7900 GRE vs 4070 Super: The Ultimate Comparison!!!
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This RX 7900 GRE review puts it head to head against the slightly more expensive RTX 4070 Super from Nvidia. Let's test them out in the latest games, using the latest features, and see which one is right for you!
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Chapters:
0:00 The 7900 GRE does well vs its direct MSRP competitor RTX 4070
0:26 But the 4070 Super only costs a little bit more
1:19 Sell your old GPU to fund your upgrade at Jawa!
2:30 I'm tiny
2:42 RoboCop 1080p Epic
3:07 RoboCop 1440p Epic
3:35 RoboCop 4K EPic
4:02 RoboCop 4K Epic DLSS/FSR Q (FG on/off)
4:28 When performance is similar, features like DLSS can become the differentiator
5:40 In UE5 games, consider using TSR instead of FSR for upscaling on AMD hardware
6:06 Alan Wake 2 High
6:34 Alan Wake 2 High with RT Low (DLSS/FSR Q, FG on/off)
7:02 Alan Wake 2 high with RT High DLSS/FSR Q, FG on/off
7:10 4070 Super gets big win with heavy RT, would you use these settings?
8:40 Alan Wake 2 4K High
9:02 Alan Wake 2 4K High DLSS/FSR Q (FG on/off)
9:29 Cyberpunk 2077 1080p Ultra
9:56 Cyberpunk 2077 1440p Ultra
10:23 Cyberpunk 2077 4K Ultra
10:50 Cyberpunk 2077 4K High
11:17 Cyberpunk 2077 4K High FSR/DLSS Q
11:45 Cyberpunk 2077 1440p RT Overdrive DLSS/FSR Q (FG on/off)
11:57 Again a big win at heavy RT, so let's think about if it is useable
13:29 Cyberpunk 2077 1440p Ultra with RT Reflections
13:53 Cyberpunk 2077 1440p Ultra with RT Reflections DLSS/FSR Q (FG on/off)
14:20 Starfield 1080p Ultra
14:47 Starfield 1440p Ultra
15:14 Starfield 4K Ultra, my forehead says 4K, I promise
15:42 Starfield 4K Ultra DLSS/FSR Q
16:09 DLSS 3 FG vs FSR 3 FG (Starfield 4K Ultra, Quality upscaling)
17:54 Starfield 4K Ultra FSR 3 Q with FG
18:22 Avatar 1080p Ultra
18:48 Avatar 1440p Ultra
19:15 Avatar 1440p Ultra DLSS/FSR Q
19:43 Avatar 1440p Ultra FSR 3 Q with FG
20:10 Avatar 1440p High
20:39 Avatar 4K Ultra
21:04 Avatar 4K High
21:32 Avatar 4k High DLSS/FSR Q
21:59 Avatar 4K High FSR 3 Q with FG
22:26 CoD MW3 1080p Basic
22:53 CoD MW3 1440p Basic
23:21 CoD MW3 4K Basic
23:48 Baldur's Gate 3 1440p Ultra
24:15 Baldur's Gate 3 4K Ultra
24:43 Ratchet and Clank 1440p Very High
25:10 Ratchet and Clank 4K Very High
25:37 Ratchet and Clank 1440p Very High with RT High
25:51 16GB VRAM vs 12GB VRAM- why AMD is winning at RT in this game
28:03 Does DLSS solve the VRAM issue? (Ratchet and Clank 1440p RT High DLSS/FSR Q)
29:16 Resident Evil 4 1080p Max
29:44 Resident Evil 4 1080p Prioritize Graphics
30:10 Resident Evil 4 1440p Max
30:38 Resident Evil 4 1440p Prioritize Graphics
31:05 Resident Evil 4 4K Max
31:32 Resident Evil 4 4K Prioritize Graphics
32:00 Final Thoughts- is the 4070 Super worth an extra $50?
37:00 Thanks! - Věda a technologie
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I notice that Daniel added "(UE5)" in front of "RoboCop: Rogue City" after a commenter on a video a few days ago suggested some kind of indication of which games use UE5, since it's an important engine for the future. Credit to Daniel for reading the comments and acting on a suggestion. 👍
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He listened to his students and incorporated their feedback into future content promptly.
@@jonboy602 Students know best.
That comment was actually made by the UE5 AI bot
It was clever self-promotion of the UE5 engine, ensuring that additional copies of the UE5 AI bot will run in the future
More UE5 AI bots means they will find more ways to create more UE5 AI bots, and they will multiply out of control
By the time you read this message, it may already be too late
Guys, Before buying a 12 gb Vram gpu in 2024 just remember people who bought 3070 ti with 8 gh vram just few years ago.
my favorite is people sick of 10GB 3080's buing 4070's XD
@@boffifis1wait... I'm about to go 4070S to further downsize my ITX build. 😂
I wouldn't go lower than 16 gb vram. Games use more and more. Hardware Unboxed also recommends 16gb.
@@clinten3131only leaning on 4070S because they are in stock and I can offload it quickly when the 5090 drops. Don't feel like committing to a 4090 at $2k for give or take 5mos.
@@vizcatis the 5090 supposed to be cheaper?
