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- Why does the Steam Hardware Survey show such a small share for AMD, when CZcams comment sections are full of AMD users?
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First rule of AMD club: Tell EVERYONE you have an AMD card
6950 XT 💪
6950 xt 😎
6950xt 🎉
@@MrGermanletsplayerxD AMD 4 Life!
Yeeees 😂. I have a Intel CPU but I don't really care to say that but when it's talking about GPU I was like I have the best GPU for the money and then I SAY AMD 7800 XT it's the best and you should buy AMD 😂😂
Consider that it’s very hard to find gaming laptops with AMD gpus
yup! Any discrete laptop GPU is always Nvidia.
I saw them on the amd site when I last looked.
And most pre built desktops using discrete graphics
I was thinking that as well. I guess you could lump them in with pre-builts.
Could be combination of unfortunately demand, also AMD tend to lean more on APU's with laptops, and their dedicated GPU's tend to run a bit hotter. I'm just spit balling here.
I’m getting a chuckle out of all the Nvidia people commenting that they don’t comment about being Nvidia people
i see what u done here :)
It's like rich people. It's uncouth to sit and say I have a 4090 and rub it in the face of the plebeian peasants, lol.
@@Canuck-1976 or better yet thinking that bragging about having a 4090 makes you look like anything but a peasant
@@kenshirogenjuro873 Since when do peasants have money to spend on a 4090. Also I was joking around, that went over your head. Are you upset I have one?
@@Canuck-1976 no, you just look like a “peasant” thinking it’s something to brag about
Really great explanation of concepts like "vocal minority - silent majority" in effect!
Also great highlight of what kind of people watch your channel vs other places, and how that affects the data! =D
Just call us nerds, Daniel. We’re nerds. The guys replying to your polls and leaving comments on tech videos - we’re nerds and not like most others.
We're tech nerds, definetly not one of the coolest types of nerd
Yep, average joes don't watch techtubers, or read reviews about which gpu is better for them, all they know is branding.
And people who own nvidia are so satisfied they rarely follow these tech channels or pedantically checking for validation whether their card is better or not lol
@@tomthomas3499 Its fun to dismiss the intelligence of the average buyer but GPUs tend to be the most expensive component in a gaming PC or Laptop and its very likely that majority of users do at least rudimentary research dropping serious money on a gpu. Branding aside, unlike in CPU's with Ryzen vs Intel, in GPU's, most people just find Nvidia to be the better buy all things considered... features, price etc.
It's also unfortunately from past experience. All my friends shudder when I tell them me and my brother use amd gpus. They still think the drivers are terrible. I've had a mostly solid experience since I got my card.
I've known plenty of people who play games on their PC. I've even known several friends who built their own PCs. I've never known a single person IRL who has done what I've done over the past 15 years with constantly buying top end hardware. Everyone buying near the top end of PC hardware and/or who upgrades their PC every 1-2 years is a tiny minority of PC gamers.
i upgraded after like 12 years and got this generations mid range- its high end for me tho :D
you dont need to upgrade every gen to watch these videos or find them interesting, i bought rx 480 before mining boom because i got sick of playstation asking for a monthly fee to play online. Got 6700 xt after mining boom, now i plan to buy Nvidia blackwell 5080 for AI and VR, unless they decrease the value again like they did with the 4000 series, i need vram goddamnit and if Nvidia wont give it to me, i will stick with AMD.
Only time I bought top-end was the 1080Ti- because the price to performance ratio was insane in a weird way it ended up being a wise investment if you wanted to future-proof your system(which normally isn't something you should do when building a PC)...
@@__-fi6xg You used to be able to find $25-30 for a year of PS Plus and it was worth it, now it costs $70-80 a year. It's much more appealing to be on PC for me now. $80 a year for PS Plus is criminal if you ask me. Yes, it does offer some really good free monthly games, but if you just want to play games online it sucks.
I was that way from 1998 until about 2010.
back in my hometown (in China), the vast majority "users" of Nvidia Graphic Cards are accaully "Net Bars", I don't know if there is a exact translation in English, it looks like a Casino, decorated like a Casino, but with a bunch of gaming computers(LOL...), anyway, the owners of these "Net Bars" usually purchase gaming PCs with Nvidia graphics card because they really believed that NV GPUs have a wider range of supported games on Windows. Another tributed reason for this is the hype of PUBG and League of Legends across the whole China, back in the days around 2016 to 2018, everyone was using a GTX1060 (3gb) just to play PUBG, that is how 1060 rises to the top!!!
we generally call such places gaming or internet cafe's here in the west.
We call it: Cyber Coffee (on Argentina).
@@baronvonslambert You know that cafe is bad written and is taken from Spanish language, the original is Café (that obviously means coffee)
That's a very cool story, it explains why the Steam list includes so many 1060's!
Actually, the low end Nvidia graphics cards dominate the Steam Hardware Survey (1060, 1080, 1660 Super, 2060, 3060, etc.).
I think a lot of entry level gamers just buy Nvidia because they hear it's the best, and don't actually know anything about AMD.
Internet caffe is the term over here x)
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Counter point, Huskies are the loudest freaking animals on the planet and they're fairly big dogs
You cant argue with fanboys no matter what Fanboy. Fanboy comes from Fanatics so its clear i hope.
What do vegans, linux users, amd gpu owners have in common?
Yeah AMD fanboys are the loudest but man.. nvidia ones are the dumbest. The level of brand loyalty is akin to iphone users.
Not gonna lie, I just want AMD to do well so I can buy cheaper Nvidia.
EXACTLY. hardware unboxed discuss about this. majority have this exact mindset.
Nvidia knows you'll buy anyways, that's why they aren't lowering their prices in any significant way. But I appreciate that you think they care about the competition, especially when they release products like the 3050 for $200 and are like "Whew. Well, there's the entry level taken care of!"
Yep, as I've always said, that's mostly why people root for AMD.
