5 Reasons Why Riders Crash in Corners
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- čas přidán 20. 06. 2024
- I went down twice on the track this year so I’ll share what happened so that you can avoid these common types of cornering "hard landings" , and during my 2 day masterclass with Ken Hill, a professional racer for 20 years and coach of many champion winning racers, he explains 5 reasons why riders go down.
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When I was taking the class for my road racing license in '97, I ran off in turn 3. The lead instructor, David Aldana, later told me he loved watching my "controlled off-track excursion." He was behind me when I went off course as I instantly switched from road racing mode to motocross mode and stood up on the pegs with my elbows out and wheelied thru grass and dirt back onto the track at high speed. I just loved his expression "controlled off-track excursion." (It was blind luck...)
LOL that's amazing!!
Who said track bikes can't go offroad right? 😅
yeah no that didn't happen
@@DoodleOnAMotorcycle You need to spend a lot of time riding trails in the woods. You will learn very quickly to NEVER focus on anything but where you are going and where you need to go and always assess your speed to make sure you can do both. If you are going too fast, no amount of leaning/counter steering is going to save you because the bike can only lean so much. Slow down entering till you see the exit accelerate off. You will be forced to ride this way in the woods or you will hit a tree.
I was actually there and saw the whole thing. It did happen. Dude kept calm and stayed up.
I'm 66 and still learning when backroading, don't look where you don't want to go, look where you want to go.
Also, don't watch the rider in front of you, look past him/her.
Leaning how to fly made me really appreciate the value of applying unputs smoothly and slowly. The key to this is anticipating what is ahead and planning for it in advance. I have applied this to both motorcycling and driving a car, and it has resulted in vast improvements in both. Whenever I find myself applying harsh inputs it is ususally because I have made at least 1 error (usually more) leading to this non-ideal situation.
Thanks
Dan is correct - adrenaline can do weird things. Back when I was a plaintiffs personal injury attorney, I saw it all the time. The client would be in a car wreck and refused medical attention because they did not think they were injured. The next day, or the day after, they would be wracked with pain. And of course the insurance companies would us this against them: "If you were hurt in the wreck, why did you not get medical attention until 3 days later?"
Oh man!!
Ah BI attorneys. Always looking for a buck…..
Nothing more humbling than unexpectedly taking a street bike off road through a turn, but a valuable learning experience with the right mindset. I learned it the hard way totaling mine, but immediately bought a new one & got back on the road.
Just goes to show you how much of a difference good gear makes. Sure you hurt later, but being able to just get up after any fall is a win in and of itself
I t-boned an SUV at ~40mph, somersaulted over the top of it and landed in the street. No body injuries. Gear saved me.
I'm very surprised it took you until now to purchase some airbag equipment with how safety conscious you are. Glad you have one now!
Awesome video Doodle! Can't wait for the next one. You are an inspiration to riders both experienced and new to train, learn and continue improving! 😎👍
Really helpful. Thanks for sharing this!
I recall my days at the track and having several oops moments. Those were tough lessons as back in those days i had to use my own bike. The lessons I learnt on the track made me a better rider on the street though and it also changed my mindset. I never rode crazy on the street again after my track days as falling on the track at high speeds is a lot different than falling on public streets at high speeds. You're goibg to gain so much more wisdom form these track experiences Doodle
This was awesome Doodle. These are very valuable lessons. Appreciate you sharing them with us. I’ll keep this in mind for when I go to Yamaha champ school in August.
Ahhh you'll have so much fun!!
The most important one is being aware of your vision and really making it important to yourself to look to where you need to go. I've got a personal experience where this helped me stay on my wheels when things could easily have gone very bad. I was out riding with two friends, and the woman infront of me lowsided her bike in a turn. The most common thing is that you want to see if she's ok, but that's the opposite of what you should do. You have to understand that you are still sitting on a motorcycle at speed, so that's why I forced myself to look into the corner and find the find a suitable place to stop. Little did I know but her bike smacked into a rockwall and travelled out into the street again and landed right infront of me. Thankfully there was no vehicles coming in the opposite direction because I needed the other lane to save the day.
