Real vs Rip Off Woodpeckers Tools | The Results May Shock You!
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- I wanted to know if Woodpeckers tools were worth the high price so I found some replicas on Amazon and decided to compare them. What do you think? Are they work the high prices compared to the knock offs?
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The return policy on Amazon is fantastic. If you don't like something for any reason, they will send you a shipping label and refund your money that day or send you a new one. If something is defective you will find it immediately, not years from now. It's sad to see you so loyally compare products with no objectivity or common sense.
This is a great item
@@BariumCobaltNitrog3n That's why when you pay $50 on Amazon it is really worth $35 because of that returns policy.
@@mariuszjarczak3679 You have to choose wisely, read reviews-more is better, look at the company's rank and rep score
I am a Woodpecker fan for sure. You get what you pay for and part of that price is R&D. You can always find a Chinese knockoff of anything that is stolen and made cheaper. Customer service is a very big part of a company for me. I had a Woodpecker router bit that broke during my first use. I called customer service, they said let me look into it and get back to you. Within an hour, the President of Woodpeckers called me. He personally apologized and overnighted me not 1 but 2 new router bits. Not to mention Made in the USA!! I am happy to support a company like that.
Woodpeckers are a bunch of crooks that steal themselves anyways. So don't feel bad about buying the knockoffs, actually.. please buy them.
I have experienced Woodpeckers warranty first hand. Far and above my expectations. Great people there.
Hi Jack, I’m interested in what the warranty claim was about. Did it fail over time or out of the box? While their warranty service may be great, if something goes wrong with the Amazon version of the pocket rules, I can replace them 5 times over and still be ahead money wise compared to the Woodpeckers brand. Thanks.
13:00 That hole is not "self-centering" it's just a hole.
You have proven beyond a doubt that American made means overpriced. Made in China does not mean lower quality. iPhone, Rolex, Cartier, Omega, Mercedes Benz, BMW and hundreds of American brands are made in China.
What I meant was that the hole is in the center of 3/4" stock and if you use a self centering drill bit, it will drill the hole in the center.
MATT! I appreciate all your content but I especially like this video and would love to see more content comparing/contrasting top tier hand tools against the generic stuff from Amazon. Hope you have a great Memorial Day weekend!
Thanks John!
You've got to give credit to Woodpeckers: they've managed to convince an entire generation of woodworkers to pay through the nose for tools delivering accuracy a machinist would envy. The Emperor's New Clothes of the woodworking world! 🤣
lol love the Emperor's New Clothes analogy!
I call it the Apple effect.
Studies have shown that people equate high price with a better product, even if the products are exactly the same.
Anything less than an eighth of an inch is unmeasurable. Kidding aside, modern woodworkers be getting pretty crazy with their tolerances. It’s not titanium. Your furniture isn’t going to stay where you put it. You don’t need to be thinking in 64ths. It just doesn’t matter that much.
@@CarlYota I think that's going to be where I struggle most when I start making stuff, honestly. I work in a machine shop and have for over a year, so I measure things in thousandths of an inch every single day. Typically down to a 3 or 4 thousandth tolerance... Or about the width of two hairs lol. So when I get to actual woodworking, that's what I'm going to naturally want to measure to and have to remind myself it ain't that deep lol
Excellent comparison. One point I would make regarding the Woodpeckers lifetime warranty is that it wouldn't cover neglect and with these tools only neglect would make them faulty.
I have that exact slide rule set. Works perfect for my needs.
Banggood has quite a few quality WP knockoffs.
This is amazing! I have the Woodpeckers 12” edge rule and really wanted a 24” T square but the cost was unreasonable compared to the edge rule. I was too scared to buy the knock off bc I wanted consistent measurements. You just save me so much money!
I'm not sure if "fake" is the right word here. It's more of a "knockoff."
Thanks for this! The saddle T is the one I was really hoping would be a good value replacement, but you clearly get what you pay for.
Hell, for someone starting off and getting new tools, this helps a lot. Worth the buy...
I do have the Amazon Chinese rules. I think the major difference between them is that the graduation markings are a surface coat/transfer, whereas according to the woodpeckers site, their markings are laser etched.
