Thanks Thanks Thanks !!!!!!!
hey man, YOur vids have helped me alot but since you posted this the software has been updated and the part where you set the range for the detents and asign a button has changed and i cant figure out how to set a button for the detent ranges
The best way to see when afterburner will come on is doing CTRL+ENTER in the f16 or f18. This will show you the input graphs with the afterburner detent.
Thank you for the info.
Thx i ordert my cm3 and this Video is what i Need 😇😏
I just got mine yesterday! You're gonna love this! I was an aircraft electrician long ago, I approve of this quality! Lol. 😆
@@SQTierHog how long was your time from order to the ring on your door??
@@xXx1Falcon1xXx I just saw your question. I'm sorry I didn't follow up with that info! Of course you'd wanna know. I'm gonna check......
@@xXx1Falcon1xXx March 25 I ordered CM 3 Throttle, received it on Sunday, 11th, although date was for the 14th.
Now, I ordered the 2 control panels on same day, they're shipped, to arrive 19th, but I'll probably get them a couple days sooner.
If your haven't already, make an account with DHL, you'll get great tracking work them. They're great! I chose DHL, not FEDEx. I'm glad I did.
@@SQTierHog ok thx. For your information. I am waiting..... and waiting ...... 😇
could u next week make a vid about how to set up the mongooset stik?
Hi,
Do you use vjoy and joy gremlin to use the buttons numbered above 32?
John, can you do an updated video of this? The software is completely different now.
Hi, I see I was the last one on here. I moved house and left my stuff untouched for a while. When picking it up it did not work as it should. I took the opportunity to use the new software and the latest firmware and wanted to redo everything again when I noticed that the part about the detents is different now. The assignment of buttons is different. Any suggestion on how to do it now?
For afterburner, it’s a lot easier to just shift the position of your physical detent to align with afterburner cut on an cut off in the aircraft, instead messing with the DCS axis tune settings.
@Eric R I’m happy to see you got your detent figured out. There are many ways of setting up the throttle to best suit your needs. I believe I mention that where I have my settings may differ depending on what combo of detents you’re using. Moving the physical detent is a great solution if your only flying aircraft where the afterburner reacts at the same throttle position. What happens if you want to jump from a F 18 over to a Mig. Guess what you better get your allen key out and re adjust the detent due to the Mig afterburner coming on at 50% throttle. As far as the reason behind my axis to button setting I believe I mention that I’m running the warthog detent on my throttle when in idle position I’m a 14% in the Virpil software so mine is at 11% to keep me from activating the virtual button every time I return to idle from mil power. The only way for me to activate the cut off is to physically lift detent and move back to cut off position. I have been using Virpil products for 2 plus years the great thing about their products is the ability to set up the device to best fit your needs. There are lots of different ways of setting up your device I am glad you found a way that works for you. Happy flying.
How do you get the options menu to come up while in flight mode?
Does this have to be done for every single aircraft? I have an Orion 2 that somehow is perfectly setup by default for all my aircraft, but have a CM3 on order and this process does not look fun for multiple aircraft.
I have a question. I have followed your virtual detent tutorial, however, when I pop the throttle down into the idle position on the f16 (right after the physical detent) I am unable to actually achieve idle, as the throttle is slightly ahead of the idle position. It is only when I move my throttle back into what should be the off position that I am able to put the engine in idle. It seems that something is clearly messed up. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
Bump up your dead zone. That’s what I do.
Had the same issue.
Thanks, cool tutorial!
But it's a shame we only have 4 Axis to button mappings in the software.
I like to have my Throttle slider to operate as Airbrake on the A-10 and that already 'cost' me two buttons.... (couldn't get axis to button work with joystick gremlin alone)
You can also set up axis to buttons within the axis. I’ll do a quick video and get it up today showing how to do this.
@gubernator46 hope this helps czcams.com/video/28i31EbU32g/video.html
My Virpil Software does not have a Result Button column when I'm trying to setup the Axis as button presses at 7:23.
7:20 in the current software version i cant find the "result button" right after the range, can you help me plz ?
The way DCS handles this is SUPER confusing. In MSFS in an aircraft like say the FBW A320, you just position your throttle where you want each detent to be and click a button and it calibrates it so that throttle position it that detent. Wish DCS did the same :(
How many dogs you have ?😍
Is it possible to pay for lessons on setting up my throttle and joystick for dcs fa18 and then get beginner lessons? I’m so overwhelmed
i'm sorry but i can't see the "result button" inVPC Conf Tool what do i wrong ??
Can I use the aft detent for thrust reverse
I don’t see why you couldn’t. You will have to set up an axis to button then bind the button to your sim.
Hi Jon! How much does the Virpil MongoosT-50CM3 weigh? ...and in Msfs 2020 is possible to reverse thrust ? Thx.
I’m not sure of a accurate weight I’d say around 10lbs. I will weigh it whenever I get home from my trip and give you an answer.