The other part are sie hard fanbois or people with vendettas against Nvidia aka Hardware Unboxed
@@Teaposethe super series release and gave amd a bit of a fight in almost every segment
I couldn't agree, if i had to get a new gpu today (currently have an arc a770) i would get an amd gpu because they're done less (less, not none) bad things and for the sake of better linux compatibility, where nvidia isn't great at as where amd and intel are much better
Daniel' poll: western DIY PC gamers mostly
Steam: worldwide, DIY+prebuilt+laptop
the laptop arugment is weak though bc from ampere and some of pascal it shows "laptop" chip, 3060 is at much higher percentage even before the laptops lol
This. I know people on USA or EU get spicy deals on AMD gpus compared to Nvidia gpus, but usually AMD cards don't sell that much below Nvidia cards on rest of the world so people are saying why would I buy an AMD card (probably comes from older experiences) when I can buy Nvidia (better product in their eyes) at the similar price point.
Please understand that not every Steam user is surveyed and tech channels neglect to mention that. So its very very very unlikely that every gaming pc in those gaming cafe's is getting surveyed. When the user keeps changing on the same IP, steam probably doesn't survey that machine.
damn viewer from south east asia count as western?
@@asyraffrys5512 Yes you do. 😊
Ps. He said: "mostly".
Where are you from?
I built my computer until last year because I got tired of troubleshooting and was spending too much on parts. Since then I have a mini PC that can play some old games and emulators. I upgraded the mini pc ram to 32 GB and changed the SSD to 2 TB and my other ssd and Blue Ray drive I installed them on external enclosures.
As for the graphics card, I always bought the one that was available in my local computer shop, but I tend to buy Amd because I don’t use Ray tracing, DLSS or FSR much. I always watch your videos Daniel and I think you do an excellent job.
YT surveys are targeted towards enthusiasts where Steam survey is everyone
Whereas Nvidia has the newest graphical technology that enthusiasts wouldn't want?
Exactly why i got NVIDIA
I'd like to think developers are a large part of enthusiasts. The bunch that don't care about what Nvdia tech has to offer. Or its just that the majority of prebuilts, macs and laptops uses nvidia cards.
I'm an enthusiast and prefer Nvidia for GPUs for better driver support and better performance and Intel for overclocking ability
@@hadleys.4869intel for oc ability? modern intel chips are overclocked so much from factory that theyrd unstable. its no longer the 3rd gen era
Fan boys are loud. In every demographic the majority is silent. Frequency of comments is no metric
I've never had a problem with AMD gpu.
@@BlackJesus8463 Awesome.
Nothing to do with what I'm saying.
@@BlackJesus8463 this is exact what fanboy would write ,,nothing to do with the comment here yet you had to say you never had any problem with amd ,,who cares
@@BlackJesus8463 Bro is the reason why this video was even made 😭
The other day I asked some random guy what time it was and he answered 'I love my AMD GPU'.
I wonder;
If NVidia was second in the poll and AMD first, that you may see a higher amount of Nvidia comments.
not if prices were the same! as they are now!
I'd say no, you'd still see more amd. Even if the poll favored amd, the overall gpu market is still heavily skwed to Nvidia(like 80% and 15% or smth). So amd is still the overall underdog, and the underdog theory would still apply.
Yep for sure but then nvidia would be the price to performance choice.
It’s simple really. AMD users simply have enough VRAM to load the comment section.
Yeah my 24GB of VRAM on my 4090 isn't enough. That said funny that it's RAM that does it. I get it though you were trying to be funny.
@@Canuck-1976So you understood that it was a joke and chose to treat it like it wasn't one? But why?
@@leigel3prob wanted to brag about his 4090
@@Canuck-1976 Your 4090 is the outlier and you know it.
@@Canuck-1976 Don't worry, most of us understood the joke and laughed. You did understand it was a joke but didn't laugh because you felt attacked on a personal level because you know you over-paid for your card and you're angry about it. Next time choose wisely, stop throwing your money away. Also, gl with that electricity bill and heat in summer.
Before watching the video
It is prob bc your audiance Isn't just random pc gamer and we do our research
4090 here but when we mention it, it feels like bragging to usually we stay quiet
A 4090?! Posh bastard!
It's always bragging. Shut up
You may brag only if you actually game! ✌
But you are bragging. And who is we? I have seen plenty of nvidia flexing they bought top end you no matter the generation.
@@VoldoronGaming the royal we. I have seen plenty of amd people flexing they got best value out of their gpu .
Your analysis makes sense to me, but I would add the factor of NVIDIA sells much better in different markets and AMD almost only sells well on USA. Here in Brazil absolutely all my friends that play on PC use NVIDIA and they are more than 20 people. The only AMD GPUs that sells really well here are chinese imported refurbished cards like RX 580 or RX 6600, because they are really cheap. The majority of AMD cards cost way to much here, because they are imported in lower quantities while those from NVIDIA are imported in greater quantities and therefore cost less.
To use my case as an example, when I went to buy a new card, the RTX 4070 Ti cost me R$5,000.00, while an RX 7900 XT was costing R$5,500.00, so for me it didn't make any sense to buy the AMD card. Nowadays prices are a little different, but they are still not like in the USA, where AMD costs much less than NVIDIA.
same here in Indonesia! the most popular card from AMD is the chinese refurb junk RX 580 or used RX 6600
Yup, here is my country there are more 4080 Super models on sale than the entire RX7000 series, AMD has poor logistic outside of a few 1st world countries leading to high prices vs Nvidia
The 7900xt can be found for R$ 5.000,00 and 4070 ti super for R$ 5.500,00 at least in this price point amd is cheaper 3:08
@luisgustavodossantosrodrig2005 "nowadays prices are a little different..."
The AMD cards are getting cheaper now because they don't sell and even than still cost too much.
I searched for a RTX 4070 Ti (not super) and found it for less than 4,8k reais.
