I Judged a CS:GO Wingman Mapping Contest!
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- čas přidán 17. 10. 2020
- Fresh new ideas for CS:GO Wingman! 2v2 Counter-Strike has a lot of potential, if we get the maps right. Let's check out some new maps for Wingman.
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Wingman Mapping Contest was run by the Source Engine Discord, please only join if you're seriously into modding and level design with the Source Engine, I don't want to annoy them: / discord - Hry
One of the makers of Orion here, thanks for playing our map WarOwl!
hi Slimek, are u still working on de_Bregov?
@@Umbrella_v1 no
@@Slimek F
@@Slimek Nice answer
@@hotmanngrayman9059 lmao
the reason why WarOwl will never get a closer is because he spends all of his creativity on openers.
case solved
i feel dumb i thought he said he had no closure
i have no clue why i thought this
Same. Closure.
What's funny is that he DOES have a closer...🤓
Yeah, he just doesn't want to admit it 😁.
case solved more like case closed
Warowl: a space themed map will never make it into the game because Valce cares about the theme
Lunacy: Am I a joke to you?
Actually he is right if look closely luncy is not in space its a simulation if no clip out sid ethe map u'll see it.
Edit :it might be a movie set
Well even if it is not in space, the theme is still space if that makes sense.
@@Apollyon1266 I see what u mean
He got a point
I thought about that as well, but it's actually a Hollywood set, not a Moon base
WarOwl: “I have words”
Say sike right now
@@AxxLAfriku your just too hot man
Words man
bruh
And i use them
" How do you have a competitive eSport without a Demo viewer "
laughs in Rainbow Six Siege
They got one
@@chellashivnarayan even if they haven't at least they aren't a direct competitor.
I pity the devs at ubisoft, I can imagine the disgusting legacy spaghetti code scourging their codebase and just thinking about getting up in the morning and having to deal with this mess makes me sad, I'm glad I'm not working there
@@chellashivnarayan They didn't have one for a long time.
@@zilliq imagine working on tf2 and scgo then.
A circle around the map:
Draws a square
Meh, close enough
Draw a circle thats the earth
this cracked me up :P
How the hell people think of these comments 😂😂😂
When you play too much Minecraft:
Warowl: The concept of de_recovery is completly new, both teams can reach the bombside simultaniously
Me: Lake....
based
Yes, but Lake sucks.
rialto
how the hell did video come out 12 mins ago but you wrote this 18 mins ago???
@@fishermanphil6092 You're just wrong...
'normally cts have control of the bombsites and cts have to break through their defences'
ok
Timestamp pls
@@viktorvirag2299 1:43
YOU DONE GOOFED, WAROWL!
Understandable have a great day :)
Never underestimate the potential for the random team you ended up on to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory XD
"CT's have control of the bombsites and CT's need to break through their defenses." Brain.exe has stopped working. Still love the vid tho mr. Owl
@Cherry nah he said CTs
That's what i heard too. Lol
I had to rewatch it three times to ensure it wasn't me trippin'.
hahaha i had to rewind to make sure what he just said
On some of the teams I've played on...this is true XD
You should try debunking the lore of cs go, if there even is a lore.
Nah bro only Dragon lore is in cs
bomb go boom
csgo lore: left 4 dead prequel
there is lore in operations like bloodhound and as well in skin descriptions, its just that no one talks about it
@Andrei Oroian nope. There's a video that debunk this theory. Although fun to think of , the fact that there are a lot of assets that are shared between l4d and csgo just talks about optimizing resources inside valve than a real intention to merge the two universes, as said , between portal and half life .
Just fan wet dreams
3:08 was anyone else about to ask if the saw can actually kill you or is it just me?
It can and it did.
Meh it should have one-shot players while applying immense force like in TF2
@@chainsawplayin I mean TF2 is on another level.
It's from TF2
@@snips6269 Team Fortress 2 invented sawmills? Thats new information.
1:15 on that topic, Nuke, a map i absolutely despise in MM, is probably my favorite in WM, kek
Genuine interest, why do you despise Nuke so badly in MM?
Nuke best map franz j mmmmmmmmyummy
@@TheFullswordslord The rotations are weird and hard. There isn't a predictable way to play, and it requires a lot of teamwork and strats to play well. Focuses more on play making as a team rather then fragging out.