I watched a video with the Amazon version and it was stated that the markings are laser etched.
@@robertknowles3677they are Lazer etched. I just got mine from Amazon
I have no issue paying for quality, especially if the warranty is top notch.
Thank you! This was a truly helpful and honest video. Question though... is the knock-off saddle square's shorter overhang made 1/2" or 3/8" ("by design" like the offset on the cabinet square), or is it just random?
Great review!
Thanks for explaining what that square cutout is for! 🤣
Thanks for the detailed review. Had not seen these; will probably buy a few of them. One thing I would have liked to see is testing the durability of the metal.
Like many of us, my "shop" is my garage and often times that may actually mean the driveway in front of the garage, with smallish tables or horses. I love some of the things I can do with a speed square, but the soft aluminum in the budget square I found in the big box store dents and burs up like crazy when you drop it. Which means everytime it drops i have to get out my file and try to knock off the burs without affecting accuracy. I work hard to protect these things but it happens. The difference in sent-to-china stuff is sometimes the lack of environmental regulations and cheaper labor, but sometimes its the unseen things like metalurgy.
It would be nice to see a "drop test" or hardness test (or maybe just poke each of them with a sharp object) to compare these two and see if the American made Woodpecker stuff is tougher in daily use.
Follow up: So 731 gave me a "like" on the original version of this comment which probably motivated me to do more (honey vs vinegar, etc.). It turns out "Vickers" hardness is a good measure for dents in metals and dent resistance in aluminum is highly variable by alloy. In fact it varies by a factor of 15x ! Here's a link:
Overview of materials for Aluminum Alloy
www.matweb.com/search/DataSheet.aspx?MatGUID=ab8aeb2d293041c4a844e397b5cfbd4e
BTW: The type of alloy doesnt seem to have much affect on thermal expansion.
To me it would be worth it to get tougher stuff, but tougher stuff is harder to drill so it will, of course, cost more. I wonder if the Woodpecker tools are made of tougher stuff? I think I may actually get that WP t-square, which is definitely a step up from drawing lines with my framing square. I'll see if I can test the WP dentability with a nail or something in some obscure location. Thanks again for the review.
Great presentation! Also, outstanding Tee shirt! Semper Fi
I have wanted a set of Poalini Pocket Rules for a long time but couldn’t justify the price. I’m just a amateur woodcrafter. I don’t make my living doing woodworking. Thanks for the comparison review. That knock off is affordable and good enough for me. I wanted a rack to mount them on the wall over my workbench. I made a rack out of scrap wood.
I have a few woodpecker tools. One of the, is the Saddle T-6 and I wish that the square edge was a little shorter than 3/4”. When scribing on 3/4” plywood (which is really 23/32”) I have to lift the board up so I can slide the saddle left/right when scribing. Very annoying.
I really like Adam Savage's advice about buying new tools. He says to buy the cheapest version of a new tool you can find. If you end up using that tool to the point of breaking it, buy a better quality version. You could also add, if you're missing a feature that a more expensive version of the tool has, then you know it'll be worth it to you to pay the higher price.
Great video Matt! Really enjoyed it.
I think this is good advice for hand tools, but not for power tools. If you know you’re going to use something, going too cheap can result in diminished quality and create an inaccurate perspective.
There is definitely some validity to that statement but I'll give you an example where it doesn't apply. I've had a cheap hand plane for many years. It was always a pain in the a$$ to use and never really worked properly. Recently I decided to buy a top of the line hand plane. Wow!!! what a difference. Same thing with a set of chisels. But I suppose a big part is also knowing how to properly use the tool as well.
I think there are products that justify the costs for Woodpeckers. There are those times, like on the saddle square, that the features define the product. For me, it’s a matter of accuracy and convenience. I have limited pockets. I need to make sure whatever is in those pockets is accurate and can do what I need. Weirdly, the Amazon small square delivers some features the Woodpeckers doesn’t. I feel like the combination of Delve square and the Amazon small square might be justified. Or the DMT and the Woodpeckers…*sigh*. I’d much prefer to purchase USA made. Some of the cost of Woodpeckers is to enable the factory workers to make a living wage. I get it. And I am all for that! Woodpeckers folks make great products with high precision. Then they go out to dinner in their local neighborhood and add to the economy. I think that is something I can pay a little extra for.
