GeForce RTX 4070 Super vs. Radeon RX 7900 GRE, GeForce Premium Worth It?
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00:00 - Welcome to Hardware Unboxed
00:34 - Ad Spot
01:19 - GeForce RTX 4070 Super vs. Radeon RX 7900 GRE
01:47 - Test System
02:02 - Rainbow Six Siege
02:21 - Counter-Strike 2
02:47 - Helldivers 2
03:14 - Starfield
03:34 - Call of Duty Warzone
04:15 - Fortnite
05:00 - Remnant II
05:41 - Horizon Forbidden West
06:27 - The Last of Us Part I
06:58 - Baldur's Gate 3
07:33 - Avatar: Frontiers of Pandora
08:09 - Assassin's Creed Mirage
08:35 - The Callisto Protocol
09:08 - Resident Evil 4
09:48 - Far Cry 6
10:14 - Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart
11:27 - Star Wars Jedi: Survivor
12:13 - F1 23
13:00 - Forza Motorsport
13:56 - Cyberpunk 2077: Phantom Liberty
14:56 - Marvel’s Spider-Man Remastered
15:50 - Dying Light 2 Stay Human
16:35 - Hogwarts Legacy
17:16 - Average Results
21:13 - Final Thoughts
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Update: I found a settings error in Helldivers 2, the results are incorrect, though the margins are much the same at 1440p and 4K between these two GPUs. The correct data can now be found in the TechSpot article here, apologies for the mistake: www.techspot.com/review/2826-geforce-rtx-4070-super-vs-radeon-7900-gre/
Steve definition of vacation is weird to say the least.
That's how you get to 1M subs, someone who loves his job/hobby, I need this level of dedication!
To be fair, he didn't say how much chocolate was consumed during benchmarking...
(LOL!)
No weirder than his definition of a shed 😄 The man built a house single-handedly and shrugs like it was no big deal. Steve is just built differently than the rest of us.
Holiday*
Is it so uncommon though?.. Most people I know work through their vacations/holidays, maybe at like half capacity but still
Got GRE few days ago. Pretty happy about it. +50% gain to my 3060ti.
Ordered it yesterday, also to replace my 3060 TI, that 50% sounds reassurering
@@Scott99259 is DLSS really 50% boost tho?
@@Scott99259 i am not a marketing victim and i don't need fake performance with dlss or fsr or any other 'frame generation'. i want pure rasterization power and true native resolution quality. and don't tell me that dlss looks the same or doesn't have lag. that's physically impossible.
Got GRE too, Hellhound amazing card probably the quietest while running cool card I've ever had so far. I don't use any upscalers they do look like shit, acceptable at 1440p tho.
@@walter1824 check dlss vs native comparision of hardware unboxed.
It's important to remember that the 7900 GRE's memory is kind of underclocked out of the box. You can gain massive performance improvements with a memory OC, over 10% in a lot of cases.
Indeed, I'm not sure that was as fully available during testing, was it? 🤔
you are delusional gains are minimal which doesn't change anything about this comparison
10% isn't massive lol
@@NeverSettleForMediocrity Nvidia Shill detected.
@@NeverSettleForMediocrityGiven the difference between the two averaged at just 1% - getting 5-10% free performance actually does change things ever so slightly. And it's still the cheaper product.
As a 3070 owner who fell for the raytracing waffle , I've enabled it in 3 games and then turned it off, raytracing seems to be for the spectator as I've never really noticed it while playing, what I did notice was the massive hit to fps and that's why it features stay off in my case. Also 8Gb VRAM is not enough now , the same way 12Gb won't be enough in 2-3 years
Exactly im on a 2070 and can see it. im going xtx for the vram amount
Bro, same I have 3070 I just played guardians of the galaxy @ 4K ultra plus DLSS quality getting 75-89 fps
And graphic are incredible ! Very tiny game drops doesn’t hurt my 8Vram or my enjoyment of the game highly recommended by the way
You guys have gpus that can’t handle RT properly so you make massive performance sacrifices to get it and of course don’t see the win.
Try games with good RT implications with a 4090 and then com e back tot ell em it’s not a night and day difference
RT not being as big as it is today is not the graphics card’s fault. Blame the developers who would rather spend resources and time in optimizing monetization and marketing.
@@lawyerlawyer1215 so i should buy a 4090 to see that the raytracing quality in most games is just as shit as with my old card but now with double the fps? uh no thanks ill just leave rt off and be happy
This seemed like a lot of work. Thanks for all you do.
Nah ... you cannot talk of work when the GPU's do all of it by themselves! =)
[Kappa]
Sure he had plenty of time searching for easter eggs ...
7900GRE in my opinion is the best high end midrange card this generation. Get last Gen Top end performance at just $550 with alot of overclocking potential and 16GB of VRAM
Too many fell for Super branding. Regular 4070 also has 12GB and is less overpriced.
I have a 4080 and despite the cost, I've been happy with it the last few years. But I think AMD straight up made better cards this gen. Maybe the last one too tbh. The 6600xt, 6800, and 6800xt were monsters for their price.
The 7900xtx is like 80% of the 4090 performance for what? 50% of the cost? IDK. If you guys can run raytracing at 280 hz, then fair enough. But the incoming gen I am going to have a very, very good look at whatever AMD comes out with
@@zzavatskino.. the super is a better value ($ per fps)
@@sstier48 When game requires more than 12GB both are the same (unplayable) performance. That's why the cheaper one is better deal.
