Old School 93/94 Deck Tech (Budget Green)
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- čas přidán 23. 12. 2017
- Here is the latest in my series of Budget Old School decks for the 1993 to 1994 format. This deck went a little higher on cost so it could include 4 copies of Berserk, but with reprints those are much lower in price these days and can be had for the same price of many Standard/Modern staples so I think the "Budget" term still applies.
This deck is INDEED very good. I crushed quite a few other Old School decks with it because that creature beatdown is just so hard to stop. Berserk is a house that you can certainly build a deck upon, even without any power 9 or cards greater than $100 each.
As always, this is just a starting point. Feel free to take this list and change it, use it as you see fit. My point in making this video is PROVING that Old School is a balanced format that does NOT require you to empty your bank account to play and be competitive.
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Here is the full deck list:
Budget Green
=== Spells ===
4 Citanul Druid
3 Whirling Dervish
2 Scavenger Folk
4 Erhnam Djinn
3 Cockatrice
1 Force of Nature
4 Berserk
4 Giant Growth
2 Lure
2 Ice Storm
2 Sylvan Library
1 Desert Twister
1 Regrowth
4 Llanowar Elves
2 Birds of Paradise
=== Mana ===
11 Forest
3 Mishra's Factory
1 Sol Ring
4 Strip Mine
2 Pendlehaven
=== Sideboard ===
2 Scavenger Folk
1 Whirling Dervish
3 Storm Seeker
2 Life Force
2 Crumble
3 Tranquility
2 Winter Blast - Hry
You deserve way more subs. I love this old school stuff.
Thanks, tell your friends LOL!
I did.
This video was really funny. And it was really informative. I kinda wanna build on this deck now for handing to other people to play. Good job, Edwin.
Right on! Thanks for the comment River, I'm glad the humor worked.
If you do build on this deck please write back or post again etc. Let me know what you change and how it goes!
Yes one of the first green decks I made ... Very close! That's where my love of whirling dervish started! Thanks for sharing this.. brings back fond memories.
Very cool! When did you build that deck, way back in the 1990's? Yeah the Dervish is really a good creature. The proof is how often he sucks down a lightning bolt lol
Good point on the tapping for mana when you block for the elves/birds. Another outside the box option is to Berserk your opponent's creatures to kill them at the end of turn!
Absolutely yes, I do that as well. Also, you can Berserk your own creatures on defense and they won't get destroyed at the end of the turn because they didn't attack.
Thank you for another great video. It's very rare to see a Mono-Green Old School deck.
You are welcome! Yeah it's rare. I think the reason is not that it's not viable... It's that people either ASSUME it's not viable or they are so excited to play nostalgic decks they used to love so they run to The Deck, White Weenie, Mono Black, the Zoo, Erhnam-Ageddon, etc.
But yes, Mono green and even BUDGET Mono Green is indeed very strong! 4 Berserks being allowed is just insane. It's a house you can build a deck upon.
I really really wanted people out there to CLEARLY UNDERSTAND that you don't need Power 9, a full grip of Reserve list cards, or even Dual Lands to be competitive in Old School. People just assume they cannot compete if they don't have those... so hopefully my video series goes a long way to make it clear.
HAH! I started this video asking "Please! Say there's some Scavenger Folk in this deck!" Yus dude thanks again!
Untamed Wilds is a great shuffle card
Good point.
I'm in Europe & we only use Swedish format here, what would you suggest I could change to do a European legal deck? Trying icy's instead of the additional LD at the moment for disruption.
Not sure what you mean by LD... but I assume you mean going down to 1x Strip MIne because of European (Swedish) rules... right?
That being the case, I would try out some Winter Orbs! With the Llanowar Elves and Birds of Paradise this deck gets around not having many land drops pretty well. Winter Orb would likely slow down the opponent more than you.
sorry I meant land destruction with the loss of the strip mines ... under Swedish rules.
Testing different things against other old school decks I have put together to find which is likely to work better in the local environment.
Hadn't tested orbs yet, currently working with icy's to slow the opponent & gauntlets of power against white weenie & the menace of their swords to threaten to switch the targeted artefact or creature for one of theirs & make them consider removing one of my creatures or using disenchant.