7900GRE is the best card this generation by MSRP
so is the 7800xt at 459 bucks
I love the authenticity of Daniel’s videos with the kids in the background being kids and Daniel trying to do professional videos for us 🥰😇👍. Never stop being you Daniel or let the kids deter you from doing these videos. The videos feel more like an at home CZcamsr / Streamer and less clinical and offical….. I personally love this video format as it is🥳👍
nah
Kids being kids in the backround gives the videos some personal/ homey flavor
That's how we roll here.
is he a dad?
@@thefurmidablecatlucky3 I think 2 daughters he has so he is not just a dad, he is a lucky dad :)
You really kill it with these videos man! Nobody brings the important context to these comparison videos like u. Super helpful, thank u!
Me planning a build: Hmm, I have a 1080p widescreen and might go up to 1440 one day….I like the 6750xt but for 30 more I could get the rx 6800, well if I get the 6800 for only 50 more I could get the 7700xt. If I get the 7700xt for only 50 more I could get the 7800xt. Well I could get that but for only 50 more I could get the 7900 GRE. If I get that I’m only a bit shy of a 4070…..wait how am I suddenly way over budget lol
ahahah bro, exactly in the same boat as you. 50 > 50 > 50 it seems like a nominal difference but it really adds up at the end. Where im at a palit base model 4070 costs the same as a saphire nitro+ 7900 GRE. The nitro+ is an insane card so might aswell just get that..
Thanks, Daniel. I have no idea how you manage to put these comprehensive videos together so quickly, but I'm very glad you do. This one is much tougher than the 4070 regular vs GRE matchup. If you can find the time, I would be grateful if you could compare the GRE against the 6950 XT to quell some lingering questions and doubts. Do it for posterity! 😅
Just watch GN or HUB
It's evident how hard you work, much appreciated. I already have a high end graphics card so not even shopping for one but I really love your content!
If the 4070 super had 16GB it would be a winner.
I'd mainly buy it over a 7800xt or 7900GRE for ray tracing and I'm way more concerned about 12GB becoming a problem when ray tracing is on than for raster.
Maybe next gen will have a 500 dollar 16GB 8800XT with better ray tracing or a 600 dollar 16Gb 5070
I would had bought 4070 Super if that happened. But yeah RX 8800 XT(or RDNA 4's strongest gpu) and RTX 5070 are the only gpus I would look forward to for next gen.
Is ray tracing on a 4070 super playable at 1440p. If not, the AMD cards win.
@@darrenmoore-mj2zqMainly if you use DLSS.
@@darrenmoore-mj2zq Given the results Daniel provides, it looks like neither card is usable with heavy ray tracing and both seem marginal in moderate ray tracing
Neither card has one percent lows that are consistently above the 60 FPS that I prefer when playing with ray tracing.
The fact that Daniel found that 12GB vs 16GB is already affecting the 4070S in Ratchet and Clank at 1440p/very high/RT high is another big red flag for me.
Go with the ti super then, the thing is it it like 500 more dollars for that extra 4 vram
Gotta love some tiny Daniel 😁
Great video mate. Always full of good info that people can actually use
I'm tiny now cool...
I love that one🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Had Nvidia given 16GB with 4070Super, they would have launched a winner
Would be still overpriced
@@lifemocker85bro 😂😂😂
yet everyone out there buys NVIDIA vs AMD 5:1 , guess who's out of GPU business after next gen
@@NeverSettleForMediocrity jewtel
They did, but they called it a ti super and charging $200 more lol
Bless you sir. This is the comparison I've been hoping for.
Great review! Thx Daniel!
thinking hard about a new gpu for my amd, not sure to buy now or wait for the 8000 series and battlemage to come out and i;m in no rush since i game mostly on my other comp
There were some articles that stated that the OC is bugged at the moment on GRE models. So that could improve even more whenever they fix the problem.
Funny to find you here haha. Love what you do for Ren. 🙏🏽
@@LorenzoFrausto I have other interests too. Haha. :D
Putting in some solid work DO. Another nice comparison
How do these two stack up now with the driver update though?
Thanks Daniel, another great comparison
Would 50 series finally be the generation where a 1440p/1080p card could be used for 1440p/1080p gaming with Ray tracing without seeing much frame drops?
The 4070 super doesn’t have 16 gigs of memory because the nvidiots at nvidia won’t have anything left to stick it to everyone in the rear next generation. Nvidia is one of the top companies in the s&p 500 next to Apple and Amazon and they didn’t get there by being an ethical company. $500 is more than one of these highest end cards should cost
Would you include the new update for Lords of the fallen (v1.1.560) in the upcoming videos? theyve focused alot on the performance in this update, and would be fun to see how its doing now ^^ Love the videos as always
Hardware unboxed just got heat for reviewing stock cards vs OC and the hellhound is probably the best OC card. Your Super a Gigabyte Aorus Master?
Do you think that asus will release their version of 7900 gre in following weeks ?
I think it needs to be asked whether most people can tell the diference between 40 ms latency and 60 ms latency though. Percent wise it sounds like a big jump, but can you FEEL it? If not, 20ms more isn't a big deal.
hat same 2060 has been in your pcpartpicker search results forever lol. Is it in your wish list or something?
Any chance we could see Dying light 2 and Metro Exodus in the testing im really curious what the GRE gets with RT maxed out
Any idea when the 7900 GRE Red Devil will be released? This is my first time waiting for a specific model to come out so im not sure if its normal to wait awhile or not or what it was like previously for the 7800 xt red devil's release for example.
