GoPro VS Reality - It always looks smaller on video
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- čas přidán 3. 01. 2017
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This right here, is called a wearable gimbal. It runs on batteries, holds a GoPro, and gets mounted to a chest strap. It makes your footage look really smooth. Before wearable gimbals became affordable, CZcams channels like BK-XC, Singletrack Sampler, and Nate Hills were not really possible. Watching unstabilized GoPro footage is cool for a few seconds, but starts to make you dizzy after a while. I should know, as I’ll look through hours of it to get the clips I need for my videos. Sometimes I need to take a break, or take a Tylenol.
In any case, I think action cameras in general give you a skewed sense of the actual terrain. Gimbal footage, while smooth and pleasant to watch, can further hide some of the features that are clearly visible in real life. The three channels I mentioned do a great job of showcasing the terrain with action cameras-probably better than anyone else out there. Still, I assure you that those trails look way bigger and scarier in real life.
To give you an idea of what these guys are actually riding, I put together some comparison clips. Here’s a clip shot on my Hero5 Session with onboard stabilization. Here’s that same section shot with a Hero4 Black on a wearable gimbal. And here’s that section on my Panasonic G7. It looks somewhat similar on all cameras, since it’s on smooth and flowy terrain. Here’s another similar clip shot on the Session. And on the gimbal. Finally, on the G7. You can get a better sense of the terrain in the third person clip.
Let’s try something more technical. Here, I’m riding down some rocks with the gimbal on. Let’s see that again. How big do you think that rock was? Let’s see it once more with the Hero Session. Although shaky, we can see those rocks a little better now without the gimbal. But, I bet you didn’t think they were as tall as me. Shot 3rd person, we can see they’re a little bigger.
Here’s a step down off wooden platform, shot with the gimbal. How big would you say it is? Let’s try with the Hero Session. Okay, now we’re starting to see not only the drop, but the gap between the wooden platform and the landing. Now shot from different perspective it starts to look way different. As you can see, the GoPro footage doesn’t even come close to revealing the size of this drop.
Some stuff will look about the same when viewed from either a first person or third person angle. Flowy terrain in particular doesn’t change dramatically. It’s when things get bumpy that you really lose a sense of what you’re looking at. Here’s a little patch of rocks filmed with the gimbal. Here’s the same patch with just a GoPro. And third person. Very doable by most mountain bikers, but still it looks like nothing when shot from the chest mount.
Let’s take a look at something different. Here’s a little jump section with wooden lips. I actually think the GoPro does a decent job in this case, of showing what they look like. On the camera though, you can see the nose bonk at the beginning, and the true steepness of the lips. On the GoPro you can barely see the nose bonk, and the lips look really mellow. This would also be the case for steep climbs, which probably look mellow on a GoPro.
Even the stuff shot on my G7 looks bigger in real life, because of lost depth perception, but the shallow depth of field brings a little of it back. By that, I mean that the focus is sharper in one part of the image than another. GoPro cameras by design, are made to bring the whole image into focus because they’re supposed to capture the entire scene. This, along with the wide angle lens, tends to flatten out the terrain.
So why would a camera designed to capture action be made like this? Why don’t they design GoPros to pick up the relief in the terrain? Well, let’s see what that would look like. Here, I’m riding on a very smooth trail with a high end Sony Camcorder. It has a floating lens for stabilization, plus a skilled cameraman holding it. How would you like to watch that all day? Yeah, a narrow field of view doesn’t work so well for first person footage. It would be like looking through binoculars on a jetski. So action cameras are not perfect but they are the best tools we have for the job. Having seen this video, I’d suggest you go back to the channels I mentioned and watch those videos with a fresh perspective. I’ll leave some links in the description for their channels, as well as all my gear in case you’re interested. Also, I’d like to thank my subscriber, Charlie Seymour for getting me a discount on this Hero5 Session. I left a link to his Instagram below.
BKXC: / @bkxc
The Singletrack Sampler: / @the_sampler
Nate Hills: / @natehills9388
Charlie Seymour's Instagram: charlie.sey...
