Most people now days have no idea how to load and shoot and tune a real muzzloader round ball gun. Been doing it since 1976. U r very good in this craft
And I've always heard the 1:48 twist had questionable accuracy potential. Thanks for putting that lore to rest. I'm really enjoying your videos. Thanks for your efforts.
Hey Idaho just wanted to thank you for the videos. You’ve inspired me to get into traditional blackpowder rifles. I have a TC Encore and shoot sabots with Hornady 44 cal xtp pistol bullets through it. It wears a Vortex 16 power scope and better than MOA with it isn’t a problem. Until I saw your videos I wouldn’t have believed that traditional muzzleloader’s with open sights could match that type of accuracy. I have since bought a TC Hawken and Renegade both 50 cal and a Traditions Crocket rifle in 32 cal and also a Lymans Great Plains Flintlock with both a 54 and 50 cal barrel. The Hawken is outfitted with a globe front sight and a Lyman SML peep for target shooting. The Renegade has a fiber optic front sight with a TC peep and is my hunting rifle. My Lyman GPR has the standard sights on it for now. I don’t shoot near as well as you but I am so glad I saw your videos and decided to give traditional blackpowder rifles a try. I can’t wait to hunt deer this fall with either the Renegade or the Lymans Flintlock.
AWESOME stuff my friend 👍 These Old Rifles are EXTREMELY Capable! There is just something cool about doing it with an Old Sidelock Muzzleloader, That actually looks like a Muzzleloader 👍 Thanks for watching, if you have any questions feel free to ask
I just got a 50 Renegade flint and found that the bore is tighter than my other 50. I only have a .495 mold now so planning on using some thinner patches to try. Thanks for the video.
Great video! I have .58cal Cabela's from about 30yrs ago I inherited from my passed on Dad- - As far as I can tell it's never been shot as he had many & as old as he was he mainly was shooting .45 & smaller Flintlocks but always (from reading opinions) heard 1/48 twist wasn't too accurate lot these writers talked about getting after market barrel w/ different twist rates for bullets or balls & 48 rate was just compromise- Well Sir your just made them Crow feed w/ this video- Glad I found your channel to learn from - Thanks Million!
I have the same rifle. My dad got it for me when I was 14 for free because the previous owner’s son had supposedly dry balled it. We had no idea of the powder charge or projectile type so we were wary of conventional methods and never succeeded in clearing it. I’m 36 now and finally removed the breech using heat. I placed the breech over flame and retreated to a safe place and distance. It never fired and I discovered a cleaning jag and no powder charge! I hope it shoots as good as yours!
The gun was designed for the .490 round ball and will shoot the round ball just as accurately as the bullets. You cannot go wrong shooting a pure lead .490 round ball. I have been shooting black powder for over 50 years and if you shoot enough you will eventually understand why most people with a lot of experience go back to a pure lead round ball in their muzzle loaders, even the pistols shoot better and more consistently.
My .54 T/C Hawken does not shoot round ball well at all and I've tried multiple combinations of ball , patch and powder weight and granulation. It will however shoot 1-1/2 inch groups at 100yrds with the 425gr Hornady Great plains conical and 100 grains of fff.
I just bought a Thompson Center Renegade 50cal with the original TC Renegade Peep sight on it. It's in really good condition, I also have a TC Renegade 54cal & a TC Hawken 50. I bought the Lymen 57 peep sight & a Taylor & Company peep for my other Hawken rifles, but I haven't installed them yet. I also have a new in box Pedersoli Traditional Hawken Target 50 & a CVA Hawken Supreme 54cal with chrome lined bore, & a Investarms Bridger Hawken 50 I started getting into Traditional muzzleloaders a few years ago and they are addicting to say the least lol.
I bought thar exact rifle in 1990...and a white mountain carbine with a 1-21" twist...the renegade was perfect for hunting with a 1-4 scope and shooting 2 patch round balls ..work up your group with different patches and 495 and 490 balls..your going to get a spread of 2 to 4"..I settled for 2" spread...I big white tail getting hit with 2 round balls is deadly and quick...it also grouped green 50 caliber sabots with a 240 44 caliber xtp like a center fire rifle...somewhere many years ago I researched double round balls and they used that in military and hunting...it's perfect for hunting..since 1990 I ALWAYS and I mean ALWAYS took two muzzle loaders hunting in the tree stand and two scouting...a second shot takes you a minute or two my second shot takes me 2 seconds
I’ve used .495 ball in my TC Tenegade. No patch. Polymer wad below it. Just a few shots. Went back to .490 with ticking to protect the barrel from the polymer.