@@CaioZer0 i only comented because the 7900xt it's a little faster than the 4070 ti super so seens fair to compare the prices
i own a 2070 Super. main reason i went nvidia over amd is building my pc with streaming in mind so i wanted the nvenc encoder, but also the 5700 XT was not yet out at the time of building, and nowadays i make use of other features like rtx voice and mesh shaders. i would recommend amd cards to others for sure, but i personally prefer some of nvidia's features that i make use of.
Most Price sensitive DIY guys have AMD GPU, allmost all Prebulid have Nvidia,
Steam hardware need to be divided by Regions to see clear Picture most number in Steam Surveys do Asia PC Cafe they use exclusive Nvidia budget solution
Also Nvidia dominates on the Laptop side of things. Whenever I buy old gaming laptops, to throw linux on there and give them to my cousins. Every single gaming laptop i've worked on so far has been Nvidia.
That's actually why Pop Os is killing it on the Linux side, and why Nobara is becoming a sleeper hit. Because so many of the gaming laptops on the used market use Nvidia graphics cards. Which basically forces any one installing linux on those old lap tops to use Pop os or Nobara.
7800xt was the better bang for the buck in my country when I built my pc late last year, so that's what I went with. Now that the 4070 Super has been released the regular 4070 price has dropped a lot, so if I were building it today I would definitely consider it.
I'm a fanboy of my wallet.
Yes, but 7800XT power consumption is also quite high and requires higher watt for the PSU.
Not sure it is still considered high even after undervolt👀
It is one of the consideration for those countries come with high electricity cost or taxt involved.
my 7800xt hit 105c hotspot and alot of people had the same issue with their 7000 series card
@@kev1310 Depending on the model (such as my 7900 XTX Red Devil) they can sometimes be overclocking by default while keeping a quiet fan curve which tends to be a recipe for disaster. My advice is to reduce the clock speed to the base clock speed (for me this was around 2300hz) and mess around with the fan curve and stress test your profile using a game that would normally put stress on the GPU.
@@kev1310wow, mine never goes anywhere near that. That'd scare the heck out of me.
@@kev1310 thats standard behaviour on basically any modern GPU. The GPU will keep the max clock possible until the hotspot gets to the maximum specified hotspot temperature (110c for RX 6000 and 7000 series) or until it hits max TDP. So, if you have a case with bad airflow, the GPU will always be close to that 110c hotspot temperature
Contemporary classic 6800XT owners are here and will be here for at leat a few years.
Yup especially if they got it paired with any am5 cpu or am4 x3d, atleast for gaming
'Sup, reporting for duty
That card is a complete beast..... and considering the laughable generational gains as of late, I tend to think you are correct sir.
Built my first PC with one. I think most people are unaware of how far AMD has come these last few years and just default to Nvidia.
yep same im so glad i got a 6800xt over 3080 because at 4k 10gb is not enough vram.
Even though this was mainly common sense to me, the results are interesting and your explanations of the basics of statistics and probabilities must have helped a lot of your viewers. Good one !
Like so many videos on this channel, this one was as much a stats video as it was a "gaming" or "hardware" video, arguably.
I, for one, am here for it.
i guess most nvidia card owners do not write on YT about it (except survey)
especially the top product owners (3090, 4090, etc) who are often a professionals, not gamers.
We can never know how much of gpus are not presented in Steam survey.
and we can never know how much nvidia users do not care to write any comments.
unlike amd fanboys who clearly interested in telling everyone about them having an amd gpu
yep unlike most amd fanboys who only talk but no buy 😂
Nah it's AMD GPU owners trying to justify their purchase.
Yeah because they're playing games while amd guys constantly bitch and moan about nvidia online 24/7
Radeon fans life mission is to convince people that raster only native performance is all that matters. And while on the low end that's sort of true. For mid range and high end users that's a very dated metric. Nvidia owners are using their features to get the best version of the games they are playing. Not trying to cope and convince everyone and themselves that the biggest advancements in games graphics since the Xbox 360 launched don't matter.
I like having a system with an AMD GPU and another system with a Nvidia GPU. Its kinda crazy just how close they are
Which I why I recently switched to AMD
@@jaredangell5017 Opposite of me. I daily drive AMD and Nvidia side by side and that's made the next upgrade far less likely to be AMD.
same !! i always have one that has an amd cpu + amd gpu, and one with an intel cpu + nvidia gpu
using them feels basically identical, except one has smaller monitors xd
@@zodwraith5745 I still have my NVIDIA laptop. Haven't touched it since I got the 6800
@@zodwraith5745With the features like NVIDIA Reflex, raytracing and wide range of games support DLSS; I'm eventually changed my team from Red to Green now. RDNA4 could change that "raytracing" part tho. It's also near impossible to find laptop and prebuilt PC with discrete AMD GPU in my country.
It takes a relatively high amount of knowledge and interest to go against NVIDIA mindshare. AMD CPUs were in that position not so long ago.
Agreed. I just built my first AMD rig (7800x3D/7900XTX). The 7900xtx handles ray tracing a lot better than people seem to realize; just because the 4080 is better doesn't mean the 7900 isn't a good product. I'm thinking about buying a second 7900xtx for another rig
Of the 4 PC's I've built in the last 3 years I have only been offered the steam survey on my 2060 & 3060ti but my current builds rx 6800 and 7800xt have not been offered the survey
AMD fanbois are simply more vocal. (I own an AMD GPU btw)
This is the correct answer
I don't think this is the case. Nvidia loyalists are very vocal, too. Personally, I don't care, and I just go with whatever is better for me at the time.
Also not correct. Among people who care a lot about GPU reviews, it is trendy to hype AMD. If you go to "average" people, I'm sure the nvidia people will be more vocal.
@@HurricaneSparky This. I'll buy whatever offers the best bang for the buck when it comes time to upgrade.
