Dayuan - The Greeks of Central Asia
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- In the ancient Ferghana Valley of Central Asia, there were thriving Greek settlements far away from their ancestors. How did these people come to be so far away from Asia Minor, and how did they end up being the kingmakers of the Silk Road?
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I am from the Fergana Valley of Uzbekistan, it was very interesting to hear the history of our country
im from Fergana city, Uzbekistan. My dad used to tell me we had some european people living in the city long ago but i thought it was some random rumour but looking at some people around me, you can really spot a few ppl looking pretty much like europeans or something mixed
he's probably talking about Russians and other Europeans from Russian Empire and USSR times
@@sorayacatfriend there were also Communist Greeks who were deported to Central Asia
Realize that before the Turkish invasion, the languages and some of the culture of Central Asia came from southern Russia north of the Caucus mountains.
@@mrbaab5932 nah where did u bring this from ?
@@sorayacatfriend but they still exist
Fun Fact they were also Buddhists. All the Buddha sculptures you see today started from there by those Greeks
Greek Sculpture: Natty Gods all the way!!
Dayuan sculpture: Imma make a THICC God
Important Fact, they were the Dan and Yavan (=Dayuan and Ion) mentioned in the doomsday prophecy about Tyre
Timing matters. Some did convert later
Buddha also was white
@@CirrowProductions Only you Americans talk "white-black" like 4 year olds - get education 🤦
Interesting how these hellenised kingdoms were the last to fall, already on AD years!
If you wanna get REALLY technical, the Bosporan Kingdom in Crimea was the last to fall in the 4th century CE, but only as a client state of the Romans.
@@ulightronx4259 they were gothic, not greek
@@tubarao1143 Gothic people migrated to the region long after the fall of the Kingdom of Bosporus
Is roman a hellenised empire ?
@@ImATiger-ci5ru i wouldn't say so, the term hellenized is used yo describe cultures that became influenced by the greek one during and following Alexander's conquest. Roman culture on its own owm had already an undeniable resemblance to the greek one by the time they conquered the greek city states and the remnants of the hellenized kingdoms of the east.
Dayuan mean *The Great Ionians*
What a badass name for Hellenes
If the Chinese call you great, it is because you deserved it ahah
The Chinese call us "The other great civilisation" . It all makes sense now. Thank you for teaching us the Greek history we never learned at school.
The Han people call Roman as Da Qin（大秦）, Greeks in Fergana basin as Da Yuan（大宛), Bactrians as Da Xia（大夏）and Parthians as An Xi（安息）.
@@mariannageorgiou7016"大" Da mean big/great.
@@jackgoodnight2 I know. I have studied Mandarin.
This is now one of my favourite channels ! Amazing content !
Seeing this content come up on my notifications brings much morale!
Playing IR still and love learning more about the world through these.
Thank you! I am so hyped up for patch 2.0!
Absolutely wild. Thanks for the great content mate.
I watched this video as it was being edited so I’m awesome.
perks of being in the discord server!
What a great video. I see christmas was prolonged a bit further.
When I was young I read a novel of Valerio Massimo Manfredi about the expedition of the 10k.
It was a novel so deep and intense that still fashinate me today.
I always dreamed about those ancient times and especially those people who lived on the Caucasus mountains.
Isolated villages hostile to foreigners, phalanxs fighting in the snowy mountains hit by froen winds.
Wilde forests full of wolves and spirits.
A world in the middle of different worlds that struggle togheter.
Rome from one side, the Persians in the east and the nordic tribes in the north.
You mean Anabasis or the March of the Ten Thousand by Xenophon?
@@Yiannis2112 exactly that.
@@Yiannis2112 to be honest, the novel tells both the stories, the Anabasis and the Catabasis.
@@danielefabbro822 Thanks for the reply! L'armata perduta (The Lost Army) must be the title.
@@Yiannis2112 exactly. I'm surprised you know it. Our novels are not well known outside Italy.
But I can ensure you that Valerio Massimo Manfredi is one of the best authors we have. His novels are best sellers here in Italy.
Mostly because he is also an historician other than an author. So he knows what he's writing.
Great Episode Sir.
It's enlightening. Thank you for a good explication.
Great video, man
Nice video "amigo" XD.
Keep with a good work, u were down for months but u are back which is nice ^^. Bro fist👊
Thanks bro!👊Perhaps your fav Ivern main will also be back in your games soon ;D
@@KnowHistory hope so 😅
Very good video, thank you, comment for algorithm
FIrst time watching your videos. Beautiful graphic work!
