Install & Tune of the On3 Performance Forward Facing Turbo Kit - 2003 2v 4.6L Mustang GT
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- Install & Tune of the On3 Performance Forward Facing Turbo Kit - 2003 2v 4.6L Mustang GT
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We cant wait to get this thing back and get her going and making some real power!!! What do you guys think?
With the money U made from this video U could have fucking fixed it
lol. This video hasnt even made $20. We charge $150 / hr
I love how everyone thinks youtubers all make so much money....
$150 an hour holy fack is that CANADIAN dollars 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🙄
@@automafiaracing what supporting mods will I need for this @ 9-10 lbs of boost?
Looks like a clean install. I love it when people actually take pride in their work.
We do our best!
After having one of these (2001) and now having a Fox body with a 2V and a Holley, I don’t envy that customer and the issues he has to figure out. I like my holley ECU.
This is 100% why our 2v has a holley system too!
Good video kalob keep up the awesome work man
Thank ya. We will keep posting.
That's why I built a twin setup for min when it had a 2v in now it has a 302 in it and I have all the I need
sweet
Great video looking to turbo my cammed 2v
Sounds fun
In regards to the oil relocate kit blowing off; that's why I went for the MMR relocate kit with AN fittings, I always looked at that component as a weak spot of the on3 kit
Yeah it was fine once we fixed it
Hi, have you managed to have it fully tuned ? Any video of the results ? Any updates since april ?
We havent heard back from the customer as of yet
I'm installing one on a 97 4valve Cobra. I enjoy Hellion so much more
Yes we agree
I would use there piping since it’s pre set, and just upgrade rest turbo and all that fun stuff
We suggest that
Did you run into any problems tapping the oil pan on the side? I have had a bunch of people tell me the very front but just seeing what I should do
Ive always done the side, it's easier, more room and works well
cool build , we just start to work on ur 2v video, and adding a turbo would be nice 👍👍
They are good cars for sure
Lol . You can hate all you want . For the money nothing out there beat the ON3 kit . I know alot of 8 second mustangs on that kit .
It need alot of attention and changing to better parts but for the money .it's 👍👍👍
Yeah its good once you change out a ton of parts.
@@automafiaracing not a ton . A few .
I guess other do better with less the some with crazy expensive stuff .
You saying the parts that come with the kit ain't no good
Ditch some of the fittings and lines.. the turbo.. the wg.. the bov...
I have an 04 mustang gt and just ordered an On3 performance turbo. Do I have to move or adjust my upper and lower radiator hoses? I purchased a silicone hose kit and trying to decide if I need to send it back or not.
Yes hoses change with the kit some not all but the top for sure
Would this fit on a town car? It also has a 4.6 2v motor and would make a great sleeper
With some modifications im sure it can fit.
I’ve been debating for years now on doing a supercharger or turbo on my 97 Cobra but I still can’t decide. I’ve been looking into these On3 kits lately but can’t seem to find anything on CZcams involving 96-98 Cobras. I can usually only find videos on New Edge 2V cars or Fox bodies. I like the price on these kits but I try to remember the old saying “you get what you pay for”. I wonder if my stock ECU would have the same issues that this car had. I’ve always wondered at what point is it time to consider a standalone ECU…
Id skip anything on3. Just hit us up for a procharger and enjoy it.
It’s the ignition switch, had the same issue on my 02 gt
We checked it with a spare. Didnt change a thing.
Any thoughts (or videos) on the hellion single 62mm kit? Trying to figure out what I'm in for.
None at this time
Hellion kit is much nicer and includes EVERYTHING you need for installation and the instructions are absolutely AWSOME. Procharger and Hellion have the nicest forced induction kits & instructions in the industry
What do you like the 03 headers.
Can you use BBK short header in reverse
For header?
This is an On3 turbo kit. you might be able to make some shortys work in reverse im not sure.
Everyone complaining about the install on this, shouldn't be working on cars. Probably one of the easiest mods I've done to my 2v. Made over 700rwhp on this kit.
LoL. If it fit correctly then no one would be complaining. Also this was several years ago. They may have improved on their kits.
Do you think the issue with HPtuners is with this car or all 2v engines? I wanted to use it on a '07 Crown Vic instead of the SCT.