@@TheFullswordslord i mostly exagerated, but it's indeed my least favorite map, i'd mostly fault it on the parts that are cut off in wingman, idk, it feels odd to navigate, most likely its the verticality
@@noahpoobbailey the best way to learn new maps is to play dm on it , roam around the map get the angles and then get in casual game to learn ct / t timning for places nuke can be really fun to play , solo play are also there
stuff like vent drop , silos to outside drop , pushing looby as ct or holding lower site in vents there are so many thing to do
"Shout it out the mountaintops, baby! SAWMILL! SAWMILL! SAWMILL! SAWMILL!"
Sawmill...
SAWMILL...
FUNC_VEHICLE FUNC_VEHICLE FUNC_VEHICLE FUNC_VEHICLE
I miss jerma and star_ playing tf2...
4:52 Lake is actually a pretty nice map to play for fun, for example when you play with a friend who's new to the game. It's also kinda like mini-R6 Siege :)
WarOwl, you seem to forget that Valve added Lunacy to the game...
Lunacy is set in a film studio
Slimek is right, you can see outside of the map
Lunacy is a film not a actual space map
@@Slimek Yes, but to the average person playing they won't notice this. To most people is may as well be a space map.
@@Slimek woah, aren't you the person who made the synthwave remix of the main menu music?
WarOwl, I got an idea for modded competitive CS:GO and that is:
1) set the maximum amount of fps possible to 25
2) get the shitty graphics
You'll have Global stuck in Silver hell simulator.
??? Elo hell doesn't exist . Watch Voo's channel
@@okarowarrior It’s subjective. Yes a global is objectively a better player than a silver but that’s just not the whole picture. Many people, myself included, made the experience that you have more sensible games at higher ranks. It’s just a matter of the game meta. Let me explain. If you know the game and your opponent knows the game you will know which spots, angles and tactics are meta and you will follow that in your game. Than it’s down to pure skill who is more capable of winning rounds. But if you however play against filthy silvers that don’t follow these meta rules you will start to see unpredictable behaviour that follows no rational of the existing meta and you will get increasingly more frustrated by the enemy. An opponent like this can be much harder to beat even though they objectively suck.
@@fgoogle4167 yes! That one
@@Noise-Bomb oh damn . I get what you are saying and even I would like to make a serious reply to add to your idea. But I got a headache, I'm on the phone and English isnt my native language. So I'll pass from now
@OG-Frankfurter-435 So if you're so confiednt, decrease you max fps to 15.
I play wingman to warm up for competitive. It’s just so much different from deathmatch warmup, because you get put i specific gameplay positions and not just run around and shoot someone every 5 seconds
Have you tried retakes? I find retakes helps me more than DM. And I would recommend playing community servers and not valve's servers.
sawmill needs 2 huge moving insta kill saws
tf2
And a new gamemode where you capture and hold points.
*Starts flashbacking*
1:44 "Normally CTs have control over the bomb site, and CTs need to break through"
imagine a war owl and gordon ramsey collab.
I feel that Warowl never played enough of the Lake map to realise just how amazing a map it really is for Wingman. The depth of tactics and counterplay that can be made on that map is insane! Not a single game on that map ever looks the same. There are so many ways to attack/defend that I find it more fresh to only play lake compared to all other maps together. That said! This is just on opinion. However if you played alot of lake I think most people that like wingman would agree with me!
read my comment... i love it feel like ambasador of lake being lake only scout only for past years :D 1400+ wins on lake isnt much but definitly gives u insight how to play and enjoy the map
That ending after the intro caught me off guard
It would be interesting to know how popular the different cs go gamemodes are compared to competitive
What other gamemodes?