Thank you so much!
Great video. Loved the animations and the usage of Total War. It makes me focus even more ehehehe
Continue the good work :)
🤺☦🇷🇺They were, in fact, the "Dan and Javan" (=Dayuan and Ion) mentioned in the doomsday prophecy about Tyre
Fantastic work.
Underrated channel
I love that you use imperator for graphics.
Really enjoyed this video! Well done :)
It would be cool to see how history might have changed if the Han Chinese successfully established a trading relationship with the Greeks in central asia.
Or Rome.
🤺☦🇷🇺They were, in fact, the "Dan and Javan" (=Dayuan and Ion) mentioned in the doomsday prophecy about Tyre
@@EasternOrthodox101 What?
Greek-Jews are not a Scythian group and stupid to suggest that they where or are.
the greeks would have perfected the dumpling
@@menyjackets593 Can you just not comment if you have nothing of substance to say, it's annoying...
From a Eastern point of view, it really is all Greece
Great video!! I just have one question... Are there any sources about the culture of the area after the chinese invasion? How long did they retained their greek culture?
Thank you very mucho, and keep up the good work!
Saludos desde España🇪🇸!
Thank you so much! I haven't dug much about that specific topic, but since that the accounts of the war are Chinese, I doubt that there are local greek sources that survived the centuries sadly.
Within 300 years after Alexander they adopted Indian culture. From leaf on head of king to turban and moustache on king. Statues never lie, just check the national museums in Delhi. ;)
The Greeks of India lasted longer than the Greeks of Bactria by a few 100s of years, but, they too were assimilated at the end. They all became Buddhists btw.
The Greek culture in Central Asia eventually assimilate with Buddhism and created one of the earliest Buddha statues. Anyone interested can look out on the Gandhara Arts. There is also a famous Buddhist text known as Milindapañha, which is about a spiritual dialogue between Indo-Greek King Menander and Buddhist monk, Bhikkhu Nāgasena.
🤺☦🇷🇺They were, in fact, the "Dan and Javan" (=Dayuan and Ion) mentioned in the doomsday prophecy about Tyre
When Afghanis and Pakistanis tell you that they have only Afghani and Pakistani DNA to their blood,you will tell them that before many many years were greek cultures to theirs lands..and if you see now the distance of Greece-Afghanistan or Greece-Pakistan you will go crazy..
Is Fergana Valley in Pakistan and Afganistan?
@@eltn2610 in Uzbekistan
The dna of greeks in afghanistan is tiny. There is more arabic dna in italy than there is greek blood in afghanistan
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Expect Afghans don't have any Greek ancestry and DNA tests have shown that.
Greeks were negligible in Central Asia and were kicked out by locals.
Think for a moment of the Troyan war. The Troyans were Dardanians. Part of them who have previously moved from todays Kosovo, to small Asia. That's why there is a strait named
the dardanelles strait between Balkan peninsula and Anatolia. The fact that, according to Iliad of Homerus: Troyans and Akayans didn't need translators when negotiating among themselves, means that they all spoke the same ancient Pelasgian language. The same language that spoke Illyrians, Macedonians, Tracians, Dardanians & Epirus. The ruins of the same ancient language that those tribes in northen Pakistan bravely preserved until today.
What are you going on about? We don't have any strong evidence of what language was spoken in Troy except for a single Luwian inscription. And the Dardanelles weren't actually called that in ancient times, they were called "Hellespontos." Also, the Illyrians and Thracians spoke different languages, and Macedonians and Epirotes spoke Greek.
@@dieselface1get a book with ni pictures. Andromacha Astiabax what do they mean as a word? Priamus has a nephew in the Achian army!! His name?? Well try study. Daces - Getes or illyrians are not mentioned but later, where as slavs are even settlres 2000 years later to the above mentioned. Ask cyril or methodius the corect way to write down Ecavi, Alexander ( 66 times found in Iliad as a name on Trojan side) , Cassandra, or my fabirite Penthesylia. You cannot even pronounce her name!!
The Q haplo group that is found in North American natives that traces back to the east in the basin city state lou lou on the silk road is extremely interesting to watch in the future . Dna ,archeology and linguistics are closing in on it.