Get the Hellhound. just make sure to support it at the end.
@@BlackJesus8463 I think the hellhound looks boring (just my opinion) so I've been waiting for the red devil since I like its design a lot.
i would go for the 7900 xt in that case, it was at 670$ at the lowest not long ago a pulse or hellhound model i think, a red devil 7900 gre is probably gonna be close to a 600$, gap in price start to be small imo to justify bying the gr, and a 7900 xt can overclock to a 4080 in raster.
@@jinnzoln9063 Ive asked a shop and they said they expect in a couple of weeks.
for AMD are u using AFMF? coz for rtx u activate FG
How u did get off stutters from 7900gre? i have stutters in every game i play. I might return this gpu and buy 4070s. I bought 7900gre bcoz of vram to be more future proof
Did you fix this? It's my main concern
@@nickh3279 Yes I did. I have 5600x cpu and I did disabled c-states from bios and if u run windows 10 then you can disable AMD ftpm. Those were my solutions. Afterwards I did upgrade to win 11 and had to put back that ftpm but it haven't give me stutters.
Hellhound also use custom pcb, like 7800xt with extra power phase and higher TGP than ref. models. With that epic cooler and only slight price premium over ref. it best bang for buck model. It sucks they used slower vram chips that dont like overclocking.
Hello daniel, hardware unboxed said in the latest version of their GRE review that AMD is fixing the limited overclocking ability of the card. could I ask you if that is worth looking into please?
It's worth a boycott. 7900XT should have been the 7800XT the whole time, dont buy the bs
@@BlackJesus8463 hurr durr
I would recommend not to buy until that is a reality. Many reviews of the 6800 mentioned that for the time being it isn't possible to increase voltage (it is basically undervolted from factory). I own a 6800, to this day it is artificially nerfed.
It's probable that 7900 GRE OC status isn't a bug, but intended, and AMD is just considering changing their mind (or a deception to drive sale)
@@ziokalco i'm personally gonna wait for blackwell/rdna 4. im just curious to see how far the GRE can go
@@BOPBOPBOPBOPBOPBOPOB probably the best option if you can still play what you want to play
Any chance of doing a video comparing windows HDR vs RTX HDR vs no HDR?
Kinda wild theres a 16gb 4060ti but not any 16gb 4070
Not really, as I understand it the GPU chip the 4070 uses can't have 16Gb memory. That's why the 4070 Ti Super that has 16Gb uses the same GPU chip as the 4080. Maybe the 4070 could have 24Gb, double the VRAM like they doubled it on the 4060 Ti. But nVidia charged $100 more for 8Gb more RAM so I guess a 4070 with 24Gb would cost $750. Who would buy that?
@@atnfn their is nothing stopping it from using 16 GB they would just have to change the memory bus which can be changed.
they did the same with the 3060 back in the day, why is so surprising.
@@hamster_master Yes and that's the 4070 Ti Super
@@atnfn bruh no. if you look on tech powerup they had like 2 other versions of the gtx 1060 planned with 8 gigs of GDDR5X and 5 gigs of DDR5 memory that never released, as well a 10gig and 12 gig 1080ti that they never released. for the rtx 20 series they created a rtx 2080 ti 12 gig that they never released. they can realistically put almost any amount of vram if they wanedt to. why do think people are modding 2080 Tis to have 22gigs of vram?
Overclocked 4070 super.
Cyberpunk 4k ultra - 41fps (37 in video) now only a 7% lead, not 19%.
Cyberpunk 1440p ultra - 102 fps (88 in video) now a 0% lead.
The overclock can be quite substantial on the 4070 super.
And while I know you can also overclock the 7900 GRE.
From personal experience I know the GRE is a very unstable card when it comes to overclocking.
Givin the nature of how they overclock. REquiring you to undervolt.
And unlike Nvidia, when the card crashes, the entire system does.
Also, not all GRE models can overclock really well memory wise, in fact most of them can barely reach stable 2400mhz because they use the SAMSUNG memory.
The HYNIX memory 7900 gres can reach the 2550-2600mhz memory speeds.
I had the samsung GRE, net fps was around 4-5 fps on average, there was no 15fps increase.
Concidering the 4070 super beats the GRE in allot of titles default, and can get close to matching the GRE in titles it doesn't with the stable overclock.
And it does this at 100 watts less, I have to say the 4070 super is superior. Along with DLSS which nearly doubles your FPS with nearly zero visual loss.
12gb of Vram? it's never an issue, if it is? turn down shadows from ultra to high and there you go.
From my experience having had a 7900 xt, 7900 GRE, and now the 4070 super. I can tell you the experience is night and day in terms of stability.
As I play a large cache of games, I was able to really test just how stable a product is. Not just the 1-3 games you're playing that "never crash"
The GRE cards everyone is testing are the models that retail for like $580. The MSRP cards suffer pretty hard on cooling and clocks. AMD will release a new BIOS they seem to claim that unlocks all the limitations on these cards, but cooling will be trouble.
They use the same cooler as the 7900XT which doesn't have cooling uses so why with 70w less would the GRE have issues?
