Death Guard vs Dark Angels Warhammer 40k Battle Report Ep 85
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Luka brings a Plague Marine heavy Ferryman list in today's 2,000 point game against Steve and his Outrider of Raven Wing Dark Angels.
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ARMY LISTS:
DARK ANGEL ARMY LIST:
++ Outrider Detachment -3CP (Imperium - Adeptus Astartes - Dark Angels) [96 PL, 2,000pts, 9CP] ++
+ Configuration [9CP] +
**Chapter Selection**: Dark Angels
Battle Size [12CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points) [12CP]
Detachment Command Cost [-3CP]
+ No Force Org Slot [11 PL, 200pts] +
Ravenwing Apothecary [6 PL, 115pts]: Bolt pistol, Chapter Command: Chief Apothecary [1 PL, 15pts], Frag & Krak grenades, Selfless Healer, Warlord
. Black Knight Bike: Plasma Talon
Ravenwing Champion [5 PL, 85pts]: Blade of Triumph, Bolt pistol, Chapter Command: Chapter Champion [1 PL, 15pts], Frag & Krak grenades, Master-crafted power sword
. Black Knight Bike: Plasma Talon
+ HQ [16 PL, 310pts] +
Lieutenant(s) [8 PL, 160pts]
. Ravenwing Talonmaster [8 PL, 160pts]: Power sword, Twin assault cannon, Twin heavy bolter
Sammael [8 PL, 150pts]: Bolt pistol, Frag & Krak grenades, Master-crafted plasma cannon, Raven Sword, Twin storm bolter
+ Elites [18 PL, 355pts] +
Ravenwing Black Knights [18 PL, 355pts]
. Ravenwing Black Knight [45pts]: Bolt pistol, Corvus Hammer [5pts], Frag & Krak grenades, Plasma Talon
. Ravenwing Black Knight [45pts]: Bolt pistol, Corvus Hammer [5pts], Frag & Krak grenades, Plasma Talon
. Ravenwing Black Knight [45pts]: Bolt pistol, Corvus Hammer [5pts], Frag & Krak grenades, Plasma Talon
. Ravenwing Black Knight [45pts]: Bolt pistol, Corvus Hammer [5pts], Frag & Krak grenades, Plasma Talon
. Ravenwing Black Knight [45pts]: Bolt pistol, Corvus Hammer [5pts], Frag & Krak grenades, Plasma Talon
. Ravenwing Black Knight [45pts]: Bolt pistol, Corvus Hammer [5pts], Frag & Krak grenades, Plasma Talon
. Ravenwing Black Knight (Grenade Launcher) [45pts]: Black Knight Bike, Bolt pistol, Corvus Hammer [5pts], Frag & Krak grenades
. Ravenwing Huntmaster [40pts]: Bolt pistol, Frag & Krak grenades, Plasma Talon
+ Fast Attack [51 PL, 1,135pts] +
Bike Squad [11 PL, 265pts]
. Attack Bike [55pts]: 2x Bolt pistol, 2x Frag & Krak grenades, Multi-melta [25pts], Twin boltgun
. Biker Sergeant [40pts]: Combi-plasma [10pts], Frag & Krak grenades, Twin boltgun
. 3x Space Marine Biker w/Bolt Pistol [90pts]: 3x Bolt pistol, 3x Frag & Krak grenades, 3x Twin boltgun
. Space Marine Biker w/Special Weapon [40pts]: Frag & Krak grenades, Plasma gun [10pts], Twin boltgun
. Space Marine Biker w/Special Weapon [40pts]: Frag & Krak grenades, Plasma gun [10pts], Twin boltgun
Bike Squad [11 PL, 265pts]
. Attack Bike [55pts]: 2x Bolt pistol, 2x Frag & Krak grenades, Multi-melta [25pts], Twin boltgun
. Biker Sergeant [40pts]: Combi-plasma [10pts], Frag & Krak grenades, Twin boltgun
. 3x Space Marine Biker w/Bolt Pistol [90pts]: 3x Bolt pistol, 3x Frag & Krak grenades, 3x Twin boltgun
. Space Marine Biker w/Special Weapon [40pts]: Frag & Krak grenades, Plasma gun [10pts], Twin boltgun
. Space Marine Biker w/Special Weapon [40pts]: Frag & Krak grenades, Plasma gun [10pts], Twin boltgun
Bike Squad [11 PL, 265pts]
. Attack Bike [55pts]: 2x Bolt pistol, 2x Frag & Krak grenades, Multi-melta [25pts], Twin boltgun