When their ancestors broke away to carry Q haplo to America will one day be a hell of a discovery for someone to figure out
Were the Dayuan and Greco-Bactrian kingdom the same?
same people, but not the same kingdom
Hello, where do i found the images (images of the greek people and the coin) you used as a source? I need found't so much
Hi! The greek people were made in a game as artwork, as for the Athenian coin you can find it here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bactria#/media/File:Bactrian_imitation_of_an_Athenian_drachme.jpg
Thanks
*_No one wants to mention this because they lack value. The Medo-Persian Empire is an extraordinary empire, whom we are still influenced by to this day in the form of monotheistic society as well as division of power within in goverments and order within millitary._*
?? Who doesn't recognize the Medo-Persian heritage? Who are you talking to?
I am Prince of the Royal Seleucid Dynasty. My Grandfathers Shyrdakbek Khan, Sayed Khan, and Emir Kurmanbek were born in Andijan in the XVII century. Our Beshkoruk clan is Greek descendants and even our Y-DNA is European. We came to Central Asia as Abbasids from Baghdad in the VIII century.
The Yuezhi and Xiongnu were both of Indo European extraction, too.
Worthy of a video in itself, too !
some mixes with yue zhi. xiongnu was more east asian of early proto mongol & turkic people.
The Yuezhi were indo-europeans, descendents of Yamnaya people who moved to the Altaï mounts and later, named Tokharians, went to the Tarim Bassin in current China. They cintinued their way to Bactria were they destroyed the greek bactrian kingdom and later they went further to the south, ended the indo-greek kingdoms and founded the kushan, buddhist empire.
The Xiongnu were ... mongols ?
Dan or Don (Δαν - Δον) means powerful in ancient Greek. Could be related with the DA in the name of Dayuan.
What games are your graphics from?
scenario is from imperator rome, units are from total war three kingdoms and total war rome 2
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Where did the 10,000 army settle down, i thought it was around the eastern Caspian Sea and maybe the valleys to the east in the mountain country?
Where do you get your maps?
the template is the Imperator rome map, but the rest i do it myself in photoshop
seeing that greek guy with the name chanfeng made me laugh.
like a greek version of Bruce Lee :-))))
Correction in detail
1. Wu Gua 烏瓜 is the present day Chinese writing, the origin is 毋寡 which is OK.
However,
2. You misplace 母寡 to Chan Fung which the correct writing should be 蟬封.
Ελλαδα Ελληνικη και κοσμος ΑΩ
Haha this is so cool, greeks in central asia, you would think that after alexander moral would be low and they would all go back to europe, but they had lived there and thrived, in a completely diferent realm than europe, if roman empire managed to conquer persia they would probably reconnect those areas for the third time. so fascinating, i wonder if today legacy still survives among the people in the area, to originate from europe, or maybe its just to far away in the history and more recent lineages are more prevalent, and what about religion, were there temples, are there still ruins there? it would be nice to visit. 👋 from 🇪🇺
This is interesting because my father and grandmother have really Asian eyes and it’s been passed down to me and my brother and our kids as well my father is 100 percent Greek or so we thought till we did 23 and me and found a high percentage of Asian Siberian and west Asian dna
No, these are your Iranian brothers, you know that they used to live in Central Asia before the Turks
Τι μαλακίες λές??
no iranians are arabs siberian dna is from turkish occupation.
@@hayattayat Iranians are not Arab, they are Indo-European
Stop telling turks 'go back to centrial asia ' you came first
only a correction, the Chinese name for Wugua shoule be 毋寡, pronunciation of which should be near to MUGUA in Han dynasty and is equivalent to Mauakus in Greek. How ever, this name is used in the Chinese equivalent of Chanfeng, which should be 蝉封 that doesn't appear in this video. The Chinese equivalent for WUGUA in this video, 乌瓜，is a wrong one. It is only composed of two characters whose pronunciation is similar to 毋寡， but the meaning is black melon, which is quite funny if you speak Chinese. But this video is still a good one, since only Chinese or Japanese users know the characters.
Greeks and Greece are still called Yunan "Ionian" across the Persianate, Central Asia and South Asian languages.
so do they have existing descendants to this day?
Pretty much most Afghans and Alexandrians
No they have not
@@piscean214 Afghans are not Greeks you dope.
No only traces in DNA
look up Niya ancient greek settlement in southern china.
he returns
Around 1200 B. C., a battle was fought between then China's Shang Dynasty and Caucasian people from Western China. This was recorded in China's historical records.
to seek a warmer climate
central asia is much colder than the aegean
Are modern Greeks and ancient Greeks the same race?