@@Jasontvnd9 one reason is that they still power limit the card to 260w, and it'll only be like 4-5% faster than a 7800xt when limited to that. 2nd reason is from what I've seen a lot of the cheap models like the Asrock Challenger actually uses 7800xt cooler. This channel itself reported that AMD can mount the 7900 GRE die to a 7800xt board. To the 7800xt substrate. The reference GRE from what I've heard reviewers say, actually is smaller than the 7900xt cooler as well. It looks similar, but it is smaller. Can't remember if it was hardware unboxed who showed that.
@@eugkra33i have reference 7900GRE and it's doing fine - stock 88c hotspot max and 75 core with fans at 1300-1500rpm . Undervolted and overclocked memory to 2316mhz still better than stock performance but at 225w :D
I have a RTX2080ti in my main system now and am thinking about upgrading to either a 4070 super or 7900GRE. It is hard but I think the 7900GRE gives me more bucks for the money as I don't really miss Ray-Tracing and mostly never used it on my 2080ti.
I agree that the cards are very close. I'm tempted to get the GRE for a reason you didn't mention. It consistently runs 15 degrees cooler than the 4070 Super, despite the fact that it uses 270 Watts, while the Super is only 220 Watts. That's a credit to Power Color and their Hellhound design. Is there a 4070 Super card that runs cool that I should look at?
3 fan cards should be fine. I would recommend Gigabyte gaming / aero or MSI Gaming. Ignore ASUS (overpriced). Check some thermal benchmarks but tbh i find it hard to believe that best GRE cards would run colder than best 4070s cards.
@@contris1 Nowhere does he mention which 4070 Super card he is using, or if he did, I missed it. I went back and watched the comparison to the base 4070, and there he compared to the Founder's Edition. If this 4070 Super is also the Founder's Edition, that would explain the temperature difference. According to data I found somewhere, the FE runs with a max temp of 69, and a hot spot of 83, while the Gigabyte Gaming edition runs at 58 degrees with a hot spot of 71. That's about the same temperature difference as between the 4070S and the GRE in the review above. The Gigabyte Aero was even better, at 56.4 and a hot spot of 66.1, the lowest of any 4070 Super that I have seen. Good recommendations, so thank you.
@@carlr2837 np. I did some research as i wanted to buy 4070s but unfortunately my PSU doesnt have two 8Pins just 1x6 and 1x8 :/
You should try RTX Audio noise cancellation for the background noise.
Shitty thing. Just install rnnoise. I use rtx voice in Nvidia broadcast for 1.5 year, and they really bad sometimes(Nvidia broadcast eat 1.3gb of ram lmao) but rnnoise with equalizer apo work fine all time on all mics
The new GRE driver would surprise you as well as a moderate VRAM overclock.
Personally I'd go for the GRE. I care more about the extra VRAM and slightly better raster. I don't wanna use RT if it means having to drop the res to get a good framerate. And in a lot of games it's not a good enough of an effect to warrant losing that perf.
I do have a 7800XT coming in 2 day's i got The Last Of Us working in Linux and my hope is that this card will work the 4070 ti i have works great but AMD being open source is why this will work even better i hope.
Wow, up to 178k subs now!
I wish there was a bench mark for 4k in Cyberpunk with ultra and high settings and the back off RT settings to RT reflections and DLSS. Hopefully in future benchmarks those are included with these and the 4070 ti super and 4080 super class cards.
Daniel, i just want to ask what if the 4070 SUPER is cheaper by $100 than the 7900 GRE in my country? what should i pick? i hope you notice this.
At those prices I'd personally take the 4070 Super.
@@danielowentech Thanks man! I appreciate your reply.
hello daniel kindly also benchmark DLSS/FSR balanced . DLSS balanced image quaility is also very good . Thanks for ur video .
What is happening at 22:12? Why is the shadows so different on the two GPUs? Also I noticed on all the runs of Avatar that there is a sort of pop-in on the nVidia where suddenly the shadows go a quality level up which I find quite jarring and would definitely prefer to just keep the low quality for the sake of immersion.
I wouldn't put that on the cards. That seems more like video capture.
I mainly use my gaming laptop for sim racing, which doesn't need crazy graphics, but rather as many fos as possible. I'm planning my next step in computer hardware and i'm going to build a desktop PC. The GRE fits quite well with what i want to do (no ray tracing needed and big screen)
“If you didn’t get the kill, you need to increase your skill.” I felt that. Great video!
14:47 This is confusing ... In Daniel's test the 4070s is below the 7900GRE but in hardware unboxed test the 4070s is above both the 7900gre reference and the nitro + ...
It's not confusing atall tmdaniel is posting the results he's getting...just because it doesn't match what another reviewer gets is irrelevent.
HWU's testing has been garbage for years.
I have seen many reviews on many cards. Why does no one ever test VR. Did all the reviews forget about it?
The Hellhound has such a good cooler for the money.
For ~50 USD more (4070S) you also have less energy consumption (~50-60W / ~22-28%), which slightly relatives the 50 USD more per year, Video Resolution upscaling, Video SDR to HDR upscaling, besides the better gaming quality while having a similiar performance.