When manufacturers put metric and inch measurements on both faces of a rule they don't do it in the optimum way. If the inches are on the edge nearest to you on one face, they do the same on the other face. It would be more useful if the inches were nearest on one face and metric was nearest to you when you flip it over. I think it would be even better if one face was all inches, (both edges), and flip it over to get all metric! Deluxe would would read L to R on the edge nearest you and R to L on the far edge. What do you think? Good video, thanks.
the irony is that if you really want precision then you aren't using rulers and pencils.
That was my thought. I am getting the slide rules though to lock down measurements and save them for later
not that ironic, they are woodworking tools and considering that wood moves to some degree it doesn't matter if you use a more accurate method
@@T0tenkampf as a matter of fact it does matter a considerable amount. For example if you are making hand carved dove tail joints, or mortice and tenon joints. You aren't going to be getting the precision you need with a ruler and pencil.
@@tchevrierthat’s what I use veritas marking gauges for.
@@tchevrierIve seen 100 year dovetails that might make you walk that back a bit.
I love how you presented the items. This was perfect!
it's very interesting. but, you've used the Woodpecker stuff as reference. how about using something like starret or optical stuff.?? what makes Woodpecker the standard??
That's wild seeing the Paolini pocket rule on YT. I work for Paolini
Machining in every country is the same its all done by cnc machines. The made in the USA price tag is crazy on these items
@@1pcfred they used to be done like that now its all done with cnc and lazers
I'm not sure I understand what the pocket rule does that a combination or double square does not.
Your 0.155" is pretty much 4mm, so it can be used for that. In fact, more people can use it, as more people use metric.
Truewerk is awesome. I have t2 t3 and t4. The s4 jacket is crazy warm, has to be 32 degrees or colder to wear.
Which tool was the one that can quickly mark center down a board?
Hands down, one of your best comparison posts.
I have the Paolini and like it. But honestly, I use it mostly to ensure I’m cutting the same length of a board - top and bottom on a tracksaw. I could use the Kreg product for that. I have other tools to measure square, blades, bits. So despite my spendthrift habit of buying Woodpecker, one can go with the fake red on this tool.
Doesn't the DFM come with 2 pins so can use it as a center finding/marking as well or am I thinking the DFM small square? I got a DFM blemish set for a great price so that's an option to save a few coins as well.
I think the carpenter square comes with 1 but the mini DFM comes with 2.
Your accuracy comparisons assumed the woodpecker’s measurements were correct. I bought sets of the pocket rules a few years back as Christmas presents and found them acceptable, but not necessarily accurate, being about a line width different.
“Paloney” 😂
Thank you for being honest especially for us beginning woodworkers I'm glad I found your videos
Interested in seeing what the alloy quality would be on these
Matt... just wanted to say THANK YOU for the content, the knowledge you share and the faith you have. Please keep doing what you're doing. Working up the courage to start with some projects. I already bought some plans... Thanks again and GOD Bless!!
Very good comparison video.
I also use the Delve square more often compared to my other WP tools.
The Amazon mini-square is an interesting buy for the price
Couple thoughts. While it's a feel good thing, the measures being exactly the same only matter if you are swapping from one tool to another mid operation. Further the continuity doesn't necessarily translate to accuracy. Lastly when testing square, what you really did was compared two unknowns. To test each (without a confirmed square) draw a line, flip the tool and draw another line. If the two are parallel you have a square tool.
If he has used the flip method to verify his check square then his method is perfectly valid. Furthermore, you can’t just flip the t-square to test t so using another verified square is a reasonable way to check it. You are not wrong, just giving another perspective.
@@rifleman1873 But...he DIDN'T use the flip method. All he did was compare two unknowns. IF the test square was VERIFIED sure. But two drawn lines means nothing. He may know that, but the viewers might not. One needs to decide whether the video's intent is educational or simply promotional content. Either is fine. But be clear.
Only valid it the edge of the test piece is straight. So you need to test this first. Two straight edges will do- it they both show it straight, and they also show each other straight, then it is straight.