@@hansolo631 the 4080 hasn't even been released for a "few years" lol unless you're talking about the 3080..
these deep dives are always super interesting to watch. Good job and thank you!
That was a lot of testing. Thank you for your work Steve.
Thank you guys for all your hard work!
Great content. Thanks Hardware Unboxed!
Steve's idea of relaxing sounds like hard work, over the Easter break I was at a friends 60th birthday party and a great time was had by all
We appreciate the work involved.
Thank you Sir for apparently being the only media outlet that I know about that includes comprehensive DLSS details. I was doubting between exactly these 2 cards for a 3-4 year life span, and DLSS was exactly the hard-to-answer yet all important question I needed to know about.
The 7900 GRE with memory OC's hits the same figures as a 7900 XT (~10-15% increase on average) for $550 USD and with the 4 extra gigs of VRAM I think its a shame that it wasn't taken into consideration more heavily for your final thoughts especially since the only technical drawback to the GRE itself is its memory throughput compared to its much beefier CUs and its also relatively easy to do in AMD's own software
4 Gigs less VRAM of the 7900 GRE compared to the 7900 XT is indeed another technical drawback.
@@hassosigbjoernson5738 I mean 16 GB is more than enough even for 4k gaming on most titles.
You could overclock rtx 4070 super too which matches a rx 7900 gre still(in hardware unboxed's video)
@@Birdman._. I don't know wich video you watche, but in the newest video, the 7900 GRE is faster then the 4070 super when both cards are OC'ed czcams.com/video/q5tbCbm1IYM/video.html
Yeah but no amount of OC can get close to Nvidia's rendering speed. That 50 bucks difference is well damn worth it specialty if do both work and games.
And Nvidia is more worth it in my country since they are priced at the same as amd cards.
Thank you for the great info I just really think that there should have been some OC numbers for the 7900 GRE since I think most will be rocking it with some degree of OC even more so with the new drivers and the memory unlock for way more than what we were able to. Other than being a bit more power hungry, about 100W compared to the 4070 Super the difference is quite noticeable and there’s a lot of frames to be gained from what I’ve seen, then again, thank you for all the work and the info on so many test for these cards!
I think it should be important to point out if the 7900GRE was memory overclocked or not, since the uncap update gave this GPU a significant performance increase.
He was on vacation before the new driver came with the Vram OC. So this is done with no Vram OC
It did not give it a significant performance update for everybody.
Only if you have the hynix memory.
A lot of us can't even reach 2400 stable.
So we're still pretty much 2316 fast timings. Nothing has really changed.
And this is actually much more common than you think.
Great video. I love the amount of data 😊
Amazing video guys, this is all I needed to make an informed decision purchase. Thanks
given how well the GRE can respond to overclocking, I think the benchmarks ought to have included this (although I get there is a separate video on this already)
it responds badly to overclocking due to the lottery, don't count on more than 5% + instability in different titles
@@NeverSettleForMediocrity lol you regardless of oc performance, Ray Tracing and DLSS premiums aren't worth if the GPU has only 12 GB . The only GPU worth buying is the 4090 for you know $1500
My gre memory crashes on anything over 2350mhz so yeah, basically stock. Got core to work at 26-2700 but it eats like 330 watts at max load
@@markgutierez9922 They said literally nothing about Nvidia, just stated a fact about the cards. The GRE is cheaper because it's using lower-quality bins so the lottery is real. I get the temptation to shit on the big monopoly at ever opportunity but this comment kinda just adds nothing
@@colbyboucher6391 we watched a video comparing two GPUs all comments are made with the context in mind. His comment is basically saying there is no point in OC 7900 GRE not going to see any noticeable performance, I point out that Nvidia is still over priced. So we both point out negative aspects of one of the GPUs presented.
These benchmark videos are awesome. The hard work put in definitely shows in the result. Also so helpful when it comes to choosing parts. Helps someone see what is right in their scenario.
Awesome! Yet another GRE test from Hardware Unboxed!
Liked and subscribed based in this video alone. Excellent work.
Your videos are always at the point, thanks for upload
DLDSR + DLSS combo is alone worth it only way to make game with bad TAA to not look like blurry mess at 1080p. Difference in games like RDR2 or Jedi Survivor is like day and night on top of that DLDSR also help when game is aliased af.
Yep, people don't realise this. If you don't have DLDSR + DLSS, you are forced to increase the render scale and increase the sharpening in games like RDR2 if you want to reduce the blurriness of the awful TAA implementation.
@@someasianguy8493increasing rendering scale increases the resolution, which is roughly what DLDSR does, but without the additional improvements that DLDSR and DLSS make to ensure image stability through AI. Sharpening isn't really the solution as there's still blurring that gets worse as you start moving. Plus, it's possible that sharpening will reveal what TAA is trying to hide. So far, the only way I've found to fix the blur is to increase the resolution, which will make the image more stable and less blurry. DLDSR + DLSS is the best because both of these things are intended to improve image stability and reduce TAA blur, but if you can't use it, the resolution scale will also improve the quality, but without DLSS the performance hit will be higher
I went with the 7900 gre. I saved $50, got more vram for longevity, and I don't have to worry about that Nvidia power connector. If Nvidia had put that other 4gb of vram in there, they would have had my money.
