Vandals - The Germanic Kingdom of North Africa
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- The Germanic tribes migrated and settled all across Europe, but did you know they also settled in North Africa?
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I can't believe Alan ravaged Gaul, I thought he was a top bloke :(
He started to go downhill when he begun hanging out with those goths. And that gang of vandals in the weekends.
That wasn't Alan, that was Steve.
When in Rome don't do as Alan did. Don't be a Vandal.
Frank talked him into it.
@@immortaljanus the Steves raided Gaul too??
This is interesting, but what about the Vandal sacking of Rome? This is what truly made "Vandal" a negative word. This was in 455, 45 years after the Visigoth sacking of Rome. (The Germanic tribes were industrious. But likewise, two thirds of the Roman army were now made up of Germanic auxiliaries.) Emperor Valentinian's widow, Eudoxia, was forced to marry Petronius, who had killed Valentinian and taken the throne. Eudoxia's daughter had been betrothed with the Vandal King Genseric's son, but she was now forced to marry Petronius' son. Eudoxia asked the Vandals for help. The Vandals sailed for Rome, knocked down the aqueducts, and made Petronius and his men flee. A Roman mob stoned Petronius to death outside the city. The pope asked the Vandals to go easy on the city and they agreed. They didn't burn and slaughter, but they looted for two weeks, and took some Romans as slaves. Eudoxia and her two daughters were brought back to Carthage, where they were treated well.
I actually have no idea how I let that slip, maybe I can do a small video just about that sack as it is quite interesting, no promises tho! That was probably the most unvandallike sack of a city I've read ahah the amount of self-control they had to not burn the city was quite impressive!
I have the impression after reading Gibbon that the Vandals earned their vicious reputation while they destroyed virtually every city in Hispania, massacring as many Romans as they could find. But by the time they reached Rome, they were relatively tame, accepting the Pope's deal to be allowed to sack what of value was left in return for sparing lives. They made Carthage the richest city in the world outside of India, and thus it was imperative to reconquer or 'liberate' it and transfer that enormous pillaged wealth to Constantinople.
Visi is in russia mine high, you mine the ger(o)mans with jedeutsch or why they talk deutsch germany or germanium???
Why the Italien dont speek latin like in russia dom domus Dominanz???
How they "barbarians have swords or horses is Not cheep now lot of barbars have wappons like the Triberg in the jungels lol
Can't believe you left out their biggest feat, the sacking of Rome
The only problem is that Vandals weren't of Germanic origin but Slavic
source? your huevos?@@emilianozapata2530
@@emilianozapata2530 Slavs came to central Europe after the Huns withdrew
@@CidFafner From where? From Mars they fell? 😆 please...
Do you people live in 19th 20th century history?
Oldest slavic chronicles of Poland,Chezchia,Russia speak of distant lands where rivers Sava and Danube meet as their place of origins.
Now depends what you want to learn about history? History is poltics too,who ever controls history,also controls certain power of controling future events.
Wester part of civilisation has figured this one out long time ago,and filled their museums with artifacts of cultures and nations around the world.
Balkan nations for example have experenced far amount German and Austro Hungarian doctrines of their historigraphy,under which their cultures and people suffered imensly.
@@emilianozapata2530 The Vandals were clearly Germanic (check the Wikipedia article "Vandalic language").
The only non-Germanic people to accompany the Vandals to North Africa were the Alans, who spoke an Iranian language.
They play an incredibly important role in the history of pre Islamic North Africa. Many of there local traditions still persist in Tunisia showing there influence has lasted a bit.
That's really interesting, any examples?
None. The colonial tale about Vandalic heritage take a first hit with the fall if the 3rd reich and was definitively abandonnee with the decolonisation period.
Amazigh, latin, punic or ottoman cultures have way more impacted Tunisian culture than this short-lived dynasty.
@@sweaspurdoddd5466none, this is a german propaganda to attract north africans. Same goes with how they try to attract iranians, indians, armenian and alans with tales of the aryan ancestor of germans.
No they didnt ?
They were irrelevant and got crushed immediatly in several battles by the local berber kingdoms before getting finished by the ERE
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So happy when I saw you upload!
I'm glad to hear that! :D
Incredible as always, Know History!! Very interesting, keep it up.
Thank you so much!
Nice to see your channel back.
Welcome back to it! I don't know when the next upload will be, but I can't wait to make a video again!
Its great to see a new video, you make interesting and well done content
Thank you so much! I wish i had more time to work on more projects!
I like how you use CK3 characyer models and maps in your videos
Thank you!
No doubt my fellow history nerd gamers
In 428 AD, Hippo Regius (Annaba in modern-day Algeria) was besieged by the Vandals for 14 months. Saint Augustine, the bishop of Hippo Regius, died during this time, and in 431 the city fell, and it was reduced to ashes, all but the cathedral, which escaped, together with St. Augustine's library.
Unfortunately, it is being reduced to bread crumbs again.
@@globetrotter5751 What do you mean?!