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Seth I'm frustrated it DOES always look smaller on video and my gf is unimpressed
Had the same happen to me, my wife thought I was only riding mellow trails from the 'on board' footage but after placing the camera to capture 3rd person views (trailside on a few of the larger & gnarlier features) now she thinks I have gone completely crazy! sometimes we just can't win either way.. As long as You are having fun it's all good :-)
maybe you need to water the "bushes" until it grows
EastAyrshire RadioSociety Ha! My wife thinks I'm nuts riding what I do when she sees what I ride. Good thing she doesn't know what it really looks like. 😁
salamander man Nyes Nyeeees
Maybe you should use a zoom to impress her.
You are the best promoter of other channels.
I need to give credit where it's due!
What do you think of Alafia state park.
Seth's Bike Hacks you are the best
Seth's Bike Hacks where was the park you recorded or what's it called if i may ask?
@@johnko5577 I know this is way late but that trail is Santos in Ocala Florida. Those jumps are in the Vortex area which has its own parking area but you can get there from the main trail head. Alex from Singletrack Sampler did a video on the Widowmaker area at Santos, that is a cool feature.
Thanks for the shout out Seth! Keep crushing. Many of my viewers like to leave comments like " I remember when that trail used to be rough" or, " that trail has been sanitized"...... Makes me laugh ever time, just the gimbal doing work. I can't even watch non-gimbal footage anymore after staring at 4K smoothness for hours on end.... Makes my head hurt! Haha, nice video.
the ting is if he used the go pro on teh hekmet the image would look very better and you could see the jumps and teh drops way better
and steep trails looks flat... I hate this
simonExplorer yep 😢
Michele Caprari ehi ciao
simonExplorer ciao :)
Steep trails look like a wall. They look much shallower when viewed from the side.
But you know when it looks steep on a video, there is no way in hell you could even walk it in real life.
/watch?v=IA-547yV5-I at 4:40...
Thanks for the love, buddy! Dear god that drop was massive!! I keep making excuses about not getting third person shots, gotta force myself to get em.
I'm too lazy to stop and take some 3th person shots, maybe I should add taking them to my new year's resolutions :D
My problem with 3rd person shots is setting the camera up and staring at the obstacle makes me talk myself out of doing it! It's easiest to just send it after just glancing at it for a few seconds.
that profile picture looks familiar...lol
? i dont get it
i have the same one...
Thats what she said.
Sgt. Squirtle thats what HE said
yep, more like HE hahah
Its she cuz why would a man say that?
I KNEW THAT FIRST COMMENT WILL BE THATS WHAT SHE SAID. :D :D
Sgt. Squirtle I
The only time the “GoPro effect” is beaten is when it’s Sam pilgrim or if it’s at Rampage
I like poo
Fornite memes Official damn bro that’s really cool
Fornite memes Official that’s deep man
Nah its still there it is just so extreme that it even looks with the effect extreme
Telephoto vs wide angle lenses makes a difference
In my opinion for a gimbal video it's essential that you can see a part if bike, e.g. the handle bar, as it moves around. This gives you an idea of how rough the terrain actually was that you were riding. Otherwise it just looks like you were floating above the trail. I also like to record in a 4:3 format to capture more from the trail, and the use non-linear stretching to bring the footage back into a 16:9 format. As far as I know the GoPro supports this as SuperView, for other cameras you need to do this yourself when processing the video. Personally I use an AviSynth filter, but there are a couple of plugins for Premiere Pro or other video editors out there (also known as dynamic stretching).
On my channel I'm uploading videos from my local area using this setup. Action and skill wise not even close to what Seth is doing, just "normal" riding as I'd like to make a collection of all the trails here, but it should be sufficient to illustrate how this might look.
+sp00n I do the same! Whenever there are sharp turns though I just crop the clip to 16:9, but everything is filmed in 4:3 for extra wiggle room.
Couldn't agree more with the framing. Having the bars in view, shaking violently, offers amazing perspective when everything else in the frame is smooth as butter. This is mandatory for perspective, otherwise it's just hover-biking...
