Erhnam-Armageddon GWU Mid Range Budget 9394 DECK TECH
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- čas přidán 24. 03. 2019
- It's finally here! The Green/White/Blue Erhnam-Ageddon deck!
This deck was collaboratively designed with my subscribers over a month ago on a live stream that will be going live later today or tomorrow. I have been super busy since then but I have been testing this deck and making changes.
This list does include more expensive cards then normal for my mid-range Old School deck series... but a cheaper list is posted below that only uses 4 dual lands.
=== Deck List (bit more spendy...) ===
- spells -
4x Llanowar Elves
1x Birds of Paradise
4x Argothian Pixies
4x Savannah Lion
4x Serendib Efreet
4x Erhnam Djinn
3x Armageddon
4x Disenchant
3x Swords to Plowshares
3x Energy Flux
1x Chaos Orb
1x Regrowth
- Mana -
2x Forests
2x Plains
4x Savannah
4x Tundra
4x Tropical Island
2x City of Brass
1x Strip Mine
2x Mishra's Factory
2x Pendlehaven
1x Sol Ring
- sideboard -
3x Blue Elemental Blast
3x Power Sink
1x Mana Drain
1x Swords to Plowshares
2x Dust to Dust
3x Concordant Crossroads
1x Balance
1x Maze of Ith
=== Deck List (less expensive version) ===
- spells -
3x Llanowar Elves
3x Birds of Paradise
3x Argothian Pixies
3x Savannah Lion
3x Serendib Efreet
3x Erhnam Djinn
3x Armageddon
4x Disenchant
3x Swords to Plowshares
2x Energy Flux
2x Land Tax
2x Sylvan Library
1x Chaos Orb
1x Regrowth
- Mana -
5x Forests
4x Plains
2x Islands
4x Savannah
3x City of Brass
1x Strip Mine
4x Mishra's Factory
1x Sol Ring
- sideboard -
3x Blue Elemental Blast
2x Power Sink
1x Mana Drain
1x Energy Flux
1x Swords to Plowshares
2x Dust to Dust
3x Concordant Crossroads
1x Balance
1x Maze of Ith
=== ETME INFO ===
/ edwin_the_magic_engineer
edwinthemagicengineer@gmail.com
PO Box 2333
Windermere, FL 34786 - Hry
I love your Deck Techs
Especially budget versions
Glad to hear it, more coming!
Awesome! I always look forward to more decktech from you :]
Erhnamgeddon is a true classic deck
Thanks man, yeah such a classic!
Holy crap! That deck looks like it would be really fun to play!
Nicely done sir!
They are indeed. Fun and quite classic!
Awesome deck.. very solid start. This deck has been competitive for a long time and loads of fun
Absolutely yes. I think a build not to far off from this took 3rd place at the Winter Derby out of like 142 decks!
Keep up the good work. Missed the live stream. Building a lower budget just green white with more elves/ birds to replace moxen...noticed no sylvan library's
Thanks again again Mr. Edwin!! I like this build always too, yours is great also. This deck always shined against other creature decks. If using no Duals, I’d cut Blue entirely, I’m not so sure about Savannah Lions either, I know what you’re trying to do yet I think it would be worse in practice since you’ll need so much WUG on the first turn most games... thanks again my dude!
It's for sure possible the Lions are not beefy enough, but remember this deck is played differently based on what's in it. This build is meant to get creatures on the board between turns 1-3 and drop a Geddon turn 4 putting them behind the curve.
I love how the less expensive version of this deck can mostly be made from your budget old school decks. Nice jumping off point!
awesome content as always ed! thanks
I really like this deck tech. Ive build a budget GW version so far, using 4 cities, and only 2 savannahs, but it’s working! Very fun deck to take to a little friends gathering and surprise everyone at the kitchen table 😅 especially vs people who mostly play standard.
Ive splashed demonic tutor, mind twist, fireball, and braingeyser in my build (im using 1 basic island that usually get landtaxed). Very fun! Less early aggression but more control 🥳
Energy flux and Armageddon is a great combo. Nice video.
I made a deck similar to this one but I don't have some of the cards but I threw in 3 Pikemen and 3 Juggernauts instead of Elves and Pixies so my Pikemen could band with the Lions and especially the Juggernauts. Great video man!
This deck looks sweet. Very straightforward so it looks easy to pilot.
Indeed, it's a great deck to learn the format from.
I really like Ur videos Edwin! I'm really considering to restart playing MTG!!
One of my earliest MTG decks is a classic g/w ernhamgeddon. I still remember saving a lot of lunch money to buy the deck. Good, old times. I think it's time to rebuild the deck. Thank you Edwin! More power mate!
This type of deck was one of my earliest competitive builds as well. I remember playing a GWR version and using Stormbind for removal back in the day.
@@EdwintheMagicEngineer ah yes, I remember stormbind. I used to do a couple of Giant growth + berserk on an ernham or Serra angel during those times. Cheers Edwin. :)
Great video! Well worth the wait!
Brainstorm: could an argument be made for a tranquility in the SB be made for this deck?
I would take out the two havens for sure with that build 2 more factory for sure I mean why not you got that much aggression !!