@@lammah4070 Islam.
@@lammah4070he's angry that were Muslim and that majority of roman artefacts outside of Rome are in muslim lands
@@globetrotter5751 i didn't understand your content as it is a beautiful city
Fun fact of the day. The mascot of the university of Idaho is a Vandal. 😊
Great! Best Regards from Portugal!
I have always been interested in the Vandals. In this video I learned details about how they crossed the strait of Gibraltar.
I’ve always been curious about these Germanic groups being in places you wouldn’t expect like in Iberia and Italy. Thank you for this video!
Their faith was Moving them.
@@user-rj5db6nt4i No, much more pragmatic reasons (like the Huns) were at hand that made them move.
@@TheThing274 I beg to disagree ....the Huns didn't move beyond the Italian peninsula....and if the Vandals were such poor warriors How Come they defeated Roman armies....then why move all the way to Carthage.....they were looking for like minded people....not the usual blood Linked alliances.
They went back to the place where people worshipped Like them.... Arius's followers.... Trinitarians were colonizers and tyrannical.
Most locals were either Arianists or Jews only the élite in North Africa was Trinitarian and Romanized.....Please read St Augustine How he described his own people as indigenous.
@@user-rj5db6nt4iby that point of time Western portion of Roman empire is in Decline Rapidly while the Eastern Portion of Roman Empire is under attack of Two Gigantic Empire at that time Persian Empire in the East and the Rampaging Hunnic Empire thats why Vandals have easy in the Conquest not also helping is the Frequent Civil Wars of Romans at that time heck thats the main reason how the Vandals captured North Africa they are ask by Rebeling Roman Governor in its rebelion but because it short in its payment the Vandals just took the place also main reason why the Vandals move to Roman Empire is to escape the Huns actually the Vandals feared the Huns even when Attila die and the Hunnic Empire Collapse just look at Belisarius Army its most elite soldiers he have is the 400-500 Hunnic Horsemen when the Vandals face This Hunnic Unit of Belisarius the Vandals always Run behind back of there Tails and did not give any fight at all .
@@user-rj5db6nt4i germanic people were very migratory way before christianity appeared
Very interesting, thankyou.
Welcome back 😊😊
Thank you!
In 526 AD, Gelimer, the last ruler of the North African Kingdom of the Vandals, retreated to the mount Pappua (present-day mount Edough, near Annaba, Algeria) before surrendering to Byzantine forces in 534 AD.
Pappus probably modern day Babbouch on Tunisia -Algeria border
@@user-rj5db6nt4i No, mount Pappua is present-day mount Edough near Annaba, Algeria.
@@user-rj5db6nt4i No, the mount Pappua is present-day mount Edough,near Annaba, Algeria
The migration of the Vandals to Algeria was not a conquest but rather a migration, which was followed by religious wars. Rome, or what is referred to as Caesar's Rome, was situated in Algeria. Italy was considered a colony, which helps explain the unclear reasons for the decline of Rome. Western Rome encompassed the center of Algeria up to the Malwia River, currently within Morocco. The religious landscape included Arius, Christians, and Judaism. Eastern Algeria represented Christian Rome, with Constantine as the capital city and religious centers such as Hippo and Petra to the west of Hippo. Maps from French and Catalonian open archives indicate the presence of the holy city Baca in the center of Algeria, east of Algiers.
The Vandals' migrations bear similarities to those referenced in the Quran. However, it appears that Muslims interpret the verses incorrectly.
Muslim records lack clarity regarding the origins and geography of Islam. Saudi Arabia is known as the land of the Qarmatians, who Muslims claim created a new Kaaba. There is a lack of authentic records detailing the rise and decline of the Vandals, although the wars and events of the Vandals seem to align with Muslim history, suggesting a potential discrepancy in calendars.
Certain events mentioned in the Quran align with Vandal events. For example, Surah Rome describes the defeat and subsequent triumph of the Romans, which correlates with the Rhine crossing where Vandal tribes allied with Rome against the Franks. Surah Toubah verse 25 references the Battle of Ḥunain, possibly corresponding to the city of Honaine in western Algeria, known since the Roman era. Honaine is situated in a district called Tlemcen whch is called the capital of Ziane.
Unfortunately, Europeans tend to distort history, with many Algerian cities, particularly larger ones, inhabited by people claiming descent from Andalusian (Vandalusian) ancestors.
Western Rome's decline was not military defeat but conversion to Islam, perplexing European historians. In contrast, Christian Rome was supposedly defeated by God according to the Quran, with no survivors to recount the events. the Quran mentioned it as natural disaster in Surah Ahzab.
In your specialization in Vandal history, I hope you consider these points, as they may illuminate missing pieces of the puzzle.
Dan Gipson and Patricia Crone challenged Muslims to prove Islam's origin in Saudi Arabia, but no scholar has provided a satisfactory answer. Gipson claimed Petra was the heart of early Islam, but the Petra in Jordan was ruins named by European archaeologists, while the real Petra lies in Algeria, west of Hippo exist on old maps made in euope.
