MPs demand visa scheme for Palestinians fleeing Israeli bombs in Westminster debate
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- čas přidán 12. 05. 2024
- On Monday, MPs used a petitions debate in Westminster Hall to debate the case for granting a bespoke visa for Palestinians trapped in Gaza.
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Why has no UK media or political party reported on the killing of another UN worker, in a UN livery car, by the IDF in Rafah. Plenty about it online, and from UN HQ, but no UK coverage
because nobody knows who fired the shots, we need to wait for the investigation
The uk media universally covered it for the first few days
The same reason they don't show what a shit hole Britain is thanks to 3rd world shit
Banks and foreign investment groups own the UK. Who owns the banks?
@@RainerMichellemost likely Israel since those supplies also feed Hamas fighters. Also Israel has a history of attacks to scare of humanitarian aid. Namely the aid trucks.
Or, counterpoint - no visas required if you stop Israel’s attacks, sanction them on settler violence and take affirmative action to restore the 1967 borders. Then you have the awful task of rebuilding Palestine.
At this point just stopping Israel won’t be enough. Gaza is flattened, the infrastructure is destroyed, the hospitals are gutted, the doctors and engineers and police officers and the rest are decimated. Even if all killing stopped today and all the aid that is needed was immediately allowed to enter there would still not be an adequate life support structures there for anyone elderly, disabled, sick or with young children for months, possibly years. Every Palestinian able to seek refuge in a third country would free up resources and liveable space for those more physically able to remain and start rebuilding
That sounds far too sensible and obvious to form the basis of government policy.
@@WhichDoctor1 sounds like you're going to have to give hand mate
Why aren’t Egypt or any Middle Eastern countries taking them in?
Why are you not showing any of the responses to the questions the MPs raise? Really poor quality video in that regard, its not a debate if you only show the talking points and not the responses...
because its politicsjoe, as much as i love the podcast they wont show both arguements....hence why talktv is the best show on youtube cause u do hear both sides.....politicsjoe is the same as LBC and look what happened there with sangita myska being fired and LBC still wont give a reason why, we know why but still....politicsjoe, LBC is about as corrupt as the BBC but i still do enjoy politicsjoe for the drama.
also if u hadnt noticed, but politicsjoe bring on guest that suits them and they generally agree on a lot of the same things, whereas talktv with piers morgan will debate anyone on topics....this is what makes talktv different to that of politicsjoe, politicsjoe is corrupt theres no question about it....they claim to be "center liberals" but they are 100% left wing media without a doubt, theres nothing "center" about them
@@charlieleedham5265 - absolutely. Its part of their agenda.
Absolutely right and it’s also the UK’s obligation considering they created this mess in the first place. However, the UK needs to recognise an official state, make sure it’s an official member of the UN, help end occupation and help rebuild the entire infrastructure / economy.
I am not sure if Mrs Apsana has seen the map of the Middle East recently. There are several countries around Gaza and yest still none of them wants to help. Ask these questions there.
Maybe ask Jordan what happened to them?
Why not go into Egypt or Jordan?
There's a reason Egypt and Jordan won't take them..... so why should we?
what is that reason?
@jacky5768 they don't want to let them in. Simple as that. Egypt has spent time fortifying it's border with Gaza. That alone, speaks for itself.
@@EC-xr9ek Yet you have no idea why? go on, give it a google if you have to
@@EC-xr9ek Also how did the Jewish people arrive in Palestine? was it because that was the place they wanted to go? or was it because all of Europe didn't want them and they forced them there?
@jacky5768 what do the jews have to do with this?
This is exactly what they promised to send in Europe and America
They clearly want them all dead or exiled
Dont want them dead,they want hamas all dead,and why dont aran take them .They started this mess
Why on earth are the politicians debating UK visas for Palestinians now?