I'll be surprised if it makes 400whp @7psi assuming the engine is stock. I'd guess 360whp.
honestly this was the first 2v we have tried on the hptuners and I will not do it again. We will only use SCT on 2vs from now on. (this is what we did before)
@@automafiaracing I've been using hp tuners on my 2003 2v and have had good luck with it 🤷♂️ but then again I'm not boosted either
I'm pretty sure the same thing happened to that dude Jamery at fasterproms with his vic that they turboed with the HPtuners .. now that project is in the back burner
Lmfao
the rods are only good for 425hp
@@jamespurvis8880 it's not the hp that breaks things it's the tq brenspeed explain this on a lot of his stock motor 2 and 3 valve engine videos
I used the TeamZ K member with the FF on3 kit and had no interference with the driver's side header hitting. As a matter of fact I had about 3/8" clearance. I was using new engine mounts for what it's worth. Keep the vids coming, I enjoy the content.
Thank you~! Glad yours fit ok
Did it have the cutting out issue before the turbo kit was installed?
Customer said no, but we barely drove it before starting work. The car is pretty trashed, airbags blown, janky welds everywhere etc.
Questions do you think the on3 turbo kit on the 4.6 2valve works better than a Procharger on 4.6 2valve. What foi you recommend for a 4.6 2valve .
Personally id do the procharger
Do you recommend shorty headers or long tube headers? If I long tube headers on will still be able to pull transmission T3560 to replace clutch. Will I have to remove the long tube what would you recommend?
Long tube always
how much would it be if i had just the basic on3 70mm turbo and the boost gauge for y’all too install it and would just the basic one with no upgrade option come with everything for y’all too install
We charge $150/hr
I have a 2009 crown Vic, I can use the same turbo cuz the engines are the same right? Correct me if I’m wrong lmao I’ve jus been looking to turbo my car for a minute
Im not sure the engine bay is the same, so fitment wont be the same but the motor technically is yes.
Do you guys have any turbo parts available?? Or a entire kit I can’t find them on there website really want to turbo.
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Do you guy's make turbo kits for the v6 mustangs or just install and tune??
Yes we do.
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My ecu has this same problem when tuning it was cutting in and out with data, but I was told you need a new ecu and there won’t be any problems like that anymore
That's what we told the customer
For this being 4 yrs old, you guys are awesome for responding so soon🙌🏼 great video!
Any suggestions for a good reliable kit that cost a little more but not astronomically more
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Could this be modified to fit a 08 Crown vic?
Yes it could he modified to dit
You guys are the experts why could you have fixed the issue or swap it out? Giving it back to the customer incomplete seams disrespectful.
We dont work for free. If a customer doesnt want to pay us to do work, we arent going to do the work.
Quick question, you think think turbo kit fit on a 2005 f150 4.6?
No
Do you need a tubular k member for the kit to work?
Yes
Thinking of going this route on my 2v...never been into turbos. I currently have long tube headers. Will this work with those or would I have to go back to stock or use shorties??? I spun a bearing and motor is currently out and getting rebuilt so now is my time to decide which way I'm going
I wouldnt ever suggest an on3 turbo kit.
@@automafiaracing enlighten me please...I had it suggested by pretty well known race team as my next step if I want more power ...said I'm basically maxed out without forced induction...why not on3 and what would be your suggestions and why
@@automafiaracing I had others tell me go the route of pro charger less headache to install and more power but the price is pretty crazy on them also thought about building motor back with forged internals and just putting a bottle on it but when I said that everybody freaks on me and says don't do it you'll blow it up do a turbo....I know a guy been running his on a bottle for 5 years no issues it's not a daily but we do like to play and hit cruises as well
I'm just not a fan of on3. Never have never will be. Quality, customer service, etc.
Ik this is late but I believe your headers are completely replaced with a turbo manifold aren’t they?
How much for this setup? I did a compression test on my 170k motor everything came out good would you recommend rebuilding
Timing system for sure and oil pump
If youre going to open up a 2v, you might as well replace the pistons and rods and heads. This way you arent limited around 450 rwhp and you can bump it up to 500+ with more boost.
Did you ever get the car back and figure out what it made on dyno? And do you know if the motor was built at all?
motor was bone stock and we havent heard from the customer again.
Does it have a different fuel pump upgraded one
Yes we upgraded the pump
Get it together auto mafia. Use hp tuners to tune. Sct to log. Simple. Cheaper than sct for everything
We prefer sct
If I used forged rotating assembly how much boost can stock block take. I'm wanting 400 reliable hp to the back tire
the BLOCK can take alot. 1500+
Watch your rpms and avoid slamming your drive train
Where are you guys held at? I got a 4.6 that I would like to turbo
Billings Montana
I would like to have a power adder to my 04 mustang GT so I think I will just add a NOS it is cheaper. If I ever have to rebuild my engine then I will stroke it
send it
I have a 1997 gt , before I switch to turbo . How much hp can I make with my vortech v-1 s trim? My goal is to make about 650rwhp is this unrealistic? Car is completely stock with 40k miles besides the vortech system
You would need a built.motor a lot of boost but yes a vortech can do it
@@automafiaracing thanks for the response, I went to the dyno today & with the v-1 s trim it made 277whp & 305tq , they told me because I have non pi heads is the reason why my numbers are so low. So I’m just going to buy a complete engine (99 or newer)& piece things together.