. Biker Sergeant [40pts]: Combi-plasma [10pts], Frag & Krak grenades, Twin boltgun
. 3x Space Marine Biker w/Bolt Pistol [90pts]: 3x Bolt pistol, 3x Frag & Krak grenades, 3x Twin boltgun
. Space Marine Biker w/Special Weapon [40pts]: Frag & Krak grenades, Plasma gun [10pts], Twin boltgun
. Space Marine Biker w/Special Weapon [40pts]: Frag & Krak grenades, Plasma gun [10pts], Twin boltgun
Land Speeder Typhoons [6 PL, 110pts]
. Land Speeder Typhoon [6 PL, 110pts]: Heavy bolter, Typhoon missile launcher
Land Speeder Typhoons [6 PL, 110pts]
. Land Speeder Typhoon [6 PL, 110pts]: Heavy bolter, Typhoon missile launcher
Ravenwing Land Speeder Vengeance [6 PL, 120pts]: Heavy bolter, Plasma storm battery
++ Total: [96 PL, 9CP, 2,000pts] ++
DEATH GUARD ARMY LIST:
++ Battalion Detachment 0CP (Chaos - Death Guard) [103 PL, 9CP, 1,999pts] ++
+ Configuration [12CP] +
Battle Size [12CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points) [12CP]
Detachment Command Cost
Plague Company: The Ferrymen
+ Stratagems [-2CP] +
Gifts of Decay [-2CP]: 2x Additional Relics [-2CP]
+ HQ [12 PL, 225pts] +
Lord of Virulence [7 PL, 130pts]: 4. Arch-Contaminator, Blight grenades, Krak grenades, Plague claw, Plague Skull of Glothila, Twin plague spewer, Viscous Death [1 PL, 10pts], Warlord
Malignant Plaguecaster [5 PL, 95pts]: 1. Miasma of Pestilence, 5. Curse of the Leper, Blight grenades, Bolt pistol, Corrupted staff, Krak grenades, Smite
+ Troops [48 PL, 1,019pts] +
Plague Marines [6 PL, 115pts]
. Plague Champion [21pts]: Blight grenades, Boltgun, Krak grenades, Plague knife
. Plague Marine w/ blight launcher [31pts]: Blight grenades, Blight launcher [10pts], Krak grenades, Plague knife
. 3x Plague Marine w/ boltgun [63pts]: 3x Blight grenades, 3x Boltgun, 3x Krak grenades, 3x Plague knife
Plague Marines [6 PL, 115pts]
. Plague Champion [21pts]: Blight grenades, Boltgun, Krak grenades, Plague knife
. Plague Marine w/ blight launcher [31pts]: Blight grenades, Blight launcher [10pts], Krak grenades, Plague knife
. 3x Plague Marine w/ boltgun [63pts]: 3x Blight grenades, 3x Boltgun, 3x Krak grenades, 3x Plague knife
Plague Marines [12 PL, 282pts]
. Plague Champion [31pts]: Blight grenades, Boltgun, Daemonic plague blade, Krak grenades, Power fist [10pts]
. Plague Marine w/ 2nd plague knife [21pts]: 2nd Plague knife, Blight grenades, Krak grenades, Plague knife
. 2x Plague Marine w/ bubotic axe [48pts]: 2x Blight grenades, 2x Bubotic Axe [6pts], 2x Krak grenades, 2x Plague knife
. 2x Plague Marine w/ cleaver [62pts]: 2x Blight grenades, 2x Great plague cleaver [20pts], 2x Krak grenades, 2x Plague knife
. 2x Plague Marine w/ flail [62pts]: 2x Blight grenades, 2x Flail of corruption [20pts], 2x Krak grenades, 2x Plague knife
. 2x Plague Marine w/ mace and axe [58pts]: 2x Blight grenades, 2x Bubotic Axe [6pts], 2x Krak grenades, 2x Mace of Contagion [10pts], 2x Plague knife
Plague Marines [12 PL, 277pts]
. Plague Champion [36pts]: Blight grenades, Daemonic plague blade, Krak grenades, Plasma pistol [5pts], Power fist [10pts]
. 2x Plague Marine w/ 2nd plague knife [42pts]: 2x 2nd Plague knife, 2x Blight grenades, 2x Krak grenades, 2x Plague knife
. 2x Plague Marine w/ bubotic axe [48pts]: 2x Blight grenades, 2x Bubotic Axe [6pts], 2x Krak grenades, 2x Plague knife
. 2x Plague Marine w/ cleaver [62pts]: 2x Blight grenades, 2x Great plague cleaver [20pts], 2x Krak grenades, 2x Plague knife