Yo I subbed! I don’t have a gimbal but I’m trying to get a video where you can actually see my bike not just me floating.
Video title: "allways looks smaller on video"
14 year olds: pfffff
ZippsFimity and by 14 year olds ya mean me
Lol i got the joke
Gimbals take away lot of the action from action camera footage.
Tommi Kivimäki that true but I could never watch, nor record, non stabilized content any more. It's like a dropper. Once you go gimbal you don't go back.
Tommi Kivimäki not really
I would struggle to watch it without stabling with the stuff Seth does but I c what u mean
@@bradleymtb9323 buy seth doesn't do anything hardcore
@@Roaming50 hero 7.
What a great video Seth! Thank you. My kids got me a WG gimbal for Christmas (They said it was because they love that I'm back into MTB and want to encourage me to keep riding. I think they are tired of getting nauseous while watching anything I record) You guys are doing great things to get folks into riding. I love that!
i saw this video of a trail and a drop at the trail and it looked like a decent sized drop. when I got there the drop was like as tall as my garage and I was like shit this things huge
Yeah watch seth's video on his first MTB ride on his P7. That big drop then jump is actually vertical and much taller than my roof! Absolutely insane, that trail graviton.
Haha same thing happened to me I watched a video of a local trail when I first started riding to see if it was good for noobs, it seemed pretty mellow on video.... NOT!
This is turning into a videography class. But, since it's really well done and from a biker's perspective, I'm all good with it.
Well done all as always Seth. Keep the variety coming.
Congrats on 200k! I love that more and more people can appreciate your great content!
Thanks for shouting out those channels. I am new to mountain biking and need all the help I can get!
If only everyone in the world could see this video to do us bikers justice. Also, first!
Wonton Soup I agree it is so annoying looking though old footage just to see a 6ft drop look like a smooth roller
Wonton Soup yeah often technical sections can just look like some small pebels
Same case in motocross. 150ft table top looks like a 10ft jump from first person. Also doesn't capture how high you really are.
Clummzy Dummzy definitely
Not only bikers, I practice enduro , and same happens. But the worst situation is skying in stiff places, it looks half the stifness it is in reality...
Me: "Oh that looks cool, I might get that!"
Amazon: "Buy now for only $249.99"
absolutely love your vids Seth. I always wonder what you might do next and you never fail to impress.
All of your videos have inspired me to start going on trails and looking after my bike more
The stabilization does not make the terrain look easier, but it prevents the viewer from getting nauseous. You need to listen to the suspension and tires in both cases to really gauge what is happening. To really show it, you would need an additional frame-mounted camera pointed about horizontally.
thanks Seth for the lesson on action cameras. Although, I won't be buying a GoPro action camera, your tips on field of view will help me make my choice buying my action camera of choice. I won't be getting a gimble for my level of biking skill and video skill as I can't see it being utilized they way you do. thanks again for all the videos, and keep them coming! Now it's time for truly Canadian winter bike ride in -25 degree Celsius weather! Burrr!
Love it! Great video! Not just a doer but a teacher of the trade. Love soaking up from people like you. Your awesome and skilled at what you do and seem really interested in adding value to other people's lives by helping them grow too. My husband, kids and I love watching your videos. 😊
I find the same to be true for trail riding with my Jeep. I travel to Hardrock Off Road park in Ocala quite often and the go pro footage pails in comparison on climbs and downhill descents. It looks so tame on video but in real life it sometimes is a pucker moment. I wish there was a way to get the a true perspective shot. Thanks Seth for putting out quality videos every week. I don't even ride a mountain bike but have been watching your entertaining channel for about a year now.
PiP, problem solved. Mount a gimbal to the chinstrap of a full helmet, mount a go pro to your chest and put that footage small in the corner to give a shake perspective.
You should be able to tune the response of the gimbal faster right?
redbull rampage IN PERSON is suicide! cheers Seth
I got an action camera for Christmas, after putting it on my bike and screwing around with it to get the right angle I took it off, threw it in my bag and went back to just riding my bike. If I want to see good bike videos I'll just watch this channel. Action cameras are too much work. Thanks for all you do Seth.