How much boost?
How much boost?
@@automafiaracing just under 10lbs, I have non pi heads
Hp tuners has been great for tuning but horrible for the data logging side of it.
Yeah kinda just depends on the model
At least it had a k member... little more room
100% true
So whatever happened to the Mustang did you ever get a chance to tune it did the customer get the ECU right or what
Last i heard he sold the car and got something newer
Sounds like a supercharger would be easier to install - especially for those of us that don't have access to a shop lift.
Much easier
So I’m having the same issue with my ecu cutting out when data logging. How did you fix this problem?
We didnt customer didnt come back
@@automafiaracing would a Holley terminator stand alone fix the issue?
Yes
We have one in stock for a 2v
Do you have a website?
How much does it cost? I have an 03 I want done myself
About $7500 all said and done
I have plenty of questions to ask you about the on3 turbo kit can you get back with me please
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Do you think this kit & tubular k member could be installed in a weekend in a drive way? Did the kit also come with instructions? I never done something this large but I want to get my order placed if it's doable?
This isn't the easiest kit to install and the directions aren't that good
So what would you recommend? This is my daily driver but if I have to wait a week or two I will. But I just don't want to pay the money to get it done if it's some what doable on jack stands ya know? What's your honest opinion?
Where are you guys located? I need a on3 kit installed in my 2v
Arcadia, FL
Auto Mafia Racing what would you guys charge for the same setup. I have a a v6 and a Gt but I want my v6 to have turbos.
@@MM_45 sell it and get a cobra or 2v
@@Dungappy he has a gt
Good video! But how much would a kit and installation like this cost?
The kit and installation of pump, injectors, plugs, gauges, etc and a tune run in total parts and labor in the $5k-$7500 range depending on options.
@@automafiaracing My GOD, WHY?!!? Why in the hell would ANYONE do that when an LS swap WITH TURBO can be done for HALF of that and be done and tuned doing burnouts making 600 to 700 at the wheels? This blows my mind.... I don't hate the 2v... I have 2 of them. But there's no way in hell I would ever spend that kind of cash on one when an LS is so much stronger and cheaper...And I know... maybe a bit more than half the cost but, not much.
@@tngtacticalmiata1219 because chevy is cheap and shitty. that's why half the cost and most parts are versatile so very easy to up chevy power. Ford is pay to play.....
@@eddiedaugherty7063 cheap, maybe but, shitty? I understand the almost irresistible need to hate on the LS but, they make big power and live a long time doing it. Aaaand they're compact as hell...
F*ck it.... I'm ls swapping my vic.
You talked me into it.😂
Dang
What comes with the kit and how much did it cost
we dont sell this kit
Where are y’all located ?
Arcadia, FL
How much would you charge to install this kit on a 02 2v
$150/hr. Depends on what all options. Kit and fuel pump and gauges and everything else will run 10+ hrs.
Auto Mafia Racing so between 3,000$-5000$ ??? Also can you guys do it on my V6
Yes we can make a custom kit for about $5k
where did he buy the bumper support?
We sell it
Got it off of lmr
The cutting out is an issue with the SCT and datalogging. Unhook the SCT and the cut out goes away.
It does it without logging it, and it does it on HP Tuners as well as on SCT.
@@automafiaracing That's odd, I had the exact issues. I took the xcal out to my expedition which has ran fine for 250,000 miles and it did the exact same thing. Tach drop out and cutting out. Switched to a new xcal and problem resolved. It doesn't make sense since the xcal is a pass through. But mine did it on seperate cars only when plugged in for datalogging. Put a dvom on a reference wire to a sensor and see if it's a voltage issue dropping out. If not, put a dvom on a ground source to a sensor to see if it's ground cut out. Take the SCT device and laptop to another Ford of the same generation of processors and attempt datalogging only with a laptop. See if you duplicate concern. Brian
Yeah weve used them with no issues. It's a brand new sct x4. Customer doesnt want to pay for us to find the issue or we would figure it out. If it were our car we would have already figured it out ;)
I love how many times i see when someone has an issue, fix it, and then think it must be positively be the only possible thing that would be wrong on someone elses ride.