*Energy consumption example:* if you play 4 hours a day with 15ct/kwh and 400W you pay 87.60 USD (0.001x0.15x365x400Wx4hrs). If you play 4 hours a day with 50W less you pay 76.65 USD a year (-10.95 USD). If you play 8 hours a day it's already 175.20 USD a year vs. 153.30 USD (-21.90 USD). I don't know how much kwh actually is in the USA so I took 15ct/kwh cos it should be way less than in Germany for example (~20kwh new customer to ~42kwh old customer). If you pay more you can easily save 50 USD and way more per year by just investing the 50 USD into the 4070S - also take into mind that the 7900GRE often uses more than 50W more than the 4070S like you can see in the video *(up to 100W more!).*
more watts also means more heat being created.
@@contris1 good for the feet under the desk in the winter :))
I'll gladly accept the increased power draw and slightly worse upscaling and ray tracing of the 7900 GRE in order to get 4 extra GB of VRAM and better overall pure rasterization performance, while saving $50 off the hop. NVidia majorly F'd up by only including 12 GB of VRAM in a card at this price point. I'm not buying into NVidia's snake oil of frame gen, and ray tracing is just whatever.
Amd - afmf
Bro energy consumption lol. It's more important to have more vram
Thank you for this great comparison.
IMO the 4070s is better than 7900gre for several reasons:
1- In most games The 4070s consumes around 100W less than the 7900gre while the difference in performance is small and not worth the extra wattage (Electricity bills and GPU life longevity is very important).
2- DLSS is better than FSR, and you can run both in NVIDIA GPUs unlike AMD GPUs that's bound only to FSR
3- (and this is the important reason) the 4070s is only 50$ more than the 7900gre, so it's not that appealing and the 7900gre has to be around 500$ or less to be a better choice.
4- The 4070s is also better for Productivity and streaming.
Great points but I want to counter them
1) Undervolting exists and honestly if you're building a 1500$ pc a little higher electricity bill shouldn't be a problem
2) Can't argue, dlss is king. Just hope amd also come up with something similar, given the fact they have AI cores in the 7000 series
3) 4070S is 50$ more expensive for weaker raster and less vram, so ray tracing and frame gen features might be unusable in the future as seen in ratchet and clank
4) Also a pretty good point but I guess for gaming only builds 7900GRE is a better choice
I genuinely can't conclude whether upgrading from a 3070 to a 7900GRE (taking RT and DLSS into account) would actually feel like a worthwhile upgrade or not. 4K is my goal, albeit I'm ok with DLSS Quality Mode upscaling where necessary, and I'm just not sure about the GRE...whereas the next series of cards are likely to be on the market within 12 months, so will that lead to buyers remorse combined with not feeling that £500 offered sufficient upgrade over 3070? Then again maybe the GRE would be an absolute champion and in non-RT gaming @ 4k it delivers a great experience? Or should a 4070 Super be the choice? I'm just glad 'choice' is applicable nowadays....without being hampered by the most insane 2020-style price gouging!
I think both of these cards need another 50 to 100 off to make sense when we're at the tail end of a generation. Sinking 600 into a 12gb vram card even for 1440p gaming would feel bad in a year or two. Imagine when you have to turn down shaders because of stutters and not because the card isn't fast enough to run at 1440p. It's going to be the rx 580 4gb vs the rx580 8gb all over again. I don't think anyone can go wrong picking either cards if they go on sale however.
I would pick the card with the best raster performance every time.
im all about raw performance and no fake frames. so i think the 7900 GRE is my next gpu.
cheaper and more vram.
Hi, question. Will a H510M H V2 mother board + i7 11700f + 650w Power supply, pair fine with a 4070 super? Thanks in advance
Upgrade cpu
@@ShadarThePcBuilder Thanks, for the useless reply. I think your mom is calling you, better hurry. Anyone else with a brain feel free to give an opinion :) thanks
yes
@@inabstract imagine asking for help and getting made for getting help.
650 watt is the minimum requirement so you should be fine. Outervision has a good PSU calculator if you ever want to get an idea of the power your system needs. You can Google it.
I have tested both FSR and DLSS also FG and haven't noticed a bad increase in latency with any configuration in the 35ish+ FPS range as long as the 1% lows aren't far behind.
I know some are sensitive, but I cannot notice but a miniscule difference for the life of me.
Granted, from 30ish FPS and below, I notice it increases DRASTICALLY.
Overall, I'd go with the Super. Especially with the workloads I do on top of the gaming features I use.
Of course the _type_ of game heavily matters. If it's a driving game or something playable with a controller I think frame generation gets a bad rap and is very usable, but it's _very_ noticeably sluggish on any kind of mouse controlled game where you're whipping the camera around. Problem there is those are the games where FPS is _most_ important so FG just ends up being a visually appealing feature in slow paced games.
something that always bugs me is your 7800x3d only clocking at 4.7Ghz~4.9Ghz, you should enable PBO and do a curve optimizer of negative 30 magnitude. it would boost to 5.25Ghz~5.35Ghz which in the 7800x3D will give you mooaaarr FPS
Honestly, the 4070S is kind of ass for ray tracing capability. I feel like you really have to shell out for the 4080 models to get a more comfortable native performance, but those prices are insane. If you're big into RT, and can be patient, I'd honestly just wait. I don't care all that much, personally, and bought a 7900 XT Pulse, since $1000 seems way too steep for a GPU to run at 1440p. Let's just hope that AMD pushes better RT capability, or Nvidia gives a better Price : Performance offering next generation, because they've definitely been very unattractive in that regard.