. Plague Marine w/ flail [31pts]: Blight grenades, Flail of corruption [10pts], Krak grenades, Plague knife
. 2x Plague Marine w/ mace and axe [58pts]: 2x Blight grenades, 2x Bubotic Axe [6pts], 2x Krak grenades, 2x Mace of Contagion [10pts], 2x Plague knife
Plague Marines [6 PL, 115pts]
. Plague Champion [21pts]: Blight grenades, Boltgun, Krak grenades, Plague knife
. Plague Marine w/ blight launcher [31pts]: Blight grenades, Blight launcher [10pts], Krak grenades, Plague knife
. 3x Plague Marine w/ boltgun [63pts]: 3x Blight grenades, 3x Boltgun, 3x Krak grenades, 3x Plague knife
Plague Marines [6 PL, 115pts]
. Plague Champion [21pts]: Blight grenades, Boltgun, Krak grenades, Plague knife
. Plague Marine w/ blight launcher [31pts]: Blight grenades, Blight launcher [10pts], Krak grenades, Plague knife
. 3x Plague Marine w/ boltgun [63pts]: 3x Blight grenades, 3x Boltgun, 3x Krak grenades, 3x Plague knife
+ Elites [35 PL, -1CP, 595pts] +
Blightlord Terminators [20 PL, 295pts]
. Blightlord Champion [45pts]: Balesword, Combi-flamer [5pts]
. Blightlord Terminator [45pts]: Flail of corruption [5pts]
. Blightlord Terminator [45pts]: Balesword, Plague spewer [5pts]
. Blightlord Terminator [40pts]: Balesword, Combi-bolter
. Blightlord Terminator [40pts]: Balesword, Combi-bolter
. Blightlord Terminator [40pts]: Balesword, Combi-bolter
. Blightlord Terminator [40pts]: Balesword, Combi-bolter
Deathshroud Terminators [7 PL, 150pts]
. Deathshroud Champion [50pts]: Manreaper, Plaguespurt gauntlet
. 2x Deathshroud Terminator [100pts]: 2x Manreaper, 2x Plaguespurt gauntlet
Foul Blightspawn [4 PL, -1CP, 75pts]: Blight grenades, Krak grenades, Plague sprayer, Plaguechosen [-1CP], Revolting Stench-vats, The Droning, Unholy death's head grenade
Plague Surgeon [4 PL, 75pts]: Balesword, Blight grenades, Bolt pistol, Fugaris' Helm, Krak grenades
+ Dedicated Transport [8 PL, 160pts] +
Chaos Rhino [4 PL, 80pts]: Combi-bolter
Chaos Rhino [4 PL, 80pts]: Combi-bolter
++ Total: [103 PL, 9CP, 1,999pts] ++
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You need to take more shooty in your deathguard. Either PBCx2, FBD or even at leviathan. My DG army PL is at 121, PTS 1995
Since the recent Death Guard FAQ, you actually don't HAVE to run a sorcerer anymore, since the Demon Prince lost the "Lord of the Death Guard" keyword...so DP + Chaos Lord or Lord of Virulence eg. would be fine to use... ;-)
Have you guys considered having a running turn/victory/command point tracker on the screen?
PLEASEEEEEEE
yes please that would make it so much easier to follow
Think theyve talked about it but its just extra production stuff they dont have time for? Or beleuve that was answer
They used to.
@@weraswero go watch some artofwar40k bat reps, they do terrain how you should set it up and how it's done in tournaments, you give armies a chance to hide almost completely turn 1 so that they don't get shot off the board turn 1.
This might be the only studio in the world with a door labeled “Realm of Chaos”-gotta love it
This match up wasn't fair dude, everyone knew the result just by looking to the army lists
Yeah, this table with these two lists is an auto lose for the DG.
Yeah especially when DG roles bad and the decissions are always in faver of Wings.
Can't say I get this dg list at all. Were you aiming for fluffy/noncompetitive or?
"Hello, my name is Steve, and today I'll show you How to lose your friends!"