Now overclock the memory for a free 10% performance
Lot of work, thank you so much.
I think your wider analysis of all the existing RT-enabled games is going to be really important. I've owned an RTX card since the very start and I've found two games where the (considerable) framerate hit was even a noticeable visual improvement. Of the 75ish games Steam claims I've played since buying a first-gen RTX card, I didn't bother playing with RT effects enabled, I merely experimented with settings and decided that the massive hit to performance detracted from the experience far more than the slightly better visuals added to it.
Yeah the non-overclocked GRE isn't great in this match up, pushing the memory interface though really let's it accelerate away from the 4070S from the benchmarks I've seen (and that was OC to OC). I've tried RT, I was not blown away by it given the free marketing everyone has been giving it, so I'll be interested in and watching the future videos.
He needs test more games that doesn't favor one or the other
@@chriswright8074 by saying that you're not appreciating the amount of work goes into testing the 25-odd games (over 50 game tests when including FSR/DLSS, RT) that he already tests
Finally Helledivers 2!!!!!
Thanks Steve
exactly the video i wanted! thank you howow onbox
No problem... Thank you for the video. Have a nice weekend.
Did you buy that AMD card?😂
@@Chopper153 I can't right now, building a house. I was thinking about getting the rx 7800xt later on.
Thanks Steve.
Back to you Steve.
no the Nvidia premium is not worth it when you only get 12gb vram.
Nvidia's "premium" is more mindshare than anything else.
It's enough for 1440p gaming
@@joelconolly5574 same mindset as people who bought 8gb 3070/ti , look at them now lol
@@joelconolly5574 Maybe now, but in the future?
AMD need 1-2GB VRAM more ingame aswell dont forget that. Nvidia Card is fine for 1080p/1440p for the next 3 Years.
Really loving the new graphical overlay.
Interesting and great analysis. I wonder what happened in MW3. GRE was well ahead of 4070 Super in your GRE Retest Video, now reversed. Different quality settings though.
2 GPU's over 58 games?!?!?! You're a madman, Steve, and I appreciate you and your teach so much!
Just swapped my 7800xt for the msi Rtx 4070 super slim and don’t regret it
you`ll regret it, just not today,
Congrats 4070 super is great
@@lucaschenJC yeah for me it was a better choice for my work as rasterisation in games is less important than a smooth timeline in premiere
@@silvio351 I got a Radeon 7800XT previously and had serious driver issue timed out twice in an hour, black screen.
DDU in safe mode, reinstalled latest drivers(tried older and newer gen), RMA and received another dud, checked all my connections if plugged in properly.
Do you know how to solve this problem, cause it's driving me crazy, in-fact I am not the only one with this issue(Can easily google it).
I previously had 6800XT(XFX RMA twice)
, Zotac 1080Ti (Artifacting so can't RMA since warranty expired)
My current specs:
7800x3d
2x16GB 6000MHz (EXPO enabled) Team Group RAM
TUF GAMING B650-PLUS WIFI
Corsair RM850e
2TB 980 Pro (Game drive)
In my country it cost converted ~USD$50 more to get RTX 4070 super, so was thinking about it.
I already regret my 7800XT many months ago. Was thinking about 7900XTX but even people reported driver timeout issue...
I'd love to see a behind the scenes video about these benchmarks. Like how you store the games and everything else you need to do in order to get the videos done.
Thrilled that you added Helldivers 2, the game is taking the gaming world by storm and is played so much!
12GB vram for 600$? Yeah, hard pass...
perfectly fine for wqhd
i rather take 12GB on a functional GPU with basically flawless drivers compared to the absolute abomination of what RDNA3 is... (and i own a 7800XT and 7900XTX)
How about ultrawide?@@ScrayaZ
kekw you probably aren't buying either of them, you're just here to complain and validate your salt
Agreed, should have been 16gb
I've watched a thousand Hardware Unboxed videos over the years, but never until today have I watched one during a week when I was actually planning to buy a GPU. I'm honored that Steve just happened to put in such an enormous amount of work on the one day I really needed it. I'm going AMD. Thanks, Steve.
Do you put attention and still took the wrong choice going AMD? Yikes
@@lawyerlawyer1215 Try one more time in english this time lil bud
great choice personally i would have gotten nvidia if they didnt ask shit prices and specs on cards that just arent good. i like amd software a lot. more user friendly.
So you didn't watch the video then? GRE loses at everything but 4k. And lots of tittles the performance at 4k isnt good... just better then the 4070 super.
Then you also lose at upscaling, raytracing, and power consumption.
AMD trained their fanboys well LOL
@@josejuanandrade4439 You mean, Nvidia trained their fanboys well (judging by your comment). As Steve clearly said at the end of the video, "you could go either way" depending on what you are prioritizing in your purchase.
Great timing, I am in the market for something around these price points. Superb video 👍🏼👍🏼
This was very useful. I ended up going for the GRE a few days ago simply because of the OC performance uplift it showcases at 1440p. The 4070S is simply not competitive vs. an OC'ed 7900GRE
Managed to snag a 7900gre for 510 euro. Seems like a good deal.
good deal mate. Well done. Bought mine a week ago for 560€, no regrets tho. The card is a beast, specially in OC.