This debate should have taken place seven months ago. What is happening here is nothing more than yet another Westminster con of the public. Westminster is clearly feeling the heat from the General Public over what is happening in Palestine which is why they are debating this topic now. The politicians in Westminster are desperate to show the General Public that they are doing something for the Palestinians except one thing they could, nay should, be doing they are not namely blocking arms sales to Israel and demanding, not meekly begging, Netanyahu ceases his murderous genocidal attacks on Gaza.
well said.
The topic was made by petition, it took more than a 100k signatures for it to be discussed now, I know cause I signed the petition.
Where do you house all these people that would come?
How about also blocking financing and arms to Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houthis by Iranian Islamists?
@@SurrogateJim-bo3dv fake comment. cookie cutter propaganda talking point. nobody buys that shite anymore, other than invested racists and supremacists. Exposed.
The UK was in a bad position when we took in Ukrainian refugees, we are in a worse position now, we simply don’t have the infrastructure to take in more people, we have a housing crisis, cost of living crisis, don’t have enough teachers and schools, NHS is on its knees and our prisons are so full prisoners are being released early.
Can’t even look after the population we’ve already got.
I suspect she's only trying to look out for Palestinians bc they are Muslims or perhaps bc it's the "popular" thing to do. Aspana Begum's constituency in the Whitechapel area is infested with Rodents. Waste collection is on its knees, the streets look like a third world ghetto, and I wouldn't want to be walking there alone at night with my phone in hand.
Her kind thinks being an MP is supposed to be everything anti-british and it makes me sick to my stomach. Have we removed all the homeless (including veterans) from our streets, has the NHS wait times been drastically reduced, are young people like myself now able to get on the housing ladder, have we successfully integrated the huge number of immigrants that have come to this island in the last ten years?? 🤬🤦🏼♂️
Well the uk should stop its complicity in genocide and look after its people. Your government and nato countries are making them refugees. Don’t blame the Palestinians blame the government!!!!
Ask Egypt to open the border and let the people of Gaza into Egypt first. If Egypt and other Arab countries won't do it, then is UK obliged to do it?
Yes because of British colony Palestinians are in this miss !!!
@@kawaidxb Not our problem in 2024.
@@TheAArmstrong you created the problem so own up to it
They want the Palestinians to come here? Do some research, find out why neighbouring Muslim countries don’t let the Palestinians in. Look at the Palestinians in Jordon, black September, civil war, terrorism and trying to overthrow the king and government of the country that gave them refuge. Palestinians in kuwait who sided with the Iraqis during their invasion, in Lebanon the Palestinian liberation organisation was the catalyst for the long running civil war in Lebanon committing many atrocities and massacres towards Christian’s. Egypt won’t let them in because they are afraid of letting terrorists and militants into their country, destabilising it and threatening the 40 year old peace treaty with Isreal.
Why won't their Arab brothers and sisters take them in? I didn't see Muslim countries jumping to take in Ukranian refugees. Why the double standard??
Because they are aware of the consequences unlike naive fools in the west
Why arent Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon or any other surrounding country taking them in?
Israel should give those poor folks there land back. Stealing land is a war crime
NOOOO!
4:13 yaaay more doctors 😂
have they looked into what happens in near every single instance when Palestinians are accepted into other countries? there is a reason no neighbouring countries want to take them.
dont use your brain, using your brain makes british born arabs upset cause they dont wanna hear the truth...Palestinians can pray to allah cause clearly praying to allah 5 times a day is working a treat for them.
i find it insane seeing the mothers of palestine lose their children and they're still praying to allah lmao, allah heard them mothers cry and thought "ok ive heard your prayers....i wanna take your children"
Sissy sunak will add palestine to
homes4 ukrain policy
Why doesn't Egypt or Lebanon take in refugees I wonder
they do. they have done for years. it's usually the bordering countries that take in the most
If they stopped an deported the illegal immigrants then maybe the genuine ones could come but the uk cant help us living here never minds cater for asyli3m seekers plus illegal immigrants it has to end some were the tax payer cant continue paying for the world
they dont have the funds or infrastructure
@@ChezGeno Actually a lie. Egypt doesn't take in any Gazan or Syrian refugees, hence why they have one of the most fortified borders in the world with Gaza.
