The Trek Y22 was a 1990s Carbon Fiber Icon for the masses
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- Today I had the pleasure of riding a very well-preserved 1997 Trek Y22. Today we'll take this bike for a ride and talk about why it was so important back in the mid to late 1990s.
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First of all, thank you for all the kind words. Myself, Wes Wilcox, and Mike Zeigle are the designers of this beautiful vintage bike, circa 1993. It is definitely one of my proudest accomplishments in my long design career. Thank you for all the kind words and support.
Thanks for the bike!!
oh my god. the internet is such a small place. we used to stare at them on the rack of the local bike shop dreaming when we were kids. what a game changer. you should be proud.
Still got mine! She’s a classic.
20 inch for life.
I like tailwhips and barspins.
You can't pay me enough to be caught dead on a Trek, Y frame, or carbon fiber.
Your parts and designs break too easy.
@@xxcoopcoopxxdouche
Never clicked on an episode so fast. This was my dream bike as a teenager
It was also my dream bike and when I got it I instantly knew I was better off with my GT LTS it replaced 😂
Mine 2
Yikes
I'm still pissed my dad didn't buy me one. Yes my kid has a sick bike.
Same
I worked as mechanic for a downhill team in the 1990's, trek called it URT or "Unified Rear Triangle", the team riders called it URT too "Un-Ridable Transport"
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Worked for a Fisher dealership. We simply referred to them as the Why?Bike!
no kidding. URT is like Unreported Rider Tested.
That was my bike. I had a clearcoated carbon frame Y-33 and I upgraded it to XTR, Chris King headset and a Spinergy wheelset. It was hella fun back in the day. I rode it until 2015 when I got a carbon Stumpjumper. I garaged it until last year when I donated it for a church charity. As I was getting it ready for the auction I took it out for a spin and it was so scary compared to my newer bike. This brought back so many memories.
That would be about $4300 in today's dollars.
Love this. I had a Trek Y5 in 1997 and rode it to bronze medal finish in age group at Xterra Off-Road Triathlon World champs.
Walmart sells bikes that are just like this...even have a carbon fiber bike!
I still have a Trek Y5. I tried to sell it a few years ago but nobody wanted it. It is a really well built bike.
Fellow Y5 enjoyer here. Lost mine back in the day to a cracked BB shell.
8:04 After mentioning 80mm several times, suddenly seeing that "LONG TRAVEL" sticker on the fork cracked me up! 😂
Good find
I still have not gotten a suspension fork that had more than 100 mm in travel. I mostly ride with no shocks now
There are some videos from Cyclingabout that explain why no suspension shock (e.g. a carbon fork) can be even better. So like you nowadays mostly without a classic suspension fork.@@madtownangler
Rock Shox Indy(entry level, elastomer damped) and Judy (mid-high tier oil damped) forks were built around a 63mm chassis. The long travel versions added a whopping 17mm pumping that up to 80mm.
It probably was long travel at the time, i had a hardtail bike with 50 or 60mm which i bought in 94. 50-60mm travel i believe was very common at the time for the cheaper bikes.
I love this. Please do more of this. Like... a documentary style review of older bikes.
I agree, I’d be very interested
Perhaps even a video series comparing older versions of bikes to their modern counterparts (ie old first gen bronson to todays most current version, stuff like that
I like that he not only spoke about the specs but also showed the bike in action. So many retro reviews are only discussions so we don't get to see the performance
That’s a gorgeous survivor!
The amazing thing price-wise, is that ~$4k bike was almost entirely made in the US (probably except drivetrain & tires). Now they charge more for an equivalent bike made in a low-cost country.
It was the selling point I used to buy trek and GT because they were made in the USA by us owned brands.
Nowadays it might be half made in the US but most of it comes from where all other bikes are made, Asia...
Anyone know why this is?
Well stop buying things you can't afford. If you're an amateur biker go buy a cheap bike! A more expensive bike doesn't make you better!
@@RealMTBAddictthat is not what the OP said...
These are countries might be low-cost, but they are higher-tech.
By 97 everyone was well aware URT suspensions were crap. Thats the year i bought a Marin B17, a 150mm travel bike with proper suspension, single pivot, but good. And i absolutely remember my seat was up and down like a yo-yo even with a quick release.