I'm gonna have to break out the old Renegade. I did have inconsistent accuracy with round balls and conicals. Maybe a change of sights might help.....subbed !
The 1/48 twist is good under 80 grains of 2f powder. Get you a Bill moody barrel 58 cal 180 grain 2f black powder with felt wad and cloth patch. Twist is 1-96 36 inch barrel 1 and1/8 across the flats. You will love it at 200 yards. Keep up the good work.
Hello Idaho. I have another idea for a test you could do. You should compare the accuracy of cast balls with sprues compared to perfectly round swaged balls. I think that would be very interesting.
Based soley on my experiances the 1:48 twist is a compromise. Its said to work equally well for patched round ball and conicals. What ive found is that it does But its more finacky/fussy about charge and with the weight of projectile. Also rifling depth is a concideration. If you can find a load for round and a load for conical thats great you have options. It took me a whole summer and 3lbs of powder to get acceptable performance for both.
I would think that the use of the peep sights add to the precieved acuracy of any rifle over any rear notch and front blade. Its simply takes some of the error away. Several 3 or 5 shot groups will tell you truer results in acuracy over a single group.
Do you have any videos on how you load and if you clean every so many shots ? Then shoot again clean again, ? How you go about cleaning the TC Renegade
Hello Lewis, thanks for sharing ! the mould is referenced in 485 grains at accurate, but you said 429 in the video, is it another version ? Best regards from France.
I have the renegade love it. Just bought a lee 250 grain real mold. Will see how it goes. I do have a question maybe I missed it but what is an I bullet? Great video.
@@SharpTexan71 www.accuratemolds.com/bullet_detail.php?bullet=50-415I When Cast of Pure Lead my Bullet weighs in at 427 Grains. These Bullets shoot incredible, They are my Favorite Hunting Bullets in all Calibers 👍
I bought a used but never fired Traditions bare bones Springfield Hawken rifle for $50 bucks, I assume it is 1:48 twist .. Shooting 70, 80, and 90 grain charges of 2f Goex, 490 ball with a .015 store bought pre lubed patch I got under 1 inch groups at 40 yards .. I then tried some Hornady 385 grain Great Plains Bullets and got the same results without any sight adjustments .. Best $50 dollars that I ever spent ..! Does anyone know if they make any after market rear sights for Traditions ..?
Going to a range soon that has longer distances, 50 and 100 yards, the Springfield Hawken has no rear sight elevation adjustment, I had to file a bit off the top of the front sight .. It also has an internal trigger adjustment ..
Hey, mr lewis I have that same rifle I want it stroke'n can you help me, on the mold web site, it ask for specific on dia, cavity Spec would you share the specs on your mold, I'm not savvy with Bp percussion rifle Just tinker'n, thanks and please reply soon, thanks Baxter.
Well i have the same rifle and is not acutate like you say , yes acurate at 30 yards yes , 3"of center at 50 yards 8"of center at 100 yards i have two rifles hawken 45,renegade 50 cal both same change powder patces size balls to conical move sights same thing
@@idaholewis265 Do you have any idea if that or the Williams FP Hawken sight will fit a TC New Englander? It looks similar. I need something to help my aging eyes.
@@normnelson9583 I have a Lyman 57SML on my TC New Englander, There is some fitting required, but nothing that i feel is difficult. I invite you to Join me on my new Muzzleloading Forum, I will be uploading my Lyman 57SML install there, i also just did a Trigger Job on my TC New Englander that i will be uploading on to my Forum. Here is a link to my Forum, I hope you join it 👍 idaholewis.forumotion.com/
Most people now days have no idea how to load and shoot and tune a real muzzloader round ball gun. Been doing it since 1976. U r very good in this craft
And I've always heard the 1:48 twist had questionable accuracy potential. Thanks for putting that lore to rest. I'm really enjoying your videos. Thanks for your efforts.
It’s all about consistency. Weighing your balls or slugs to match. Measuring powder exact. Keeping a clean barrel.
Absolutely love watching this. Be glad to see the video of you loading
Awesome performance. I’m impressed how great that shoots. Real good video.