"Vibrating in place" has always been a dubious interpretation of moving "at least X". They shouldn't have even needed to have to put it on aircraft but so many "well technically" people forced them to.
Luka, seriously; always take Mortarion against Steve. I like hearing him cry.
I feel like my fishtank spilled all over their gaming table
I'm not mad
I think a relook at how you guys structure a table could be done. With Death Guard losing so much Turn 1 it didn't really make me want to watch anymore.
But this was a missplacememt from the DG Player, sorry but why do I have to put the Rhino's in the open 🙄
I feel 40k needs some kind of rank system for determining who is the warlord. I am a DA player and it seems inappropriate for an apothecary to be the warlord over Sammael. I am happy giving them warlord traits but not the warlord. Fluff wise it doesn't seem it would happen. Same for other armies.
Some army does but why put more restrictions than necessary. Guilliman must be the warlord. But if the captain must be a warlord then every time you upgrade the apoc or champion etc... you HAVE to pay an extra cp for the trait.
I think it depends on if you *want* to justify it to yourself. I always thought higher ranking models have better things to do than personally command 30 marines. They just happen to be there - two squads converged to secure the next area and an officer who is most familiar with the situation/area/enemy takes local command. And Sam is constantly on comms, commanding all RW present on the planet
Might be trying to train him for experience or shifting the blame to him when the mission goes badly.
Technically, a ranking system wouldn't change much since the chapter's Chief Apothecary would be roughly the same rank as your Company Captain.
@@Blaze_Raven Wouldn't be anywhere near Sammael though.
I hate the disembark rolls going bad deciding so much. Really pushed me away from transports. 1 roll and lose over 100 points.
So not many but a few things for the DG list. 1: deadly pathogens aren't that fantastic. I always bring Vicious death because I am always bringing a foul blight spawn that it is amazing on him. S8 ap-3 d2 with rerolling auto hits is amazing. The only other one I really consider is explosive outbreak on death shroud champ or Lord of Contagion. Exploding 6s on that syth profile absolutly wrecks. Brining the warp insect hive in addition just garentees destruction of anything they touch.
2: why did you not put arch contaminator or another wl trait on the plague surgeon? Considering the fact his auras are bumped by another 3" + an extra 6" for 1 cp, I personally would have given him Living Plague to turn off all the auras that all of thw DA characters give.
that's one colourful table lol
reminds me of the smurfs...lol
Kinda contrasts the dark, and gritty dark angels and death guard lol
Putting 1/3 of your points in deep strike, and another 1/3 in your rhinos (death traps), leaving only 1/3 of your army to face a mobile shooty force on a map with little obscuring terrain, doesn't make for a great stream game. If you had some obscuring terrain so DG could have hidden at least a few units this would have still been an uphill battle but at least fun to watch. Not ya'll's best show.
Why should you need to give specific terrain advantage to an army? They probably set it up before the armies were even shown. Also there WAS los blocking terrain.
I don’t use vehicles a lot when I play, why do you say rhinos are death traps?
@@MrHalonoob117 If you can't deploy your troops wholy within 3" when disembarking, they're dead.
@@MrHalonoob117 watch the video, one unlucky roll when it blows up can cripple an expensive unit
@@MrHalonoob117 easy to kill' and as you saw here when they die you have a 1 in 6 chance to lose each model inside.
That board looks like the shiny edge of Papa Nurgle's garden. Seeing THOSE colors you know that something is wrong. And great Ravenwing force too.
Been watching the channel for a few months as a new player. Ended up selling a knight last night and was told about the bunker! Living in the falls and knowing this is all so close is awesome! Thanks for having such a sweet business. Excited to come play my 1st 1000 point CSM army there!
Im from the falls too, been watching videos for along time before i realised how close the studio is. Hope to see you in the Hall when it opens back up!
As a player of deathguard, Please deploy defensively. You're gonna have a bad time if you don't.
Haven't watched, but an hour long video im guessing dark angels win middle turn two
Maybe they were like "fuck it lets just do a quick game today"
So...that looked like an end of 8th edition game, space marines turn 1 obliterating basically the entire army...well thay was lame
You need to think about the match ups and balance the armies I watched the line up and instantly knew the result even if death guard went first
This Game could be an interesting one, if the Rhino's would have been placed behind cover and not been standing in the open, holding a sign in the Air "shoot @ me" 🙄
I would have much preferred to see a more competitive list by the DG, and better terrain placement/deployment. Two strong competitive lists is way more fun to watch than jank
@@Hartefact terrain was fine. Just because he didn't use it doesn't mean the terrain placement was bad.