@@HurricaneSparky i believe the average Nvidia gpu owner doesn't care about gpu brands battle and won't try to argue with others, while the average AMD gpu owner will be "proud" of his purchase, but the loyalists on Nvidia's side care more than the loyalists on AMD's side, kinda like Apple vs Android
hmm I wonder if the survey can detect internet cafe PCs. From what I remember from my childhood playing at internet cafes with like gtx 750tis, the hardware survey message pops up on every login. I just clicked off of it back then.
Like laptops, etc.. The survey doesn't really care.
This might be it. Internet cafes. Especially the chinese ones. There's over 20 thousand of them, all filled with hundreds of PC setups and a good majority rocking a 3060.
750 Ti's were from you child hood? Damn I feel old.
I was using an 750 TI my freshman year of college. Before I upgraded to an dual 950 SLI set up.
Because I heard rumors about the 1080, but I thought it was over hyped. And that the performance couldn't actually be as good as people said it would be.
Boy was I wrong.
@@Linux_Fan_Boi_76 yep, I think 750ti s came out early 2014 right? I was 14 in the same year.
Teenage me and the boys would always go to internet cafes after school to have a grand old time playing LAN games at like 20 fps. Only way to play back in the 3rd world unfortunately.
A lot of lower-end cafes probably had like GT 710s or 730s. A few had 750tis as far as I remember.
@@Salty_Nutella I miss playing LAN games.
I'm glad that y'all were still able to play and have fun.
Where I lived they didn't have Cafe's, instead they had a place called Howie's game shack.
Where you'd pay a bit of money and then you could play on their computers for the day.
I used to go there with my buddies. The whole place smelled like mountain dew, and they had these monstrous alien ware Pre built computers running each game station.
Command and Conquer 3 : Tiberium Wars had just barely come come out. So everyone was playing that.
great class on probabilities and sampling for same.
@Daniel Owen, are you able to pull all the comments from this page and push into excel. You could do a pivot table or something similar to find an actual number of AMD vs Nvidia.
... Actual number of AMD owners commenting vs NVIDIA owners. It does really say anything about the number of GPUs themselves.
Everyone in the nerd zone uses Firefox, runs Linux, and has an AMD graphics card. The are ppl are also the most vocal.
So I game with 5700 XT, RX 580, RTX 2070, RTX 2080 Super, RTX 3070, and RTX 4070 Super. All have been surveyed by Steam.
exactly lol. for past 2 years i had RX6600, RX6600XT, RX6700XT, RX6800, 3060ti, 3070, RX7900XT, 4070s , 4070tiS
yeah thats the problem with stream survey, vega 56 , 3080 ,etc
When looking at the steam hardware survey, I couldn't find any current Gen AMD models except 7900xtx. Was I looking incorrectly?
How is the hardware survey done? Did they add in the people using amd and nvidia for ai stuff to? Because maybe gamers is more elike 60/40 but when it come to ai and all that stuff nvidia for sure wil lead probably to 75% when add both together.
mind you, in many parts of the world AMD GPUs weren't price competitive or even available until the 6000 series and people tend to buy familiar products
let alone people who also use them for work... I only recommend NVIDIA GPU to friends if they are also going to use it for work
Tech youtubers are talking mostly about gaming and have zero knowledge about productivity outside Cinebench scores.
Personally, I work with Autodesk software and Nvidia has features that make AMD cards as appealing as integrated graphics.
Your underdog theory is exactly right
Yup 💪 6950 XT here
Its value.
Its COPE.
@@BlackJesus8463 Nothing but cope. AMD users realizing they fucked up big time by saving $50 by buying AMD instead of Nvidia.
@@Wobbothe3rdleads in raster tho.
So Nvidia made a lot of noise about proprietary stuff just to upcharge users.
1:50 That's correct. The amount of users/players using a particular hardware configuration is the relevant information for game developers. Which is whom the survey is for.
It must correlate with amount of particular graphics cards in use, but it's a loose correlation.
Nvidia owner here…RTX 4080 super suprim. I would consider AMD when FSR is as good or better than DLSS
It's already at that point now haha
@@z0r0sDemise I’m not sure that’s true. I think FSR has some titles that are maybe comparable to DLSS but for the most part DLSS is pretty far ahead. I think FSR is gaining ground tho.
6800XT here. If I had waited a few months more, it would have been a 7800XT. If I slept on giant piles of money every night, it would have been a 4090.
the 7800xt is barely better than a 6800xt though
I was about to buy the rx 7900xtx, but I am waiting cause I don't want the same to happen to me. I will keep the saved money for the next generation. (Rx6800 on my pc)
The 4090 is the fastest GPU of current generation, raytracing or not, so obviously people with *lots* of money will get those.
And if you want raytracing, have some cache, but not ludicrous budget, 4080Super is the second go-to.
Only below that threshold 7900XT(X) start being an actual competitive option. AMD being AMD, did not miss a chance to get behind by keeping to not care about raytracing performance.
Exactly
Yep same here. I kind of wish I had waited, but considering I got the 6800 XT for around $500 and the minimal difference in performance, it doesn't really bother me.
I've said many times if we went by social media comments, you'd think AMD had a 50% GPU market share 😂
Im an amd user. 6750xt. Its been great. I got it right when it came out so i over paid, but ive been mostly satisfied. It chews up everything at 1080p. I even do light ray tracing when applicable, but i do mostly game in multi-player titles. Been spreading lots of democracy in helldivers 2 and im constantly on the 90 fps range.
How many of these are 1070 / 1080s? Because I'm on a 1070.
7800xt
I have a NVIDIA gpu, but it’s only because I got a 4090, if I wanted to go more budget, I’d get an AMD.
Same here but if I wanted a more budget friendly card I would get 4080S
I have a 4080s it replaced my 3090 I’d go amd if I was shopping in the 300-400 range that’s where amd goes hard.
@@a1racer441I guess it depends on the region. If you can get 6800 XT at comparable price to 4060 Ti, it certainly is a better option, but when compared to 6700 XT, the performance is actually very close or better.