It is said that the Dayuan, is the 1:35 etymological root of the Philippine word of “foreigner”
funny b*llsh*t
Tagalog "dayuhan" /dɐˈju.hɐn/ is from "dayo" (to explore) + "-han"
"Dayuan" is just atonal pinyin of Mandarin Chinese 大宛 (Dàyuān) /tä⁵¹ ɥɛn⁵⁵/, which back then mandarin did not even exist itself as well.
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Lake Ysyk-kyol has ancient cities at the bottom of it.But I heard that those cities were Armenian
They were not settlers but mainly traders.
what was their religion? Were they Buddhists?
Let's not forget the Kafiri people living in Chitral valley and in other valleys next .
They are not Muslims,produce wine and consider themselves as descendants by Macedonian soldiers of Alexander the Great
DNA studies have debunked any connection between them
My community is in north eastern India and most are Hindu (maybe) and very very backward,I think before Hindu religion is borned in India ,our community came from Europe and settled in North East India .Now all people say that Christianity came to India due to East India company ,and Cristian people also says like that,but I don't believe it ,how come being ancient community our communities some word similar with Europe,and though most are not converted to Christianity,our communities religion is similar to Cristian and not similar to Hindu and our language don't have any similarities with Sanskrit and instead our language have similarities with Europe .
What language does your people speak?
Lol Sanskrit is more close to European languages
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It is crusader kings 3? XD
汗血宝马（the horse that sweat blood)
Greeks ans Turks go way back, heh 😂😂
GREEK TO THE TURKS ,TURKS GO TO THE GREEKS ,AMAZING
@@Viewer2228 this is the evidence that greeks and turks are one and the same race .....
@@gonter875no,this is wrong..Turks are the best 🇹🇷🇹🇷🇦🇿🇹🇲🇺🇿🇰🇬🇭🇺🇰🇿🧿..
@@leyla1196 do you say that because you are turkish, but open a book of history ...the greek culture is exklusive and give all to the world ....Mathematics, Philosophy, Geometrie, Medicine ... what gave the turks to the world ? maybe some Genocides , not more .....I am sorry ..
Turks were not there, though. They came a thousand years later from Mongolia.
HELLAS NEVER DIE ROME NEVER FALL !!! 🏛️🇬🇷🇮🇹
Also it might be because of Alexander The Great's policies. (Before watching)
Edit: It is proven 😂
I am uzbek from central asia. And our neighbor tajiks think that they r descendants of makedonian Alexander😅😂.
Cmon, those people can't be serious
@@ontheline3077 yeah it is unbelievable. But if u look to history. Macedonian Alexander stayed there also
Married local girl her name is Raksana. And his Macedonian people mixed there.
But however I don't believe that they r descendants of alex.
Tajikistan used to be called Sogdiana and the city of Khojand in Tajikistan was founded by Alexander and was called Alexandria Eschate, which was the furthest Greek settlement built in Asia.
That's not true. Only Aryan were our ancestors and they were more white than modern geeks
@@suikzaxa9593 lol racist. Aryans are indo europeans which were different. Some of them were white and tan maybe some of them were darker. And wdym by saying aryans r whiter than greeks? Current Greeks r whiter than tajiks I can confirm this. Most tajiks have tan skins and some have white. So don't lie here
Learn pin yin, it's purpose is to know how to pronounce Chinese. Mei cai ( mates eye)
Mashallah
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Where were the Yuezhi when Chinese attack Da Yuan......
mixed with Uyghurs
@@jhombyrkotaksorgankazakh Mixed with the Uyghur Aryans in eastern Mongolia
@@user-cg2tw8pw7j Yuezhi assimilated by Uyghurs
@@jhombyrkotaksorgankazakh The Uyghurs were in eastern Mongolia, my friend, and after defeating the Huns, the Chinese made the Uyghurs leave for the Scythians in eastern Mongolia
@@user-cg2tw8pw7j 😐🤨🤨
in 336 BC, ALEXANDER THE GREAT conquered Asia, and there were many unpopulated lands, which today have become states. After his death in 356, many soldiers lived there. so some tribes today in Asia have blue and blonde eyes. ILIRO PELLAZGE seed 🌠🇦🇱🌠
Inferiority complex
Stop dreaming and exposing your country's 🇦🇱 bad education system.
dayuan is kushan(tokhara)
ionion = trans oxiana = ta yuan = big Kwa = kwarrisimo = kwarism = algorithm
Rome total war III looks great
recently wine making in china 8000 bc,
So this proves so called Greeks are Orthodox Turks like Karamani, Tourcomani etc?