Is the champion on the right gar gurgul gore or what that was in the chaos path to glory??
Fastest Black Knights! Very interesting!!
Was this match a revenge match? I know the mountain complained for several minutes when he faced Mortarian. Seems very spiteful.
I completely agree. Threw in the towel, whined about Morty and demanded he get a points increase. Standard marine player.
So some prediction before I watch, comparing the both list, the ravenwing look so imposing compared to the deathguard, everything is T5, super fast and super shooty. While the DG list looks very underwhelming.
I just can't imagine the death guard winning this match in any way outside of fighting for objectives
And then you see the fact the video is an hour long and realize they probably don't.
If DG wanted to win agaisnt this list, they needed to bring Morty, more terminators and mechs
@@kubekzpiciem ya the whole malee plague marine build doesn't feel solid at all
Oh, high risk high reward with always pushing forwards is me. No matter the scenario or army...
Holy comment section. Most of you are super mad they didn't play a ultra competitive game. Listen, these 2 have been playing consistently over the last 1.5 years with everything going on in the world and just keep chugging along content. Both of these armies codex are still new and they are playing a bunch of DG vs DA and doing everything with those lists. Competitive games, narrative games, funny games, everything. Some of you act like every match has $1k on the line to win. These dudes are just having fun and theory crafting. This was not a revenge game, this was a fun game trying stuff. Some of you act like you never adjust your list playing against you friend every day with the same armies. How many times you want to play the exact same list, UNLESS you are prepping for a tourney, then I can understand play testing your list against multiple lists and tuning them up, but this map looks amazing, they made lists, and tried to win. Jeez lay off them, they are having fun, Literally the MWG motto "We play and call it work" we should all be so lucky to play this and get paid for it.
I do get behind the idea of putting up a VP/CP at the end of battle rounds would be cool but eh, I still press play.
Nice Table!!
This just did not seem all that fair! Haha. So much firepower VS dribs and drabs.
The aircraft rule does not refer to base. But to every point of the base. It's a bit different.
that was BRUTAL.
Luka, you needed to have played on the Nurgle side! Tzeentch was messing with you!
Totally agree on Ravenwing. If they go first they can hit and hit hard. Just played a game this weekend against orks and the game was over by Turn 2.
Hail the lion!
Quick rules question. The guys that have plasma guns on bikes, do they get to shoot the bikes guns and the plasma gun?
In older edition I think so.
A model can shoot with all guns it is equipped with. The only exceptions are: (a) a model can only shoot with pistols or other guns, but not both; and (b) one model per unit can throw a grenade instead of shooting its guns.
To my knowledge the bikers get the plasma guns by replacing the pistols, so they would keep the bolters and hence be able to shoot with plasma and bolters at the same time. But I haven’t seen the new datasheets from the DA supplement yet.
These days, I feel like it's a gigantic mistake not taking Bloat Drones with Fleshmowers, but all of my lists are very Daemon engine heavy.
I must admit to not being very interested or excited about these all-bike lists. They strike me as GW-designed spam that is one-dimensional and uninteresting (to watch at least). I do appreciate your willingness to field all kinds of armies in your battle reports though... it's one of the great strengths of MWG. This particular one just isn't my cup of tea. Cheers!
Again a good example that troop transports are to heavy of a target
Watched the report but soon as I saw the DG list I was all....ermmm...OK
idk what yall expect on 1 side we have a troop army on the other we have a 40k army i am DG player i like marines but in all seriousness you are not playing patrol you either take the models that 2k points allow you to or you lose. I understand that even 2 marines can take on a whole squad of whatever but your army is not supposed to be just troops and nothing else
they are trolling with these list at this point
dude that's just whitescars in disguise.
Seeing Alpha Strike after Alpha Strike, have you considered using more terrain allowing for less impactful turn 1 shooting? The fact that the whole army is able to shoot without even having to advance and incuring the -1 to hit penalty makes these shooting armies so much more dominating than what they would be with proper terrain.
Furthermore, MWG guys need to hide their units. Most of the time they deploy them in open.
@@SiDi-Wuja this. The terrain is rarely an issue. It's how the terrain is used thats an issue.
Wow are you guys battling in the garden of eden haha
By the emperor that disembark was gross 🤢
Love the Dark Angels army looks awesome!