@@ChezGeno They actually dont and the refugees they do have they refuse to give citizenship to.
We all know why it's different for Palestinians. Let's not speak disingenuously.
They are more trouble than they are worth...
Oh, they've let some doctors in and put them to work in Yardley. How generous.
Id like safe routes for Palestinians, if there were safe routes would Israel even let them out?
wtf is this video quality
The Palestinians are not allowed to leave Gaza.Free Palestine ❤❤🇦🇪
Why wont Egypt take them ???? no need to answer
The uk is full egypt dubai maybe an islamic state
Your right julie ,but we are so stupid and may take them.We have lots of muslims here and they are brainwashed.its a joke roll on when reform uk strike
Agree. Why is this even a debate
The world doesn't run according to your whims, mate. A blanket visa approval process for Islamic terrorists...just because...is suicidal and most of the country would oppose it
A lot more money in Ukraine than there is in Palestine. Sniff sniff
because we dont want them just like everyone else
Speak for yourself Himmler.
@@ZafrodHasselfrau1999 Actually, I think you will find I speak for the masses, If they can't find a safe country who want to take them in between Gaza and the UK, what does that tell you?
@@ZafrodHasselfrau1999he has a point. I didnt see any arab countries offering to help. Egypt put borders up straightaway from what I remember
@@andymcdonald8922how are the Palestinians meant to get to the Arab countries? You also missed the part where they have family here who could sponsor them, the suggestion wasn't to take any and all. Also, the bulk of historical refugees from Palestine are in neighbouring Jordan and Lebanon, so there goes that talking point.
and who wants the zionist
How many Ukrainians are the middle-eastern Muslim countries taking in?
You may as well ask, why aren’t the wealthy Arab countries helping them?
Palestinians are BANNED from all Arab countries because in the past they have started wars in their host countries, Palestinians are dangerous, this is why Egypt or Jordan immediately open fire if a Palestinian tries to cross the border, while Ukrainians are allowed to go where they want, in the EU they have free movement and they get travel documents, Ukrainians are European neighbours, they can enter the UK visa free with their EU travel documents, like all other EU citizens
Four phrases, four countries
Lebanon - Civil War
Jordan - Black September
Kuwait - Saddam Hussein
Egypt - Muslim Brotherhood
Why do none of their neighbouring countries will even let refugees in?
Why are we judging ourselves on the actions of other countries and not the standards of our own values as a nation which is supposedly committed to humanitarianism and international law
Because there is a fear that allowing war refugees into neighboring regions - people who will fight for their right of return - will result in the spilling over into those regions. When will you clowns start asking the right questions? E.g. what is Israel's endgame once Gaza has been levelled? What do they think will happen if they level Rafah?
this has been addressed a million times and if you still are asking this question you are thick as hell. If you take in Palestinians, Israel takes the land. They have no right to Gaza, and have already shown they will take and occupy and not return land. No country wants to be complicit in that.
Arab countries don’t want to let them in because a) No one wants to deal with massive numbers of refugees, b) they don’t want to empty the land, c) Arab countries who previously took in Palestinian refugees experienced extremism and uprisings
Jordan, Syria and Lebanon took in Thousands of Palestinian refugees during the ethnic cleansing Isreal committed at the time of its creation circa 1948. Egypt refused hence Isreal created the Gaza strip for those refugees cleansed from the South and West of Mandated Palestine.
No!
Why don't the nearby counties take them in do they know what sort of people they are and the trouble they fetch..
Ohhh women, children and doctors. So much trouble. I’m quaking in my boots!
The nazis said the same thing about the Jews, why doesn't israel stop bombing and allow Palestinian liberation so people can be free. Why not target the root cause of this issue, wait its because we support the occupation and lack of human rights of Palestinians. You might want to look in the mirror as to what you are saying, as it comes across as ignorant.