This explains why 70% of the wars between Muslims and Europeans were conducted by Algerians, and it also clarifies why there were almost no Christians in Algeria and North Africa, while there are almost 30% Christians in Egypt and the Middle East.
It’s amazing how many German kingdoms existed after the fall of Rome. Ostrogoths, Vandals, Visigoths, maybe even the Frankish empire, it’s quite amazing how any of them didn’t make it.
Well, all of these kingdoms were similar in structure: The population was largely Latin speaking and Roman. The Germanic element was concentrated in the elites. With Ostrogothic Italy first invaded by the Eastern Romans and then the Lombards, Africa succesfully captured, Spain taken by the Arabs and the Franks conquering neighboring kingdoms, the Germanic nobilities were pretty much liquidated. The Franks did survive tough. Lombards were in control of Northern Italy until the Franks invaded in the 9th century (or so).
Some survived in one way or the other, the Frankish kingdoms eventually evolved to become France and Germany, the Visigoths served as a founding myth for the Spanish monarchs until very recently and the Anglo-Saxons changed the British Isles forever. They had their times and evolved throughout the ages, it's wrong to say they didn't make it, they just evolved with the times! However, saying that a modern French person is a pure-blooded Frank or anything like that is simply wrong as well.
@@KnowHistoryCalling a frenchie - someone speaking a romance language and being a mix of gallic-roman descent Frankish, which as a language is old dutch and who as a people are closest to modern dutch people, as well as originally coming from the low countries (salian Franks, Chamavii franks, etc)is definitely not accurate.
French people are a walking identity crisis, they descent from Gauls, speak romance because they were enslaved by the romans and named themselves after the Frankish (dutch germanics)rulers who conquered them.
@@KnowHistorycan you expand on this Visigothic/ monarchy myth?
@@Enbdhhdu8e3enslaved by Romans?! Lol okay buddy.
Though you mention the Vandal's naval ascendency, I think mentioning the Battle of Cape Bon might have been prudent if only to highlight it.
How did the local North Africans dealt with the vandals ? You didn't mention that , did they form some sort of alliances or were they in constant fueds due to Vandals being foreign.
From memory most simply accepted the change in rulership, essentialy the Vandals replaced the ruling caste and the majority of the population didn't real care about who ruled them as regardless they were still stuck paying taxes.
The neighbouring peoples did as they did with the romans, raid, trade and serve as mercenaries depending on circumstances.
From my research, other than some religious disagreements, nothing special happened, the population pretty much accepted the new rulers and for the most part, there was not a huge societal shift, just like @litd said above!
They fought and won several battles against them, taking gradually their territory
@@AB-fr2ei shut yo mouth
Interestingly enough...notice How they had scouted Tingis and Septa, they had something in common with the locals..they sometimes shared faith ( Arius's teachings) and Most of the Time shared an ennemy the Trinitarian Church who treated the locals with utter disdain and quasi- enslavement...read Saint Augustine on How the Roman élite viewed the Afers and Mauretanii.
Do we know more specifically where the Vandal regiment was stationed?. I have only ever been able to find out they existed but nothing about their placement and what they did after that.
How do you make the maps in your videos? Thay are excellent, do you use an application of some sorts?
Hello! I actually have a template available on Reddit if you want to check it out! www.reddit.com/r/CrusaderKings/comments/l6v5ab/ck3_map_template/
@@KnowHistory thank you very much!
Can you please cover the history of the Caucuses mountains ?
The Avar and Vainukh tribes and so on.
Im Tunisian from el Djem famous for its Roman amphitheatre. I have blue eyes and so did my grandfather. In our village 10km from el Djem we have more families with blue/green eyes. I always assumed it to be a sign of Berber origin but who knows it could also be mixed with vandal genes? My grandfather looked like an Eastern European or Balkan people.
Many Vandals intermarried with Berber people so they probably have millions of descendants today.
Bro we north africans naturally have light eyes and light hair, some of us have dark hair some of us have light hair, i’m a moroccan and in my city it’s rare to find people with brown eyes. This has nothing to do with germanic people living in north africa for a couple years. Berber people are very diverse and we come in all colors.
Fascinating
Devias fazer um vídeo sobre a influência Púnica no Ocidente Peninsular (Portugal) e sobre Tribos peninsulares como os Cónios, aliados de Roma, Lusitanos e afins.
Excelentes vídeos!
First, thank you for this valuable topic, we can say also : It was a religious war against Rome, The Vandals were Arians, not believing in the divinity of Christ, like the North Africans who were Donatists, They united against the Romans and defeated them, One of the most important events the death of Augustine, the prominent religious leader of the Romans, he died after the Vandal siege of his city of Hippo 430 AD.
Because history is written by the victor, the victorious Byzantines finally wrote about the barbarism of the Vandals who differed from them in faith, but not much was written about the barbarism of the Romans against the peoples who held monotheistic beliefs, and who followed Arius and Donatus like some Germans and North Africans.