Sounds like mindfactory prices. I can't find anything in my country under 670€
Would love one for that price, in Finland they're unfortunately starting at 649
Sucks. I could find some for around 630€, but immediately after the oc unlock, prices jumped up.
Yeah both the cheapest 4070 super and 7900 GRE are 650€ here.
It's great that you clarify, how raytracing drops frame rate to subjectively unplayable gaming experience in most titles at 1440p even with the 4070 super.
I remember buying a 2070 Super over a 2060 Super in the hope of playing ray traced games with it.
Oh, how I laugh about that now.
Tha's complete bullshit. Most RT titles run great at 1440p on the 4070S. They fall apart at 4K but the 4070S is not a 4K+RT card anyway.
"in most titles" which were like 3, one of them unoptimized as shit (ratchet n clank), another is Cyberpunk which literally has real life lighting option basically and the most insane graphics in gaming history, and hogwarts legacy. And they all can be run with dlss/fsr and fg at at least 60-100 fps. while in reality most titles run smoothly at 1440p ultra ray tracing setting at 70-150 fps even without dlss and fg (tho i still turn them on, cus TSR and TAA AA solutions look horrendous compared to dlss quality mode, and fg is just free fps basically). Both rtx 4070 super and 7900 gre showed great results.
Nope, they're not. Take Nvidia titles like Alan Wake 2; the 4070 Super won't hit 60 fps at RT high on 1440P. Same deal with Cyberpunk 2077. Other games don't hit GPUs as hard, though, for both AMD and Nvidia.
@@ALLInOne-vq5em yes, but is it "most titles"? no, it's just a couple very demanding games, or unoptimized. 99% of games will run perfectly fine on 4070 super and 7900gre, some even at 4k.
i might have missed it in the video, but which models of the cards were used?
Both are Gigabyte cards. It's shown on the thumbnail, mentioned at 1:20 which you can always find in the chapters of the video.
Love your work! ;)
I ended up going with the 4070 super because it has less of a power draw, and for very small case builds this is important to keep heat and noise levels down.
I love my GRE. Got it a few weeks ago finally after using the 1070 for over 6 years. It took me a while to figure out the amd tweaks and settings but once I got it all set it is working great.
what did you end up doing to the settings?
@@juliocardona3378 memory OC and just general game-to-game optimization.
Hi Steve, had to watch this video twice because it is jam packed with your detailed benchmarking results and your valued opinions. I have 3 Sons I have built Gaming Rigs for, and I must say I finally have swung my own advice to the value proposition and RAM of the GRE GPU. Rasterization performance is still key here and that's where I believe you have solid data combined with the few titles that utilize Ray Tracing at an acceptable level. Overall, thank you for the quality and thorough analysis I have come to enjoy and rely on from Hardware Unboxed. Thank Sir, your efforts are always appreciated!
I feel like sitting on my RX6700xt and holding off upgrading did me a solid. I did pick up the 7900GRE (asrock steel legend white edition at £480) and it has been amazing. I have now adjusted the clock speeds and my experience was different from yours. Components will also play a difference and I do not (neither should any gamer) even think about RT or dlss. Both are still limited gimmicks. I have the 7900GRE paired with a ryzen 5 7600.
The Nvidia cards have a place and it is streaming/editing. If you are using the gpu for those plus gaming you will not be wasting a single pence on the 4070/4070 super. I can do those very well on the GRE but it is not what I bought the card for. It is the exact amount I paid for the 6700xt at release and I clawed back £300 from it.
A very detailed and thorough dive into the benchmarks there, thanks for the hard work, Steve. The ray tracing deep dive you mentioned would also be an interesting piece of content should you decide to undertake it.
I'm really surprised there was no overclocked comparison at the end of this. Even just on 3 titles. It seems make quite a big difference actually. Great work as always Steve! Been here since before covid!
Not surprised here. Overclocking capabilities varies widely depending on silicon that the cards got shipped with. You can have two 7900 gre/ 4070s from the same manufacturer with very different overclocking results.
Upgraded to the Gigabyte Gaming OC GRE from my GTX 1080 and I'm happy with it so far. Unfortunately for me (and why you can't promise overclocking) the memory on mine just won't overclock well. Anything past 2.4GHz just crashes, so no big gains from overclocking for me, but those that can get closer to the 2.5-2.6Ghz number on the memory will enjoy a great value!
Excellent analysis.
You should only buy a 7900 GRE if you are willing to (memory) OC it. otherwise just take the 7800 xt for the AMD side.
You just move a slider and click a button.
@@jimmybobby9400 and even this, could be a challenge for some folks 🙂
It generally takes a pretty good core bump too. I haven't heard of silicon so bad that people can't get 2700MHz with a 1010mv baseline and a +15% TDP.
@@andersjjensen so far the issue of GRE with the bad overclock wasn't silicon related but bugs due to driver issues that AMD released a driver that should be the fix and I've seen videos of it that it fixes it. But I do not know how stable it is
@@pauloazuela8488 The numbers above are post "fix" numbers. You could do it before, but you had to use PowerTables via the registry.
After seeing the RTX remix for NFS underground, its hard to ignore RT completely anymore.