@@shuaibafzal6042What entitles you to a Doctor more because you're in the UK over any other country?
@@shuaibafzal6042 So there's " women, children and doctors" among Islamic jihadis, too, eh? Good to know!
@@nadeemahmed9804 because when Palestinians are free, they kill Israelis, because Palestinians do not accept the existence of the Jewish State, just like the Russians do not accept the existence of Ukraine as a free country
Nope!
Blame hamas for everything
No more extremist on British Streets
Definitely not. We already have a Muslim problem here. If it was a tolerant religion then it wouldn’t be a problem
Maybe because we are told they are culturally similar and not dark skinned Arabic and Muslim. Maybe cause they tend to be white and Christian.
Well at least you are admitting the truth - its cos they are blond women and nor brown men
it doesnt matter, we dont want religion here, we want a secular nation....when religion becomes power then we are done for....look at IRAN for example, look at the women there and the hijab crisis.
religion can do one as far as im concerned, we dont need a book written by men to tell us how we should be as a society
@@piccalillipit9211 Yeah, we’ve had enough dilution of the European people.
@@TheAArmstrong Well blame Am3ric4 for that - its their wars that have caused the influx
About 60 muslim countries but they dont want them either.
And that means we shouldn't do our bit? Are they less human?
@@user-sd3ik9rt6d if their neighbours are not willing to lead by example then no, we shouldn't feel forced to take in people from half the world away with a vastly different culture. When Ukraine was invaded nobody was out there demanding the middle east take in cultural seperate eastern europeans that don't know the language, why the double standards now? The refugees would likely settle better in nearby countries with a shared language, culture, and higher likelihood of family ties anyway.
None of them are the reason for this mess. The UK is.
1. UK has a massive role in this mess (balfour deceleration, sykes picot, etc). 2. All neighbouring countries have hundreds kf thousands or even millions of Palestine refugees. 3. None of the neighbouring countries are supporting a genocidal government with arms sales...
@@mrmuds8624 only by sending money/aid to hamas, meant for the Palestinian people , used that money to fund weapons and tunnels instead
We implemented visas for Ukrainians now you want visas for Palestinians when is it going to end?
Ones a war, where hostages are involved, and cruelty and horror has been perpetuated by both sides for generations in the name of religion.
The other is an invasion.
Hope that cleared that up for you.
This is just pure misinformation at this point. Gaza is occupied by israel. It is an open air concentration camp where the idf are picking people off like fish in a barrel. Except with dumb bombs. Compare the civilian casualty rate between that two invasions and the true difference will become abundantly clear to you
Also, learn to use an apostrophe.
@@Alice-go2nc Says the person who starts a statement with "Also,"
But it's understandable you attack my grammar, considering you can't rebuke the content of what I've said in any way.
Ask yourself why no country that borders Palestine will give them refuge or protection in there country ,not one single country will give them sanctuary.
Why why is that well it's because of there ideology they don't want it in there country and that's the hard facts.
Because Ukrainians are like minded people with whom we share many cultural values, and Palestinians are extremely different in some quite fundamental cultural ways.
Theres a massive islamist problem in Gaza and it's obviously unwise to import large chunks of that into your country.
I dont believe there should be no immigration from the region, but clearly there are unique and particular concerns that apply to gazans, that do not apply to Ukrainians, and so the levels of immigration should be lower and the standards applied more rigorous and stringent.
I know some of you will think this is some wildly offensive take, but its palpably and obviously a mainstream thought on the topic.
The Ukrainians are 70% Christian whereas we are a majority secular society. That seems pretty different to me.
There is a far right problem amongst Ukrainians; should we be importing people who are hostile to British people with black and brown skin (irrespective of their religion).
@@Zen-rd9npthe UK is still about 45/50% Christian and our culture was built on Christian values… there was a separation between state and religion in the past so we are governed secularly, but British values are based on Christian values, and the CofE/Christianity is literally our “official” religion.
@@ktsf81 ah yes the denomination created purely so one guy could continue being a womaniser. Some wonderful values we’ve got from that.