I've been looking for a good Death Guard report!
Well seeing how GW set this matchup to be an autoloss. I dont think this is it.
@@bradtaasevigen9777 it's not gw lol
Deadly pathogens also give plus 1 str lol
Im making a similar ravenwing list but cant find enough ravenwing bike squad kits, everyones sold out 😓
You're gonna be fun to play against
@@Collinpawns A competitive army--assuming the other player fields the same--can be fun if the opposing player has a good, friendly attitude.
An surly attitude, on the other hand, isn't fun to play against no matter what you bring.
Not a real shocker that as soon as something becomes good, everyone bandwagons it and buys those models out. Buy 'em early (ie: Buy 'em 'cause you want them while they're not good) or have fun chasing the meta and dealing with this.
Ewww flavor of the month player. Don't touch my lovely dark Angels! If you didn't love them when they had it rough don't jump on the bandwagon now.
Where did the bad biker gaint touch yall? This is my second army, after playing grey knights for a few years I wanted something different and like the look of dark angels. Is that ok with you guys, or do I need to return all my kits and seek the Emperor's forgiveness?
doesnt samuiel have to be the warlord?
Where's Mortarion when you need him?
My buddy's Ravenwing destroyed my Marines turn 1 too, and that was before their update. Safe to say, I'm not very fond of DA in the current meta atm lol.
Yeah GW went nuts I think..
@@peters6345 it's about time. Dark Angel's were always bad or middle of the pack. I'm glad they get some time to shine. They are the best legion after all.
Also the DG list was sub optimal and used rather poorly.
@@animewarrior3 It's the "best legion" so it deserves free passive rules, that no other chapter has.. I figured it was a game and stuff should be balanced at least within the same faction.
But yea enjoy im sure your opponent will
@@peters6345 what "free" passive rules?
@@animewarrior3 what I mean is constant transhuman on the deathwing /inner circle. As well as invun save on Ravenwing.
So for example a DA landspeeder or Outriders are flat better than any other chapter. Not due to chapter tactics, just a special rule for no additional point cost.
Similarly I think a DA Captain is flat better than any other captain due to constant transhuman.
No other chapter just gets passive rules like this, RG jumpack units are same as other chapters for example. Whitescar bikers are same profile as other bikers
Plague surgeon needs to be replaced, 6+ is a trap though I will admit that I fall for the same trap with the keeper of secerts.
Of all the Virions, the Surgeon is the most underwhelming imo. That 6+ isn't good enough, he can't revive anything and healing a wounded dude a turn? Nah. I'd rather run a Biologus, Blightspawn, Tallyman etc.
Heck, Tallyman is amazing value and is 100% going to do more than a surgeon for similar cost.
Based on the table and lists, Steve will 100% win by the end of turn 2. That Ravenwing list looks massively imposing and the DG look piddly by comparison.
That’s a short game.
Who picks rhinos anymore? Just go for 2 x 7 x BLTs, Tallyman, LoC, Malignant plaguecaster, 2 x FBDrones, 2 x PBC, FBS and 20poxwalkers. Ive won every game with DG with such list.. and always pick Mortarions anvil for gloaming bloat and warp insect hive and your LoC will kill everything it gets hands on..
This is known! I've played a list similar to what you've suggested and did very well with it, but I rarely play the same thing again. I gotta change up the builds to keep things interesting, people won't want to see the same list over and over again.
Steve, what you call displace is what I call move. It is a game term, not the literal meaning of the word move. And spending 4 command points to save a speeder? Massive waste of command points
Only an hour long? Uh oh...
And another Dark Angel victory. I am not sure I have seen them lose since their new Supplement. It is telling I think. Might skip their battles for a while until something changes. I do understand that Luka made some choices that weren't ideal, but Dark Angels received a number of buffs to make more than 1 strong build while some other armies are stuck trying to play one way.
Didn't MWG post a game where DG swept the floor with them a couple weeks back? He was up against Mortarian and didn't have a lot of shooting, but if we're going to judge DA based on a strong list, we may as well for DG and co, too.
Honestly looking at the DG list it felt like there weren't a lot of threats in the list.
@@basteala525 That is possible. Hard to keep track with as many channels as I follow.
This one isn't on the books. DG put 1/3 of their force in deep strike, another 1/3 in the rhinos, and then played like you would expect an army outnumbered 3-1 to play....