Karamanlides and the rest of the christian turks were very few. Failed attempt. Try again.
@@Dinosaur315 spew your ignorance all you want, so called greeks are just orthodox romans, nothing else.
Something worth noting, not a lot of people knew how to read and write. When the Assyrians, the Babylonians, or the Persians conquered a people, they may have enslaved the educated classes, possibly skilled craftsmen. That would be The Book of Daniel in the Bible. Prophet Ezekiel was in Babylon.
And unfortunately that is usually enough to eradicate a people when their educated classes are gone...
Persians did not practice slavery. Greeks and Semitic people did.
@@marmary5555 Sure they did. Pretty much every Kingdom practiced some kind of slavery. Whomever inherited the fertile crescent region, tended to do some specific cultural things......like taking educated people as slaves.
Wait so what happend to them?
stayed there, and got invaded by a bazillion different people groups, diluted over time, that is my take. There are no sources after sima qian's sadly
@@KnowHistoryI’m am from that region. There’s no trace of anything at least distantly Ionian. In fact I think they were never there. There is no Ionian influence on the local people’s language or culture whatsoever. I think the people you are talking about were Sogdians or some another Eastern Iranian people.
@@somonalamshoev521 Danyuan literally means Great Ionians....they were a super small population for such a small period of time, it's not surprising at all that there's no Greek influence on the local language or culture. They were clearly not Sogdian or Iranian
@@achilleuspetreas3828 but how it can be proven?
Extinction by superior Iranic peoples.
For most of the Greeks in Central Asia and Siberia the explanation of how they got there is pretty simple. I can actually describe it in 1 simple world,Stalin
No.
@@something1600 ..yes it IS
@@excathedrax and the history of the Greeks of the Soviet union wasn't taught at all. Most Greeks who are there aren't decentants of a couple small Greek settlements of ancient times,that's just some small tribes today. Most are there because of Stalin and his persecutions
@@excathedrax then what do you disagree with exactly?
@@excathedrax that's completely unrelated to my comment
Are ya winning?
yes dad
I heard someone said there are more Greeks in west Asia and central Asia than in Greece lol
Whoever said that is a deluded nationalist from Turkey or Albania or North Macedonia.
Yes. Haha. Especially the turkish. 90% above of turks are actually greek.
He didn’t perceive them as weak. They were weak. And that is to their credit, because weak people are good people who mind their own business and don't try to get themselves heard by others.
You're wrong. Weak people often get exploited and/or subjugated, while strong people remain indepedent and/or dominant. The Greeks of Central Asia were , by then at least, weakened and easy to subjugate ( of course for the Chinese thousands of killometers away it was pretty hard to conquer their town ) but the nomads from the steppe that eventually conquered them were the opposite of the Greeks. Heck, after their conquest, they even proceeded to establish an empire of their own, called by historians the Kushan Empire.
its funny, he doesnt know how to read pinyin
children's fairy tale
Dont be so jealous. Relax and learn some history. Put your envy besides and digest the Great Greek history
Who is the Mongol now, Greeks? 😂
Wow now that's bad
Chanfeng left the chat..
Turks still 😂
Mongols were civilized compare to turks ask the chinese
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Is afghan greek?
No, it's Iranic.
No.
afghan is a nationality. the language is pashto
lie
It isn't
Alexander the Great times...Aryans Age !
That sounds a little Nazi like.
*B.C.
B.C not B.C.E
Before Christ/ Beforee Common Era
Nah!!
Happy holidays
@@javierarroyo9640actually BC and BCE are the same. It doesn’t matter which one we say.
There have never been Greeks in Central Asia. Greeks were less than 5% of Alexanders army.
Hey what are you smoking ? 😂
@@georgebililis7516 check the facts. He had translator when spoke to Greek units. All documented.