Welcome back
Thank you!
9:23 Correction what you meant to call the religion of both halves of the Roman Empire is “Nicene Christianity” not Catholicism since East and West haven’t split off into the Great Schism of 1054, so Catholicism wasn’t a thing yet. The Vandals did practice Arian Christianity though and hated Nicene Christianity for labeling them heretical. Nicene Christianity was the mainstream branch of Christianity largely practiced by the late Roman Empire and eventually due to language, culture and politics by the 11th century would split off into the Latin Catholic West and the Greek Orthodox East.
The distinction is messy and there's not a certain time at which the term catholic can be applied, but the term was widely used to refer to the Roman centred See long before the great schism. The Great Schism was just the final, official seperation of East and West, yet Catholicism as a unique part within this greater pre-schism church can definately be pointed to as a distinct thing. It's not as if the schism happened and the term 'catholic' came to exist, the difference between east and west was brewing for centuries prior.
To make it messier, Catholic could also refer to the whole Nicene church, that being the state church of the Eastern Roman Empire and the church of Rome combined. Hugely messy and confusing. Cyril of Jerusalem specifically refered to the "Catholicos" to differentiate these christians from other christians who did not follow the Roman state church.
Finally, even if these people didn't specifically use the term catholic to refer to themselves (it was complicated), we can still go back and apply the term to the church that would go on to become the definative, independent church under the Bishop of Rome, and historians do all the time - especially when you contrast it to the Arian christians who were definatively not part of this 'proto' catholic church. Still, the term works and is accepted among historians as an identifiable way to refer to this institution.
So yes, you are right, but also, so is using the term catholic. Possibly it's confusing and can conflate the modern church with the 'proto' catholic church?
The migration of the Vandals to Algeria was not a conquest but rather a migration, which was followed by religious wars. Rome, or what is referred to as Caesar's Rome, was situated in Algeria. Italy was considered a colony, which helps explain the unclear reasons for the decline of Rome. Western Rome encompassed the center of Algeria up to the Malwia River, currently within Morocco. The religious landscape included Arius, Christians, and Judaism. Eastern Algeria represented Christian Rome, with Constantine as the capital city and religious centers such as Hippo and Petra to the west of Hippo. Maps from French and Catalonian open archives indicate the presence of the holy city Baca in the center of Algeria, east of Algiers.
The Vandals' migrations bear similarities to those referenced in the Quran. However, it appears that Muslims interpret the verses incorrectly.
Muslim records lack clarity regarding the origins and geography of Islam. Saudi Arabia is known as the land of the Qarmatians, who Muslims claim created a new Kaaba. There is a lack of authentic records detailing the rise and decline of the Vandals, although the wars and events of the Vandals seem to align with Muslim history, suggesting a potential discrepancy in calendars.
Certain events mentioned in the Quran align with Vandal events. For example, Surah Rome describes the defeat and subsequent triumph of the Romans, which correlates with the Rhine crossing where Vandal tribes allied with Rome against the Franks. Surah Toubah verse 25 references the Battle of Ḥunain, possibly corresponding to the city of Honaine in western Algeria, known since the Roman era. Honaine is situated in a district called Tlemcen whch is called the capital of Ziane.
Unfortunately, Europeans tend to distort history, with many Algerian cities, particularly larger ones, inhabited by people claiming descent from Andalusian (Vandalusian) ancestors.
Western Rome's decline was not military defeat but conversion to Islam, perplexing European historians. In contrast, Christian Rome was supposedly defeated by God according to the Quran, with no survivors to recount the events. the Quran mentioned it as natural disaster in Surah Ahzab.
In your specialization in Vandal history, I hope you consider these points, as they may illuminate missing pieces of the puzzle.
Dan Gipson and Patricia Crone challenged Muslims to prove Islam's origin in Saudi Arabia, but no scholar has provided a satisfactory answer. Gipson claimed Petra was the heart of early Islam, but the Petra in Jordan was ruins named by European archaeologists, while the real Petra lies in Algeria, west of Hippo exist on old maps made in euope.
This explains why 70% of the wars between Muslims and Europeans were conducted by Algerians, and it also clarifies why there were almost no Christians in Algeria and North Africa, while there are almost 30% Christians in Egypt and the Middle East.
This is gonna sound silly, but do you have the character DNA for the model you used for justinian?
My game actually crashed on that one, I usually save them, tho I forgot a couple on this video :'D I have Bonifatius, Alaric and Stillico saved if you want any of them!
Hes back
I just don't know when the next upload will be :P
I'm from the north west of Tunisia, our region is berber, and there are vandals mixed with berbers, we have entire tribes and families with blond hair and colored eyes in the region who have vandals ancestors.
Dna research in this area would be very interesting
Fantastic video, but idk about using vanilla Attila for the total war shots bro. If you want any assistance with that, lmk I can offer my services.
I actually don't play Total War, It's not my type of game so I don't know anything about it or how to properly set battles, I'd love to learn to record better shots if you don't mind teaching me!