Hey Idaho just wanted to thank you for the videos. You’ve inspired me to get into traditional blackpowder rifles. I have a TC Encore and shoot sabots with Hornady 44 cal xtp pistol bullets through it. It wears a Vortex 16 power scope and better than MOA with it isn’t a problem. Until I saw your videos I wouldn’t have believed that traditional muzzleloader’s with open sights could match that type of accuracy. I have since bought a TC Hawken and Renegade both 50 cal and a Traditions Crocket rifle in 32 cal and also a Lymans Great Plains Flintlock with both a 54 and 50 cal barrel. The Hawken is outfitted with a globe front sight and a Lyman SML peep for target shooting. The Renegade has a fiber optic front sight with a TC peep and is my hunting rifle. My Lyman GPR has the standard sights on it for now. I don’t shoot near as well as you but I am so glad I saw your videos and decided to give traditional blackpowder rifles a try. I can’t wait to hunt deer this fall with either the Renegade or the Lymans Flintlock.
AWESOME stuff my friend 👍 These Old Rifles are EXTREMELY Capable! There is just something cool about doing it with an Old Sidelock Muzzleloader, That actually looks like a Muzzleloader 👍 Thanks for watching, if you have any questions feel free to ask
Great shooting! I’ve had a Renegade for a long time, and with the stock sights it’s still pretty accurate. Its a nice rifle overall.
love your videos
I just got a 50 Renegade flint and found that the bore is tighter than my other 50. I only have a .495 mold now so planning on using some thinner patches to try. Thanks for the video.
Awesome shooting !
That was insanely good!
Great video! I have .58cal Cabela's from about 30yrs ago I inherited from my passed on Dad- - As far as I can tell it's never been shot as he had many & as old as he was he mainly was shooting .45 & smaller Flintlocks but always (from reading opinions) heard 1/48 twist wasn't too accurate lot these writers talked about getting after market barrel w/ different twist rates for bullets or balls & 48 rate was just compromise- Well Sir your just made them Crow feed w/ this video- Glad I found your channel to learn from - Thanks Million!
I have the same rifle. My dad got it for me when I was 14 for free because the previous owner’s son had supposedly dry balled it. We had no idea of the powder charge or projectile type so we were wary of conventional methods and never succeeded in clearing it. I’m 36 now and finally removed the breech using heat. I placed the breech over flame and retreated to a safe place and distance. It never fired and I discovered a cleaning jag and no powder charge! I hope it shoots as good as yours!
The gun was designed for the .490 round ball and will shoot the round ball just as accurately as the bullets. You cannot go wrong shooting a pure lead .490 round ball. I have been shooting black powder for over 50 years and if you shoot enough you will eventually understand why most people with a lot of experience go back to a pure lead round ball in their muzzle loaders, even the pistols shoot better and more consistently.
My .54 T/C Hawken does not shoot round ball well at all and I've tried multiple combinations of ball , patch and powder weight and granulation. It will however shoot 1-1/2 inch groups at 100yrds with the 425gr Hornady Great plains conical and 100 grains of fff.
I just bought a Thompson Center Renegade 50cal with the original TC Renegade Peep sight on it. It's in really good condition, I also have a TC Renegade 54cal & a TC Hawken 50. I bought the Lymen 57 peep sight & a Taylor & Company peep for my other Hawken rifles, but I haven't installed them yet. I also have a new in box Pedersoli Traditional Hawken Target 50 & a CVA Hawken Supreme 54cal with chrome lined bore, & a Investarms Bridger Hawken 50 I started getting into Traditional muzzleloaders a few years ago and they are addicting to say the least lol.
I bought thar exact rifle in 1990...and a white mountain carbine with a 1-21" twist...the renegade was perfect for hunting with a 1-4 scope and shooting 2 patch round balls ..work up your group with different patches and 495 and 490 balls..your going to get a spread of 2 to 4"..I settled for 2" spread...I big white tail getting hit with 2 round balls is deadly and quick...it also grouped green 50 caliber sabots with a 240 44 caliber xtp like a center fire rifle...somewhere many years ago I researched double round balls and they used that in military and hunting...it's perfect for hunting..since 1990 I ALWAYS and I mean ALWAYS took two muzzle loaders hunting in the tree stand and two scouting...a second shot takes you a minute or two my second shot takes me 2 seconds
Makes me wanna get my renagade out
I’ve used .495 ball in my TC Tenegade. No patch. Polymer wad below it. Just a few shots. Went back to .490 with ticking to protect the barrel from the polymer.
I'm gonna have to break out the old Renegade. I did have inconsistent accuracy with round balls and conicals. Maybe a change of sights might help.....subbed !
The 1/48 twist is good under 80 grains of 2f powder. Get you a Bill moody barrel 58 cal 180 grain 2f black powder with felt wad and cloth patch. Twist is 1-96 36 inch barrel 1 and1/8 across the flats. You will love it at 200 yards. Keep up the good work.