Great review. I was able to get the Gigabyte GAMING OC 4070 Super for $610 (as of now from New Egg) then combine with 5% discount using a Microcenter account so a 4070 Super Gaming OC for $579.50. If you’re looking for a 4070 Super right now and are in position to take advantage of this combo discount I hope this helps you get the max value for your money. Started my search in March thinking I might get a 4060ti but reviews convinced me to stretch my budget. I wanted best possible 1player visuals at 1440 for cyberpunk and helldivers so it was a no brainer between these cards.
Lately it has been just gaming performance comparison. You guys should include some productivity benchmarks as well like video editing, 3d softwares, etc. It helps in choosing relatively better GPU suited according to your needs. Not everyone plays games day & night. Keep up the good work. Thanks.
I bought a 7900gre two weeks ago and I have a feeling my 5600x is bottlenecking it even though my ram is 3733mhz. Also I have the CPU set to boost @ 4.85ghz with pno2 curve optimizer at negative 20. I'm going to upgrade my CPU to either a 5700x3d or 5800x3d.
It does for sure. 5800x3d is minimum for that GPU.. Skip 5700x3d if you can..
@@roki977 there's only about €30 difference between the two anyway but it will have to wait a few weeks because my cooker died just a week after buying the 7900gre
@@Steve30x i had 5700x at 4.85ghz and frames drops in every cpu demanding scenario like in cp2077 with lots of NPCs or simillar thing in Warzone and all that with rx 6800. With 5800x3d all those drops are almost gone, i have 7800xt now. Just saying its out of my exp..
yes just buy a 5800x3d and enjoy the motherboard for a long time still. till hell maybe even am6
In my opinion you should add Witcher 3 in RT tests, difference there is huge in visuals.
True! And 4070 Super should be a lot faster in that game with RT.
It's optimised like shit
@@pravnav Only on Novigrad, where it is heavily CPU limited. On more graphics intensive scenario it can give a pretty good indication of RTX performance. It is pretty heavy, but so is every Ray Tracing implementation that makes a difference.
@@band0lero The thing about the TW3 next gen update is now even with RTX turned off, the performance is much worse than the 1.32 'last gen' version. The directX 12 implementation was horribly done
@@evanhooper1with rt off, fsr quality and pretty high settings (a mix of high/ultra/ultra+) the new directx 12 version works decently enough on my radeon 6600 @ 1440p while looking better than the old version. From what I've read online it appears that people with amd cards and rt off generally don't have many problems with getting decent performance on witcher 3 ng
Excellent content as usual
Great video thanks
7900 GRE: 16GB VRAM @ 256 bits vs 4070 Super: 12GB VRAM @ 192 bits. Which one do you think will age better? And even Steve admits raytracing is still a joke in most games. It is NOT worth the loss of 40% FPS over some 'enhanced reflections' that I can barely notice during gameplay. If Nvidia had a bit of shame, they would be releasing RT with Blackwell since full path tracing brings even the 4090 to its knees. 😮💨
What will age better? A gpu that uses hardware upscaling and has a company that consistently updates it and also introduces new features every few months, compared to company that let their sh1t software upscaling rot with no major updates for over a year so badly that Intel, a competitor that just entered the gpu market, already has a better looking hardware and software solution? Tell me.
Even as a programmer who likes using AMD's Xilinx products I have to say they have been stagnating pretty bad on the software and feature side.
😮
Thanks for democratically benching Helldivers 2. Must try this dx11 switch 😅
Good Job Steve, great summary of what to expect for your dollars!
Will this be really the last 7900gre video? 🤣 loving them btw
Hi Steve you probably hear this a lot but i love you
Not enough for my liking, so thank you haha
@@Hardwareunboxed
Rocking a 5600X and a Sapphire Pure 7900GRE
i am curious on if you get bottlenecked by your cpu? how are the 1% lows on 1440p? im planning on getting the same gpu but i have a ryzen 5600, thanks in advance
@@dariosucevac7623 don't care about bottlenecks. But I will get a 5800X3d if I get a good used deal in the future. Right now all my games are 90-180fps at 1440p. I use a 144hz monitor so I can it at 144 anyway. Really happy with the card. And F RT.
Perfect timing for this review as i am currently whether GRE or 4070S.
Reason is my 6600XT being to slow for Helldivers. Currently playing it at 1080p 16:9 60 fps on my 21:9 UWQHD monitor.
Very nice again, thanks guys
Also the gre has a big oc potentional like u show in the other video, +30% power limit,undervolt and +3gbs for the memory and u get +10-15% fps so basicaly 4070 ti performance
Actully, As per tpu charts, Adding %15 to the gre should actually make it as fast as the 4070ti Super.
That's not even a overclock or just barely.
Looking at the 7800 xt and the 7900 xt and comparing what the 7900 GRE parts are rated for, the entire GPU basically comes underclocked out of the box and what you are describing is just setting the GPU to what it should be
@@Reac2 Yeah i think about the same, its nearly an 7900xt with narrower bus and comes out underclock, so u can undervolt and have the same performance as the 4070 super with max 200-210w power compsumption or u can go with the pw limit uv oc with 300w pw usage but little bit faster than a 4070 ti/4070 ti super
@@TheGrizz485thsts pushing too far, the 4070 ti super is between 15 to 20% faster than the 4070s. It will just barelly surpass the 4070ti.... Barelly. Steve uploaded a video about it.