Thank you for the honest comparison Matt! I’m not quite to the level of needing woodpeckers accuracy yet, but I did buy a dfm square based on a recommendation from one of your previous videos, and I’ve been happy with that so far!
I try to follow what Matt Moreman of Obsessed Garage espouses, “Honor the source”, if it is something innovative that supports the industry and makes our lives / jobs / hobbies better or easier, but as a hobby wood worker, I can’t justify the price difference.
Thank you for factoring in the research, development, and design that Woodpecker did when making these products. It’s not just the manufacturing costs: of course the Chinese copies are going to be cheaper since they were able to skip all those steps.
Not a lot of super innovative designs in the woodpecker layout line. Not like say saw stop or even Festool (dust collection advancements mostly)
@@ehisey Sawstop is a truly innovative design, but you don't have to innovate to put a lot of time / money into design. Iterating and improving existing designs still has costs involved, and those who copy those designs inherently have to spend less to produce a similar product. I imagine that Woodpeckers also spends a lot of time and money on their manufacturing process, acquiring & testing quality materials, etc., and it is unlikely that the Chinese manufacturers do so to the same level. This is evidenced by things like Matt (731, not OG) has shown in the past, such as 3 rules from the same company all having different measurements.
@@allan5721 Most of the stuf fin this video is just Quality control. It really does not justify the price difference. Woodpecker was not even the first to come up with some of these designs and bought them with the purchase of Blue Spruce Tool Works. QC and design is nice, but not always worth the premium. the poapline as an example is plenty accurate from the knockoff for wood working.
I bought the fake on amazon. Was little ashamed. Cary in my estimate clip board….they come in handy for sketch ups. Hopefully I add the WP version to the shop wall soon!
I like good tools. best in the end
Cool comparisons. Cheers.
Thoughts on 3d printed tools, example corner clamps, speed square or multitools - they obviously do not compare to quality, although considering the price, for simple uses it could be a great savings for someone starting off?
Very useful, thank you.
If you have ever tried to return a tool to another company for a refund/replacement, the Woodpeckers tools are worth the money.
Super helpful video. Thanks!
I got the knockoff set of 3 pocket rules after a different video of yours showing the tool. great value, really nice to have a few of them handy to "save" small measurements during a project. I like them way more than trying to use a combo square when measuring in from edges. thanks for that recommend!
731 Matt, I really appreciate you doing these comparisons. You do bring up I’d rather interesting point. And while the Amazon products being from China is problematic on many levels, it isn’t the main issue.
I think a higher importance is something you point out a lot of these tools are nearly identical. And the question you ask is why are not trademark infringement‘s being enforced. I think part of the answer is China’s own unique trademark system. As well as our own unique patent system. And I believe the reason they’re able to get around them is because of the slight imperfections that you point out. And these imperfections may seem slight, but as you say, in the aggregate, they could prove to be Gamechangers.
He also cannot put a price on a lifetime warranty. Craftsman used to be known for that. Then again, they used to be known for making a Tools so there’s that. But that is priceless.
The real issue is that Amazon actively Corded and contracted with Chinese companies to make these tools in the image and likeness of woodpecker‘s tools. So the real Monster here is Amazon. Not the customer. In no way is it the customer. Is there some culpability at some level that’s up to the individual consumer themselves to live with their moral conscience. I am in no position to judge anyone.
Thank you again for your seller Contant ‼️‼️‼️✊🏼✊🏼✊🏼
Boutique tools are nice, but they don't always offer greater utility. I'll pay a third for the cheap stuff and have more budget for the tools that really matter to me.
The thickness on Chinese knock off is based on mm not in inch. So you gotta measure it in mm.
If you go with the premise that woodworking IS NOT an extact science since the wood (as the rest of the materials) contracts and expands but the difference is that it doesn't do it evenly, what is an exact measure? Does it justify the extra cost?
This is a great video Matt! I watch your videos and learn things all the time. I greatly appreciate American made products since I was a young man which was decades ago. I grew up in a steelworker family but Woodpeckers prices are outrageous. I greatly appreciate videos like this one very much and also like the open-minded opinion you have on tool purchase. Keep up the good work!