Jk i played 500hrs of casual before overcoming my ladder anxiety
Demolition used to be EXTREMELY popular but then it died out, and it was finally executed by valve when it got bundled with gungame and scouts'n'knives
@@sunspotaken Holy shit. Just upgrade
I absolutely love wingman. I play it so much. I rarely play normal comp because I don't have enough friends. I have this one guy I play shortdust with, and we made out own call outs for boosts and stuff.
guard + elysion made it into the game
2:13 when will this become a meme
If you have watched FRIENDS
Pheobie yells my eyes my eyes
Isn't it already a meme? A SpongeBob reference
How did I miss this part? I don't remember seeing this thankyou lol
Isn't that from this short? ))) czcams.com/video/xuMDGR-zYZU/video.html
@@ulkoalex I don't think it's related . No "I won't look at it" or "my eyeeees" either
“I never thought I would see counter strike in space”
Lunacy: Am I a joke to you?
No no no no don't you remember there is a hole in the dome. It's set in Hollywood or something.
I did not see that intro coming and I love how creative it is
Outro too
Not sure how I feel the use of choke points in wingman maps, I think it makes the gameplay too linear. I think that’s what I like about lake is that there are not a lot of chokepoints and that allows for really dynamic gameplay. Lake has entry points, like the stairs and rock, but nothing with good line of sight that doesn’t leave you extremely exposed to other angles. I think that’s what makes good utility usage and unpredictable evasive movement so powerful on that map. On the maps Nuke, overpass, cobble, shortdust, and vertigo there are just 2 or 3 entrances that can be held from 2 or 3 positions. I just don’t think that leaves room for strategies that arnt just generic peaking and aim duels. I disagree with Warowl that wingman is just a clutch simulator, and discounting it as such robs the game mode of its potential in developing unique 2v2 strategies.
The first thing I thought when I saw the sawmill was "TF2"
Out of the original batch of Wingman maps, the "normal" maps became ways to practice bombsite takes/holds, while the "true" Wingman map pool centers on Dust1, Rialto, and the truest Wingman map, Lake.
All three have similar features that the traditional bombsite maps lack. One is, as WarOwl mentions, that the Ts & CTs reach the plant position at roughly the same time. Another is that it's less of a traditional bombsite and more of a central position on the map, quite literally in all three cases. Lake is the most literal with a three dimensional take on placing the plant position in the center of the map, and it's no coincidence that it's the best Wingman map with by far the deepest meta at global ranks.
One of the things I love about Wingman as a mode is that it recaptures the magic of those old 1.6 fy_ maps. They were small and full of tension in the 1v1, 1v2 late game scenarios that often played out. What Wingman does to improve this formula is refocus that tension on a central plant position. This incentivizes engagement, while still allowing for lots of lurking tension. Rialto captures the spirit of my old favorite fy_dinoiceworld, but Lake is the best at building tension. Let's talk about why.
There are lots of places to hide on Lake. Aside from being the ultimate GeT_RiGhT fantasy, the cat & mouse meta (whose roles of course switch in the post-plant) makes every moment, from the early game, thru the mid game, to the late game, full of "What's around the corner?" tension. If you're the mouse, you can either risk stealing the cheese at the plant position, or you can try to out circle the cats guarding the cheese. All good Wingman design lends itself to this circular outflanking and sneaking about. WarOwl mentions this as a bad thing, but I think he's underestimating the time incentive to get the plant down. It's important that there are LOTS of places to hide, not just a couple. On Lake, that balances out the sneaking about with the incentive to plant. When you're up against another pair of globals, most rounds make it to a plant attempt if they make it past the opening engagement.
There are lots of ways to play Lake, with strong roles for any kind of buy. Like Inferno (which I think has the best balance for traditional Counter-Strike) there are ways to play a long range game, a fast & aggressive game, or a slow & sneaky game. The map allows either side to approach with the speed & range it needs to use for the round, while also narrowing down the options for those plays, which clever game sense can then predict. Rialto does NOT do this very well, as all the lanes of approach are essentially the same, aside from the rooftop. Dust1 is somewhere in between, with approaches that at least differ in engagement distance. Being able to dictate the type of engagement you want to take, and having enough options to counter the other team's approach, remains important in Wingman too.
The takeaways for fundamental Wingman map design are not too different from the Four Square default for competition maps. Inferno & Overpass do a great job of implementing the fundamentals without being an exact 4 square layout. They each have a long, medium, and short range approach. They have one path for each bombsite that only goes to that bombsite and two ways to rotate between bombsites. For Wingman, the first part is identical. You need effective approaches for long, medium, and short range engagements on the plant position. But instead of rotations between bombsites, you need good ways to sneakily rotate *around* the plant position. You're not rotating to a different bombsite. You're rotating to a different approach to the same plant position.
