Disco Troll: Old School 93/94 Deck Tech (Mid-Price Black/Red)
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- čas přidán 5. 01. 2019
- NOTE: My apologies to everybody, I forgot that Maze of Ith is restricted to 1 in Eternal Central Old School Rules. So that one card in the Sideboard would need to rotate with something else.
The mid-level expense Budget Old School deck series is back with video 2 of the series! A mid-level expense version of Disco Troll that seems to be pretty solid! Here is the deck list.
== Deck List ==
4x Sedge Troll
4x Uthden Troll
2x Hypnotic Specter
4x Nevinrral's Disk
4x Lightning Bolt
2x Fireball
1x Chaos Orb
2x Pestilence
4x Stone Rain
4x Sinkhole
1x Mind Twist
1x Demonic Tutor
1x Wheel of Fortune
2x Fork
== Mana ==
4x Badlands
4x Strip Mine
3x City of Brass
4x Mishra's Factory
1x Sol Ring
3x Mountain
5x Swamp
== Sideboard ==
3x Blood Moon
4x Red Elemental Blast
2x Maze of Ith
3x Gloom
3x Shatterstorm
=== ETME INFO ===
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Email: edwinthemagicengineer@gmail.com
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Windermere, FL 34786 - Hry
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Disco Troll was my nickname in the 80s
Mike "Disco Troll" Hatcher! I love it!
Awesome deck! Really like this series and looking forward to more. Worth the wait!
Thanks for the feedback :)
Love you Ed, Get those good techs yo!!
Thanks man. If I was retired I could pump them out pretty fast. They unfortunately take a lot of work before making the video which is what slows them down. It takes time to build a deck, play test it, refine it, test more, refine it. etc.
im gonna sleeve this up! thanks for this man
Great video! Thanks for the breakdown!
Glad it was helpful!
I’m totally building this deck! Thanks
Hypnotic Specter along with disc is great also from one more side - If you swing with it and your opponent has no way to stop it, they will want to empty their hand quick to not lose card but if you have disc in play it can very often be the same for them because you can blow up their cards from the field.
I have all the pieces for the deck, except for the Badlands. I even have a Chaos Orb, which I paid a mere $60 for 7 years ago. Incredible how these old cards have spiked.
Hey Edwin, thanks for those Decktechs. I really like the decks you present snd the way you present them.
One thing though:
-If this Deck is supposed to be EC legal, you can only pack one
maze of ith.
They are restricted under EC rules.
Anyway greetings from the newly founded german old school groug CR.A.P.S (=CRowfield Ancient Papire Society) 😁👍
😅 of course. I'm late to mention this. Ayway, thanks for putting out old school content.
Looks fun forsure!
Indeed, and not terribly expensive! Well... at least compared to fully powered Tier 1 decks.
Thanks Mr. Edwin, awesome deck with some fun old tricks. Personally I always hate using City of Brass in a two color deck, but it’s a necessity I suppose for Sinkhole.
For sinkhole and fork yes.
Great vid! This build is very popular in my playgroup at the moment and I totally had to learn how to deal best with disks blowing up left, right and center!
I understand that you're not choosing for the Rukh Egg, because you're right, it's not as effective as a hippie. On the other hand, don't we play the format to enjoy these old cards. I think more people should make the Rukh Egg choice in general when building OS decks. I know, you're not going to win all the time, but casting an Egg and use it in combo with the disk.. WOW! That is infinite respect..
You have missed the point of my video series. The point was not to create nostalgic decks meant purely for fun and nothing else. The point of the budget deck series quite specifically is to demonstrate that competitive decks can be made on a budget. I'm disproving the incorrect assumption that unless you have big cards... you lose.
The entire point of these videos is to make the most competitive decks I can on a budget but within theme's/colors. Shifting gears and just going for fun is an entirely different goal. I AGREE it's valid and I do play cards for fun as well... But that's a different video series.
Also realize that what is "fun" is completely subjective to the person playing the deck. You might love Rukh Eggs but others might hate them and gather no fun from them. I cannot make videos nearly as well about what's fun for everybody... because everybody has a different notion of fun.