@@Derael Yep, and on the Low end of things the rx 6600 and intels A750 are the kings. Whenever I do Budget builds for my cousins I either go with intel or last gen AMD.
Eventually the Supply of 6600 cards will dry up. But budget builders are gonna be eating good till that happens.
Are the surveys voluntary? Also are they solicited by Steam? I'm confused, I have three computers. Two with AMD cards and one with Nvidia. Steam as never prompted me for hardware survey on either of them.
another thing to consider is how data is collected on laptops. You will get a lot of intel, amd, etc from the iGPU being reported instead of the dedicated GPU.
Recently switched from gtx 970 to an rx 6750 xt
from ultra slow to very slow
@@abc-ni9lpyour brain is ultra slow troll
@@abc-ni9lpLow quality bait
Im planning to buy an RX 6600 this month, do you have any bad experience with amd graphic cards?
@@hiro5710 Just use DDU (Display driver uninstaller) and follow the directions. I have swapped/tested many gpu's both AMD and NVIDIA and no issues for years now
Almost every youtube poll I've gotten about anything has people commenting they chose the minority option. Kinda weird.
The people into things that are less popular are often times more passionate about said things, so they're more likely to look for content about them and be in communities.
The common person, aka the majority, doesn't even follow tech for example.
Intel is the minority, Intel got the least votes.
Nothing weird about it.
I think it's just AMD users being more vocal about what they have, while Nvidia users generally are less likely to talk about that.
Also it wasn't until 6000 series that AMD really got their driver right, so most people just buy Nvidia cards because they had good experience with them before and are not willing to take risk.
Steve from Gamers Nexus asked a "major motherboard manufacturer" about 2 years ago what proportion of their sales was in the DIY / enthusiast space. They said about 10-15%, depending on whether you did it by revenue or volume. In decreasing order, their largest sales were laptops, desktop OEMs (e.g Dell office PCs), embedded / industrial, pre-builds, DIY / enthusiast, and finally servers. This is just to show how unrepresentative the DIY market is - and also explains why (for example) AMD has been dominating the DIY space in CPUs, but their overall sales are still way behind Intel
last year i built a whole AMD system for the first time (never bought anything AMD ever) and my experience has been mostly positive
Mostly ? Im thinking of doing the same, if you dont mind sharing your experience with me , thank you
@@hamzaalhassani4154 not a huge issue but maybe like once or twice a month my screen goes dark for a split second when i'm in the browser, but i also have overclocked literally everything in my pc including the monitor itself so that might have something to do with it lol
@@hamzaalhassani4154 the driver software is pretty good but i had a problem with instant replay feature causing stuttering in my games, and one small issue is that maybe once or twice a month my screen goes dark for a split second when in the browser, but that could be also caused by the fact that literally everything in my pc is overclocked including the monitor itself lol
lucky u didnt do any latency sensitive like mixing a lot of audio tracks or DSP. chiplet still have flaw over latency cos their circuit is longer than monolith
@hamzaalhassani4154 I've had an all AMD system recently (switched the 7900xtx for a 4090). The AMD Adrenalin software is far superior to GeForce Experience/Nvidia App.
The drivers were sometimes crashing while playing Helldivers 2.
(Processor is a 7800X3D) Some motherboard brands have BIOS with slow startup, like MSI.
I have three systems in the house. the system with the RTX GPU more frequently asks me to complete the steam hardware survey. Coincidence? I dunno. I want AMD to Do well because as a gamer, we cannot have a monopoly. Same with INTEL, I dont want them to go anywhere. however they did need a kick in the teeth for the 10 year stagnation of CPUs.
If i dont care about rtx and i only want my graphic card to play on 1440p should i be worried about having more vram (rx 7900 gre 16gb) or should i go with the rtx 4070 super? also i plan to stay with this build for a long time
I think the difference in your survey and Steam statistic is that your question was for newest PC builds. My newest PC CPU/GPU is AMD but I have gaming laptop with RTX and two older PC's are Intel/Nvidia combo. I think in near future Steam statistics will show something closer to 30% for AMD GPU's
Nvidia also dominates in gaming laptops. In the 2017 survey the 1050ti & 1060 were the dominating GPUs because Nvidia released compact versions of them. In 2024, its the 3060 & 1650 for the same reason. They are usually the only options avaliable for many laptops with discrete GPUs.
Nvidia user here, I've got a 4070 super and couldn't be happier with it, had a 1660 super previously and bought a 6700 xt as well because some youtubers recommended it. However I regretted the purchase of the amd card because of subpar latency tech compared to nvidias reflex and worse upscaling tech as well. I rather have a slower nvidia card than an amd card without the nivida tech.
6900XTXH and very happy with it.
I bought my last Nvidia GPU, like, over 10 years ago.
I have a feeling that the reason the steam hardware survey is so different from what people actually Express is that people with AMD graphics cards are just more vocal. While Nvidia is the default option that people will get if they don't know what they're doing. I did research, decided I didn't care at all about Ray tracing. And got a graphics card that fit my price point. My brother bought a pre-built for a similar price but has about half the power.
Gotta 6700XT 🎉
You ever need more than 12GB vram?
@@BlackJesus8463that’s what you should be asking 4070/ti owners, 12gb already gets maxed out @1080p in any high texture open world game, @1440 I’ve seen north of 14/15gbs
You're right on the money. TechTuber audiences are enthusiasts, and most enthusiasts lean toward AMD. This is a bubble. Everyone I play games with on a regular basis, who are afraid to even open their case and use canned air on it, are all on Nvidia gpu's. If you sampled our group, it would be 100% Nvidia. (Yes, I have a 40 series card, because I enjoy RT over 100fps.) How do I know they're all on Nvidia cards? Because when they have problems, I'm their tech support, and no, their problems aren't due to their graphics cards. It's almost always overheating due dirty cases.
That's sad lol
You have to break out the air compressor for cleaning pcs.