Great breakdown.
Also good to see someone who understands how creative you can be on Lake, that's why I like it
Lake is by far the best Wingman map. It's the only one where I absolutely need a solid wingman to win against a good duo, and like Dust2, it never gets old. I'm still seeing the meta evolve over time and rarely encounter the same engagements. (Versus Rialto, where there are only so many things that happen, and I have seen most of them already.)
loving the videos recently holy duck they are great man
Speaking of finishing side-projects, where the hell's your map, warowl?????
Really wished i could've submitted 😭 Even though i wouldn't stand a chance against these works of art 😅
*craft
@@secondstallion2888 😂
Shout it from the rooftops baby!
SAWMILL!
SAWMILL!
SAWMILL!
~ Jermbo and Stermbo, idk when.
That advice i think can be applied to anything.
I make music and I have many side projects going on where im remaking songs just for the hell of it. From scratch. I dont need to but it helps me learn a lot more about the DAW and the plugins I use, and more about music theory.
Yay! 68th place here :D
This has been a fun experinece overall. Especially the testing. Hope to participate again if there will be another mapping contest.
Actual Title:
Valve implements new maps.
Sponsored by Mapcore Lite.
Happy to hear you liked the crazy themed map(s), I've thought for long time that Valve should work [with the community] to "get some COD" in CS, meaning having much stronger themes. I would enjoy to see operations that also follow a theme, so maps with a geographical area in mind and some themed skins for players and guns... so you get the enjoyment of seeing new stuff, but you don't have the visibility fuck up we had with the Shattered Web that forced everyone to update their maps.
Oh man. The intros recently are amazing 😍
You da best man!!!
Oh jeez he said cavelyn and my heart skipped a beat... My map was caveIN!
Lake is by far the best wingman map.
Change my mind
its is 100% change our mind
Love these mapping videos cause here in UK we have this sorta gsce which is called hpq and I'm doing mine on what makes a good counter strike map so every vid on this really helps
Thanks man, finally new maps to download from workshop and play, I have literally played on all csgo maps, almost all
The one thing that triggered me most was the fact that sawmill is going backwards. 2:30
It kills you slowly, so it makes sense
Sawmill? Isn't that from TF2?
had to scroll for too long to see this haha
SAWMILL SAWMILL SAWMILL
Still loving these new intros you've been doing, great stuff👍
Sometimes people (including myself) have critics on your live stream/videos, but the stuff in here actually makes sence. So good job on this one and thank you for representing the mapping community in a positive way! cheers!
Stop messing with the crosshair WarOwl
I am enjoying the creativity.
@@thependragone me too
@@seanl1089 me three
@HaxxorElite Me f4ur
Max width min length yellow crosshair with no center dot or outline is the best crosshair
There is an arms race map in space
Yeah its lunacy
@@r1ckz9 it's a film studio , tho. Not in "real" space
@@okarowarrior yeah
Thank you for another great video! Keep it up WarOwl :)
Yes the twitter "hold you accountable" thingy worked! Enjoyed the video and the stream when you play tested the maps
early comments are so copied :/
No bully but why are all the csgo maps named “de-“?
de stands for defuse as far as i know
It stands for defuse
It stands for defusal game mode
They are not all "de_" though. See: developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Map_prefixes
de for defusal
and maybe another word is there i forgot
I just want to say the opening cross hair gag was hilarious and the fact that when he looks at the sun he actually volume corrected the ear rape man the video quality is so good in ways I never expected people to actually care about!
There is still some clipping also known as gain or distortion which does add perceived volume but it was still unity instead of actually being ear rape deafening loud.
Your videos, WarOwl, feel homely to me. I feel in the correct place. Watching a guy talking about counterstrike in a perfect way with an insanely high production quality. Keep it up, I always enjoy your videos
Fun fact: Most people havent watched the whole video
Warowl comments are getting worse quality.
Only people who actually like Lake can like this comment
Great vid! And keep up w those funny logo intros :)
Your videos help me to learn English a lot, and they are hella fun and entertaining as well, thank you Owly!