The reason the Trek Y doesnt have one is because they were always marketed as XC race bikes.
I agree - the only thing Seth didn't point out (which he should have) is that while the URT design might have been 'efficient' for pedalling (no chain growth/pedal kickback) when seated, fundamentally there was no real rear suspension the moment you stood up on the pedals...
As you say, for XC riders it was essentially a 'comfort' option, but anyone wanting to ride rough terrain at speed with a single pivot needed either a Cannondale (if you wanted a Y shaped frame), the Marin, the legendary San Andreas - or do it properly and go for a 4-bar/horst linkage rear end like the GT LTS/STS and Specialized FSR.
This was my first MTB (Well the 1996 Y11 in matte purple, which I still have) and learning on a URT provided me with some advantages. One, I learned to circular pedal to avoid suspension bob, so I am a very efficient peddler. And two learned to descend in the saddle, since the suspension only worked properly when the rider weight was on the saddle and not on the pedals, which effectively makes the URT a hardtail lol. Thanks to ripping the derailleur out of the swingarm I now run it as a single speed. (note this is one of the best bikes to convert to a full suspension single speed), with a rigid carbon fork, 29" front wheel, hydraulic brakes all around (used to use Magura rim crushers, and on the Y they should be called frame spreaders lol), and a dropper seat post. A great XC rig, and a passible AM rig.
@@jmo2752 those were the days. Not sure I rated the early FSR too highly though, I really wanted and STS though, that carbon frame with alloy lugs looked so cool. Loved the B17 so much that I upgraded to a '98 Marin Team DH the next year. Same frame but Manitou X-Vert Ti carbon triple crowns forks that suited it much better. Hope discs too on that.
Single pivot was my thing being in the UK, early full suss bearing maintenance in our endless mud was no joke.
This same bike would be sold at Walmart!
Hi! From Argentina! I had one Y5 (aluminium) modified to DH in the 90's 👋 thnks for the video.
Great to see the old 26ers, paving the way for the future. Some of us are still peddling 26ers, its only a number, puts a smile on your face no matter what we ride.
Sadly, the spare parts/upgrades is getting harder by the day
@@puntoycoma47Definitely. Needed a new suspension fork for my early 2000s Specialized FSR. Outside of expensive dirt/jump oriented forks, there was about one option (RockShox Recon) that was priced decently for 26”. Other than that it was off-brands I didn’t trust.
It's a case of buy up what you can. A few of us ride 26ers for our daily rides and it's amazing how many people call us a retro club, like we ride em for special occasions. Ha that's not how the fig rollers roll😊
@@Dan.harbourview I've bought my first old bike to restore, a 2000 full suspension. It gets tricky
I bought a '90s full-rigid 26" Specialized Rockhopper Ultra in a charity thrift store recently and I am keeping frame, wheels and canti brakes stock, everything else is subject to reasonably priced upgrades and I am aiming for a bike good for gravel events and its smallish frame will make for an homage to BMX. And it'll be fun to take a '90s mountain bike to a gravel race. 😀
Man this takes me back, I had a Trek Y3 (in Red) the cheaper alloy version of this bike.
I completely smashed the Rockshox forks off it in a massive crash and replaced them with RST triple clamp long travel forks and turned it into a DH machine.
Whenever I rode it, people would always stare and kids would ask how much it cost. It was like riding a spaceship that nobody had ever seen before....
I still have my Red Y3 hanging in the Garage. I just stopped riding it last year when I replaced the bike with a newer Trek!
@@impliedpower Unfortunately I sold mine in about 2004/5. I finally realised that it was close to unrideable compared to the newer stuff that was coming through. I built up a '99 Santa Cruz Chameleon hardtail that was better in nearly every regard compared to the Trek! I would love to still have it as a piece of wall art though! I do still have that Green Chameleon, I'm never selling that!
I bought a purple Y3. Still have it, in pieces, waiting to be put back together. Great looking bikes, and not a bad ride, for the time.
I know why Seth always reviews older bikes: they’re the right size for him 😂
In all seriousness great video Seth!
I'd LOVE to see you get a more beat up one of these and upgrade it with modern parts, suspension, breaks, bars, etc, and make a modern hybrid!! That would be a very fun "flip-bike" experiment.