A rule being slightly off doesn't matter in the end if that's the only measuring device being used... because all the measurements would be relative to each other and it should work out.
Got my set of foxtrott chinese version today and measured accuracy of scale vs 6" Incra T Rule. It was spot on all the way out to 6" on all three rulers (test carefully and be aware of removing parallax error before yiu come to conclusion)
Your a wood worker but it bothers you to put in 4 screws for a T square?
On a long term use, I prefer woodpeckers, my fake tools don't aged well.
That’s what I’m thinking. Over time, how does the cheap one hold up? Will the numbers rub off?
Even for someone like me who is DIY, I need all the help I can get with quality tools😂
I purchased the pocket rule set after seeing a video about them, in black last year. For checking the depth/width settings. Checked it against the only real square I have (Starrett) and they were all dead on. Thank you for sharing your review of the fakes. Well done. Everyone stay warm, safe, happy and healthy. From Henrico County Virginia
I just can't justify paying the woodpeckers prices for a piece of aluminum. Are woodpeckers tools good? Yes. Are they way too expensive? Also yes. Same thing with Festool. Cant justify those prices for a plastic tool in a plastic box.
Purchase some of each of this brand's products use them for a year and then tell me the price isn't justifiable. I'm by no means wealthy but I've bought the Rotex 125($659 I believe) and the Festool finish sander ($229)
And three different woodpeckers products (delve square , stainless steel combination square set, 12" T-square) but I can attest they are DEFINITELY worth the money. The Rotex obliterates the sanding time of the my Dewalt sander and time is money ESPECIALLY where woodworking is concerned. And the accuracy required for fine woodworking is something woodpecker GUARANTEES and to me both of those are important. Not saying you're wrong for feeling like you do I'm just saying that after a year of use of these you wouldn't be able to truthfully claim that. I say all this respectfully.
They sell steel ones, which is what I bought. Even more expensive. But they are a joy to use!
For me, festool saves time. Most times 10-30%. So it pays itself back. Everyone its own.
@@vampirejesus8170 I agree about the one time tool aspect I am not a big fan of that, also I guess I'm just not advanced enough yet to the point I can make do with whatever I have to work with I'll get there eventually I have pretty good
Mentors to talk to when I encounter an issue that is beyond my comprehension
@@stephenpalazzi720 I hear you there. It is good to have people you can bounce questions off of..
And just what did you use to make sure the woodpecker brand is dead on correct. I not asking to conflict or anything, just wondering. The woodpecker may be off ever so slightly but which one that is off is not off to mess up any wood working anyone does.
Prices in the US are absolutely insane for tools. And almost anything else really.
Great video and great tools
I hate to be "that guy" but Greg's last name is Paolini, not Paloni. He pronounces it 'Pow lini.' I've had this ruler since 2013 and there's not a project I make that I don't use it on. Aside from the pronunciation, great video.
If it didn’t say “Woodpeckers”, it’s not “fake”. You can call it knockoffs, imitations, etc., but not fakes.
Woodpecker owns the Trade Dress ( red color ) and legally would be considered a counterfeit.
@Brian Monks at this point, Woodpecker has pretty much lost any Dress protection due to lack of enforcement if registerd as TM and being a simple color is going to have trouble getting latham protection.
I agree with you.
Hi Matt, good work with the video and very glad you made it, hoping you continue to show alternatives to the more expensive name brands.
In my own experience some of the "fake" tools can be very useful while in your woodworking journey. In many ways I see the near complete knockoffs (along with the much lower price) as a means of "discovering" if the tools is useful in your given situation learning how to use the tool, often the initial acquisition of a knockoff acting as a "transition" tool, one you purchase to find the utility before eventually taking the larger plunge.
In your woodworking career I am sure you can point to a number of tools that were very good for the purpose, and served you very well, but when introduced to the next level of quality, consistency, ease, and precision tools (plus having the means and experience) you were then able to understand (and I would say both appreciate AND utilize) the value of next level tools.
My point is that I have found a number of the China tools (as long as they not a complete waste - not straight, square, whatever) allowed me to evaluate and "discover" the utility of the tool without breaking the bank, while allowing me to target tools that really work for me, while not too distant in the future purchasing the clearly better (though sometimes in a subtle way) when I was ready and able to appreciate/utilize it, all while getting utility out of the "lesser" tool continuing my woodworking journey.