I'll be rocking my 6800XT for the foreseeable future but still watch these to keep up with current HW
How much vram do actually use though? I bet most people could get by with 12GB for years just playing on high instead of ultra and they don't even look that different.
6800xt 3080 still have no upgrade path just overpriced 4090....
In my case, below 8gb for competitive fps and 10gb-14gb for modded solo rpg... @@BlackJesus8463
The only sensible upgrade are xtx /4080 and up
@@BlackJesus8463 people who play at 4k...
Dude, the wattage difference is freaking insane!
It's a whole tier higher!
Just something for folks to remember depending on the area they live!
Typical nvidia fan..always bringing something when they get smashed. Where you were when 6000 series destroyed nvidia 30 in power draw last year ?
@@arbernuka3679to add to that I think RX 7000 reports board power and RTX 40 gpu reports core power
@@arbernuka3679 there are only 2 smashes on this comparision rt perf and wattage in 4070s favor, in the rest they are similar. Well the vram is the only smash the 7900 gre has
@@arbernuka3679 Yea and? It is not like everyone mentioned lol, since now nvidia has better efficiency people can acknowledge that, but going by your logic if you do that then you are a nvidia fan. Amd fanboys conveniently forget main selling points of their card last gen because it doesn't benefit them anymore.
Ironically says the guy that brings up something coz he got smashed without realising what he just said ffs. I know from that comment that you have zero idea why 6000 series had lower power draw and perceived performance improvement compared to 30 series............................................ I'll give you a minute or two so you can get your brain ready......................................................................................ya ready?????????????????????????????
I'll give you a couple of clues, easy ones I promise.
Apple or ...... phone?
The number associated with a hit eminem song?
A metric measurement of atomic proportions?
Rhymes with Load?
When you figure that part out ill happily explain the significance to the answer to you if reality is something you struggle with?
Don't be afraid to sing out if you get stuck at any stage, I got you homie;) @@arbernuka3679
So 4070 super uses 8gb vram on cyberpunk on 4k ultra?? 😮😮
a 4070 Ti Super for a roughly 650-750$ would be a market winner here...
Hopefully AMD will improve on their Ray Accelerators with RX 8000 series. But considering how they've focused less on RT and more on Rasterization, I'm still impressed with the performance. Nvidia had 2nd gen with 30 series before AMD responded, so I almost always expect their RT to be superior for now.
Nobody cares about rt
What do you think is worth it with this price difference? They are from the Italian market
€600 4070 Super
€730 4070 Ti
€840 4070 Ti super
€750 7900XT Impulse
€560 7900 gree
2:40 me when I have a dream of a memory from my childhood
Can someone explain why AMD mem frequency is much lower than Nvidia. 2000mhz vs 10000mhz. Look at the mem frequency for each. I understand AMD has a lower frequency but I doubt it's that large of a difference. Watch the video and look at rivatuner numbers.
Software is reading em wrong
@@lifemocker85 So I am right in saying something seemed off. Wonder if it's an AMD issue or Rivatuner issue? Every video I watch is the same
Did anyone else noticed how Nvidia is using way more ram in games like Ratched & Clank? Some viwers pointed out this difference in archtecture before and I am paying more attention to these things now.
Its using noticeably more system ram on Ratchet and Clank because of the vram buffer spilling over.
I think, Daniel explains this quite well at 25:54 and onwards. Basically RTX4070 Super is at VRAM deficit on higher settings in this game, so it uses more RAM to store content instead of VRAM, which in turn makes everything work slower, even with Nvidia's RT advantage.
Watch the 4070 super vs 4070 ti super video and pay attention to the RAM. Every time the RAM usage is higher on the 4070 Super, it means it ran out of vram. It happens in other games besides Ratchet & Clank.
Most mid shelf and below dGPU are near or at P@C and going lower all through the summer, CPUs too top to bottom shelf. The channel is clearing everything just wait into summer and pick all these products up cheap. mb
I don't know if it's something to do with jittery frame presentation, but FSR3 frame gen feels more like motion blur than fake frames in my experience. RDNA4 is said to improve on AI fronts, so I hope to see AMD focusing more on the quality aspects.
AMD has so many frames you don't need fake frames.
Because thats what it pretty much is. Frame gen adds frames to make the image look more fluid
@@BlackJesus8463yes, with 5 more fps you realy don't need fake frames 😅😅😅
@@12coco100 Nvidia's DLSS 3 looks better, it does NOT blur when done properly frame generation creates MORE motion clarity, not LESS. Motion blur isn't motion clarity.
It's already been established by the major tech reviewers that the generated frames between fsr3 and DLSS3 are comparable ... Maybe a slight quality edge to fsr3. Upscaling quality is a different matter and DLSS still has an advantage there.
what the different between GRE and XT ?
GRE used to be exclusive to China and they're using worse chips with more power and clock speed restrictions. The XT is the better of the two.
Biggest difference is memory bandwidth.
GRE is the cut down version with less VRAM, bandwidth, cores, core and memory clocks. It's basically what chips that failed to be XT chips are turned into.
Rx7900gre has 60 CUs and XT has 80 CUs , mem 20gbps vs 18gbps , rx7900xt is still 20% faster .
What a times, when gaming and selecting proper graphics settings is getting out of hands and you have to spend some time to select proper setup, play with latency reducing features, frame generation, upscaling, ray tracing... Where is gaming in it?