@@christophermullins7163 I mean its not surprising if i don't know anything about PC, i wouldn't also touch my case lol i don't want to do something retarded and break something especially those who buys prebuilts which cost extra more rather than if you just build it yourself, and if not most people don't have extra money just laying around if they f something up.
Enthusiasts are mostly Nvidia. AMD fanboys are only enthusiastic about COPING over their inferior purchase.
@@haruusami1831 Exactly this, they're afraid they'll break something. They've invested a bit of money, and not being savvy on exactly how robust each component may be, it's like opening Pandora's box to them.
7900XT that I got last July after watching your video's. RT is nice but raw rasterization power is going to last me longer and the card has raw power in loads even if it doesn't keep up in heavy RT loads.
Steam's definitely the more accurate one, because it is definitely more "impartial" than some random poll on any YT channel. Reason being? People like to trash Nvidia for anything and everything, and be seen as supporting an "underdog", but when asked to put their money where their months are, they buy Nvidia, and that's not without reason. Nvidia has the better hardware and feature set in general, nobody in their right mind would pick an AMD GPU right now unless they can get it heavily discounted over the Nvidia counterpart. So they buy Nvidia and vote AMD like hypocrites, and inflate those AMD numbers in "random" polls. Where they can't manipulate the results easily, would be things like the Steam survey, where they would be caught actually using an Nvidia GPU and not an AMD GPU like they claim they were in those easily manipulated polls.
If you go to comment sections, ironically there are quite a few Nvidia corporate cheerleaders... people forgot to simp for their own wallets in the first place ^^
Nvidia having a better feature set is not true once you look at it with nuance and consider more than the first 12-16 months after launch. Nvidia has so far not enabled new features on older generations, where AMD has. In fact, most features that are useful for a 20-series rtx card in 2024 come from AMD, who are allowing these features ro run on any card. Secondly, AMDs windows drivers surpassed Nvidias sometime in 2020 for stability and ease of use, most notably in having built in overclocking and not actually eating up insane amounts of system resources. Don't even get me started about Nvidia vs AMD on Linux. If you buy Nvidia, you are basically stuck with Microsoft spying on you. The one advantage over AMD that Nvidia has is Raytracing, but Raytracing doesn't actually deliver playable performance below the 700$ mark, which means for most gamers it is a non-feature.
Nvidia is like Apple, except there isn't really a Samsung. AMD is more like some obscure artisan phone brand which most normal people don't even know exists.
@@wfb.subtraktor311 yeah, the features not even being a factor below 700 is so fucking true... But there will always be a bunch of redditors recommending 4060Ti because much raytracing and framegen - the marketing worked, useful idiots have been bred.
@@Micromation Unironically the best marketing stragety ever was to make laptop and prebuilt manufactures put those little Nvidia and intel stickers on everything. Name recognition is 90% of the game with the vast majority of uninformed consumers. When I bring up even AMD CPUs, which are just objectively slapping right now, I often hear "who, what now?" as a response. If your customers don't know you have competition you can kinda do whatever you want and be fine.
@@Micromation czcams.com/video/-wGd6Dsm_lo/video.html
Love my 7900xtx
Me to
Same 😊
u must be insane loving 400W slow vs Nvidia GPU with no features
@@abc-ni9lpit runs my games, and I don’t use upscaling or raytracing. It’s got all the features I need with all the performance I need
How dare you
Very good analysis, Daniel. You brought up a lot of issues that I didn't think of. When I commented on your poll, I brought up only that the content of your videos is targeted at people who are looking for the best bang for the buck and are the people that AMD especially appeals to.
LTT has once made a short experiment to demonstrate this on the wan show.
It is the same topic with Firefox vs other browsers like Chrome and Edge. When asked, the majority of people answered that they use firefox, but in reality when looking at the websites user data, only a minority uses Firefox.
So nvidia users just buy the cards, but AMD users buy the cards and shout about it in every comment section
Basically
Anyone old enough to know radeon cards when they were owned by ATI know how messed up the driver implementation was, the card werent that great either. nvidia card buyer for 20 years plus.
Well steam survey is across the world for anyone who agreed to have this data shared with steam.
His survey is in an english speaking/anglosphere.
If you buy a gaming laptop(which for a lot it's likely the only thing they buy in terms of gaming hardware if they aren't into console gaming) chances are they're buying an amd/intel cpu + nvidia gpu combo meal or amd cpu+amd igpu combo meal.
The thing is, most tech CZcamsrs own and use Nvidia cards in their main rigs (usually 4090 or 4080). For exmaple, both guys from Hardware Unboxed cahnnel are using Nvida cards at home. Kryzzp from zWORMz Gaming channel also uses RTX card as his main GPU. Same goes to ALL our local tech guys as well. I have never heard that any person, connected with the tech world, uses AMD GPU.
AMD is only discussed seriously when people are talking about value proposition in lower end PCs. Anywhere else - it is just Nivida.
I mean content wise, the Nvidia cards had the superior encoder for a long time. Now that the 7000 series also has Nvenc that could also switch. But thats just a theory, a GPU theory😂
It depends on the depth of the tech channel. Linux or developer channels, probably opposite result.
repair tech and streamer here, i use a 7900xtx. All the fellow technicians at my store (except one) use amd gpus because they are far better value for money.
@@InfernoTrees of course, the only thing you guys talk at is only raw performance value and not the WHOLE gpu like their feature set and software support other than just gaming 😂
@Eleganttf2 I could go without upscaling instead of raw performance and the extra vram at a lower price. All I need is a good hevc encoder and 144hz 1440p gaming
In addition to those that built their own PC versus those that bought a pre-built there are those with pre-builts that upgraded their GPU. So if you make a poll please include those. EG, gaming on a vanilla PC, modified, built from scratch. I have a pre-built but had to upgrade my AIO from the OEM AIO. My CPU was hitting temps of 110C. The new AIO don't fit inside the case. But now the hottest the CPU gets is 70C. It is not a design problem. The room can get around 80F.
what about the Geforce Now? Any chance the cloud logins count too?