So, in this sense I see the knockoff tools are discovery and transition tools those suggesting that advocate the buy America thing need not worry, as those that advance in their woodworking journey we get there eventually, and those that don't see the need will get the utility.
Good sale person.
Great comparisons, thank very much. Although I support the USA version, I think these USA shops are abusing our love for them with absurd prices and probably profits.
The CEO gotta pay for that third yacht somehow!
"Made in USA" used to mean something. Now it's just there to justify an absurd price so the greedy executives can line their pockets more.
I’ve told my son that if he puts my tools into an estate sale one day, he would be wise to keep anything that says Woodpeckers
What can you do with the Paolini rules that you cannot do with the T Square other than stand it up on end?
put it in your pocket
@@731Woodworks I will be more specific in my question. T Square fits in a pocket as well depending on the length. Until you get to maybe 12 inches I wouldn't think that you would typically walk around with a twelve inch Paolini or T Square in your pocket but you could hang both of them from a tool belt. Once the Paolini or T Square is out of a pocket or not hanging on your tool belt, what can the Paolini do that you cannot do with the T Square again besides stand up the T Square? Trying to understand the value of having the Paolini if it seems you can do the same with a T square.
@@robertknowles3677 I think the Paolini Pocket Rule is more suited for smaller stock/work. The T Square is better on bigger stock / sheet goods, etc. It's much easier to scribe parallel lines with the t-square vs the pocket rule. But the pocket rule has the sliding stop so you can use that to repeat measurements, depths, etc. like setting the placement of door knobs, etc. Or marking the placement of say the apron on a table from the bottom of the legs.
Great work as always.👍👍
Thank you!
Good comparison, but I wouldn't call them "fake" simply because they are just copycats, not counterfeit.
Appreciate the honesty of this video. Especially since you readily admit you are a Woodpeckers fan. Most folks wouldn't admit that something cheaper would rival the expensive stuff.
Thanks for that!
It's not just USA made; it is that Woodpeckers has spent a lot of time on the design and the knockoffs are ripping them off. Most of the Facebook ads for the fake even use the Woodpecker product videos.
I have a mixture of Woodpeckers and knockoffs. Never ever has this been a problem in making precision joinery. Good video!
Those Truewerk pants look a little tight for my liking......
Just size up? 🤷♂️
It's a piece of machined aluminum. In this day and age, ANY country can make that to the level of Woodpeckers. Now whether they care to do so...
Also the reason the measurement marks were slightly off is because it's painted. Laser etching would guarantee consistent precision.
You are still THE MAN!
Thanks brother, I really appreciate your hard work and especially this comparison. I live on disability so as much as I’d love to have woodpeckers tools but it’s just impossible so now I know a set I can get, thank you!!!
Great comparison video Matt. I have some Woodpeckers measuring tools and they are fantastic for sure, but the prices they charge is something else. My go to has become IGaging tools. I know they're made in China as well, but they seem to be as accurate as Woodpeckers and, with my budget, they're what I can afford.
While your assumption that the Woodpeckers are the ones with the correct distance markings (e.g. 9:50) is likely correct, how you came to that conclusion in the video isn't clear.
At 9:52 is looks more like the Woodpeckers tool shows the edge of the wood at 1/32nd of an inch.
You could/should have used gauge blocks or 1-2-3 blocks to show the accuracy of the tools in a better way.
Wait a minute. Obviously, you like the Woodpecker brand, but we're looking at a price difference of $352 US between the products you mentioned. Yes, we can get into pencil-like differences when it comes to microscopic line measurements, but then you have to take into account how sharp your pencils are, and how close you actually cut. As far as warranty, I suggest you read through the fine print, factor in the return cost and don't forget the $350 price.
Woodpecker is not selling a single saddle T square; only selling in a set. Or do you have a link to a single woodpecker saddle t square? Love watching your comparisons.
They sell them individually on their website www.woodpeck.com/saddle-t-square.html
I for one after spending 1000's of hours (no joke) squaring up saw blades to tops, can tell you this - you get what you pay for. Woodpeckers and Festool are stupid with pricing, but I'd go that route IF you are a production shop, you are making money and it's saving time.