Lestree’s Erhnamgeddon deck from pro tour NY was my favourite as a kid. Glad you did a vintage one.
This is is Old School format not Vintage but yeah :)
Edwin the Magic Engineer haha you are right. I’ve so much of an old school mindset though, 93/94 mtg was vintage to me. Anything past Urza’s when WOTC was sold is just something else
Edwin the Magic Engineer also, what do you recommend for replenishing hand other than ancestral recall? Lestree used to run Sylvian library, but anything else?
Sylvan and Land Tax is about the best I know of to replenish hand, fits the colors, and is not super expensive.
But when you devote 4-6 cards in the deck to adding Sylvans and Taxes you really do give up a LOT of card slots and your creature aggression or control suffers a lot.
Great video! Many thanks Edwin. FYI - in your deck list you have named the energy flux as “aether flux”
whoops, thanks for catching that!
Ok fixed now, thanks again.
I love the build, I'm ready to start building it! I'm also thinking of splashing 1 or 2 Jacques Le Vert with the 4 BoP variant. a 0/3 Birds to block Hippies or a 2/3 Pixies to stop all 2/X creatures
Sounds cool, let me know how it works! And please also note what your general meta is that you are playing against.
@@EdwintheMagicEngineer We just had a 33-person tournament this weekend. I forget what the Top 8 mainly consisted of. But there were quite a few spicy decks. Mono-white Archeologist / Bottle Suleiman deck, UBR Guardian Beast / Chaos Orb "Pain Train" deck, The Rack deck, Disco Troll decks, UR Burn deck, A Mono-Blue Merfolk deck (with Unstable Mutation & Serendibs) came in 2nd, etc
I was playing a classic Pink Weenie and I got destroyed mainly by Earthquakes and Hippies
Lol Jacques Le Vert... that’s awesome
Came out great!!!
Indeed, also check out the "more budget" version at the bottom of the video description.
Edwin the Magic Engineer are you gonna be at GP Vegas???
this is a very neat deck, please play with it live
Btw Edwin. Would it be possible for you to post a decklist or video of g/w version of ernhamgeddon? Cheers mate.
So much yes!!!
I wanna see your premodern deck techs !!!
Any ideas or thoughts on a budget old school tron or artifact deck?
I quit using Chaos Orb in my decks. At events I've noticed about a 50% miss rate. Maybe a bit less than that, but still. I've both won and lost matches because of missed Orb flips (on both mine and my opponents part). I just prefer to utilized more reliable removal. Missing an Orb flip when it's absolutely critical is not a fun way to lose a match.
2 x Gaeis Cradles for mama boost after the Armageddon bomb. Armageddon then cradle? Just a thought.
Wow Nice Deck! I Think Ill comeback and build this Deck!! You talk about it , can you played without duals lands? If yes what Will be your land composition? Thanks love your chanel
Thanks for the kind words. If you had to build this without dual lands then I would lean into Land Tax and Sylvan Library. So make the deck green white and consider skipping the blue unless you were willing to run Birds of Paradise and City of Brass.
@@EdwintheMagicEngineer at least I have 4 Bird and City ! I should bought all duals lands when I was young lol.. ill
Would you ever consider using Titania's Song rather than Energy Flux? I understand it would be less effective, but with Titania's Song all moxes and black lotuses would be destroyed since their casting cost is zero and you wouldn't need to splash blue to get Energy Flux.
I knew this is what it was going to be. 🤘🏻
You know the format!
I can actually say I was ALL OVER THE MAP testing this out and I still landed on a list like this. I even got to a point where I was playing with Land Tax, Sylvan, Winds of Change and looking at dropping some lands edge in there.
But none of the builds I tried ended up being as solid as a pretty straightforward list.
Yeah, I went with 4 birds, Mindtwist and Demonic Tutor . Super fun deck to play, and does really well against pretty much anything you’ll face.
@@AlbinoTurtles Going bigger (and 5c!) with the deck is also a fun way to go. In any case, if splashing black, don't forget to pack a Derelor ;)
(1) Since you're making the effort of playing with basics, wouldn't you want to play Tranquility in the sideboard instead of Crossroad? It kills the Abyss but also gets you out of the Blood Moon hole, which is a big weakness of the deck.
(2) Have you tested with Counterspell instead of Power Sink and found the Counterspells hard to cast?
(3) Have you tried Braingeyser?
1. Tranquility is for sure a solid sideboard option in this build!
2. Yeah counterspell was indeed harder to cast.
3. The way I play this build I hold back lands to bluff and recover from geddon so the geysers are often weak... but it can work.
2. That's weird, I never had this problem in the Derby. But in EC yea, 10 U sources is on the low side for UU.
3. Yes, it doesn't fit well at all with how the deck is built to operate. It's just that geddon gets sided out so often and geyser is so powerful, even if you just fire it for X=3, I'm wondering if it's not worth a slot, even if in the sideboard, you know?