Doing lots of testing of mono coloured decks, with one multi coloured deck using duolands so far ... will do a vid on the testing sometime soon,
Back inn 94, green was muy color out of the gate. I added white down the line, and that was fun, but not entirely better.
Hehe, looks like you have to remove one of the Whirling Dervishes from your deck since the Chaos Orb managed to touch it
hahahahaha I liked the little sketch of thring bucks on the table :')
I'm really into this deck. The strategies you have for it are very carefully scrutinized.
Thanks for the comments. I really do put a lot of thought and play testing into each of these decks. They are at least a good start and ready to be customized to make it your own :)
Edwin the Magic Engineer what I like the most is that your helping people like me who don't make much enter into old school MTG and have fun! I'm considering getting my play group into this style.
Got a question. Does a blocking creature with trample do damage to the other player?
Trample is an attacking-only ability.
No way it's budget with Berserk :)
I did discuss that in the video, yeah it's borderline... but you CAN pick those up for $50 each right now. So it's not too bad.
www.ebay.com/itm/Magic-The-Gathering-MTG-Berserk-Unlimited/263339553117?hash=item3d5042b15d:g:htwAAOSwjM5aFgyB
Would a mythic reprint $12 Berserk suffice as well? ... Or just a single proxy in the deck.
one expensive card isnt toooooo bad ;)
Fuck the reserve list.
youll be amused to know that I am building something like this, but with my own tweaks as well. But I am flipping the budget on its head and making this my first swedish deck. I ordered unlimited force of nature and cockatrice today. :P. Planning on arabian nights erhnams. I have caught the oldschool bug hard and I'm utterly corrupted. Thanks for assisting in that corruption edwin. Ps, I think this list is very well thought out and I've taken a lot of ideas from it. I think Lure is underrated as it can win you the game by itself on a winning swingy turn.
With which OLDSCHOOL ruels are you deckbuilding ? Fallen Empire as a legal set ?
Seems like a cool idea
I already have one Berserk and getting a few more shouldn’t be impossible
LOL. Edwin the Baller Engineer
LOL
Haha. Daniel, I enjoy your videos too, did you ever get a decklist from Brian Weissman when he played at cardkingdom?
R A I would REALLY like that decklist too
splashing red for fork, fireball, and lighting bolt makes for a fun time, too. i only had 2 berserks back in the day :( so i had to improvise
That kind of change will be part of the mid-level expense Old School deck series :)
Due to the value of Taiga.
berserk was restricted back in the day, so having two was not a problem
Had you considered elves of deep shadow as a two of instead of birds? They allow you to attack, even if they don't make green.
They are also handy if you want to splash black for demonic, mind twist, sideboard gloom and maindeck terror.
4x city of brass from chronicles is still reasonably cheap
Those would be a good play with black splash agreed. If/When I do a green black old school deck it will likely be considered mid-level expense due to the Bayous. I don't need the anycolor mana generation of birds yes... but the flying part can be big. I have won games because birds gets huge with Giant Growth + Berserk :)
I built this deck before and had been successful before shifting to sligh, goblins then stasis and necro
I made this deck and really love it though I keep dying to powered mono black. Not sure how to better handle aggressive hymns, specters, and strips.
Whirling Dirvish is sure helpful in that regard.
Edwin the Magic Engineer They are indeed! But they were hanging out at the bottom of my deck all day today... :)
Which of your budget decks played the best?
The green was often the strongest in my testing. Those Berserks just cause so much damage so quickly! This is the deck which taught me the value of both Scavenger Folk and (sometimes) the Citanul Druids.
Black is the easiest deck to piece together and do well with though.
@@EdwintheMagicEngineer Thank you! I agree black is the easiest to put together. I already had almost all the cards for black.
Is there any budget alternative to berserk?
Yeah doing Giant Growths on creatures with First Strike works pretty well.
You should try using Spitting Slug i think its one of the strongest green Creature and it's about 50Cent. easy to get out turn 2 with any elves or bird. I really like your 93/94 budget series, by the way!
Hi Etienne,
I did test with the slugs and I did like them. They almost made the list :)
By the way, is this the same Etienne I played Skype games with from Canada?
Yes, lets play again some time
Natural selection works great with sylvan library. Not really budget anymore though
I'm a little confused with how a mishras work. Do you have to tap another land to make them a creature?