@@tomhancock For this specific scenario, that is fair. This was meant more as a general statement to what I have seen.
In the vast majority of other channels I watch the DA are getting curb stomped, especially by DG. This was just... a bad game. Not a great list, bad deployment, it was just a slaughter.
Guys, you need to either put more OBSCURING area terrains in your table or HIDE your units. You don't do any of THEM. Look at the comments - everybody is saying the same thing over and over again about more Obsuring ruins and/or hiding units but you repeat the same mistakes in each BR.
There was obscuring terrain. They even mention a couple models couldn't shoot because of it. It's not Steve's fault he put his screaming metal death traps out in the open to get shot.
kind of annoyed to see all those small bike bases.
My poor overcosted ork bikers all have the new bike bases.
Please stop with the rhinos, it's dead stop beating it it's dead.b
hello
Rhino is always a waste of points, does more damage than good in 9th...
Like if you here to see how Morty would fight against Death Wing termies xD
11:00 'RuLeS aS wRiTtEn...'
Ah, no. Sorry. If you need to prefix or defend your actions with that phrase then you probably shouldn't be playing with other people.
Reading the entire mission specific secondary is incredibly tedious, especially when 90% of the time no one wants to take them. Just let the presenter tell us in the rare event it's taken.
Did Luka say something was painted by Veto? Is he still at MWG?
No. Vito moved to Vancouver for his wife’s job.
@@lieutenantgothmog4370 This is not accurate. While I am no longer at MWG, I did not move to Vancouver for anyone. Cheers hommies :)
New codexes are too powerful.. they hit so hard with a ton of synergy. I'm not sure about where this is going, with every army getting more killy games will be over super quick, even harder to recover from not getting T1
Death guards damage is down across the board but ok.
@@bradtaasevigen9777 can you clarify what you mean?
@@peters6345 they do less damage overall.
Also, games have been like this for years. It was rare that Games were not decided by a huge alpha strike either T1 or T2 with competitive lists. I'm just glad dark Angels got some deserved love.
@@peters6345 damage per point is down for most models, and all of our best combos to spike damage got either nurfed/ completely removed.
@@bradtaasevigen9777 haven't played against new DG yet bet they looked fierce especially Morty
....Surpise, Surp...Not really.... Meeeeehhhhhhhh........
So, the bikes are 9 pts than plague marines, but get +1 wound, +1 attacks at -1 AP, twice as many shots, more special weapons per unit and keep their bolters, always advance 6", have 3 times the movement, and get an inv save?
Plague marines get Disgustingly resilient and a reroll on the knives they'll never get close enough to use.
GW, wtf is this balance?
Oh no GD are op/s
20 models is a difference of 180 points. Thats a big difference. Also comparing things in a vacuum is a terrible way to compare.
@@animewarrior3 but they are better, objectively better per point.....
Your first mistake was expecting Gw to make anything remotely close to balanced
@@animewarrior3 So, let's be charitable call it 50% more expensive.
For that price, the unit is about 300% as mobile, over 200% as lethal at range, and at worst 176% as effective in melee. Against 1 damage weapons and MW they're 50% more durable but at worst take the same number of wounds to kill. Point for point, it's a not even close, and the "cost" is not needing to take troops...
If DG could take those profiles at 40 pts, they'd still probably take them over Blightlords.
i really hate alpha strike turn games
Who knew that Raving wing is extremely good?! XD
This terrain setup was garbage sorry.
Both opponents should be able to hide at a minimum 80% of a 2k army behind LoS blocking terrain
I play ravenwing and i would make sure to have better terrain setup than this otherwise it just becomes bikes rolling over your opponent
just been wtching ersies 2 the heroes of haringburg lolol
Glad to see my Angels doing so well. For the lion!
Brace yourself, the "you should've done this", "how dare you forget this", and "this is not a true battle, even though I'm to lazy to make my own", are coming!
So for someone that doesn't play 40k, tell me how can this game be fun when turn 1 you almost lose all your army. This just makes me avoid playing 40k
dont play competetively play with friends and dont look at the meta
@@v3n1t0 so miniwargaming is competitive? 🤔😂
@@TiagoCosta-xl1hg no but this darkangels list is oppresive and you probably dont want to start at 2k points or making a fun list like lukka against a standard list like the DA
@@v3n1t0 ok, thank you for feedback
@@TiagoCosta-xl1hg the death guard list is more lore(fluff) based and friendly/fun and the full bike ravenwing army is a tad powerful and has complete board control due to movement oppressing the death guard
You guys blatantly smash Columbias finest powder, how do you get so energetic?