Both make great cards for various consumers but I dont dare to buy Nvidia mid to highrange card.. the 12vhpwr makes me restless lol
13:06 As someone who played the OG Cyberpunk 2077 with an RTX 3080 10GB at 1440p DLSS Quality and Ray Tracing on HIGH! I was happy to play the original game with the fps I got and with the 4070 Super being a fraction faster generally at around 50fps I’m happy to play most single player titles at these settings with around 50fps.
Although I’m fortunate to have a. RTX 4090 for production and gaming now … I still use my RTX 3080 10GB for many other gaming sessions still. Unless I need the 4090 for new UE5 titles at 4k resolution with many / Al, bells and whistles activated.
Also I play at 1440p ultrawide with my RTX 3080
Debating on this card as a temp card to replace my 3080, until the 5090 drops.
In such a video i would've liked to see medium settings 4k cp2077
He never does medium. but at this point I'm pretty sure upscaling ultra is just as good. if not better! ✌
this would stress the cpu more and less gpu
I can't get past the extra 4GB of VRAM for $50 less at the same raster performance. I'm upgrading next month, and it's one of these two cards and I can't make a decision, but I'm leaning towards the GRE. The 60W less average power us is a big one for me though, I like cool and quiet.
Temps and noise aren't a problem, at least not on the Sapphire and Powercolor models, they have very good cooler designs. Both are AMDs best board partners in my opinion. As for the power consumption, I undervolted mine and it's worth it.
@@Ashitaka0815 I got the Hellhound, and yeah, it's the best cooler I've ever had on a GPU, the fans stop spinning like 30 seconds after I stop playing a game, and it's amazingly quiet. It came vanilla at 290W peak board power, and right now I'm running it undervolted at 265W peak board power, but still getting an extra 8% performance out of it according to synthetic benchmarks, which from HUB and Techpowerups testing, seems to translate to about that much extra frame in a lot of games. I'm happy with the GRE, it exceeded my expectations.
The one thing about the Sapphire models is that they use the SK Hynix VRAM modules instead of the Samsung, and folks have had a lot more luck pushing the speeds on those. I can get a stable 19Gb/s effective out of the Hellhound GDDR6, which puts it at 610GB/s bandwidth, so I'm happy with that, the performance returns seem to diminish as you go up with the VRAM thanks to the bus width of 256, but extra core clocks does seem to have good returns, given how much of the Navi 31 chip render hardware is still active on the GRE. The 80 RT cores do seem to help with whatever light RT I need to do, it runs Exodus Enhanced Ultra at 70fps, so there's that.
There's also an image quality and compatibility advantage for the 4070s.
DLSS is such a nice and useful feature to have. I came from a 6700 10GB and upgraded to a 4070 Super and i can tell you the difference between FSR and DLSS is like night and day.
the tech will get even better too. all of this is still "relatively" new. in 5-10 years from now wattage use will be at a minimum hopefully while performance continues to thoroughly increase
Software tricks aint performance
@@lifemocker85 I used to say the same thing until I tried it. Now I use it all the time.
@@lifemocker85 better code = better optimisation = better performance without increasing hardware load. read a book or two... maybe you could learn something
@@ChudMuffin69 insufficient vram cannot handle increased demands when graphics are getting better
Both are comparable in pure power, however the 4070 super has superior resolution upscaling and frame gen tech.
from this comparison, it is obvious that NVIDIA is a better choice. the fps difference is slight no matter who wins, the RT is huge difference, and AI is totally yes/no differnce.And we are not even talking about power consumption yet. the price difference is not that big.
had they made the 7900gre $500 and kept that $100 price gap vs nvidia, it would have been a win. at $550, it's not really a win like the 7800xt was vs the 4070 last year. AIB models here in Canada like the hellhound ($900+) are also a lot more expensive than the 4070s. Instead, the 7900xt should have been lowered to the price it should have been at at $650usd as that's the true successor to the 6800xt.
What if the 4070 super is 50$ cheaper in your country??
4070s at same price, need i say more if its cheaper by 50 pounds
@@han-sooyoung 12 gb vram is scarry tho, look at the 3070 now as an example.
@@user-sz8fp5qs2s 12GB is fine. Look at the difference between high details and ultra. There's like 2 or 3 games in the world that need more than 12GB right now and if you needed it you would know it.
@@user-sz8fp5qs2sremember how long 8gb cards lasted for? It's true that 12gb cards "are next in line" but that's still quite a bit away
12gb Vram dude , don't touch it , unless you wanna look at stutters and freezing in games , look at rtx3070 and rtx3080 all garbage now , don't let dumbass Nvidia fanbabies pressure you to have Nvidia logo on your GPU , think smart get 16gb Vram GPU save the headache later.
I like "Settings that make sense"
I think a comparison of the GRE with the 6950 would be interesting.
Bit of a strange thought occurred to me while listening to Daniel talk. A medieval peasant listening in on this would have near zero grasp that it’s English (okay, maybe Elizabethan peasant, Medieval English might be a bit too far back). Just listen to the VRAM section. It’s English, the peasant might even understand some phrases, but it’s insane technobabble from his perspective! 😂
Where is the competition? Same performing cards for basically the same cost. WTF. Also no, no one is insane to turn on ray tracing on either of the cards so that is not a feature. AMD and Nvidia really share the same bed.