Frame is garbage. Waste of time
@@RealMTBAddictbe more positive
@@shaneanagrams Ok I'll ignore the facts. That's how the world was built!
I don't see Seth getting a custom rear end for disc brakes on this bike
Nope. Its perfectly preserved. And to others here talking about things they don't know anything about, I know more than a couple folks who actually owned them who could set you straight. The Trek Y bike was in its day a decent bike.
Pacific Blue flash back galore! Good times
Funny seeing you here! Big fan of your work - how are you liking the new Avian handlebar?
My dad brought a Flying Y back in the day, he raced it a bit a had blast on it, nine years ago he gave it to me, now I have the privilege to enjoy this beautiful bike I'm thankful he took such great care of it!! Thanks Dad❤
Once again Seth you’ve upped your game and I appreciate. Reaching back into the past to show how far we’ve come. I like you I’m sure can remember those times
Thank you sir
I remember drooling over the bikes in the tv show pacific blue. Man those to me were dream machines with the four spoke wheels and all😂
"Baywatch on bikes". It was so , so cheesy but great.
@@gloxton I downloaded the entire series a few months ago and man, you aren't kidding, it's so damn cheesy, but that show was my introduction to mountain bikes and this bike in particular, when I was a kid. I really wish I hadn't gotten rid of all my mountain biking magazines from the 90s and early 2000s.
Hans Rey talks about appearing in Pacific Blue over in his channel.... It seemed like the sky was the limit for MTB in those days.
@@gloxton all that cheese was all the rage to a 12 year old boy!
It's so nice to see a modern review of an old bike. I would like to see a ton more!
So glad you posted this, I just stopped riding my Y3 last year when I got a newer Trek, I still pull it down to ride from time to time, it is a great bike. I am glad you did a video so this frame wouldn't be forgotten!
I am 40 years old and I remember being in first year of high school and every boy was getting into Mtb and I remember seeing this one and the Y33 blue and yellow as the most beautiful bike around at that time at least from we had around.
There were so little people around who could actually afford this one, almost everyone was in the aluminum realms and I just had a cromomoly Diamondback sorrento from 1996 sadly since then I haven't ridden a Mtb...yikes almost 30 years
Great video!
I still have mine hanging on the wall in my workshop. Built as a super lite full suspension for xc. Upgraded with hope front disc, bomber coil front end, fox rear, needed the lockout for hard climbing. Looks awesome. Very noisy frame as everything amplified through speaker box hollow frame, floated well. Hardly used last 20 years. Great bike.
Yes please to more of this!
Loved this episode so much. Keep it up! MTB history is alive and well. I'm happy.
Thank you, Tyler, for making this video possible. What a fun walk down memory lane.
Back when they came out, I wanted one so badly. However, my local bike shop was a Gary Fisher dealer therefore it was the alum version and I had to have that carbon. Back then we had way more loyalty to our LBS than today, so I never got one. A few years later I did get a Paola Pezzo Olympic frame and fork which is now on display at that same LBS.
In 1977, me and a friend took a schwinn stingray frame and made it into a mono shock frame, in metal shop class. We raced 250cc MX, so we were fairly well versed in how suspension should work. It worked well. But my welds were scrap and I only got a "B" on the project.
This is great. I bought a Y5 (alloy) as graduation gift from college. I rocked that bike until 2021. I upgraded it along the way and was able to keep up with everyone, on any trail for years. I replaced it with an Orbea Rallon. I'll see if that lasts 25 years as well.
This is awesome! I love this format. Been watching since the early days, Seth!
I’m so glad you posted another bike review video. I love these.
Congrats on the 1 million.
I still ride a 90's MTB. I stopped riding in the 90's and at the time I had a Nice Raleigh hard tail. A couple of years ago I bought a Marin Bolinas Ridge 1 to start riding again. I hated it. 29" wheels were HUGE, the bike felt like I was riding a road bike. So I sold it and bought a 96 Giant Iguana raw(clear coated) steel. Built it with a 1x10 drive train and I absolutely LOVE it.
I was still riding BMX is 97. Just got my Haro Monocouque and was LIVIN' life at track. I still remember the day I walked into the LBS and I layed eyes on the Y22. Beams of light were coming off of it and gospel music was playing in the background. It was the first MTB I ever loved - this is such an awesome video!