I hope that makes sense :)
@@EdwintheMagicEngineer No worries and I totally agree that you can play competitive without p9. However, I enjoy both. For me playing a nostalgic deck and win is the true challenge. Anyway, appreciate your deck tech and love the OS spirit. Keep it up!
Thanks Timmy.
Again to be clear... I feel the same way about playing Old School and doing games for fun. Many of my decks have sub-optimal card choices just because I love those cards so much and they are fun. I have fully powered decks and budget decks.
This video series was made to prove a point, that's all. The point of this series would be severely diminished if I made sub optimal card choices for any reason other then budget. People would watch a budget deck get beat and say "SEE SEE!! You lost because you didn't play The Deck or have full P9 etc!"
Maybe we can sling some spells one day :D
That would be great. Please send an email to my public account (email address is in the video description :) )
Cool vid like your take on it. I build a troll disco with a friend and we put hypnotic in there after a lot of play test and it improve the power of the deck drastically. I disagree about the fact that the hypnotic dosen't fit with the disk concept. the idea is not that he will survive the disk but he force the opponent to commit to the board and not keep is card in is hand. Without the hyppie once your opponent is aware of the fact that you play disc and he will keep all is disenchant for the it. Also we put 2 will-o-the wisp in there and they work great!
Disco Troll looks like a ton of fun, not to mention it probably preys heavily on THe Deck which I like.
I tried it against the Randy Buehler version of the Deck and it won 50% of the time :)
Wow I just made a deck similar to this! I just ordered my sinkhole’s for my deck. It’s a black red land destruction deck with blood moon in the main. It’s not disco troll but it’s mana denial with black knight, order of the ebon hand and black vise.
Awesome! Tell me how it works for ya
Hi edwin finallya new deck video 😁
Yep! They take a lot of time due to the creation, playtesting, refining, playtesting etc. of the decks themselves before I finally make a video.
@@EdwintheMagicEngineer if only dual land were not that expensive
You might like the Budget deck series then :)
czcams.com/play/PLzEy2xrioI9vzI1EbiJyH4HPn9CFnIxh9.html
Hey Edwin, I really enjoyed this deck tech.
I'm playing something similar, but I struggle with sideboarding. With the above deck/sb, what would you cut if going against the Deck? Do you cut the bolts for REBs? Reduce the creatures against the Abyss? I always find it difficult to find the right balance, keeping enough aggro while trying to include more control elements.
Hello! Nice explanation! Where can I find a link to your other Old School budget decks? :)
I've been thinking about making a Disco Troll deck. This gives me a good head start. Plus, 4 Stone Rain, 4 Sinkhole, and 4 Strip Mine? This is a deck after my own heart. I could see myself trying to fit in 4 blight as well, but I'm also a degenerate when it comes to land destruction... Looking forward to seeing it in action on video..... Thanks!
4 Blight would certainly up the land destruction. There's a fine balance there though... you can't just blow up mana = win. You need to deny mana effectively enough that they cannot answer YOUR threats.
That game plan fails when all you have is mana denial and no threats. So there ends up being the *right* amount of mana denial such that enough card slots are devoted to your own threats.
Does that make sense?
Oh yeah, for sure, land destruction isn't a win condition.... it should be though (not really)...
Heya ed cool deck. Isnt maze of ith restricted? Also why no earthquakes? Give it a shot it does work in my experience.
Yeah I realize that mistake with Maze of Ith, I forgot about that. Thanks for that.
These is a lot of small cheap flyers in the format and I wanted to hit them with pestilence instead of earthquake. I also like how you can kill with Pestilence.
I'm very curious about your UG decklist. 🙂
I would think Hymm to Tourach would work better over Hypnotic Spector and Fork
Entirely possible... In some situations for sure.
In the match up's I played it was surprising how useful the Specter and Forks were though.
Hi Edwin, may I suggest a deck tech for 93/94 format - necropotence deck, Ernham-geddon, turbo stasis, and RG land destruction. Have it powered and budget version. Thank you.
Btw, I'm almost finished with my White weenies.