Great video Seth! Liked seeing the comparisons. One thing that really helps show the trail more accurately, is having someone ride ahead of you. Follow cam type footage does a pretty good job of showing the trails true gnarlyness.
Great vid, as always. I don't recommend using a chesty when jumping your bike though. A friend of mine (who is excellent at jumping his bike) crashed and landed on his chest with the camera on. In short, he had a broken sternum and was out for the whole season. :(
Jojo Aspi Damn good tips, anyway better on the helmet
Jojo Aspi did he wear some protection for his chest?
Valentin Garcia it is almost impossible to wear the gimbal and the camera on your helmet it is to heavy and your helmet probably would tilt all the time. also footage would be bad because of the angle.
Vanadium No chest protection
No need of the gimbal on a helmet.... It is really stable but seems really to easy and slow! That's why we want to put the camera on the chest and then it shakes too much!
Great video Seth! Happy New Year!
Nice video Seth! You're easily in the top 5 list of mine to watch for mountain biking! Keep it up!
So cool to see the Vortex in your video. Florida has some fun trails.
"This right here is a wearable gimbal"
*dances to a groovy beat*
The best feel for a trail I have gotten from video was bkxc riding with kmetz and trailing him. watching him shred was impressive, and somehow made the trail more real. I am not sure exactly what it was in his setup that did it, but it felt much more visceral. better than other follow cam footage I have seen. not sure if that was just the riding or something about the camera gear?
Kevin Coe following someone always looks cool, but that video in particular was awesome!
I think that terrain was so rough that it made it through in sight and sound!
I think seeing someone in third person up ahead like Phil helped emphasize the technicality of the trail and terrain while still getting the benefits of the first person rider in the back. Have to agree with Seth that video was particularly awesome, Phil's style points were off the chart.
Can you please give us a link to that video. Thanks!
BKXC the field of view being set to medium helped too, I think. when fov is too wide you focus less on the trail and the rider in front of you, or at least things seem smaller in comparison.
Very well done! I am an big fan, but I have to admit I wasn't too excited about the title of this one, until I watched it. I loved the comparisons. I had no idea the terrain was so challenging and the drops so far until you showed the third person video.
You should mount a gopro on the back of the bike, that way you can show a different prospective of a jump or a drop for example
Seth, could you do an updated video on all your filming gear?
One of the best things about your videos is that you use the actual sound of the ride and not a music overlay. I listen to the amount of chatter the bike makes to discern how rough the trail is and also the then length of sound pause when you jump or drop for an indication of height. Great POV, great audio, great rides. Keep up the good work.
Great stuff, Seth! Amazing to see the difference in terrain with the three camera options....particularly the gap/drop! Video never seems to do justice to the gnarliness (tm) of the terrain, but it's crazy to see the obvious differences among the cameras we use. Thanks for the video!
Hey Seth,
Do you think that you would be able to review different action cameras for trail riding for people on a budget? Great video!
well thanks alot for some good informations for filming. I will use this knowledge in my future videos.!
And dude, aswome and high quality content in this video, we don't see this a lot.
Really dig that you include those 3rd person views on your channel, makes all the difference!
Man.. I remember the old days, when things like the black eye headband camera where state of the art. Wobbly 360p images, recordered with a camcorder in the backpack, and we were stoked about it.
How fast things change....
Can you do a video explaining all you mountain biking injuries
this makes me want to mountain bike
give it a go!
Dew it
Thank for taking out the time to show this. Your 3rd person shots are amazing.
thanks!
Great video Seth. You do a fantastic job with all your videos. Keep it up!
Summary of this video
Seth: “GUYS, I swear I send it!”
do a video of the companion bike seat from Amazon
I've always wondered how the camera flowed so well! Sweet accessory!
that was actually impressive. Nice job seth, keep it up
Can you speed up the gimble's rotation speed?
Anonymus they don't have that feature, but in theory this would cause the gimbal to respond to smaller movements and make the video less stable.