Great balance Gw. The antimarine meta army gets melted by 3 chapters.
the salt in these comments is real, game was pretty entertaining.
Cringe BATREP, did Steve not get the memo about anti-Min/MAX lists? Rhino blew up, then hand shake. End video.
Playing a plasma-heavy Ravenwing list is really cheesy against death guard. It doesn't make a particularly interesting video when one army is optimised to delete the other.
As a Death Guard player, I completely disagree. DR 1, 2 wounds and T5 completely negates overcharged plasma. I would have no issues playing against an opponent with a plasma heavy list.
@@tenshimusouka5820 plasma is literally the best ranged weapon to take on death guard because of the damage reduction. High strength and AP damage 1 weapons are literally ideal to take on death guard. Name another kind of weapon you can spam successfully that is engineered for taking down DG. Lascannons? Melta? None of it optimal. It's all plasma
@@tenshimusouka5820 I am a death guard and dark angel player.
To be clear - I wouldn't have a problem playing this game either, that's not my point! My point is that it doesn't make interesting CZcams content because the whole Dark Angels army is optimised to defeat Death Guard, which doesn't work as a competitive list and won't be fun in a casual setting.
@@drsimonwyatt agree. Boring batrep, game over after 1/2 of turn 1.
Honestly, the DG list was garbage. I believe it wouldn't be fun to play that list even in a non competitive game
Worst DG list ever, its almost ridiculous
This map was awful for Deathguard. Need far more obscuring terrain blocking LoS and restricting movement for this to be a fair match up given the army lists. Also, I'm aware both players were betting on going first but for youtube content running armies that gamble on going first and obliterating the opponent in 2 turns isn't great.
Not wrong, but it's nice to have a little variety in game plan. And for less experienced players it's not a bad thing to see how such games might play out.
@@basteala525 true, it happens every once in a while.
It's the nature of the Ravenwing, they are designed to be able to crush and out maneuver their opponents if given the opportunity to go first!
"They control one objective marker. They control two objective markers. They control more objective markers than the other player." Worst wording of any rule in Warhammer 40,000 history. Worse than 3rd edition close combat rules before they were changed. No wonder why the people I used to play 40K with ignored so many wonky rules.
Can you elaborate the poor wording for me? Trying to learn! Thanks!
@@pauldennis1009 The wording is fine.
First
All Steve's lists are the same no matter what army he runs. Frontload a ridiculous amount of shooting, depend on whoever his opponent is to deploy badly or make a movement mistake, spend the entire game rolling dice and making his opponent pick up models. So boring to watch.
That is how a lot of people play and 9th rewards bubbling up.
Eh? Maybe I'm just new here but two of the recent DA games I saw with him ran a lot of punching.
Yeah i dont think this is a fair, or accurate statement, iv been running mostly Close combat focused armies lately. This is the first shooting list iv played in a long while.
Oh im Steve by the way.
Never mind the terminator and combined arms lists he ran before. .
@@MountainMiniatures the problem is not mainly your list...is a list like that DG, no sense to ever start a game, that deployment then...was last nail in the coffin. There are some Dg lists (with or without Morty) that give hard time to DA.
I really dislike watching a new codex versus a new codex because of this ridiculous power creep. Whoever gets first turn wins every single time. This wasn't competitive and wasn't enjoyable. Stopped watching after minute 30 because Steve secured a win immediately. Can we stop building these hyper optimal lists that demolish whatever is on the other side of the table? They don't make for great batreps
I think this happened because the DG list wasn't hyper optimal, so it's like a good list Vs not a good list. Steve's list is also a very specific build of dark angels, a type of list Lukas list doesn't stand a chance
If this is the level of powercreep from a couple months apart, what is the second space marine codex going to look like?
@@bradtaasevigen9777 I dunno chief, I don't think this is power creep, it's just the combination of bringing the wrong list and getting unlucky.
@@atlas6538 how isn't this power creep when every new codex is much stronger than older ones? The definition of power creep bro lol
@@Collinpawns because the old codex are from 8th edition, they are a place holder rule untill we get new ones. It would be silly to balance around something that will become obsolete in few months
You guys blatantly smash Columbias finest powder, how do you get so energetic?