I did manage to stay upright and park the bike, and then run over to check on her. She had broken her hip, so definitely painful but other than that she was fine. The ambulance came fairly quick as well and she did get back on her bike after a bit which was what made it all a lot better, because so often people shut down after a crash which is understandable. I just try to advice people to get back on the bike, just take it easy to begin with to build confidence again, that's all.
another excellent cornering and track course is American Supercamp. It is dirt track taught by pro road racers/flat track racers both active and retired and it is so much fun I have gone 6 times
In the UK crashong sliding the front is called a "lowside" while crashing after sliding the back, followed by re-grip followed by flip up and over is called a "highside".
Have you asked yourself why you target fixated? Thats not a cause, but an effect. Without knowing the "Why" you are highly likely to do it again. Once any rider has Target fixated particularly at a track, it means that mentally the rider has already decided that they can't make the corner and are going to wreck or go off course. They have given up on trying to make the corner. So in relation to you, either you were afraid to lean (doubtful given your experience,) afraid to brake in the corner(possible if you don't know better which you should given your experience), or you realized too late you were going way too fast, which is what it sounds like which led to giving up on slowing down and trying to get the bike to turn. You did say overconfidence. So thats a good step.
I was a test driver for a car company years ago. and have tried S.C.C.A. autocross racing. Been riding for almost 20 years now. But. not sure if confident enough trying a track day on a motorcycle yet. It`s not the speed, it`s the not having as much protection as a car does. Good for you Doodle. You're doing a great job trying that and all the other different kinds of riding. Stay safe.
I've been riding for a year and 8 months. I just finished my 3rd track day and definitely plan to go back. At least in my estimation, if you've been riding for 20 years you most certainly have the competency for track riding. If I can do it you absolutely can as well.
Love that you're featuring some of Ken Hill's tips. Shiny side up Doodle 👍
I loved this video. Breaking down where you could have done better is hard for so many. Here you so gracefully break it down so we can do better.
Just a moment of gratitude for your awesome videos. Thank you.
It took me 3 crashes in the street to humble myself. So you killin’ it!
Great Video 👍
Love Dan. Always enjoy watching his videos
One thing I learned from Dave Moss is your suspension is very important as well. You want your suspension set up for you. If you bottom out your suspension and you hit any bumps your tires become the suspension and with your tires not having a lot of suspension travel sliding becomes your suspension travel until you inevitably slide on the ground
I always enjoy your videos!!!
thank you!!!
Personally I have always just focused mostly on how the bike sounds, feels, the motor, the vibrations, the rubber noise etc. ahhhh love it.
Hey Doodle, just found your channel a couple of weeks ago. Watching a lot of your stuff lately. I have to say it's just a joy to see how you get better and better from year to year. I am riding motorcycles since more then 40 years now but honestly I think I am not better then you are after what ever 8 or 9 years. Just keep on grinding. It's amazong to follow yopur journey.
Greets from Germany, Stefan
But I have to say I never did any trainings. It was just not a thing back in the days. But it's never to late ;-)
GREAT VIDEO❤
It’s a good thing you ride for the slide… too many people don’t.
Another great video!!
Wouldn't be allowed on the track without it! :D
Great advice here, Doodle! I wear those Flying Eyes shades too (thank you for your discount code!). Fantastic fit under my helmet (the only sunglasses that actually fit).
A Harley bagger can lean about 27 degrees. A Moto GP racer can lean 68 degrees. But it takes a real hero to lean their bike the full 90 degrees. Welcome to the club!
Doodle, Christian Sarron was supposed to be photographed riding his very fast bike. Cold tires resulted in a broken wrist at less that twenty miles an hour. It happens. I'm sure of the spelling but he was one of the top riders in the country.
hey Doodle your back long time no see love your vids
Training, training, and more training . Every day is a training ride. Build those skills👍 It’s always a pleasure to watch your videos. Be safe out there, and enjoy the ride to the fullest.
Nice! Analyzing and learning from mistakes has kept me riding for almost 50 years. Getting old now, a whole new set of issues to deal with.
I hope you learned something. In a single day you had more accidents on your motorcycle than I have had ever. In 1979 I had a fast front wheel puncture on the Autoroute. I have never gone to a track day and probably never will. I'm 66 and don't want to crash again. Once was enough.
Please ride safe!