Always love some 90s MTB action, Seth! Thanks for always making the effort to explore aspects of cycling that aren’t just hitting huge DH jumps and Shredding Gnar!
I used to drool over these and the Cannondale Super V back in the day.
I had the Gary Fisher aluminum version of this bike called the "Joshua". It was one of the first full-suspension bikes on the market. It was certainly innovative back then and I loved it. I think the only real drawback was the bottom bracket/cranks were on the rear triangle. You really only knew that after getting a more modern design in later years.
But it wasn't a real full suspension
I had the Fisher Joshua 3 too. Loved that bike
I had an F2 with the iconic red/yellow split paint scheme for a brief period. It drew attention, plowed the trails like a tank, and wasn't exactly light. Fun bike, though.
Thanks so much for this! As a teen mountain biker growing up in the 90's this was the unreachable dream!
Truly iconic bike! Amazing how far bikes have come. Really easy to see how modern bikes improve performance when you descend. Great video.
I spent years drooling over this bike in the cover of every bike magazine as a teenager. This was amazing!
A “retro review”.. this would be a cool new series.
Speed spring into those Judys, Kool Stop red ones, Panaracer Smoke front & rear, a 38t 1x with double Cyclone, stump seatpost... and Voila! you hav a race DH bike.
Just like Cream sang: "those were the days"
I love it when you review these vintage bikes.
This is a great video! I started mountain biking in ‘95, so seeing this Y bike in action, with all of its original components, brought back some fond memories.
A little sad there was no mention of the show Pacific Blue, the bike was a star of the show. I talked about this bike as part of my about me when I became qualified as a general law enforcement instructor and police mountain bike instructor. None the less, thanks for featuring this iconic bike!
Thank you for mentioning this show- I had never heard of it and it’s a hoot to watch. So dated. Like Bay Watch with bikes. Btw Seth would’ve been around 10 years old at the time of this show; doubt it was at a time he would be up to watch it 😂
it's good to see people mentioning it in the comments though, because that's where I saw this bike for the first time.
I was hoping your talk was recorded and available on your channel, so I checked it out. I was pleasantly surprised when I found the F-15 unrestricted climb video. I’m pretty sure I watched it shortly after you uploaded it. Thank you!
I would love to see a bike (frame) like this upgraded to modern standards with modern parts and see how it holds up. :D
Of course not a mint one like this, but one that's original parts are missing or broken.
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The "Why?-22". Their Multi-track series was actually a superior trail bike at the time.
Id argue Trek copied Mountain Cycle San Andreas. I had a 2002 version, made of aluminum. It was ahead of its time in that it could climb very well, even with a non-locking coil rear shock. Disc brakes front and rear . Really a great bike. Sad I sold mine.
This vid is like what car enthusiasts get to watch all the time, a classic machine driven down memory lane. Thanks, Seth, for the history show-and-tell with this gorgeous Trek. And I still like GripShift and short, straight bar ends set parallel to the ground for a hands-on-hoods feel.
Best mtb vid I've seen in ages, thanks!
Ahh the flying V of MTBing. I would be lying if I ever said I found this design even slightly attractive, so glad we moved on from this design style.
My friend Bob had one. He was 5'9" weighed 172 # was an adopted kid who grew up on a beef ranch in south central Missouri. He could eat 3 14oz bone in pork chops for breakfast and if you rode with him in the Ozarks, you'd only ever see the woods around the back of his ass. He hated road riding and racing, but no one we rode with could ever beat him. He wouldnt allow it.
Great ti see this bike get some love!
I just built one of these up in the last 18 to 24 months, with period upgrade Shimano DX and DXR parts. It's taking a while, but it's a lovely thing.
You've got us all up in our nostalgia feels🥰
He made this video over a month ago, saying 2023 as the current year. Seth really does take lots of time making these videos
I think he mentioned that he has been busy lately
What’s your point
@@fgoehnerI feel like this was just an observation. But it was a bit comical to hear him say 2023 a full month into 2024 🤣
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Probably recorded this before the 1month trip
DANGER - these old carbon frames break a lot more easily than modern carbon. I have a friend who owned one back then that broke it and wound up breaking his back at the same time. If you are going to ride them don't "send it".