@@JGandT Thank you ! 👍
So, I have classic plus detent all the way forward like you and when I'm trying to set up the afterburner detent I like need to go in the opposite direction. Like I need 102 percent saturation. It's really close by default without making any changes but I can't quite get full mil power without hopping over the detent gate just the smallest bit. Any ideas?
Can you slide the detent back a little?
@@JGandT that's just going to exacerbate the problem and make my full mil power even lower rpm without jumping over the gate/detent. It's super odd to me that my range turned out so different than yours. I'll try recalibrating in the Virpil software but I'm pretty sure I did everything correctly the first time.
I was being dense and not understanding exactly what was happening. Two things though. First, the drawback of using your method here takes away some of your granularity/control at the top end of your throttle. The more saturation you take off the larger the deadzone at the top of the throttle/afterburner, i.e. you lose the ability to finely control the afterburner zones. I settled on about 95 on the saturation and it's a decent compromise but I still lose like ~5 percent of the top of the throttle. Second, and this has nothing to do with your method but a DCS problem that I'm about to go comb the forums and see if it's already reported, the actual afterburner noise in the cockpit/the fuel flow increase from activating the first stage of afterburner is not synced with the animation/visual model of the afterburner in the F2/external view. You hear the afterburner kick on in the cockpit and the fuel flow jumps but in the F2 the visual afterburner model is not on. Thanks a bunch for your help and videos.
Did you have any issues mounting that throttle on the Next Level Racing chair?
I had to drill new holes in the mounting plate outside of that it was pretty straight forward.
mine isnt picking up movement on dcs
With the throttle-arms physically uncoupled/split, there seems to be a digital coupling between them when they are within a couple of percent from each other; making them digitally stick together.
Is there any way to disable this digital coupling?
There is a easy fix step1 open vpc software and select your device. Step2 go to axis on the right side about half way down you will see where it says throttle double axis functions step3 change action button / mode to 0 then hit save vpc device. Make note of what that button number was so you can put it back if you want to. You can also adjust the dead zone down this will make it so the throttles have to be even closer to digitally lock. I hope this helps.
@@JGandT Thanks man! Works perfectly! :)
clear and simple vid! Thanks - however, followed this to the letter - or so I thought. Not working. any hints/tips obviously I am missing something badly.... thanks
Did you manage to get it working? I have followed the video to the letter but somehow it doesn't go the full way and when I go forward, it only goes 1/5 of the way
@@robertcras8151 hi, I eventuality got it working after much searching on YT and on discord. I have not sorted the Afterburner as yet. Getting off/idle was hard enough...need to recover from this task first
@@Barney-ic3uy its driving me nuts. it looks ok, feels ok. But when I go in to dcs... my throttle visually only goes 1/5 of the way
@@robertcras8151 that's a new one on me, so what you're saying is when you push the throttle forward, in DCS its stopping at some point, even though you are pushing forward to the max?
@@Barney-ic3uy I think I am being a noob, perhaps the throttle itself is not yet configured in DCS. So many throttle controls!! which is just for more/less power?
Just a note: you didn't set it up correctly. IDLE\STOP (in DCS) means: if the button is pressed, go to idle cutoff. Otherwise- go to idle. So what you should have done is to map only one button per axis (which should be activated when you move the throttle towards you and over the detent), and use the IDLE\STOP option only.
Button, and not switch, right? Just setting mine up now.
This sounds correct for the A-10C. Don't have my CM3 yet to confirm, but the TM Warthog mapping in DCS for IDLE/STOP works like that. It's basically a button that is held down while your throttle is in that low position, and as when you come off of it it starts engines.
For FC3 planes, they typically have a specific button to start or stop the engine. Thus, they need one button activated as you come up from low throttle (start engine), and another button to activate to stop the engine coming from higher throttle (stop engine). Since DCS doesn't allow the same button to map to two different functions, I think this is why this set up makes some sense. For the A-10, you only need one. Other FC3 dual engine planes, you need two to behave like the Warthog.
Hope ED just copy/paste how it works in BMS sim
So you have the virtual button for idle being activated from 7% to 12% throttle but when your CM3 was back against the idle detent, the Virpil software read 13% to 14%.
So if you have the aircraft in DCS at mil power and then your move your CM3 throttles back so they rest right up against the idle detent, but not past it, the aircraft should be at idle, but it won’t be because with your CM3 throttles in that position right back up against the idle detent, they will still be at 13% to 14%.
The way you set it up, the aircraft wouldn’t be in idle, because you set up the virtual button for idle in DCS to not be activated until your CM3 throttles reach 7% to 12%.
Shouldn’t you have set it up so that the virtual button for idle gets activated when their throttles are in the 7% to 14%. This way, when you move your throttles back from mil pier to rest against the idle detent and they are reading 13 or 14%, the virtual button mapped to idle in DCS will be activated.