Peoples cars have tons of issues
Where is your shop located? I need some heads and cams installed.
We are in Billings, Montana but we are not taking on any shop work right now.
@automafiaracing ok, thanks. It was a bit of weird project anyway. It's a 5.4l step van and I also have a procharger to put on it. Too big of a truck maybe.
Yeah odd but cool project. We are just focusing on finishing existing builds right now and then finishing design and testing on some new products. We no longer have an in house mechanic so we arent doing general mechanical work.
@automafiaracing that's cool man. Thx
what was the charge for an install for that??
$100/hr
@@automafiaracing i think he was asking full price, number of labor hours
Dont remember. We charge more for on3 kits since they are always kinda iffy
I got a 97 gt 4.6 bone stock. 122k. What would you recommend doing for a bit more power. Besides bolts on, what would you recommend? Not looking for a huge increase. Just something fun that isnt crazy pricey or cheap/dumb enough to blow my motor. Cams, procharger? Turbo? Want to do the least engine work possible lol
That would depend on your budget. Boost is always the right answer but its the cheapest. We love Procharger kits and can get you a deal on one.
@@automafiaracing if i went the procharger route what supporting mods would i need? Price range will be roughly 5-10k.
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I hear you guys but at least you'll have a lift, I did the swap in my driveway with my Sn95 Mustang sitting on Jack's.. LoL 😂🤣😂 ALL it did was fried the 4r70w transmission and only gave me 200+ hp and a butt load of torque... Was a fun kit but wished I upgraded on the turbos.. Now, I'm pulling the whole drivetrain and figuring out what to replace it with. I have a LS3 swap sitting in it but thinking big block Chevy...🤔🤫
send it with the LS or a coyote
Was that motor knocking?
nope
Think a bad tob
Probably
Any update?
Nah man this is like 5 years ago. Pretty sure the customer sold the ca4
Dang a whole 400whp out of a turbo! Man imagine getting a LS and just slapping heads and cam on and having more NA... or turbo it and make 200 more! I wish mustang wasnt shit but then again they wouldn't be cheap if they didn't suck
I mean it is old. But push rod motors do respond well to HCI modding
@jeffrey edinger not really a turd lol even stock these things ran a 5.2 0-60 everyone seems to forget they are lighter than every other muscle car by a solid 1,000 pounds lol
Very true kight weight
This is true as well hahaha
how much was that install?
$100/hr
I bet anything it was the crank positioning sensor causing your issue 💯
Maybe
How much does it cost to send in a 2v yo get it turbocharged
Depends what all you want.
@@automafiaracing to get it installed and tuned
Dyno tune is $750
Install of kit, injectors, boost gauge, wideband, exhaust, fuel sysetm, runs $2500-$4000+ depending on what exact parts are going in.
@@automafiaracing where are u guys located!
Arcadia, FL
What’s it cost to get it installed ?
Lmk when u find out
$150/hr. ON3 kits can be a pain to install. Normal price will be $1500-$3500 depending on what all we are installing and if we are dyno tuning as well.
Drop a 3.7 in the newedge! I've been trying to do it for years
It's not hard to 3.7 swap a new edge at all
@@automafiaracing i know Its just been very hard for me to do my swap because of resources and the fact that my car is in Virginia and I'm in sc lol I've also been fighting with the VA trying to get my disability started but they suck
Just need a parts car and an afe k member. Done.
@@automafiaracing i already have the k-member and cross member for the trans. The hard part for me is getting said parts car. I want to make videos on this swap because nobody is doing it.
Most if they are gonna spend the money will just go v8
How much does a job like this cost
we charge $150/hr labor rate plus parts
I don't think it was the ECU you should have checked the knock position sensor
Nothing to do with a knock sensor
2v don't have knock sensors. Every time I've seen the gauges do this is voltage drop.
When you get those dashes on dash that means ecu has no power my car had blown fuse but what I don’t get this car is running lol must be a Ford thing who knows
It was blowing our minds as well not gonna lie
It’s just hp tuners for our cars, did the same thing on mine
how much does a job like this cost?
Couple grand
@@automafiaracing is it more or less than 3000?
Depends all what labor is being done
So you’re telling me as a shop you took on a full turbo build and you failed to discuss ECU and tuning before the deal was set
Where did you get that idea lol.
No part 2?! 🤷🏽♂️
I think the customer probably got another car. That one was in VERY bad shape.
@@automafiaracing dang
Ouch
Wow, all that work and expense for 400 WHP???? Expected at least 600WHP for that type of setup.