He showed maps not in the top 10, but my level that got 10th place wasn't even mentioned. Cool!
Remember, you were better than the ones he showed.
Because they rely on a few gimmicks that were interesting.
I mean, I don’t think he even showed the map that got first place though, or he didn’t mention it
He was pointing at bad ones mostly
U salty
He was Trying to show, different and intresting maps, innovative stuff
Thanks for judging the contest! It was great fun seeing your streams!
de_hanok looks beautiful!
my favorite map style-wise was de_rats in 1.6! Players were small and all the objects around them were from a giant room. That was fun to play.
Excellent video mister buho de guerra! Excited for whats to come on your channel
your vids make me laugh at just the opener, you deserve every single like.
man warowl u r such a gr8 youtuber i love watching ur videos...keep on making such videos and dont ...have any closer...👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Dude I swear Warowl you are the best f-ing content creator ever. Thank you so much for the years of fun. Keep up the amazing work my man.
I would love to see a more in-depth video on a few of your favorite maps, with game play! 🦉
Mr. Warowl like you said "when i ran out of ideas ill just do an unboxafragathon"
Keep working because you are a legend
6:27 There's litterly a moon base map in game, well it's a movie set, but still
I love your vids, and I really love how you keep your videos around 10min mark, I tilt my fedora to you my good sir.
Another great video! I'd love to hear your thoughts on Hostage maps, and how you would grudgingly fix the game mode! :)
yes, lake good wingman map warowl. idk why either but I like it and have strats for it
Love that SC2 sountrack! :D
I whole heartadly agree with the statement that tinkering is important. As a member of my unis electronics club i can see a huge difference between the students that tinker and those who dont
Elysion is my fav wingman map i commented a while ago that it looks alot like office and agency rewamped into 1 map. For wingman with the skyscrape office style
Yes, thank you! The first second I saw the Orion map i said to myself "This is a Halo map".
Nice Vid Bro! KEEP IT UP!!!!!
Btw I Saw Your Stream About This. :)
Hyped to see the video about the hostages mode
love the SC2 main menu music btw
1:45 “CTs have full control of the bomb site and *CTs* have to break thru their defences ”
Absolutely agree about developers and their communities. I don't know of other esports that care the way Valve does, but there are certainly other game devs that do. Paradox Interactive (Cities: Skylines, Europa Universalis, Crusader Kings, etc) love and support their modding communities. Satisfactory has a thriving mod collection and strong third-party tools, and it's not even out of early access yet. MUDs have historically tended to be open to people creating their own game clients to connect to their servers. It's a philosophy that pervades all aspects of the game design: network protocol design, anti-cheat, save file format, etc, etc, are all built with an understanding that things can change. It creates a resilience that is so friendly to work with.
I didn’t know this was going on. I literally started a wingman hostage map yesterday. I been wanting one.
As soon as you finish it I want to play it! Hostage is my favorite mode.
I don't know why .. but I really appreciate your videos and content even if it sometimes not for me .
Huge respect for you our big mighty owl
It was really fun to participate. As it was my first contact with creating maps, my main goal was to learn and understand how the tool works. I was very happy with my result, my map de_niteroi, was in # 67 of 95 maps! Thank you for encouraging the community to create new stuff.
I didn't expect that video to be that good !
The intro just keeps getting better and better 😂❤️
Oh I'm real excited for the next video now.
Nice to see the big owl back
Much love❤️
These streams were awesome
I like the new intro variations
I hope these come in the game, I love wingman!
Thumbs up just for the intro. Loved it
I really liked the video.
Even if you didn't think it was "perfect" or up to you "standards", I hope you can be proud of it.
And if you are happy with it that makes us happy too.
keep it up mister Owl
You're a good man
I remembered when I was a kid, I saw this "Hammer Editor" and when I opened one .bsp map file specifically (as_oilrig), I found the world of level designing.
Thats when I started to make maps, sadly most of it were gone. I might end up making a new and more polished versions of it.
That halo mod seems cool, looking forward to the video
HEY MAN! i love your videos, i waiting patiently for the next solo Q episode
From the experience with 400-500 wingman wins and have played all the maps, i'd say you're completely right.
intro gets better and better every time