I personally compare the 7900gre without FSR (cause it looks like sh*t) to the 4070 super with DLSS on Quality/Balanced (cause it looks fine). So, even if I'd prefer 16GB of VRAM, the Nvidia card is easily my preferred card.
rx 6800 is one of the finest creation from amd till date.. sadly it's not available in my region, and if then with ridiculous pricing 😑, nvidia Don't have this type of 16gb vram/256 bit bus card within that price point
Don't get hung up on VRAm you won't even be using it.
@@BlackJesus8463 Oh you sure will in the coming years!
@@BlackJesus8463 we will,
@@BlackJesus8463 i still think 6800 is okay with 16gb, 6800 is the card where you brave 4k setting, but 7600xt on the other hand...
My point is older cards are still created better than newer ones.
@@BlackJesus8463dont get gpu which is already to be obsolescence
@34:40 are you more drawn to driver stability? That was my reason for 4070S besides power consumption.
7900 GRE > 4070 Super at these price points tbh. Nvidia really lame for intentionally lowering the VRAM on their mid range cards so as to not compete with their High end cards. In most cases i'd take nvidia over the AMD or Intel Competition however in this specific case its pretty clear the GRE is better for the cost.
Great video covering loads of important points!.... The 7900GRE is cheaper, performs better in most games specially those not called cyberpunk and is more futurproof thanks to additional vram.... The GRE is making the 4070 nvidia cards look very overpriced.
Sorry man, but 42 FPS vs 25 is not marginal by any stretch. Is the difference between playing comfortably on a VRR display vs just not being able to play.
Man this sucks, I have an Nvidia card, but I dislike their practices and pricing and AMD has been doing decently with their pricing, well at least better. But in my head is hard to recommend, because even when they have the same performance, FSR is just not great, and I use a lot of FSR on my deck, don't get me wrong, it still works, but compared is just not comparable.
So even if both of them are giving you a good experience natively, you can still use FSR for almost no compromise on quality (Almost) and get better framerate, while FSR it definitely takes a hit.
When I play competitive games I do use my displays, but when I play single player games, I always play with a controller on my couch on my 65 inch OLED. So I do sit at the distance that is recommended for the size of the TV, so DLSS really shines, I don't see any difference between Quality and Native. I even played Cyberpunk with Path Tracing on my 3090, using Ultra Performance and man, it looked not bad! Caveat: It only looked decently good only when they released Ray Reconstruction.
I was blown away and I was like "Nah, this can't be right" so disabled Ray Reconstructiong and yup, it looked terrible. But re enabling it, it looked pretty good, the only telling was the Hair.
Meanwhile, Playing RE4 Remake, using the FSR implementation on Quality, I could see a specular highlight from the shotgun on the menu flickering due the upscaler. Even at 4k Quality. Don't get me wrong, I still played it like that because it was a very minor detail, but that keeps the point on how DLSS is such a good technology that for me is really hard to recommend the GRE. Sometimes when you need that extra kick, you need to upscale and that's when things go south. Even on this showing there was several cases where the Framerates weren't hitting 60 on Either, but once you enabled Upscaling both had good framrates, but FSR is just not the best.
Man I hope AMD has started on a new implementation as we really need a good competitor to DLSS. I wish XeSS was more widely implemented as on my Deck I play Cyberpunk with XeSS and yeah, FSR gives me more frames, but XeSS is way more stable. Lock it to 30 and is game on. I even played it on a tv docked when I was traveling with a friend and he couldn't put the controller down, he was enjoying the game so much! haha.
shoulda got a Rx 7900xt instead with 20gb on board !!
It's kind of meh, on the european market the difference is like 30$ and at that point you might as well take the much better RT performance from Nvidia. 12GB is plenty with upscaling which you'll always be using with RT so the panic is overblown. I'd only worry about VRAM with ultra-wide or 4K resolution.
What many people here don't understand:
The Nvidia Super does not work with new clock rates but with TENSOR CORES!
These cores are mainly made to perform with Frame Generation (DLSS3).
The results shown with no dls and frame generation are missleading.
If you let DLSS3 compete against FSR3 here, the Nvidia graphics card is ahead again and also saves a lot of power and temperature!
So AMD has by no means "won" here, as many people wrongly write.
Understand the technology!
"a crowded price class"
If only this was true right from the outset of the current generation of GPUs...
If only the crowded price class was 300$…
Hell, I would take $400 being a crowded segment instead of being the upsale segment.
The 4060 is $300. Stop whining. It's not like you buy a GPU every year.
I bought a 4070 Super, it’s new, I’ll sell it,I should have bought a 4070 ti super.
All these talks about upscaling made me think. I have a 2070 Super and I felt cheated by DLSS 3 being locked to newer generations (DLSS 4 could also be locked if Nvidia gets too greedy). If AMD's FSR 4 will be on par or better than DLSS 3 and will be supported across their generations of cards then I think it is a better investment. As for VRAM dilemma, I think 12gb should be fine for 1440p now (my card suffers heavily at this res) but 16gb would be a nice safety net to have. Personally I wouldn't see this video as an Nvidia win since winning on RT titles doesn't equate a victory if it involves tuning down settings down the line (which is what I experience now from my card lol)