It would have to be a compromise but I think the improved responsiveness would be worth it, it's unfortunate it doesn't support it. I think this concept would be similar to rebound on suspension systems.
Anonymus yes you can, I can on my Rider M anyway. You can adjust all 3 axis speeds and how fast they track.
Yea I can set up my Rider M so it can match where I'm riding.
Anonymus not if your a Mac user. No app for Mac for the WG gimbal. This is a pain as I can't straighten horizon either. (See a full review for
It on my channel)
this park is sick!! where is this???
Florida!
Santos in Ocala!
Seth's Bike Hacks ha I live in Florida.
hayden singletary I'm sorry
EGHworth don't be. it's really fun, at least where I'm at. I'm in Tallahassee.
Excellent video and comparison, really well thought-out. It should be part of a hypothetical "Action Camera Videography 101" course. Keep the great stuff coming Seth.
damn its always GREAT coming back To channels ive not watched in ages... I just want congratulate you on 200K subs ive not watches in months keep up the great work seth!
I'm really good at biking I swear. All this to get others to understand the level of skill you have? Who cares.
Kenny Rodger EXACTLY A TRUE BIKER DOESN'T CARE.
Now I get why Brian's content looks like child play.
Wow never knew these thing's, super informitive video! thanks for the lil lesson I truely did enjoy it.
P.s. all these biking channel's are insane, those trails look so sketchy with all the overgrowth, roots, rocks and sharp turns, while you all fly down em. Freaking mad props to all y'alls! these vids always make me smile... So thank you all
That wooden jumped section looked super fun!
Use a ibuprofen instead. It is better
Same shit different shoes
Can Charlie get me a discount on a session too?
Awesome! Third person views really give you a sense of the terrain!
great video, it's funny when I first started riding I would watch videos of good riders on my local trails to see the best lines. There were plenty of times where I realized the trails were way gnarlier in person than on GoPro. Now when I record my vids I usually follow someone or have someone follow me which I think gives the best perspective on a trail with the GoPro . I would love a gimbal but I crash a lot and would hate to break it.
money = lie
+louiscrasher ?
louiscrasher if you say so
hay do you live by Santos I live in Ocala your videos are amazing
louiscrasher what mate?
How about stop feeding your ego on social media and you wont have this problem.
That makes a lot of sense. I'd highly suggest using a feature on action cameras called 'Distortion correction'. It helps. It might solve your problem too, Seth. Very interesting topic.
Super well made video, that isnt too nerdy but isnt too flat either. I subbed.
Great perspective. Hadn't thought about this so in depth before.
Hey this is the first time i seen this channel and it actually makes me want to go into dirt trails again. I done it once before and it was really fun
I just had to subscribe
With as new as I am to the sport it could just be lack of experience, but I've never really thought that the features shown in your videos feel smaller than they are. As you've mentioned before, you utilize sound just as much as you would video, and this along with the mindset that the features are modified results in the feature not being perfectly visualized, but still being very clued in on just how gnarly they really are. There is also the fact that secondary footage also realizes to footage, I feel both are important.
Wow, Thanks for the perspective about perspective. This will help my bike video shooting a lot.
This was a great video idea Seth, nice work.
Great stuff Seth. I ride some steep technical downhill, all the CZcams footage shows it ok, but not the fact you'd struggle to get down using hands and feet!
Third person perspective is great, I hadn't really thought that before, Ali Clarkson does some good shots of his trials riding, first person whilst he practices his line, switching to third person once he cleans it.
Congratulations on 210,000 subs Seth! :-) Enjoying your videos & love your 'no bullsh*t' approach to explaining stuff. Keep up the fine work & have a great 2017 :-)
Great video and explanation of everything that has been in my head since I started riding, some of the bike parks I go to are terrifying and the GoPro doesn't do the footage or the sport any justice!
Hi Seth, I now know shy all ski movies are shot 3rd person, it just looks so much better. I realize it would make pushing out content much more difficult but its just looks so much better. Thanks and take care
Great video Seth. It helps explain why I've needed to go to the chiropractor after riding some of the same trails as you.....but wondering why they look so smooth on your videos.