This shows exactly how French, despite being a Latin derived language, is so heavily influenced by old Germanic when the Franks were still living on the northern side of the Rhine
Mhmm french is a fascinating example of the mixing of different languages. Their mostly Latin vocabulary with some very odd (for romance languages) pronunciation and little spice of Germanic in there is super interesting!
i recommend human phenotype mod for ck3
Thank you! I'll check it out!
Is it updated?
@@Yahya-sb1yo not sure
If you think of it Vandal might actually be were we get the name Wendal
Wandilaz is the Germanic name of the tribe
Please I need my dose of ancient history
Crazy to think that the scythians managed to reach portugal, then Cartago and formed their kingdom there and also had a kingdom in today part of china, india, and russia 😂 truly a people needed to talked about along with the germans
Yes alans are scythians and spoke scythian language
Sadly they didn't hold a kingdom of their own for long as they mostly traveled with the Vandals, it would be interesting to see a Alanic kingdom flourish so far away from their homeland,
@@KnowHistory yeah, its so sad to see the western Alan-Vandal confederation only exist for such a small of time.
@@nicetas2344What made it more sad is that many people have forgotten that Alans was a part of Alan-Vandal Kingdom and only sees it as germanic kingdom but not Iranic-german kingdom knowing Alans is iranic
@@ACIron-en6ij yeah, most of my "nerd" friend always forgot that the great migration isnt just a german migration, alans, roxolani, and sarmatian have settled around kiev, as for the alans they splintered into a couple camps some settled among the germanics (huedi vandals), the venedi (slavs) also moved to around kiev some even suggested have settled among the Iazyges. The magyars have move into kazakhstan today (well some people suggested that proto magyars were moving in 300-500ad).
But hey atleast the alans had a good run and still have descendants in georgia and russia. Unlike the iazyges whove been a client state of rome for a long time and just went poof from history, either got conquered by germanics or slavs, or just fall back into the stepps once again.
are you using ck3 to explain this?!
yes!
Just wanna add that Catholics in here is Chalcedonian Christians, the west and east split hadnt happened yet. Many german tribes adopted arian sect after the chalcedonian banished them outside the empire. The sassanid side with the arian, and let them have their pope rule from around baghdad. This is also one of the reason why they move further east, to hejaz, india, turkic lands, uyghur lands, mongolia and eventually chinese han lands and sumatra (indonesia).
Its interesting how a banned sect in rome eventually made their brush on the recent history by moving north ( I assume the roman saw germania and dacia as north, or maybe west) and east.
The nestorians still exist in india (split between 3 community iirc, malankaran one, syriac one, and charismatic protestant one, this one is weird tbh). In syria and iraq among the assyrians. And in nepal (the protestant one)
I honestly would love to know more about the early Indian Christians, it's honestly something I never heard anyone talk about that much. They've always fascinated me
@@KnowHistory Same here man, I felt close to them and fascinated on how they managed to exist in such small community, without priest or even in hiding for most of the time. Look up the Mar Thoma community if youre interested, its a community of christians in south india who claim ancestry to the first indian converted by St. Thomas himself. Its being split into eastern orthodox, latin, nestorian and protestant (charismatic and anglican) churches. But they all had the same essence, Syro-Indian, their believe might different from churches to churches but I cant blame them, they hold out alone for 2000 years, sometimes without leaders, just existing is already a great feat. My people (sumatra) lost christianity back in 9th century, before the latin and german brought it back in 17th century.
8:42 _"Save for Sicily where they only managed to get a hold of the _*_southern_*_ tip."_
But your map shows them holding the *western* tip?
A script error I think, sorry. I'm not sure if I read it wrong and that got through, or the script was simply wrong. Our bad - the narrator.
That's answers my question as a tunisian i always wondered if we are in north africa , why do we have a significant number of tunisian blonde people?
I'm not sure the demographics of North Africa too far, but you also find very 'european' looking people all over the middle east. Many Palestinians have blonde hair and fair skin, and many Iranians look like they could be German. I'm not sure if the Vandals actively made a huge change here, but it's surely worth researching. :)
Likely because of the ancient influx of Bell Beaker culture from Europe back in the Early Bronze Age. That would explain why it's still nevertheless extremely rare (they're probably 0,1% of native North Africans today).
@@Arthur-pc1eh wtf are you saying 0.1%??
there are many too many. like 1/10 person is blonde so is like 10% of population of 100% blonde not to mention the mixed blondies . you have no idea about tunisia you should have a visit
The Alans are the nowadays Ossets split in the region Russia( North Ossetia) and Georgia(South Ossitia)
But these are Iranian people, their numbers are small, and the second is from the Baltic peoples
@@user-fl5mq9kp7gAlans were Iranian people and their language is old Ossetic
Wasn't Carthage utterly destroyed and salted long before this happened? Did it recover? I feel like I'm missing some vital background info lol.