The way you have it set up, idle will only be activated during start up when moving from cutoff to just past the idle detent, because to get CM3 throttles past the idle detent, they have to pass thru the 7% to 12% range, even though once your CM3 throttles are actually in the idle position, they will be reading 13 or 14%. That fine for start-up, but there are also times while flying, when you need to go to idle, and the way you have it set up, you would have to move your throttles back past the idle detent to get into that 7% to 12% range in order to activate idle in the DCS aircraft. That’s a dangerous thing to do while flying, because once you move the throttles back past the idle detent, you could easily reach the 6% range which would cause your DCS aircraft throttles to go to cutoff.
Perhaps I’m not understanding your set up accurately, but it sure does seem like this would be the case that you can’t go get the aircraft from mil power to idle without moving your CM3 throttles back past the idle detent.
Question, when I saturate like this then I don’t get 100% power if I put the throttle all the way up, is there a workaround?
I’ll look into this.
Hi,
Great tutorials. I am having a problem with setting up the idle / off buttons. They show up correctly on the vpc software. DCS does not recognize the button pushes. I copied your settings so I am using logical buttons 102-105. In DCS I even tried to assign the button press manually but the button list in the drop down box does not go that high. Any ideas?
Did you assign the physical buttons to logical ones. Also with the newest Virpil software windows only goes up to 78. So maybe try assigning physical buttons to the next available logical buttons.
@@johnathangraham7226 hi, I did assign logical. I am not sure what you mean by the last statement. I have the latest vcp software and there are 128 buttons available. When I activate the buttons with the throttle, they light up red just like your video. But , in vcp tester app, no button activation occurs.
@dennis johnson. After you set up the axis to buttons you have to go over to the buttons tab and on the right side you will see a list. That list is where you tie your physical buttons to logical buttons. If you clicked off of the video to soon you would have missed this step. Let me know if this works for you.
@@johnathangraham7226 I understand that. I followed your steps all the way to the part where you launched DCS and assigned the detents. Yes, I did tie the physical to the logical. When I move my throttle through the detents, the buttons light up, just like your tutorial. The problem is when I move the throttle through the detents, VPC tester app shows no buttons being activated. And DCS does not show any buttons above 83. I have entered a ticket with Virpil. hopefully they can help. Keep up the good work. I really like your vids.
@@johnathangraham7226 got it all sorted. I updated the firmware and started fresh. There was something in my first attempt that got things screwed up. Detents are working fine now
Hello, I am using the same throttle with the same settings. Same detents etc. The problem is when I am in idle, the plane will start to move. The RPM's are at 70%. Is there a way to fix this?
You need to bump your dead zone up in the game axis settings.
@@JGandT thank you. Just watched video again and that’s what I kept missing
what size Allen key?
For the detents?
I can't get mine to show any keys past 63, followed you step by step, PC wont recogonize anything past that. What should I do?
I will look into this I’m not sure if this is a windows thing or Virpil software. I’ll take a look and let you know.
@@JGandT Thank you, I managed to get it recogonized up to 83, so I just used 80-83 for the mapping and works fine.
I just got my throttle today, spent the last 3 hours just trying to get it set up, really not liking the software lol.
Made a few mistakes and had to uninstall and reinstall twice.
I have tried every wich way and I cannot get this to work 😩... any advice anybody ...
Neither can I, did you get it to work?
@@robertcras8151 no mate , I gave up and just bound two of the square buttons for the detents
I followed your tutorial but it still it is not reading in dcs world
@stephen Sadler I will do a new video tomorrow it seams like something has changed. I’m not sure if it is windows, Virpil or dcs. I’ll get a new video up tomorrow.
I can not get the idle/stop to work in DCS for the life of me:-(
Did you manage it by now? Neither can I
@@robertcras8151 Nope
Did you get it going?
@@JGandT no sir I have not
@@eq9710 I will be doing a live show on Friday at 3pm mst hop on and I will see if I can help you out.
This is not working 100% for me, cus I loose 10% on max throttle on top of the curve
I am not even getting passed idle... what am I doing wrong here... followed it to the letter I think
Did you get it working?
@@JGandT yes although my idle is a bit high, 70%
Have you found a way to use all 100% of range (not loosing top 10% due to saturation changes?). I'm struggling with the same thing.
@@TorroLT I have found a way. I will make a quick videos on it this weekend.
I actually recommend that you do not include any section past the cutoff in the calibration, that way you don't have to "tune out" that section in DCS. You also do not need 2 virtual buttons for cutoff, DCS can take the "off" state of a button as an input. Lastly, pressing "R CTRL+ENTER" will show you your input viewer, and it shows you the afterburner point.
I followed the instructions via CZcams of Jon's gaming and tech. And I have my throttle set up as follows for the F/A-18C:
before the first detent off
over the first detent idle (70% power)
between 1st and 2 detent 70-99% power
over the second detent Afterburner
Is that about correct?
It’s hard to say every detent will have to be set up differently. You can tune the detent in dcs. I use the external view and adjust my dead zone and saturation to my liking.
@@JGandT yes I saw that. In between detents i go from 70-100% power, push over the last detent i go to afterburner. Don’t exactly understand what you are configuring with the external view. Is there like multiple fases of afterburner which you want to micromanage?