Such good videos! I’m so thankful I discovered Seth’s channel back when I did. It’s been pretty amazing to share the journey.
That bike is a beautiful example. The skinny bars are so funny. I have rode bikes my entire life and skinny bars never seemed to be a thing until I look back. LOL
Very cool and interesting vid. Thanks for sharing and the effort and surely hours of research that went into making this.
These video are so interesting, so fun to learn about the history of bikes. Thanks for sharing!
This was my first mountain bike, I got it from Make a Wish Foundation when I was 13 and was diagnosed with cancer.
I eventually lent it to a good friend that needed a bike. He kept it for years and eventually broke the frame. Trek owned up on the frame lifetime warranty and gave him a new bike.
It was this exact build, I loved this bike. So cool to see you riding it. Thank you for making it.
Great video. I have a Trek Y11 hanging in my garage that I bought back in 97 or 98. I road that bike for years. Now I mostly use it as my camp site bike. Thanks for the video.
Man this takes me back, love the content as always. Keep up the great work.
1997- I was 15 working in Fort Collins, Colorado. My parents bought me a $425 Giant Rincon SE , my first mountain bike.. I rode to work with it- the boss at my job really mountain biked, he had a purple y22.. He was like a mythical god in my eyes on that crazy beautiful frame… Also the first time I was introduced to tofurky as this gentleman was a vegan way back then.. William I hope you are doing well and riding plenty wherever you may be today , thank you for showing me this sport !
I’ve still got my dads ‘97 Y11. Rode it in college, and even when I moved out to Colorado! I still take it out once in a while just to remind myself how good we have it now!
Dream bike growing up. Thank you for this video.
Dude I just discovered your channel & love it. I rode all the time in the 90’s in high school & college. I’d like to get back into to riding & these trips down memory lane are a trip. I stopped paying attention to the industry in 2000 so the bikes are radically different than when I left. Your channel is helping me get back up to speed no pun intended.
This is the way your channel will grow Seth… next up might be the Specialized FSR (comp) witch also was a great bike in the 90ties.. 😊
I recently purchased a Y11 and I've been updating it with a 1x drivetrain, disc brakes, wider bars and new paint. I can't wait to get it out on the trails.
Videos like this bring back good memories of when I found MTB. What a wonderful time in my life. I had a Trek 8000 from 1997, in fact I still have it (pictured also in my avatar) and rode it up till about 10 years ago after demoing new bikes. The narrow handlebars were better for getting through trees, now most trails are wider but back then a lot were not. Love seeing these reviews on vintage bikes.
These vintage MTB vids are awesome! More of this! It's crazy to see where its all gone as of late!
I would love if you did a whole series on bikes like this. Love your fresh perspective on MTB media
Probably the lightest trail bike I’ve ridden! Always brings a smile when I see one at a local trail, have to stop and admire!
I would love to see more of this content. I like to see the progression on stuff. Very good show.
Thanks for a great episode. When I finished grad school in 97, I splurged on the Aluminum Gary Fisher Joshua Y. Loved that bike and rode it until the frame cracked.
Love the retro review Seth! We want more of this, I feel a new series coming on ….. 😊
Great review and beautiful bike, thank you. I wanted one of those but price stopped me. I found a used one to ride and the bobbing you spoke of changed my mind. I ended up with a new 1997 Diamond Back V8 which I still have. It had about the same drive, shock & fork travel as the Y but no bobbing. I raced it locally for about 8 years with 35 lbs air in the 1.5 inch tires. 78 yo now and 29" bikes for pleasure.
I worked at a high end bike shop in Beirut in ‘99 , and we had a Y series hanging in the shop window, it was an alu model if I recall, had V brakes and rapid fire shifters , and boy did it pull in passersby’s … and the price made them go away 😂… in two summers working there it was never sold , and only one person ever bought one as far as I know, but when I think dual suspension downhill, that is the poster bike I see in my head … to me the idea of a bike designed to do one thing well was absurd, in a world of BMX, 10 speeds, choppers, cross and hard no suspension mountain bikes… thank you for Seth this trip down memory lane… and thank you for making me get off my ass and back to cycling.
Nice to see you back on a Trek!