3. I do know what you mean about Braingeyser often being worth it for even just 3. But also don't forget this... the more broken cards your deck has, the better generic draw becomes. In The Deck your Braingeyser might dig down to a time walk, ancestral recall, the abyss, demonic tutor, mind twist, etc. But in a deck without those expensive bombs what I likely would be digging FOR was likely the "sideboarded answer" that already took the slot of the Braingeyser. If that Braingeyser was already a Dust to Dust, or Counter, or Maze of Ith... would that have just been better to just draw that answer-card?
2. True, color does get more limited in EC versus Swedish. But this deck is meant to operate with 2-4 lands on the board to bluff and be ready for geddon. So two of those mana being blue is not as easy. And since i'm already actively denying mana to my opponent the power sink is more effective then normal games. Also if I only have a single blue showing people get a bit more bold about casting stuff into potential countermagic. Also... people tend to tap mana rocks first, then best lands last. A power sink often sets me up for a geddon next turn even if they stopped my power sink. They often end up tapped out while I geddon and hopefully play a flux too.
You should have used Revised Serindib's just to confuse your opponent.
Lol
i also live in Orlando what lgs do you go to
im usually at csi Maitland
I've been to the Cool Stuff Inc in Maitland one time. But it's a 40 min drive from my place. I'm much closer to the South Orlando one. I have not gone in very much, but we are planning to do another Old School meet up at some point soon! Send me an email (email is in my video description)
No arabian nights erhnam djinns :) really prefer the old cards- just got my playset today§
Congrats
Stupid question can you use collectors edition when playing old school?
Yes! Also no worries not a stupid question, but a relevant question regarding major tournaments, only then would people care, and most of us old schoolers just want folks to play against :)
MTG Means Magic I’m trying to get into the format but I can only afford collectors edition power :/
@@lvsexgtr Yes most games and events DO in fact allow collectors Edition. Only a few weird WOTC DCI events don't.
Remember also that 4th Edition, Chronicles and others are also allowed. The rule is original artwork, original card frame, non foil and it's allowed in terms of reprints.
Edwin the Magic Engineer awesome I sent you and email too!
where are the Sylvan Libraries
Dude... there is a long list of cards in the "where is the...." category LOL!
I also put a "more budget" version of this deck in the video description and with that one I have two Land Tax and two Sylvan Libraries. I opted for this build to be more aggressive so creatures in those slots. But the budget deck will struggle a bit more to get the mana, so the Sylvan/Land Tax combo seems more fitting in that build without the dual lands.
@@EdwintheMagicEngineer sylvan makes less sense without landtax and Basics...
@@hastemal00 indeed
I really like your Videos. But isn't your tech just a metagame call?
Yes, but it seems to work out a lot in modern day Old School. Everybod seems to play with mana rocks if not other artifacts too
why play three energy flux mainboard and not 3 concordant crossroads. situational hate is always worse than game plan acceleration.
Because in the Meta's I play in half the decks are playing The Deck, and a good 40% of the rest of the field also has lots of Artifacts. So it's been a great main deck play so far. In other words.. it's not very situational, it's typical.
Geddon is not the fastest creature deck and Concordant Crossroads speeds up your opponents stuff too... I've had that backfire at the wrong times.
@@EdwintheMagicEngineer fair enough
above 60 is never good
You mean for deck size?
If your goal is to draw cards that were intended to be played every game and you have 1-4 copies of those based on restrictions, then yes less cards in your deck is better because it increases your odds of drawing them.
Having said that... I have seen rare occasions where a combo deck just HAD to have a couple more card slots to fit in needed combo pieces or needed answers to opponent decks. But it's pretty rare and usually a really good deck designer that can read a metagame can find a way to eliminate those extra slots.
@@EdwintheMagicEngineer I thought like that, but then I played on the Pro Tour and the Frank Karstens and Paulo Da Vita Rosas of this world taught me better.
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@@Blackadder75 First, know that guy is way too young to have played in all the original blocks when MTG was very different then what it is today.
Second, know that back in those days there was very few options to do many things you wanted to do. Want to trade life? There is one card for it. Want a Tutor? There is one card and it's restricted. Etc. Combo decks were not nearly as big a thing until around Urza's block came out. That gave a lot more combo pieces but the glue cards to stitch them together was still much more few and far between.
With far fewer cards in the pool you left putting together really clunky combo type decks. I built many combo decks where once you were done with mana and combo pieces... you literally only had a couple slots for cards to defend/answer. It was those days when you would be forced to go 61, 62 or just play something else.
There are also times where mill strategies have been big and you can some advantage going a bit thicker. This is mostly seen in draft where a 40 card deck is legal. Mill is much stronger there.
Anyways, having said all that... Like I said before it's VERY RARE that going above the minimum is better. I have built perhaps a few thousand custom decks in my days and only a couple of them really needed to go above the min.
@@EdwintheMagicEngineer that young whippersnapper Paulo explains why it is still wrong, even in those rare cases that it might look right... But hey, feel free to ignore it, as he explains, it is a VERY TINY edge and you would have to play hundreds of matches with the same deck to notice a difference in win rates
@@Blackadder75 He gives his opinion sure. Does not mean he's right.
And again, not all blocks of cards are the same. He's probably right given the sets he's talking about. But not for all sets/formats