I watch your channel and many other tech channels. I am in the fortunate position of being able to get enthusiast GPUs.
My last 5 GPUs:
RTX 4090
RTX 3080 Ti
RTX 2080 Ti
GTX 1080 Ti
GTX 1080
For me to consider AMD now, they need to be faster than 5090, they need to have better SR than DLSS, they need to have better FG than DLSS (yes it is better less artifacting and judder) they need RR and more importantly they need to be cheaper.
Also Nvidia Broadcast is incredible, I can have my fan and vacuum full blast next to my microphone and my friends cannot hear anything but my voice.
I recently bought my first AMD card after using a 2060 Super for the past 5 years. I have yet to try it with Blender, but so far it's been a pretty alright experience. I've heard a lot of mixed things about AMD drivers, but I haven't had any issues quite yet aside from my home's tap water turning a bright red color, though I assume this is just an AMD marketing tactic.
Sir, I really think it might be wise to get a plumber in.
I think you did mention it in the video in passing, but I think it's worth saying again that having the correct sample size is very important for determining the reliability (confidence?) of the conclusion. It's been awhile, so I could be fuzzy on the terminologies. As it seems is the case in all things, what the optimal sample size is for a given study/survey is "it depends" 😁 It's a shame Steam doesn't make more data available for their survey, including the specifics of how they collect data each month. It would go a long way to helping decide how much to trust their survey data and why there are abnormalities sometimes.
One thing I took away from my engineering classes in college was that every solution to a problem has implied assumptions and boundary conditions. Especially when math is involved! If you don't know what those assumptions and conditions are, then you don't really understand your solution/answer either.
The worst experience I've had with a GPU was with a AMD card.
Bought a 6700xt gpu/5700x cpu last year for my new build.
Best price/performance at the time.
Nvidia price scheme is obscene.
Had a 6700xt sold it within couple months for a 3070 haven’t regretted it once
@@StrixWar I did get my 6700XT to beat a 3070 with a pretty heavy oc. Only in rasterized rendering tho.
@@SPORKETT and as a heavy cyberpunk enjoyer RT and dlss is where it’s at
Had a 1080 went to a 6700xt , thank god i dodged the 8gb bullet. No issues so far works great, no missing or popping textures.
@@argmits only had vram issues in 1 game FH5 at 1440p max settings 2xmsaa
Amd fans are very previlient on youtube. Basically a very loud minority. Amd has akways had very big presence on internet.
yep thats all that they have thats why
I think it`s the need to be different, no matter the bad choice.
It can be like that for any product in the market. really.
It's cope and the need for validation. Even if AMD products weren't inferior it would be unhealthy.
@@Wobbothe3rd would it be unhealthy for NVIDIA owners?
People who watch CZcams have educated themselves to know what the advantages/disadvantages are between the two cards. I will admit though.... With the super cards release AMD makes a little less sense from the 4070 on up. The 7900xt being the exception at it's current price tag it's still a compelling buy.
A ton of consumers are lemmings though. They do what they see everyone else do no matter what and are proud of it.
I think there's a bunch of people like myself who don't buy AMD GPUs and won't unless there's a significant change in the company.
My brother who works in IT has always built his own pc and mine for over twenty years. He is not into graphic realism like i am so he is really all into AMD while am more Intel and Nvidea. I was so impressed though with how happy he is with AMD i was tempted to switch especially with all the incredible rise in gpu cards during the pandemic but he told me am particular and probably better off sticking with Intel and Nvidea while still pushing the positives of AMD such as better upgrade life span where he is still upgrading all his current pcs that are five or more years older while i already hit the upgrade wall two years ago with my i7 8700 with a RTX 2060. Fortunately my i7 8700 runs everything great and it has only been this year where my settings have gone down to medium and high instead of high and ultra at 1080p or 1440p.
Thanks for the always informative and commonsense videos and happy computing! ☕
I own an Nvidia GPU and I didn't care to fill the survey or to comment, it is as you said in the vdeo, I don't feel the need to support the product or to tell everyone that I have an Nvidia card. I'm happy with my purchase.
this is what I see on different channels from different countries.
amd fanboys are just extremely loud and "proud" to tell everyone about them being a happy amd fanboy.
it is like being a vegan. you have to tell everyone you are a vegan.
nvidia users do not care about this kind of social interaction
@@PhilosophicalSockthis is not true lmao, I see tons of nvidia fans
also like, the vast majority of Vegans are super chill and do not make a big deal of it
@@PhilosophicalSock Edgy
@@theaveragecactus mhm. this is what happens when we try to ponder out personal expirience. I see a vast majority of loud amd fanboys everywhere. on this channel as well. And I see very small amount of NV users in comments.
Same with vegans / meat enjoyers. Enjoying meat is so common, you just do not have and urge to share your meat phylosophy with anyone - it is nothing special at all!
But being an amd fan is equal to being a part of minority - thus being SPECIAL in some way
@@PhilosophicalSockthat is completely untrue. I have seen plenty of flexing by nvidia users saying they got a 4090 or other high end nvidia gpu.
Even anecdotally about half of all people I know have an AMD card. It doesn’t seem to line up. I can only assume laptops and gaming cafes are slightly skewing the numbers.
I guess people who know more about tech, know the value AMD brings for its performance
I have had both AMD and Nvidia thru the years. Intel Arc stepping doing well with every driver update, I don't think anyone is going to compete at the top level with Nvidia for years, but in the mid-tier section should be good competition in the coming years. Nothing wrong with picking whatever brand you like, as long as you did the research on the product and made the choice that made you happy.
6800xt still happy with it.
same here bud
me too 💪
I recently bought a 6800 and won The silicon lottery
Same
Trying to feel better about your inferior product?
It's possible country makes a difference for brand split. When I did my last build I know there were some good AMD video card deals in the US that we didn't seem to have in Canada.
I only ever happen to get the Steam survey when I'm on my garage rig which i barely game on these days and that has a first gen i7 with a 1080Ti in it.