What a throwback! Loved this video. Always thought the Y was cool, but got a Cannondale Super V with a Lefty when they first came out. Wild times
I still have mine, I upgraded it to Shimano XTR, Magura HS33 brakes, Sid rear suspension, Mavic spokes and rims and much more. I loved riding the bike.
Thanks for a really interesting video about a beautiful retro bike!
Love your videos Seth and team
was just thinking about this bike yesterday! So rad when it came out.
Man that was my dream bike when I was slamming my Schwinn S-10 through the southern California mountains in high school... nostalgia central
I had a Y11 for a few years at the end of the 90’s. Gorgeous looking bike in metallic blue but by far the most noodley bike I ever owned! Swapped it for a Trek 8000 hardtail eventually which was a revelation!!
My mate has the raw carbon one above it in the purple and black. I was fortunate enough to ride it. What an amazing piece of kit
Great bike! Thanks for reminding me, why I traded my Cannondale super V 3000 for a Trek Y33. Still have it, rode it yesterday, goes like a long forgotten dream :)
This was my dream bike as a kid. Still think it looks great. One of my all time favorite designs.
Got my first full suspension in 97 when this Trek came out, Specialized FSR in the Mango colour way. Upgraded brakes and drive train to XT on day one and put some nice wide Azonic riser bars on it with Shimano DH SPD’s (the red ones). It was such a sweet bike at the time and took me forever to save up for. Felt like a king riding it 😊
Saw this first on Substack! But more than happy to view it again it’s such a cool bike
Thank you for the video love old bikes I still got my connondale V 1000 still in love with it.
I rode the Y22 with a carbon three spoke Spin wheel on the back! Lived in Aspen CO in employee housing worked as a liftee at Snowmass and rode the hunter creek loop at least once a day in the summer! Absolutely loved this bike! Still have the frame and Spin wheel. Good times.
Well done video! Subscribed. Still have my red Y22 that I upgraded XT, lockout rear shock and spinergy wheels. The lockout for climbing changed the bike into a hard tail and was a great upgrade.
I almost bought this new back in the day but I liked how the Proflex preformed on my test ride of both bikes. I still have my Proflex to this day. Keep up the great work and stay safe out there.
Had a Blue Proflex full suspension with the Girvin fork, awesome bike, great climber 👍
There is a local Veteran in my area who still rides his Y-Five-0 all over the place. When he first got this bike in the '90s, I was so captured by its off-the-wall geometry (I was an AVID GT rider back then, with their Triple Triangle geometry) that I had to ask about the ride. He was pedaling around the local Walmart, and decided to go in, and I watched him to see where he was going to park this beautiful beast and was both awestruck and flabbergasted when he drove to the back of the store and threw it (literally) into a garbage dumpster. I stood watch to make sure nobody stole it, and LO! he came out twenty minutes later, fished it out, and took off. I still want this bike.
You make the funniest serious mtb content in yt. Don't you ever stop doing that :D
I remember my scout leader getting this bike in 1995, or a bit earlier if I'm not mistaken. Us kids were all awestruck by it. This bike started my love for full suspension MTB
I remember seeing and drooling over a yellow trek y33 back in the 90' s. What a beautiful looking bike it was back then❤
Cool video, Seth. Until recently I owned a Canondale Delta Vee (600) with the famous "Head Shock" from the '90s. Loved those old bikes. Keep the good work!
I wanted one of these in blue so bad back then. They were just so expensive. I ended up getting a Cannondale Super V as my dealer had one for really cheap. It was an okay bike, but my heart was always with the Y33
I used to want the TREK Y33 in BLUE so badly back in the day.
My first FULL SUS was a GIANT NRS 3 back around 2003 or so.
Fortunately for me I work for a large BIKE SHOP based in CHESAPEAKE VIRGINIA so I get AWESOME DEALS on all sorts of stuff.
But back then, I could only dream of owning such a mountain bike.🚲🤙✌️
I had a red Y-22, beautiful bike (so did my wife, still have that one). I broke 2 of these Y-frames (not on garages!). Trek kept replacing them with their warranty and I ultimately ended up getting it replaced with a full carbon Fuel. Love that you are rocking the narrow bars like we did back in the day!
Beauty truly is, in the eye of the beholder.