@ness283 I agree ..Alexander the Great need a Bulgarian interpreter to to translate Aristotles methods of physics to Alexander 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
That is why phill and akex were voted ( democracy) as greek leaders in Corinth. Then Alex had a dictionary while talking to Diogenes in corinth baced on Homer's books where as his name alex appears in Iliad 66 times. Olympias took her name out of the same dictiobary as well as Myrtali. Finally your nane appears in pericles epitaph subparagraph 40 a well, a well known greek word nowadays interbationally, now that greeks speek what was formed as greek koini by Archelaos king of Macedon close friend if Evripides that wrote for him 2-3 plays!!! Still performed tgat you won't understand nor a word no meaning as you are weighed and found lacking. As for your name it is also found as straits of singapore. The malaca straits
@@Peterkonto He also spoke japanese chinese turkish and suahili!! The mas is a malaca strairs
Alexander the Great is the new name for the world, from not too long ago. Alexander the Macedonian is how he is named. Especially at those times, you say your name and your father’s name and the place you come from to identify yourself. The newly added or changed into Great is on purpose, so the greeks can claim he is greek. He can not be greek if he is Macedonian. Read a little bit of books that are not promoted by greece and the creator of greece - United Kingdom. The name Makedon exists way before greece. Check old Roman maps too. Ohhh people, those people in Afghanistan will tell you they are related to the Alexander army, not that they are greek. The name greece exists only 180 years.
The word Greece isn’t even from Greek origin you Buffon , it’s Latin and it comes from Grecians. We never called our self’s “ Greeks “ , we call ourselves “Hellenes / Έλληνες “ and Greece is called by its official name “ Hellenic Republic “. Just because the word Greece is from a Latin origin doesn’t mean we didn’t exist.
I am from Afghanistan and nobody there claims to be related to Alexander.
Alexander The Great , GREEK Macedonian
@georgebililis7516 hahahah you make me laugh. How can someone be both?
Are you greek or Macedonian?
You are probably Macedonian from your grandfather but UK brainwashed you for good.
what books do you read?
Alpaslan, Süleyman şah came to greek. 😂 The turk of Central asia conquered İranian, Anatolia. Süleyman şah established Turkey..
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This eurocentric romanticism of supposedly Greeks leaving any impact in Central Asia has been refuted.
Lol, Greek Buddhist art, the ancient cities of Takht-i-Sangin and Ai Khanoum beg to differ. The latter even has a Greek theatre, lol
Your knowledge of this is as empty as what’s between your usernames brackets. 🏛️
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It's a fact that Greeks settled in Central Asia and India.
@@something1600 Facts!!! 💯👍🏻
@@something1600 Then where did they go? What happened to them? How come we don't have any of those people claiming to be Greeks?
Its an exaggerated myth.
Good video, but i can't subscribe to a channel that uses non-sense made up terms like "BCE".
Dayuan were not makdoon
They were saka scithian
Read diyan Kingdom of eastern china
They are jats community in India and not Greek
Don't make fake videos
Alexander Macedonian not is Greek, they are not greek
Macedon was Greek: they worshipped the Greek gods, the had Greek culture, they attended the Olympics, etc.
There is always that one moron slav from skopje that will make a fool of himself. 😂 That will also like his own comment , cause nobody else will.... pathetic 😂
Alexander was from Magni not Macedonia and Ionians were not Greece
any sources to back up your claim?
@@KertPerteson Alexander has just one source and that source is Quintus Curtius Rufus
@@KertPerteson meanwhile in the Gospel of Matthew Magni is a Persian authority,
@@xerxes8191 alright thanks
@@xerxes8191 what a joke 😂😂😂
Their desendands of today speak an ancient form of Albanian language. This explains that the Macedonians Tracians and Illyrians spoke the same language
What are you smoking?
What's wrong with you people , Its all Hellenic stop embarrassing yourselves with these comments.
@@georgebililis7516 Hellenic was a culture, a way of living, a way of governing the city-state. IT WAS NOT A NATION. THERE WAS NEVER A NATION NAMED HELLADE OR GREECE. The language of those comunities over there CANNOT be explained and has NOTHING to do with todays greek language. Wake up!!!
What is the difference between: so called Old greek language and new greek language???? Are those similar??? NOT AT ALL. WAKE UP !!!! READ SOME BOOKS. Life is not wikipedia.
@@rezchili6240 They are literally the same like almost all the way but it has changed cause of ages. People exist who have studied Ancient Greek and know the similarities , unlike you who is crying over something that it has been proven over the years.
Hellenic was a culture, a way of living, a way of governing the city-state. IT WAS NOT A NATION. THERE WAS NEVER A NATION NAMED HELLADE OR GREECE. The language of those comunities over there CANNOT be explained and has NOTHING to do with todays greek language. Wake up!!!