Yeah it was redeveloped by Julius Caesar in the first century AD and had grown substantially since
It was rebuilt by the Romans - as for the salting, it's most probably a myth.
that was about 500-600 years prior to the arrival of the vandals.
Salted?it's just myth .I am tunisian and I can tell you that our land it's not salted
was kinda hoping to find out how the vandal culture dissapeared, if it regained independence from the Byzantines or if they were assimilated entirely before the arab conquest of the region
Would also be interested to know. lol
There was no culture imprint, they were a minority amongst an overwhelming berber land that were secluded and gone in a short time, hence why you find no culture
Arid land? North Africa mediterranean coast was, and kinda nowadays, a fertile land producing lots of crops. In fact the roman province of Africa was the granery of Rome, and it was also direct competence with the province of Baetica in the production of olive oil. If youve never beeing there, its much less arid than many parts of Spain, for example, or Sicily.
Bonjour, Diamond Jim
Shouldnt you be using imperator instead of medeival ck.
Imperator is classical, the middle ages are said to start after the fall of Rome, which is around the time the vandal kingdom existed, hence my choice of game!
I first thought that they were germans in North Africa
And I was not shock
i always wandered what happened to vandalic dna after the fall of their african kingdom
It exists in some North Africans but very rare.
Nothing, they were too few Vandals to leave any detectable signal genetically. At best, we might find some rare haplogroups in modern populations of eastern Algeria and Tunisia. Overall, the genetic landscape of the area is either standard Berber (the majority) or mainly Berber with Arabian admix.
the fact that most of them got transferred to the Persian frontier after the Byzantine reconquest of North Africa didn't help either
@@cmd7930 It doesn't, the Vandals almost never mixed with the native north africans and saw them as lesser.
They were sold into slavery
Why do you thing Austria is named Ostreshs ..? (Oustrech-Ostrogoths)
What do you mean the rolling sands and arid lands of North Africa 😂😂😂. North Africa was Rome's breadbasket, the climate is not different than say Sicily, or Southern Spain. We have mountains, forests rivers etc. The vandals probably hunted boars and deers in our woods.
It's even funnier when our "small" stretch of fertile land in algeria is bigger than the UK, nevermind the whole maghreb together
Their choice for Roman Africa to establish a kingdom was no random act.
Early Lybia was mostly included in what later be called Africa Romana- roughly modern day Tunisia - and Lybian was the Homeland of Arius the Master of a then thriving school of Jesus 's followers...They did not consider themselves as Christiani ...Hence the disdain they had for the Trinitarian Church..which head layed in Hippo reggia..that is also why they besieged the Town because if they could capture Saint Augustine - then Archbishop of Hippona they would have had Him recant Trinitarian doctrine and dogmas.
Let me put it simply ...The Vandals were fifth century " Jihadis" moved around probably by hunger and frost...but animated with a great attachement to Arius's teachings.
They reaffirmed Monotheistic values in North Africa thus making easier for Islam to be accepted in the region a little less than two centuries later.
You narrated too quickly their pass through Hispania. Vandals stayed a good while in the South of Hispania and that region was known as Vandalusia. Curiously this name remained after this region was conquered by Visigoths. When the Moors conquered Hispania, they used that name arabicized, Al-Andalus, and from that name, the Southern region of Spain in the Peninsula took the name of Andalucia nowadays.
Why was dalmatiansa and greek considered as romans? If cesar ended the last civil wars why would a pagan fraction not be considered as another roman civil war?
What is a ce?
It's a new made up word for liberals who don't want to say AD.
Oooo
Do we know if the Vandels left a genetic impact in North Africa?
None to 0
I love the Vandal invasions. They were probably the third Civ VI mod I designed. Good times.
Are there any Vandal descendants noticeable in Tunisia?
No
@@yxzhvw348 Well, live in your fantasy world then. What do you want me to do?
Yes in the north west of Tunisia we have an entire tribes, but mixed mainly with berbers and arabs but their features are different blond hair and colored eyes
@yxzhvw348that’s probably from a European slave
@yxzhvw348from the Barbary pirates
That one fellow named for living in a hut may have thought he was carrying on a legacy.
Vandals be gangsta till Justin sends Belisari
0:48 - both Goths and Vandals inhabited the area of the modern day Poland and it was apparently still remembered in the begining of the Polish statehood. Polish rulers were dubbed the rulers of Goths and Vandals: duke Mieszko I was dubbed "the ruler of Vandals" by a German chronicle writer, whereas his son, king Bolesław the Brave was dubbed king od Goths on his tombstone ("Rex Gothorum, Slavorum, Polonorum" - king of Goths, Slavs and Poles).
this is because the vandals were a slavic tribe, named after the mythical queen wanda (wandale which translates into vandals and vandali in english and latin)
@@suchymkThey weren't. Modern day Poland and some Czech land was first occupied by germanic people. And not slavs.