@@nicane-9966 acoording to TPU the overclocked 7900GRE is the same performance as the stock 4070ti SUPER
I don't give a rats about ray tracing. Its still way too heavy on perf for the minor visual gains, and in many titles, the shadows aren't even better with RT, just different.
Yep they need to learn that the most exciting features are the ones with little to no downsides. This is why barely anyone actually cares about/uses features like ray tracing and frame gen. There's way too much of a trade off with both. Thats the same reason i love reflex so much because while the benefit is mild to moderate, there's literally 0 downside so I can always enable it no matter what.
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someone having amd and he cant play games with ray tracing,so mad
Yep, tried rt myself in a handful of titles and also thought it just looked different, not overall better. The only things I actually prefer RT for are sun shadows and water reflections, that's it. Anything else can look just different to a lot worse than just running high/ultra settings for normal rasterization. Unfortunately very few titles offer that level of control over their rt settings where you can limit it to the sun and water.
Pathtracing overall seems like it looks better though, at least in the Nvidia tech demo that is Cyberpunk anyways. Unfortunately consumer level pathtracing is the better part of a decade away and right now you basically need a super computer based on alien technology from the depths of Area 51 to run it unless you have 4090 money and are ok with massive amounts of upscaling on your hyperexpensive halo GPU just to hit barely playable framerates, which I am not. DLSS, FSR, XESS, doesn't matter which one, they all look like garbage when you try anything more than 20-25% over native, idc what anyone else says.
What a polished and thorough conclusion. If the charts were a bit complicated and showed mixed results depending on which particular games/settings you care about, the conclusion was easy to follow and went way beyond just digesting the graphs. Tons of context added about the market, games, value, upscaling/frame gen tech and what it is/isn't good for... Amazingly thorough! I won't buy either GPU, but I feel a lot more informed about the state of games and PC hardware after watching this!
That said, if you folks need to take more breaks and put out slightly fewer videos, I wouldn't mind and I think most of the viewers wouldn't either. Sure, there might be a loss of revenue from having less videos (less total watch time, fewer ad views, that's how CZcams revenue works, right?) but trade-offs, you know. If it'd help you folks have a better work-life balance it may be worth it! Anyway, I'll leave that sort of thing to you folks, you know your own needs best. Just thought I'd put that out there.
Best to you! Thanks for all the wisdom!
This is an excellent video. I really like my 7900GRE, I just wish that overclocking was included. It looks like you can make a 7900GRE perform like a 7900XT, with skill and luck, while I don't think the 4070-Super is capable of overclocking to the performance of the 4070-TI Super. Would've been interesting to include, but I get why due to variance in models...thanks for the excellent video.
Can we get a massive GPU benchmark for helldivers 2? 😮
Maybe some CPU 🤞
Well you basically got everything you need to know from this video - Nvidia massive advantage.
But it would be okay to see since its a veryy popular one.
Heres to hoping that amd users get driver updates to bring the gre up to par with nvidia cards, so everyone can spread democracy with smoooth framerates!
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Nvidia currently has the advantage (I assume in all 4000 vs 7000 series gpus). Probably because the developers tested using nvidia GPUs and not AMD gpus. Hopefully AMD updates their drivers to combat it, I doubt helldivers 2 will release an update to increase AMD performance.
Can we have a linux vs windows benchmark with these cards and cpu?
Oh man, that would be such a pain to benchmark! I can 100% guarantee that the moment Linux is mentioned, there will be comments like "yOu UsEd wRoNg dIsTrO" and "ummm ackshually thats the wrong version of dxvk it has 1.3% worse performance". Considering the sheer amount of variables to the amount of games tested it probably isn't worth it...
@@user-xe6sm4jv8f It don't think it would be too bad. Just go for an 'out of the box' distro config and start benchmarking. At worst the benchmarks have to be run twice. It would be so interesting though! Don't tell me you wouldn't be interested :D
It would be nice with cards like the GRE if you actually upped the memory clock or offered something regarding overclocking. The GRE has heaps of memory headroom and benefits greatly from clock increase!
Well done for this video. Just wondering if games like cyberpunk & ratchet use alot of performance when turn on rt. Maybe it will be better to try with mid rt settings.
Fabio from Ancient Gameplays did a piece on this, but with OC/UV - he basically redefined the Way it's done - like raising core voltage for better result. With the new way GRE becomes OC monster. About your video - I really like how you put raster and rt results in one place.
Nvidia is not worth it, unless you need CUDA support. So basically anything even remotely AI related, Nvidia is a must. Also for productivity. Then it's worth it. For pure 100% gaming, AMD is almost always better for the money.
Got a 7900gre oc version brandnew with normal warran4y ect from my retailer for 480$ and I live in switzerland where prices are insane and I love it. Getting 95fps in CP77 in 4k ultra settings without frame gen, only with amd upscaling
Do you think it'd be possible to add VR testing for something like iRacing? Quite difficult to get performance info especially considering the SPS setting for Nvidia GPUs, since AMD equivalent is only supported in DX12 afaik.
The problem with benchmarking the 7900GRE is it's bandwidth starved out of the box. It needs to be memory Oc'd to see its full potential. And then you'll get into endless arguments saying its not a fair match up.
yea well without manual tuning its basically a 7800xt. the 7900gre is really only interesting as a tinker gpu that needs manual tuning. thats where the value of the gpu is.