Short Block won't take more than 550
@@automafiaracing short block won’t take much more than 450 wheel
How did you come up with this expectation? Boost usually gives a car 7% more power. He’d have to be close to 18psi for that! Stock block can’t handle much more than 12 and that’s pushing it
@@abasiczombie.
The block can handle 600whp easy, the sleeves are the weak point on a 2v mod motor. With a conservative tune it could do it. I have a 3.8L V6 making 400 whp. Have raced it for years.
@@robertwood3970 actually the rods and pistons are the weak point. Yes the block can hold the power but the internals on a stock 2v aren’t forged. Your 3.8 has the same internals stock, just minus 2 cylinders. Given the same boost, the 4.6 2v v8 will make more than your V6. And given that they both have the same internals(stock), they’ll hold a certain amount of pressure per capita of their size. The stock internals on a 2v will only hold 500 horsepower to the crank and that’s if it has a ton of fuel. 4v mod motors can hold 500 crank reliably. Yes, some can go higher and some pop way lower, but the average is 400-450whp for a 2v with 8-10psi
Sounds like LS swap time ;)
I mean if he wants to lol
Or you could just upgrade the rods and pistons for a couple grand total and turn it up to much higher levels and you wouldn't have a bastard child car with the wrong engine in the and the car would still sound sick. Why go through all the bs to ls swap a 4.6 turbo mustang when all you gotta do to make WAY More power with the current power plant is upgrade the rods and pistons that alone is good for 600-700! Eaailh if you also upgrade to an 8 bolt forged crank while you're in there sky's the limit especially if it is a teksid block 4.6. No need to swap anything other than bottom end parts.
Ya blew off I don’t by it
The oil feed line? Yeah 100% did we had it on video. 100% fixed with AN lines tho
Im sorry but those engines are not built for any bolt on performance whatsoever, they're just daily drivers
Hey dont be talking like that about the good lil 2v! It does its best!
Why would you want to spend the money to put a turbo on a ragged out 2V? If the car was in good condition that's one thing. I mean this car has never been loved at all looks like.
We honestly thought the same thing
Maybe it’s for a younger car guy or girl🤷🏼♂️Ik my 2v isn’t the fastes and isn’t the cleanest but I still like trying to do stuff to it
Gregory Haha yeah I don't really care how my car looks just wanna go fast. Speed>looks.
Amen thats why all our fast cars are def not ahow cars
dont waste your time put holley on it
Agreed
So a customer brings you a running car with no issues,
Pays you a ton of $$$$ to install a Turbo kit that hundreds of other people have installed without an ECU Issue, and all you guys do is say sorry buddy,
Btw that'll be a couple grand for the install!!! Make sure you bring it back to us when you figure out what we Fd up so we can tune it for you and blow it up LMAO! pretty sure this guy NEVER came back🤣 You should take this video down.. Its bad for business
We only stopped because the customer asked us to. We dont work for free and i wouldnt expect anyone else to
@@automafiaracing BELIEVE ME... I would never ask or expect anyone to perform a service for free... My point is... If he brought the car in and the ECU was fine, Then would I be crazy to think that just maybe you guys did something to cause the problem... I mean if the engine blew or the trans bit the dust.. well that would atleast make sense considering the age of the car... But the ECU suddenly has problems? I know it happens but its not likely..
Anyway us Mustang guys are constantly being raped by shops.. For instance I called to get a quote from Lamotta in Fl... They did a Vortech supercharger in my 95 Cobra 12yrs ago and did fantastic work. The bill was 700$ for the install AND dyno tune... The quote for my 2001 vortech non intercooled was 1500$ not tuned... Just one example, I could go on for days.. Anyway it just seems like you guys should have gone the extra mile for the guy. He probably put everything he had into that.. Imagine how much better this vid would have been had you guys fixed the prob and did the dyno tune... People watching would think... Damn! These guys give a shit, thats were Im taking my car...
Wish you guys the best man.
Yeah you didnt look close..this car.was junk. Like it was terrible. We couldnt figure out why he was dumping that much cash into it.
We do our best to treat every customer the same. If they come in with a Ferrari or a Honda. No special treatment.
What a waste lol
lol
On geader 🔩 bolts .you better love your mustang otherwise "you get stock manifolds
Lol
How much do you charge for install on the 2v?
We charge $100-$150/hr
How many hours tho
Quite a few
@@automafiaracing quite a few as in 24+ hours or like 5 hours cause i’m willing to pay a grand or 2 too get it installed so i don’t screw anything up
Normally we charge $3500 for install and tune of our turbo kits. With on3 fitment can be sketch so then it can cost more