@@Zen-rd9np Yes, Europe is just plagued with those fundamental christians killing and raping while shouting "in the name of the father, the mother, and the holy ghost" alright....
I also heard all the white christians living in the those diverse middle eastern countries are saying they find lots of christianophobia happening to and around them...... Oh wait...
Jesus wept, are any of them bringing houses, or does generation rent have to downsize yet again in order to afford abhorrent rents?
Maybe if we weren't funding their war we'd have a little pocket money left over to build some fucking houses? Maybe if we didn't contribute to the humanitarian crisis in Gazan we wouldn't be talking about this? You can't think so stop trying to.
yes mate, its the refugees fleeing war who are jacking the rents up, what an absolutely astounding head you've got on your shoulders
nothing to do with immigrants - its the rich buying up all the property you ***** *****
You could just ration house ownership to one per person but a government made up of landlords isnt going to do that.
If everyone's renting and our rents are becoming ever more unaffordable, then who's buying the houses then Sherlock? 🤡
Not our responsibility let nearby counties take them in..
The UK provides military assistance to Israel, it IS our responsibility on that point alone. 🙄
@@giansiderosthey are more trouble than they are worth..
@@giansiderosmore trouble than they are worth..
Stop the boats with people's that have nothing but problems . And let the rest of them in .
It isn't people with skills that will come, more a different culture. Palestinians do not need to come to The UK. They will be better off going to Qatar, to be with many of their leaders, who live in luxurious accommodates, eat delicious food, along with plenty of wealth.
Degrees and Skills, Aaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
Hate to break this to you but there were universities in Gaza before Israel completely flattened them in the name of “destroying Hamas”
Theres a reason egypt iran iraq saudi syria lebanon dont want to take them, in the world of united nations we should agree.
Terrorists ? Terrorist supporters ?
Pretty much. 70% of Palestinians support Hamas, I don't want those people in the UK, and funnily enough neither does Egypt, Lebanon, Syria and Jordan.
Who? Israel
@@nadeemahmed9804 No, Muslims
@@nadeemahmed9804 Wrong.
No thanks
When Lebanon accepted Palestine refugees they got a civil war so no tanks no palestine 0:37
How can it be, because we have had enough, Im sick of UK being a dumping ground for people.
Unless it's your loved ones,
Phahaha no you just like dumping bombs on other countries then failing to understand that british colonial and postcolonial foreign policies have created devastating human catastrophes in the countries we’ve meddled with. And yes we played a staring role in the formation of Israel and the failure to ensure recognition(de jure and de facto) of the native Palestinian population. Your comment is obscenely misinformed or pure projection
@@marlonr391 The loved one's should not have been here in the first place for then the other Loved one's then to come over, when is the UK going to stop being a dumping ground for countries people with problems.
@@Alice-go2nctotal rubbish.
@Alice-go2nc
Totally agree 100% The problem is that people and governments ignore the facts. Just don't talk about pre October 7th. It's like you have a bully in the school making other students life hell then one student loses it and brakes the bully's jawbone, and all the school what's to discuss is the fact that the student broke the bully's jawbone. Not interested in what the bully's been doing all year to the students
She wanted to bring young Hamas to uk
ok is this first lady related to shamima? if so how did she get to be an MP?
second, considering a large number of the palestinian population is aligned with terrorism, why shoud we do anything?
She got to be an MP cos people voted for her - its a democracy
Get off the internet
Large number of the Palestinian population is aligned with terrorism lol - you are on level 100 of brain washing, what do you even know about Palestinians...
Begum is a common Bengali surname. It’s like saying every Smith is related you muppet.
Whoever that first woman is, she needs lessons in public speaking.
Why can they not go to Israel? I thought it was supposed to be a western civilised democracy.
WTF, how does that make any sense? I've never heard of a country taking in citizens from a neighboring country/ territory that attacked them. 😂
Hmmm, I wonder what the difference is…🤔