It’s a shooter no doubt about it …..like the sights ….
Hello Idaho. I have another idea for a test you could do.
You should compare the accuracy of cast balls with sprues compared to perfectly round swaged balls. I think that would be very interesting.
Based soley on my experiances the 1:48 twist is a compromise. Its said to work equally well for patched round ball and conicals. What ive found is that it does But its more finacky/fussy about charge and with the weight of projectile. Also rifling depth is a concideration. If you can find a load for round and a load for conical thats great you have options. It took me a whole summer and 3lbs of powder to get acceptable performance for both.
Where did all of your old videos go? Do you still use felt over powder wads?
I would think that the use of the peep sights add to the precieved acuracy of any rifle over any rear notch and front blade. Its simply takes some of the error away. Several 3 or 5 shot groups will tell you truer results in acuracy over a single group.
Hello Mr. Idaho, would you recommend your "i" bullet design for a fast twist 1:24 in .54 cal? I'm looking at 54-485I on Accurate Molds.
Can’t wait for your next video stretching it’s legs ..!
Do you have any videos on how you load and if you clean every so many shots ? Then shoot again clean again, ? How you go about cleaning the TC Renegade
Hello Lewis, thanks for sharing ! the mould is referenced in 485 grains at accurate, but you said 429 in the video, is it another version ? Best regards from France.
I have the renegade love it. Just bought a lee 250 grain real mold. Will see how it goes. I do have a question maybe I missed it but what is an I bullet? Great video.
The i bullet (.45, .50, and .54) is a series that i designed through Accurate Bullet Molds 👍
@@idaholewis265 is there away for me to buy a mold?. How many grains is it?
@@SharpTexan71 www.accuratemolds.com/bullet_detail.php?bullet=50-415I
When Cast of Pure Lead my Bullet weighs in at 427 Grains. These Bullets shoot incredible, They are my Favorite Hunting Bullets in all Calibers 👍
Thank you ill check it out.
Thanks for the link - did you order the mold with .500 diameter? Are you running your bullets through a sizer?
What's your swabbing procedure between shots? Also curious where you got that powder charge holder.
Will those guns shoot a shorter lead bullet say 250grain
Did you wipe the bore between shots? Just one wipe? Curious?
Are you cleaning between shots??
I bought a used but never fired Traditions bare bones Springfield Hawken rifle for $50 bucks, I assume it is 1:48 twist .. Shooting 70, 80, and 90 grain charges of 2f Goex, 490 ball with a .015 store bought pre lubed patch I got under 1 inch groups at 40 yards .. I then tried some Hornady 385 grain Great Plains Bullets and got the same results without any sight adjustments .. Best $50 dollars that I ever spent ..! Does anyone know if they make any after market rear sights for Traditions ..?
Going to a range soon that has longer distances, 50 and 100 yards, the Springfield Hawken has no rear sight elevation adjustment, I had to file a bit off the top of the front sight .. It also has an internal trigger adjustment ..
Sir, are you getting any expansion with the I-Bullet on game???
Runnung 495 with the wonderlube patches. Dont have anything to compare with. All that's available now is 490...
Whats the i bullet?? more information please
Hey, mr lewis I have that same rifle I want it stroke'n can you help me, on the mold web site, it ask for specific on dia, cavity
Spec would you share the specs on your mold, I'm not savvy with Bp percussion rifle
Just tinker'n, thanks and please reply soon, thanks Baxter.
Well i have the same rifle and is not acutate like you say , yes acurate at 30 yards yes , 3"of center at 50 yards 8"of center at 100 yards i have two rifles hawken 45,renegade 50 cal both same change powder patces size balls to conical move sights same thing
How many yards two
Where can we find a mold for that I bullet?
Accurate Bullet Molds 👍
What rear peep sight is that?
Lyman 57SML, There is a modification that needs done to the Base to make it fit properly
@@idaholewis265 Do you have any idea if that or the Williams FP Hawken sight will fit a TC New Englander? It looks similar. I need something to help my aging eyes.
@@normnelson9583 I have a Lyman 57SML on my TC New Englander, There is some fitting required, but nothing that i feel is difficult. I invite you to Join me on my new Muzzleloading Forum, I will be uploading my Lyman 57SML install there, i also just did a Trigger Job on my TC New Englander that i will be uploading on to my Forum. Here is a link to my Forum, I hope you join it 👍 idaholewis.forumotion.com/
@@idaholewis265 I was wondering about the Williams, because as you say it is stiffer. Thanks for the link, I will check out your forum!
That’s pretty damned accurate