One mana from anywhere else can be used to make that Mishra's Factory into a 2/2 Artifact Creature in addition to being a land with 3 abilities.
One of those 3 abilities is to pump an existing Assembly worker +1/+1. That can be done on itself (which taps it) or use a 2nd Mishra's Factory to pump the first one.
One trick that people use while blocking is using 2 lands, one a Mishra's Factory, one is any other land. The 2nd land is used to generate mana and make an Assembly Worker. Then you declare your 2/2 Assmbly Worker as a blocker. After the attacker has declared any effects and passes priority to you... you tap your 2/2 Assembly Worker to pump itself into a 3/3. So with just 2 lands you can effectively get a 3/3 blocking creature.
That is why Mishra's Factories are going up so much in value.
Edwin the Magic Engineer Ok thanks! So if it attacks after you tap a land to make it an assembly worker it is a 2/2. It can only become the 3/3 creature if it defends. Thanks again for clearing that up for me!
Edwin the Magic Engineer So a mox on turn one would let you attack with a factory on turn 1?!
Joe B3 great question but no. The factory's assembly worker will still have summoning sickness on turn 1.
But you can block with it on turn 1.
Edwin the Magic Engineer Ok I got you, you bring to mind one more question. If you have a Mishras factory out and you tap it when you block can you also at this time tap another mishras and make it a 4/4 blocker?!
I was under the impression that the Old School format stipulated that the cards used needed to be from a 93/94 printing. Therefore, no 4th or Chronicles editions (and do on) are permitted.
My wallet is happy to see that is not the case.
Must be original art, Chronicles and 4th Edition are just fine :)
www.channelfireball.com/old-school-9394-magic-rules/
Reprinted Cards
Some reprinted versions of cards from these sets are also allowed. In order for a reprint to be allowed, the following must be true:
It must be a non-foil card
It must use the original Magic card border
It must have art that matches the art of any version printed in the above legal sets
It must be a legal Magic card (no proxies, no Collector’s edition, etc.)
Cards may be printed in any language so long as they obey the above rules. Final rulings on the legality of any cards in dispute will be made by the Head Judge of the event and ChannelFireball event staff.
Exception: The Revised Edition printings of Serendib Efreet and Plateau are legal in Old School.
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and Eternal Central
www.eternalcentral.com/9394rules/
Additional Sets and Cards Allowed (ie. REPRINTS)
Tournaments hosted by Eternal Central also allow all non-foil cards from the sets above, that were reprinted IN ANY LANGUAGE with the original frame and original art. So for example, a Chronicles City of Brass, Fifth Edition Wrath of God, Time Spiral Psionic Blast, and Collector’s Edition Mox Ruby would all be legal (original frame + original art), while an Ice Age Swords to Plowshares or Arena 1996 Counterspell would not be legal (different art). The misprinted Revised Serendib Efreet (with Ifh-Biff Efreet’s art, and green border) is of course allowed, because it was printed in one of the original sets in 1994 (Revised). We always encourage you to seek out the oldest and coolest versions of cards you can find, but these can serve as your de facto substitutes for the cards printed in 93-94. Absolutely no proxies and fake cards allowed. Finally, the following promotional cards from 1994 are also legal: Arena, Sewers of Estark, and Nalathni Dragon.
MTG Phil Yeah not only is it straight up legal to play those versions based on the two most widely accepted rules sets (As I posted above) but I've found the same thing you have... people in the community just want to play and are very accepting.
Personally I think the Swedish rules are very elitist and I'm not a fan of those at all. I love original cards as much as the next guy... but I don't wish to exclude people from playing and I want everybody to bring their A-game.
From what I understand you are mostly right, unless the card art is the same as the original ... so a later reprint with the original card art will be ok in the format, but different art even on the same card will not.
Hey Edwin, any updates for this interesting build?
Hi Maverick,
What specifically are you looking for?
- Updates that keep this deck budget yet improve it?
- Updates that show easy customizing for different expected metagame fields?
- Updates that move this deck into a more mid tier budget area?
- Updates that go pedal to the metal and show what this deck becomes with unlimited budget?