For the knock offs - Identify what you are using it for. #1 for me is do the rules match within 12"? If yes, I'd go for the knock off. The holes being wider is a no no for me, I don't appreciate that. I can see the t square, I'd use that for marking lines, but not measuring.
See? If you KNOW what the limits are, you can PLAN around them. If you can save money, do it - but do it knowing what you are walking into. Just like any woodworking person wouldn't use two different tape measures (if you feel called out, good, stop it now!) from two different mfg - ie, using a Fastcap (just throw away ALL your other tape measures and only use them!) with a stanley or a lufkin, etc. You'll want to punch yourself in the face later. They are always off a bit, I'm talking like 1/32" or so, but cuts made over 6 or 12 foot you will notice.
If you spent any time doing this and being frustrated beyond measure (no pun intended, ok maybe a little) then you will know.
Take all tap measures in your shop that aren't fastcap, and toss them. Thank me later.
Love Truwerks. The built-in knee pads are a game changer
Very good tool comparison, saving money is always high on list. Now I’m taking a stand as an proud patriot and will keep buying more woodpecker tools!
@erich walters yup. As Saagar Enjeti one said "at some point we have to be citizens first before consumers" Also I've learned that "buy once cry once" is true.
Thanks for the reviews on all of these, it's very informative. I bought the DFM Small Carpenter Square based on your reviews on it, and i also bought the DFM Mini-Square which i have to say is a good price at 20 some odd dollars and i like how you can use it with the included pins to find dead center on most stock. I will probably buy one of the woodpeckers t-squares, one or two of the paolini pocket rules and either the 1241 or 641 stainless steel square. Unfortunately i can't afford both, and not sure if i should go with the 6-inch or 12 inch model first...
got the china version from Temu for $13 (New Zealand dollars). pleased with it. and as i am not American im not held back by made in America
@@1pcfred we have our days to remember too and i’m sure the world is grateful for all those who sacrificed from EVERY country in the world for our freedom. however i am not compelled to buy American because of the war. i would buy British (my origins) and New Zealand first. sorry we all got to look after our own economies
@@1pcfred i thought this was a woodworking channel not a channel to bag every other country but the USA. please stop with your comments
Love the coin collection in the background. Do a video on those......
You did a fantastic job comparing these products! Only problem I have, is that inner struggle I get when I see these on Amazon. I always click on them and get tempted to buy, but don’t because I tell myself that there is no way they will be as good as Woodpeckers. Now I can’t do that 🤦♂️. I think I would still go with the USA made over China for my layout tools. It would be awesome if Woodpeckers would lower their prices a little bit, but I don’t see that happening.
If the graduations are not accurate, then it's a stick, not a rule.
Woodpeckers not available in the Uk
The China version has a lot of selection to choose from. The price really is the dealmaker.
Hi Matt .. been watching and enjoying your channel for a while now (which is why I subscribed). I have a question which is not really related to this particular video but I couldn't find the one I was looking for. I know you are a huge fan of Taylor Toolworks and because of your reviews I have bought some items from them. I live in the UK by the way. So far I have been really pleased with the quality of what I purchased but my question is .. am I right in thinking you mentioned all of Taytools products are made in the US? I have just received a set of 4 precision squares and while they look the part I was amazed to see a nice sticker on the box saying 'Made in India'. Was I wrong to assume that everything they sell is American made?
Hello. I've said he is a small family owned business in the USA but his tools are sourced from various places.
Thanks for the instant reply. I guess I misunderstood and need to pay more attention next time!! Cheers 👊
I'm not American so it seems to me Woodpeckers used the Snap-On and Harley Davidson marketing strategy of 'your not a real American' if you don't buy Made In America'. (although HD at one time could only say 'Assembled in USA' as they made less than 50% of finished motorcycle here)
The Woodpeckers stuff IS very nice but your paying way over the top just in case they have to replace it plus, material cost are probably a bit higher (Labour isn't really an issue with CNC machining)
Now that was an honest and informative review! Your killing it Mighty Matt!!
Thanks Lloyd!