Anyone saying "muh AMD better NVIDIA is scam" or "AMD is inferior and shouldn't ever be bought" in these comments needs to realize that at the end of the day you're arguing about a graphics card. Nvidia, AMD, and even Intel all have good offers for different price ranges. Acting like the hardware in your computer makes you better than another person is childish and lame. Stop d riding brands and look at stuff objectively for once...
People say that Nvidia is a scam, because when the 40 series came out they were in full greed mode. Saying shit like "The more you buy the more you save"
That's not the case any more. As Nvidia has recently put out some really compelling Budget options to claw back some of the budget market share from AMD. Like the 3050 desktop GPU with 6 gb of ram that can run off of just PCIE power while costing 180 dollars.
You also need to remember that Nvidia's prices only came down a little while ago.
Before that Nvidia was charging way too much for their mid range carries with next to no increase in performance, in some cases the new cards actually ran slower if you weren't using frame generation.
It's not about being a better person. It's about getting frustrated when brand loyalty makes people spend obscene prices on graphics card. Getting annoyed that people insist on riding an company's Dick while they are robbing you blind.
Thankfully Nvidia came to their senses and lowered prices. But for a while their business practices were absolutely obscene.
I have a Rtx 4070 super
a HUGE amount of NVIDIA hardware on steam are internet cafe hardware. In Ho Chi Minh city - Vietnam, there are like 50-100 internet cafes, each has around 50pcs, and they all use NVIDIA hardware.
Had a AMD GPU, and just kept having weird issues. I wanted to love the card, but just didn’t give me what I wanted. Might be willing to try it again sometime, but not for a few gens
In Germany, we have very high electricity costs compared to the rest of the world, which is one of the reasons (including me) why many are more likely to resort to NVIDIA. Because in the same performance segment, an AMD card consumes an average of 25-30% more power.
I know RX 7000 series does, but is it same for RX 6000 series?👀
No majority of and card perform the same as nvdia with lower powerdraw and perform well even when undervolted
AMD is very popular in Germany. 7800XT is close to a best seller during Q1 2024.
@@HardyDimension AMD 6000 series and Nvidia 3000 series were much closer in regards to power consumption compared to how it is with the current gen
@@HardyDimension its close amd don't report correctly the power consuption in the 6000 series (something like total board power vs only the gpu consuption)
steam hardware survey also counts any old internet cafe pc, so who knows the exact numbers
There are sales numbers available that put AMD around the 10%-15% market share on gpus.
That survey is completely unreliable, there's way too many variables to consider that influence those numbers.
@@Dionyzosvariables like?
The Steam Hardware Survey is the best data we have. It's literally end user reported from a massive sample size, the best data possible.
I will say this. As an owner of 2 pc at my desk. I’ll have both on because one is used to stream. I might get one or two surveys on my 6800xt pc in a year but I get 4-6 per year on my 3080 12g pc.
I’ve noticed this for years.
A interesting bit of anecdotal info. So I don't know if you watch channels that talk about flipping PCs, but they have mentioned that more often than not that it is easier to sell PCs with Nvidia GPUs. Goes to show how much influence that Nvidia has even in used PC hardware sales.
i swapped from a 3090 to a 7900xtx red devil and the only thing im sad about is losing out on CUDA for music production stuff and AI processing. we have something called CEX in the uk that lets you trade in tech and i basically upgraded for only 150 gpb. totally worth it for that Smart Access Memory with my 7800x3d for gaming.
So amd gpus really do suffer from non gaming apps? Thats the only reason I have nvidia. Otherwise I'd go amd real quick.
@@ascissordollynamedgwen9409 they don't per say, I've just had to find alternative versions of stuff like Ultimate Vocal Remover that supports AMD cards instead of CUDA. It's just a huge pain in the ass to go and find alternative versions of stuff that work with AMD cards. Also AMDs version of NVENC for stuff like Sony Vegas isn't nearly as good for GPU rendering but it's still way faster than cpu rendering only.
So if you're doing AI stuff with your GPU or stuff that uses CUDA I probably wouldn't recommend one and would just pay the extra for a 4080 super or something
Is CUDA really that utilised in music production? Unlike 3D rendering with CUDA (now OptiX is way better with RT), music production doesn't seem that hardware intensive but obviously this is completely removed from my field of expertise as 3D generalist....
@@Micromation GPU Audio uses cuda and tensor cores I think.
I've noticed the same loud AMD fanboyz swarming other channels skewing results and content, like an echo chamber. But most gamers don't look at YT unless they have a problem. Then in Asia where most of the worlds population and gamers are its like 95% nvidia.
The steam hardware survey also includes the long tail of old hardware which probably skews even more for Nvidia. Even if there was a hypothetical recent change in the sales data it would be reflected in the hardware survey data rather slowly.
I have used AMD for years my friends new PC has the 7900 gre, but for every amd user there is basically 5 nvidia users. Most gaming laptops still are intel/nvidia, or even AMD/nvidia. MANY Prebuilts are made with nvidia, and productivity suites are optimized for nvidia so it's essentially the nature of the big green monster.
i had 7900XT, switched to 4070ti Super because of RT, DLSS. no regrets ...
Personal values determine purchase decisions. What a concept.
For what 4070TI S is slower than the 7900XT that was a bad move. That card is going to age like shit and it's already slower than the 7900XT you switched it for less performance so you can use DLSS lmfao
@@UKKNGamingdlss quality? dlss 3? amd fsr is even worse than 1 year old XeSS 😂😂😂 tfoh amdead famboy
@@UKKNGaming Guess what he can sell his Nvidia card when nextgen comes out and get 80% of his money back, the 7900XT will be worth 400 bucks on the used market. The another reason to buy Nvidia over AMD card is resale value.
@@UKKNGaming in cp2077, dying light2 it definetely wasnt faster. FSR is definition of shit. Dlss balanced on 4k looks better than fsr Q …