@@EdwintheMagicEngineer Thanks for your answer Edwin. Green was my color all-time and your 5 budget old school deck techs are amazing and zoom my eyes to the green one. The basement is good and was from the first moment very interesting for me. Iam looking for a overall improving in the budget section, maybe recommend for a midpricing. My wallet is for buying a Emerald mox, to dusty.
I wish I lived in a world where 100 dollar bills, lotuses, and chaos orbs rained down on me when I'm sitting here with a 100 dollar budget trying to make a deck lmao
yeah that would be crazy.
But hey... seems that prices might start pulling back a bit now.
Honey, can we sell the house? Edwin said we need berserk's lol. I think I'm going to grab myself 2 this week and probably 2 more next week. I've got my version of green coming in the mail. I threw In gaea's touch where I can play 2 lands a turn. Some wild growths so each forest taps for 2 forests once on. Also went timber wolves to band, some elvish archers for first strike, some scavenger folk, 2 barbary apes so I have some 2 drop 2/2s, 3 avoid fates so I have some counter magic, 2 birds, 4 llanowar, I think I'll drop in 2 citanuls, I was gonna throw in a living lands where all forests can also be 1/1 creatures if I get to where I have a lot of creatures out and nothing to spend mana on I can flood them with attackers. Side board similar except adding tsunami or hurricane whatever the green ones called lol
Would be great if you could get a quick close-up of each card so I can actually know what cards you're playing :P I don't know all of these cards off the top of my head. You could also refer to them by their full name at least once, instead of saying "the druids"
Nevermind, of course the full decklist is in the description, sorry!
Did I just see some throw a black lotus?
Damn skippy, get that flower outta here!
Spoiler: to the right of the table is a furnace.
This is at least a 600 dollar deck in 2019 prices. Trying to get the cheaper versions of the factories and strip mines even. 600 dollar deck is what Iam looking to pay if I want this deck. I just might go for it though...
There are a lot of cheaper printings that are Old School legal. Chronicles, Revised, Time Spiral (timeshifted pendelhaven).
Also remember that money put into Old School stays stable and you could always swap this deck for another Old School of equal value.
Hello Edwin!
I have been getting into MTG again after only briefly playing in the year 2000 but I was too young to really understand/appreciate the game. Now that Iam 30 - I have the nostalgia itch and really like old school. I really like the budget green deck you made a video on. Would you eventually make a video where you play it vs another deck you built? I would love to watch you play the budget green deck. Please if you have time. Keep up the great work.
@@EdwintheMagicEngineer Thank you for the info. So 4th edition is not allowed? I googled and it was saying that only 7 sets are allowed in old school. But if you say I can use revised and stuff like chronicles- great. I have a deck on Card kingdom itemized and I still needs 2 more berserk's. Just about 400 dollars before the last 2 Berserk's - which they are out of. And I might have to splurge on the Legends Sylvans if I cant use my 4th edition ones. Amazing channel. Keep being you!
Revised, 4th Edition, Chronicles, and some others are INDEED allowed. The rules simply state the card must have the original artwork and card frame. And special exceptions are made for CI/IE cards, Gold Bordered, and mass-misprints like Revised Serendib Efreet.
Here is a link to the Eternal Central rules.
www.eternalcentral.com/9394rules/
If you tap the llanowar elf to giant growth him, he will not deal combat damage while blocking...weak move.
Tapped blocking creatures still deal damage now if they tap after being declared as blockers.
Thats the rule change which made such an impact on Mishras Factory
budget : 4 berserks. yeah budget my ass
Look at the date of the video, back then it was budget.
U say budget they always expensive budget is like 70 pound
they were budget when I made this lol
Remember that many of these cards have versions that are a lot cheaper and legal for Old School. 4th Edition, Chronicles, etc.
no money it's a budget deck.
Please keep in mind 2 things... when this video was made these were all in fact pretty affordable cards.
Next is that you CAN buy most of these cards in very cheap versions like 4th Edition, Chronicles, etc. Even Collectors Edition for the more expensive cards like Berserk. They are all legal under the rule set for which this deck is meant... 9394 Old School format (Eternal Central variant)
So even today.. you could probably pick up this deck in a cheap version for at most $150 if you do it right... and that's for cards in a format that never rotates.
How is a $1.500 deck budget 😂😂😂