What also flattens out the terrain is the fact that you have to look up the terrain to see the subject, effectively flattening the terrain.
What would be a good test would be a gymball/flat camera out to the side showing the actual steepness off the lips of the jumps/steep areas.
Great perspective Seth, i actually kind of enjoy the raw perspective of no gimbal kind of gives you a real feel of the trail.
Me too! Thats why I havent bought one yet. Not using gimbal works quite well at least for my videos if You dont put too much shaky stuff in a row.
I agree. For short clips I think it's much more captivating. With that said, someone like Brian could not do a 15 minute video without a gimbal, since it's just too disorienting.
I just bought a Hero 11 for Great White diving next year. Now I'm talked with how to record my rides. Thanks for the info
It's like you've read my mind! I just commented on one of Brian's New Zealand video's "those climbs look killing, and we all know that if it looks steep on GoPro it's probably near vertical in real life"!
This makes those near death Go Pro footage videos even more intense
A one axis gimbal is great on the seat post looking back. That a way you can keep the horizon steady and see the bike work.
Awesome Video! I thought about that issue before but i never thought it was that extreme.
So happy you made this video.
A while ago on my Instagram I posted me doing a 2m jump on my BMX and a kid at my school wrote something along the lines of “bullshit that’s barely 1 meter get your eyes checked.” I was just laughing and later deleted the post because it looks so small on camera.
Can confirm, its similar with whitewater kayaking. The rivers feel amazing and waterfalls look and feel high when you sit in your boat, but on gopro footage a lot of things look pretty ridiculous :)
Excellent work Seth
I see you we're at Santos up in Ocala, absolutely beautiful park man!
Wow, your sub base has been growing so quick! At 200k to start of 2017 man!
Helmet mount is my preferred method. Although you don't see handlebars (which adds to the "POV" sense) it still shows the viewers every angle you look at. No worries about angling the mount. If the terrain is SO choppy that your head is shaking, the camera picks up the motion to give the viewer the experience
Keep using the gimbal please... The smooth footage makes it look like might be able to ride those trails. Which is much more motivating to take my old 26" hardtail out onto my local little forest trail and give it a shot, than watching the really insane lines I'll never be able to master in this lifetime.
Great video Seth! You should do a relative speed video comparing going 20mph on the street vs on the trail.
This is the first video I watched of you when it got released! :D
Yeah, you put it all in perspective for me when you followed Nate down that crazy line in Utah then showed the pic from instagram. Cray!
Great comparison. When I watch footage I do think into these things and I guess most don't
Very interesting comparisons. I don't think it's quite as noticeable when used on a road bike, but it does still distort things a bit even in that format.
Very nice job! thanks for posting this; it certainly helps to validate some of the videos I'd taken in the past I've tried to show friends of mine after coming down something extremely treacherous that looked tame! I rode Kitsuma once on a Trek 6500 H/T CONVERTED to Avid mechanical rear disc using the extremely Innovative at the time Brake Therapy product. I was on a decent 4.5" RockShox fork- don't even remember which one, but the parts of this ride I filmed were steep, the drops were about my height of 6', but didn't look near that high on the video! most of these completely natural drops where approachable at between 12 and 20 miles an hour without pedaling at all. The camera made it look like a simple stroll through the nearby family Rails 2 trails project Greenway, LOL! anyway, you certainly hit the nail right on the head with this vid. Subscribed right away to the channel.
Very interesting thoughts, Seth, as usual! You're the man! :)
goes to show how much work seth has to go through for just a min of footage.. to not make it boring and monotonous to the viewer.. SingletrackSampler(beard bro) also adds his shenanigans to make his vids highly entertaining
When I’m watching a video on a feature that I am looking to ride (like a drop or jump) I never judge how big it is by looking at the video, I always count how long that person is in the air for, and compare that to how long I was in the air for the jumps/drops I’m currently taking, it gives me a better sense of how big it could be