There is no Necropotence in Old School, Alpha to Fallen Empires Only.
Ernham-aggeddon is indeed what I was planning for white/green :)
Traditional white/blue stasis might indeed be the pick for blue/white
@@EdwintheMagicEngineer ah ok, I thought necropotence is legal in 93/94 - sorry about that. Those decks I mentioned was my earliest decks on MTG. I started on a young age but no spending money to buy power 09 or dual lands.
Do any of your videos have a deck list for the UG Crazies deck? I know you did a deck tech when it still had red but wasn't sure about the new version.
Hi Enzo,
I posted a picture of the current list on my Instagram page. That's a great way to keep up with what I'm doing because I post more there an I also put more details/facts on there about daily events etc.
instagram.com/p/BqjBNziHVOZ/
Edwin the Magic Engineer this is awesome, much appreciated. As someone new to old school it's great finding resources like yourself. Getting to enjoy cards I didn't play with (started in Urza block when I was 6) I'm loving this format alot. Cheers!
Thanks for the feedback Enzo :)
Isn’t Maze of Ith Restricted in the EC format? I know in Swedish it can be 4x but I thought in EC it was restricted to 1?
Hi Alistair, yep. Same feedback by everybody. My mistake. Noted in the video description and all over these comments. Thanks for the eagle eye :)
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If you are going to play old school ...(dramatic pause) get a chaos orb.
Praying my Brother doesn't find your channel because I've been giving him a whooping using your deck ideas 🤣
LOL
Nice one!
Do you think Dark Ritual is dispendable in Old school? I can see some play on this deck...
The Dark Ritual is for sure a great card and fits perfectly in many decks. For this deck, the innate card disadvantage might be more negative then the speed is positive.
Remember that Dark Ritual is play trading card advantage for speed. Well packing strip mines and sinkhole means the land destruction game plan starts pretty darn fast.
The ABSOLUTE DEATH of a Land Destruction deck comes when your opponent either bleeds you out of cards in hand, or if they can out-speed your destruction and play threats you cannot answer before they kill you.
Dark Ritual helps a lot with speed, but after many games with a deck like this I have found that an empty hand will kill me more often then losing the mana race.
Sinkholes have been reprinted. Can u use those
Nope, the reprints have different artwork and foil :(
First like bam!
Hi Sean!
By the way... GREAT JOB on the Beckett Grading Services Q&A video man
@smith.r85 oh my gosh you are right! I forgot about that!
@@EdwintheMagicEngineer Thanks Edwin I tried. Wish it would have had more info personally but what can ya do?
Anyone here have oldschool meetups in Newyork?
There is INDEED an Old School group in New York. I think their big event is Lobstercon... look for that.
@@EdwintheMagicEngineer thanx ed ill look around my oldschool is complete soon and i learned to play in 94 all the decks u showcase ive played variants of them or against them as a kid the memories , win or lose looks like a blast
If I sent you a list of my deck would you critique it?
Hey Falco, I would be happy to but is it a Vintage, Legacy, or Old School deck? Those are the formats I'm the most familiar with current meta on.
@@EdwintheMagicEngineer Its primarily Legends, Unlimited and 3rd edition.
Ah so you made an Old School deck then? Cool yeah email it over to me! My email is in the video description :)
@@EdwintheMagicEngineer Sent
Had to include orb, one card I don’t own to make any of your decks...
Chaos Orb is almost always an auto-include if you have it. Two colorless to play the ultimate permanent removal that can activate at Instant speed.
Instead of Stone Rain why not change them out and put Pillage?
Because this is for Old School format. Alliances is not an allowed set.
Only cards originally printed in sets made in 1993 and 1994 are allowed.
I used to play back in 93-95 before i joined the Army. I started playing again and looking at all of vintage and legacy, and modern... I must say that MTG is broken, and i miss 93-94 era, yet the problem is, who can i play with? Is there a FB group, or web cam play group? PM me please, i would love to play magic before it was broken (96+) and would happily buy a web cam, etc... Thanks, and i hope you're fairing well.
there are a facebook group called old school magic 4 life facebook.com/groups/oldschoolmagic4life/