Then they should have released it that way. Which perfectly illustrates steve's comment that AMD can't afford to leave performance on the table at low market-share.
@@sgredsch it's been a while since I had the chance to mess with a GPU and get decent results. And with the radeon software per game profiles I get to set individual oc profiles for each game for maximum performance. Indeed I have been having more fun playing with the GPU settings than the actual games 😂.
What do you mean by "needs"? Every card can be overclocked, including 4070 Super. And it is even more constrained by it's mem bandwidth than GRE.
If a product NEEDS to be tinkered with, to work as it should.. THEN IS A BAD PRODUCT.
Then again, all cards can benefit from oc'ing, not just your precious AMD cards. So please, lower your fanboyism a notch, would you?
I got yesterday my 7900 GRE Pulse...the GPU is just a monster in terms of OC. 25 262 Timespy points. Since they open up the MEM OC the card is super interesting. Easy 4070 Ti Super performance possible. OFC this is not the standard. Super luck with my sample.
fr I managed to get my 7800xt running with mem clocks over 2750mhz and the uplift was crazy
Great vid!! I would still go with RTX. Ty for the deep dive.
I picked u a GRE to do a lot of testing on my channel. memory overlocking can REALLY make the GRE sing
12GB of 4070S is a big nono
Nvidia could make RTX 4070 Super much better if they make it with 256bit bus width and 16GB VRAM.
With 4000 series, Nvidia lost its touch with reality. 4060, 4060 ti 8/16, 4070(ti) just feel as a rip-off.
And RX 7900 GRE would be more compelling for $500.
I’m sorry but most people that buy these cards won’t be playing in 4k or using max settings, Evan if they are they’ll be using dlss anyway. In new games 12gb will not be a issue it’s very rare I use over 12gb on my 4090 at 4k 🤷♂️
@@exception6651 12GB is not enuf for frame generation, RTX, etc. Even for 1080P very high settings. Also, more VRAM is required for AI related stuff.
TODAY. And its definitely NOT-FUTUREPROOF.
@@vvhitevvizard_May i know what game required more than 12GB VRAM at 1080p? i own 4070ti. So far the game i've played never exceed 12GB VRAM at 1440p (i don't have 4K monitor). Even if memory usage exceed 12GB VRAM 4070ti is not capable to run most of the game in 4k anyway. The same apply to the 7900GRE. Even if the VRAM is sufficient it cant do 4K too.
The Nvidia rip-off started way before the 4000 series, just look how bad the RTX 2000 series was, it was basically the 1000 series with RT cores while increasing the price. 3000 and 4000 series are good in a vacuum, but they suffer from gimped memory configurations and overprice, most of the lineup at least.
@@vvhitevvizard_ then how the hell is 4070 Super outperforming the 7900GRE at 1440p and 4k with ray tracing????????????
it would be great to know if this 7900gre has the same problem of idle consumption (on fast monitor, multiple screens, ect..) as the 7900 xtx/xt
I managed to get a 4070 super for $569 a few days ago. I am very satisfied with it. Both cards are suitable, but because of DLSS and RT, it feels like a good decision for 1440P.
what about the power consumption ?
I would love a showcase for RT. So far I am not impressed. I still remember going from Half Life to Far Cry with beautiful DX9 water. To Crysis with beautiful shader effects and great dynamic shadows and foliage and huge levels. Those games were worth the asking price of a faster GPU so you could play on high.
These days I play Control on a 1080ti and 3080ti and... After a while I just turn of RT and run it at 4K where the 1080ti could do 1080P. Tried Cyberpunk at different quality levels and different RT levels. After a while I also turned those off because after playing a while I don't even know if RT is on or off. I have to check the settings or find an area where RT would make a difference.
You can't tell the reflection difference on the ground with RTX on and off with Cyberpunk? I agree with every example you gave (another old gamer) but RTX in cyberpunk, ESPECIALLY in the rain, is mind blowinging good looking and realistic.
@@tonymorris4335 yeah Cyberpunk is the only game where you can see a difference since the game is just literally neon lights and puddles.😅
@@tonymorris4335 When I am sight seeing to see what RT can do I can see it. But ask me after 30 minutes of gaming if I have been gaming with RT on or off... I would have to check my memory if I saw better reflections in puddles.
Go play Far Cry in DX8. Go play Crysis on low. You know that you have been gaming on a potato GPU.
A nice example would be the DX10 mode of Crysis. That gave smoke that didn't clip through the floor. Looks nice. But wasn't worth the performance hit so you turn it off and you forget whether smoke looks normal or fancy.
I watched a russian video about RT a while ago. The gist of it was that lights in most modern raster games are built with first implementing RT on a scene and then a person manually sets shadows and light sources (which is pain in the ass sometimes). Also that's the reason why we don't have good physics in games because there won't be a correct shadow representation on certain objects or it would take more gpu power than raytracing.
The reason for implementing real time RT is to cut time and costs of production and to get more correct lightning. So I think I'll be better in general when all GPUs can use RT at playable frame times.
@@antonvlasov6628 Yes. Most of those features are in Unreal engine 5 and run on non-RT hardware. But it is going to be great for gamemakers in 2030 when every GPU can do RT with performance.
Hey Steve, a much fairer assessment in the final thoughts than the previous "AMD has to be 20% cheaper" argument. Fair on VRAM, Ray Tracing and the pro's and con's of both.