@@ICaImI romans called all people who lived in central europe and were not nomad germanics, that means that: goths, vandals, venedi, suebi and everyone was germanic to the romans
@@suchymk Goths are germanic as are vandals. Do you even know where goths are from? GOTLAND. How are slavs there? Look up the origin of slavic tribes. It's not in poland, czech or silesia. You are being disingenuous.
@@ICaImI 'goths came from gotland threfore theyre germanic' lmao ok, all humans came from africa but that doesnt make all of us africans
goths were slavic, people from modern day Poland have much more goth dna than people from modern day germany, thats more than enough to be slavic. btw the slavs did live in the vistula region even before Jesus was born. vandals were slavic too, the reason theyre viewed by germanics is because winners write history and it just so happens germanics run the world
Using CK3 characters for these types of videos is such a good idea
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what happened to the vandals that stayed in tunisia and those who were guarding the persian frontier?
They were either killed or relocated to the persian frontier
Maybe a few migrated west? But none of them stayed in the imperial province as far as i kniw
BerBer is an Aramaic term (Herodotus).....I ll be giving you bits & pieces...
"The arab land of North Africa"
I don't think that land was Arab yet... ?
How many Vandals are we talking about here? thousands? tens of thousands? over a hundred thousand?
BC/AD not BCE/CE
Imagine if we today had german tunisia. That would be weird
And extremely interesting to explain!
North Africa has always been part of the metatrainian world. A giant desert separates it from the rest of Africa.
AD, not CE.
Indeed!
Who cares
@@user-kt8hf9tx6h Who cares? Anyone who thinks Western civilization is worth preserving, but then you probably can’t define a woman.
I wonder: if they had not had a civil war and if they had repelled the attack of Byzantium, would the history of North Africa be very different today? The germanic realm on the territory of North Africa, which has withstood the attacks of strong enemies and time. It would be simply amazing if they had survived and lived up to today...
They still have some impact in tunisian and East Algerian dna
@@younas258Stop lying
@@younas258they have zero impact
The 'Lugii' sound like a Celtic tribe, named after the god Lugh (????)
Reconquered quickly and easily by the Romans thanks primarily to the desire of the local people to cast off their barbarian overlords and rejoin the empire. Oh also, the vandals weren't occupied in a civil war, they had two local uprisings that were quickly put down. One in Sardinia
Not quite.
The primary factor to the swift defeat of the Vandals at the hand of Belisarius was that the main-army of the Vandals was busy suppressing a revolt on Sardinia.
The local people in fact cared very little about who their overlords were. In fact, the Vandal elites themselves were quite romanized themselves, and Roman culture continued to thrive under their rule, with them maintaining and expanding public buildings such as baths and amphitheaters as well as funding latin writers and literature.
Furthermore, the initial plan Justinian III pursued during the war was not a conquest, but rather deposing of the illegitimate usurper Gelimer and reinstating Hilderich, who himself was educated at the imperial court in Constantinople, a personal friend of Justinian III and whos lineage was recognized by both halves of the Roman Empire in addition to being a descendant of Valentinian III, as the king ('Rex') of Africa.
This plan became obsolete once Gelimer had Hilderich executed after Belisarius landed in Africa. With no heir recognized by the ERE left, Justinian III had no choice but to directly annex the Vandal kingdom.
Why no mention of the Iranian tribes? The Alans are an Iranic tribe not Germanic.
Your vandal looks like bill hader in a beard
I'm from there, we call it Tunisia these days.
now I get it where I get my temper from and why I like only Germans (I don't like other European bigots).
You are *DAESH/ISIS* , no germanic
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@@mohaglade4892 taw eni n7ib nrmi m3ana 3ala h!tlér z3ma z3ma w t9oli tl7is xD
you would fit in with all the immigrants
@@Cataquack823 in ww3 you might become immigrant.
So youre telling me we was kangs and such?
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1~ بربر من اصول اوربا
2~بربر من اصول جزيرة العرب
3~ بربر من اصول النوبة الافريقية
البربر البائدة ..
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If tribe lives different place many years are they still same tribe
Maybe, I imagine it depends on if they keep their customs and language alive
BC and AC
Vandals are the reason muslims named the iberian peninsula as Al-Vandalus or Al-Andalus, as they heard iberian peninsula was the homeland of the Vandals.
Its crazy to see almost no male decandants of the haplogroup I ( germanics ) survived in North Africa , its almost exclusvily Semitic Arab / phonecian and African Berber. What the hell happened to the male vandals ?
I am also interested in the whole kingdom of the germanic and alan tribes (white caucasians), and there is no legacy left...
Conquests doesnt always bring DNA change
Majority of cases it doesnt change anything
Especially that vandals were very small in numbers and got a lot of them killed and the rest relocated
It's a shame for the british celts. So many unique peoples, cultures and kingdoms with their own languages and traditions were destroyed by the invasion of the anglo-saxons. It's a big loss...
@@Kamel_BenZat Its so crazy they didnt even leave behind 5%. Something might have happened.