As for the rest in my opinion: I still say the Adrenaline software suite is still a bit better than GFE (or whatever its called now), but DLSS is better than FSR. However, since both make your visual quality noticably softer and blurrier, i'd never use them either way. And FG is just terrible for both vendors. And as you said, ray tracing only really matters with the 4080/4090. This class of GPU's just isn't fast enough without upscaling. So you have slightly more accurate shadows, but a blurrier visual. Not really a selling point to me.
How is this a much more fair assessment when all you said was a bunch of opinions and things you prefer lol. Not everyone will want or prioritize the same things as you.
@@tomgreene5388 The first part of the comment is a remark to steve, then a new line starts, and it literally says: "IN MY OPINION". I did that specifically to prevent comments like these. But alas, bellcurve and everything. There is no way you can provide enough caveats for some room temp IQ's that failed basic reading skills.
I personally think, that it would be interesting to see how both GPUs are while being Overclocked, because I personally think that if you are willing to overclock it can be a strong selling point of the 7900 GRE, but I would still like to have more data on that. I mean we already have the 12 Game tests, which makes me think that. But 50 games and side by side with RT included sounds even more interesting to me
Great Video. I can think of 6 games that i think really benefit from RT: Control, Alan Wake 2, Cyberpunk, Ratchet and Clank, Dying Light 2, and Metro. In general, I think RT reflections can have a big visual impact. RT shadows are noticable, but underwhelming. RT GI is verry noticable, but very costly.
£600 for abysmal ray tracing performance is just not worth it. Paying a premium for a compromised experience is such a poor decision.
I would rather get the 7900 GRE and not enable Ray Tracing, instead of paying more just to say "I play with RT" at a low FPS.
i don't care about ray tracing but for upscaling DLSS is way better than FSR. if AMD somehow can match nvidia with their RX8000 series then im switching to AMD.
One important other thing is local Stable Diffusion. AMD just can't do it at an acceptable level.
I play RT on a 3060ti. Man I love 30 fps and stuttering from running out of vram, so fun!
@@raimishakir People pretending how Nvidia is selling mist never ceases to amaze me. They have proven time and again that their software is superior. Just because their rasterized performance sometimes is slower(by a small margin than AMD counterparts), doesn't mean that they don't have an overall well-balanced product.
ehm 1440p dlss quality 60+ fps with everything maxed including ray tracing is a compromised experience? LOL
I still don't get why people buy Nvidia over AMD to this day when it has shown Nvidia offers less VRAM than AMD and VRAM is the most important thing moving forward. You can say how much DLSS means to you but Nvidia locks their latest tech to the latest Gen. So DLSS 4.0 isn't coming to Lovelace like how 3.0 didn't come to Ampere.
Many reasons.. some good and some not so good reasons. For me it's that I don't just game with my GPU's.. I use it for motion graphics and Octane rendering. Also a lot of us make money with our GPU's so point in fact I picked up a 4080 super on launch day for $999 and it's already paid for itself. Simply put, I have no use for an AMD card.
They played the amd lottery and lost i can say this as a current 6700xt having nothing but issues
@@timotmon ohhh yeah you have a reason to have Nvidia, I do 3D rendering too that's why I switched from my 6900XT to a 4090 but alot of people are just gamers or streamers. People don't know that AMD streaming software is the best on the market even better than OBS. Relive does everything you need for streaming and recording.
@@puregaming7255 what are your issues?
@@Anukinihun constant black screen tried new dp cable hdmi cable fresh os install. ddu several times Went from am4 platform to a intel drr5 still same issue even replaced psu still cant stop black screen
If the new FSR really gets 80-90% of the way there compared to DLSS, the GRE is a no-brainer. You'll only be really upscaling to 4K where the better samples mitigate its issues, maybe to 1440p just to save energy. If it doesn't I'm slightly inclined towards the GRE.
Was about to complain power consumption was not even mentioned in the video, glad i watched it till the end before i did! Still think power consumption would have been nice to have an index in the timebar. I don't think 13% less power consumption for equal performance is negligible, but to each their own.
Maybe before doing a deep dive on the value of ray tracing it would be agood idea to do a deep dive on 1080p native vs. 1440p upscaled first? Because if you can only play 1440p+raytracing when using upscaling, maybe it would be good to know about those tradeoffs first? I do not just mean fps vs fidelity...there is so much more going on for 1080p vs 1440p...a native 1080p display will be cheaper AND smaller, which means you need to sit a bit closer to your display to get equal FOV with your human eyes etc etc...i would really love to hear the thoughts of gamers who have access to the best displays for both resolutions.
I can't see myself spending $600+ on a 192-bit bus card, this memory configuration used to belong on 60 class cards.
If you can spend 600+, you can spend 800, you can spend 1000 too. Some people smoke a 4090 or two in a year and winge how their products are too expensive.
Even spending 500$ for an AMD product doesn't seem worth it when we're not getting a generational (30%) uplift over the 6800XT
I can't see myself spending $600+ on a card that aside raster gaming is totally useless
@@DeFroOOhonestly, gaming aside from "raster gaming" is pointless
And on the GTX 760 you have a 256-bit bus....So nvidia cut down the bus on the GTX 960, which is only 9% faster than the GTX 760...with a 256-bit bus, however it would have been around 15-20% faster.