@@Kamel_BenZat thanks for the information. I come from a berber tribe between Cannea a phonecian settlement as its western border and Tipaza a roman city in its east. South from us is the mausoleum of Mauretania. Some people fro there claim Tariq Ibn Zyads was from there or he passed that place . Is that credible ?
Ya'll must have forgot
Fun fact: the Vandals invented spray paint
the og Afrika core?
Its interesting how the Wends are the "Slavic pirates" and the Wend-als (Vandals) are "Germanic pirates". They also originate from the same region.
Wend likely comes from "Veneti", this has caused a lot of confusion in the past as the words appear related.
Previously we thought the vandals were therefore Slavic, but now we know they are East Germanic. A few people in the comments have pointed that the Vandals were Slavic, so the misunderstanding is still alive.
@calum5975 there is lot of proof on the internet that the vandals were slavs, theres even a transcripture of vandal prayer in their language and it doesnt resemble germanic in the slightest, infact its very very slavic language. sadly i cant post images in youtube comments
@k I am reading also that scholars are moving away from using the term "Germanic peoples" since they never called themselves that or Germans. This was exclusively used for a tribe west of the Rhine (Germani) according to Tacitus.
Its interesting, the Vandal King Gelimir (not mentioned here) rings to me cause, my Serbian grandfather was called Velimir :D
@@calum5975I think the reason for that is because if you look on a map nowadays these people come from polish/czech lands. And most people believe that if anything germanic people took lands from slavic people. In this case it's just not true. The Vandals and Goths moved away mainly because of the huns, while the slavic people were pushed into those regions by the huns. At least that is what I think happened. After all if you look at the region of origin for slavic tribes, they are definitely in the way of the huns. They probably were enslaved by them. And they probably used those slaves to settle the regions that then have been left by the germanic tribes that left.
@Vuks-ii8kp None of the germanic tribes called themselves germans. The only people who called the germanic tribes germans were the romans (alemanni). They didn't even see themselves as one people. They have however a shared ethnicity as we would see it nowadays. And the Vandals and Goths belong to that.
I mean the celts didn't call themselves that as well, and they didn't see themselves as one people. Yet we refer to them as one people. This is because all of our history from that time is from the perspective of the romans. And I think there is nothing wrong with that. It makes sense imo.
It would be more accurate to describe the church at the time as "Roman Orthodox" seeing as Catholics only realy became a thing later.
Most sources describe the church as Catholic, in the sense that they followed the Pope in Rome instead of the other Christian Patriarchs. The modern Catholic church, which means universal church, is pretty much a continuation of that. There were some regional differences between the followers of each patriarchate and North Africa at the time firmly and fanatically aligned themselves with the Roman pope.
Saint Augustine was definitely a catholic bishop.
the original Afrika core?
Ypu know a lot lol where are the Gold of Rom or the vandals or others
a decented (half at least) person from the vandals here , i must say germanic people still exists here in north africa , the are some vandal towns in the north west of tunisia and north east of algeria who preserved the germanic look, this is not a bold claim as i personally related to one of them . i am a white man with black hair , my grand mother has green eyes and blond hair, many of my cousins has blond hair , in conclusion the vandals did not leave north africa they stayed and became berber.
You are a resident of North Africa, as I understand it? Are there many like you out there? It's just very interesting, I didn't expect that their people had descendants who live to this day...
@@vkusnoochen8481 well i can't fully claim i'm purely from the vandals but a mix , small villages deep in the mountains where you only find people with blond hair and green eyes and it happens that they are all around hippo reguiss , their first home.
With all that said, the only explanation is that these people are decented from the vandals, including my grandmother.
No they arent
Why are you larping ? 😂
@@AB-fr2ei that's the only explanation of white berbers with green eyes and blonde hair 🤷
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First of all thats very rare and its just light brown hair most of the time and second you dong need foreign dna to have those features thats just sexual selection/adaption/evolution from the natives (and the greeks 1000 years before the time of vandals were saying that some lybics/ancient berbers did have some rare light features sometimes)
Especially among west eurasians
Vandals/germanics left no dna, maghrebis (algerians/moroccans/tunisians) are berber genetically with some few drops of SSA too
The only other explaination would be foreign female slaves during the medieval/early modern period
Vandals were more Slav- as German-related
Extremely fanatical? (in the part where you talk about Catholics), you are just saying that they were religious. because the conflicts and deaths caused by heretics were enormous at that time, It is normal that the Catholic population also hated the vandals.
It's not that they hated the vandals, the north African population was really one of the most religious at the time. They followed every bit of the bible word by word, that's basically what distinguished them from other parts of the empire.
My grandfather end I did some investigation into our familys history years ago.
And found out that one of the persons we hail from was the first dude to beat the Vandals in a cavalry charge.
Ad not ce
Some say that vandals came from hallingdal in Norway 🇳🇴
Norse and Germans are related
Fascinating, now tell me, what event caused this 'common era' to occur?
The Romans and the Early Germans were the precursor to the Americans and Latin Americans issue today. It's bad.