Another reason to crash (not necessarily in the corners) is what happened to a friend this pass weekend... while riding 60mph on a straight country hwy. a deer came out of know where into my friends lap.... the bike laid over and down to the right, the deer went to the left and my friend went rolling, then upright and rolled some more down the road. The HD Road glide totaled, dead pregnant deer and he suffered a little road rash on the face, bruised body but no broken bones or deep cuts. He was lucky to say the least. Be safe and be Blessed!!!!
Curious, what time of day did this happen?
@@spartanx169x It was around 1:30/2:00 pm in the afternoon and was in the Washington Natl. Forrest in VA.
I had a similar injury experience from crashing on a motocross track. I woke up at 3:00 am the next morning with pain, nausea, and chills. I had minor fractures in my left tib and fib.
The armor did its job 💪💪💪💪💪 Glad you're okay =)
Thanks!🤙
That information about the injury is good to hear. Not sure it would occur to me as I would want to just jump back on and ignore it (if I could)
Excitement -seems it gets you in trouble on a bike.
Thanks for sharing
3:48 GOD BLESS YOU DOODLE JI😰😰😰😣😣😣😣😣🤝🤝🤝🤝🤝
LowSIDE like you said in the cutaway at 00:37, not lowslide. My learning curve started on sportbikes so it's interesting to see someone with so much experience have to learn how to ride differently in a track setting.
Ouch, hope you're feeling a little better
The 7 reasons we crash*:
COLD Tires
Rushing corner entry
Lack of focus
Abruptness
Overconfidence
Not adjusting to change
Repeating the same mistake
(*YCRS)
Not sure if it has been mentioned but I see a lot of riders not having confidence in their bike’s abilities when cornering and end up going wide into other lanes or off of the road. You HAVE to be comfortable with both your own skills and the bike. I know I’ve been guilty of this when I was a newer rider, especially, but even after over 40 years of experience, I sometimes have to put my head in check and realize… I have quality tires, I’m on a well maintained motorcycle, and it can do more than I think to keep me safe.
Riding over their skill level.
should have seen when I hit the concrete wall at US 41 Drag Strip showing off to 5 chic's, bad day for me. One of the reasons I have crashed in the past, trying to look good in traffic.
on my bike.
For the last 20 years I've had sunshades integrated in the helmet, easy switch on/off while riding.
Something else nobody talks about is how to break "Target Fixation". It happens to everyone, even MotoGP riders. What do you do when it happens? In a panic your body does what it has practiced so there must be a good way to practice "Anti-Target-Fixation" .
I think most people consider target fixation to be innate. Focusing on danger and deciding how to deal with it is favored from an evolutionary perspective. There are things you can practice to overcome it though. Being more intentional, specific and consistent with looking where you want to go is a good start. The next thing is knowing when to shift your focus to the next target and using your peripheral vision for anything that is less than 10m away. This is something you can practice on the road at every turn, stoplight or stop sign - keep your head up and your gaze in line with the horizon. One situation I’m still struggling with is approaching a blind corner or coming over a rise, but I’m working on looking past the thing blocking my vision while still looking in the direction I want to go. Like many other things, we need to develop good habits to overcome natural tendencies
A lot of bikes are dropped in the spring, because of low tire pressure. Tires all lose pressure over time, not just during wi ter storage. Check those pressures.
Darn Doodle you actually seem to enjoy dropping bikes ! Lol.... stay safe
Thanks fore the info. Overconfidence is definitely a factor. But u survived to ride another day ❤👍🏾
Take care stay blessed ❤❤❤
Omg I love it...
For me, overestimating wet grip is the most common cause for crashes.
I've been riding a looong time. Have had over 50 bikes. Never have I ate it in a corner, turn, or sweeper. One must know their limitations.
5:40 😍❤❤
I’m very skeptical of motorcycle riding glasses that have thin flexible frames even if they have “shatterproof” lenses. Maybe easier to slide into a full face helmet, but safe? I have my doubts!
I always wear my certified safety glasses when riding my motorcycle. Certified safety glasses are more than just a shatterproof lens. It’s also a frame that prevents the lens from pushing back into your eye when hit. On fashion glasses the lens is placed in the frame from the rear to achieve a nice clean look on the front of the frame. But that means the lens will travel back into your eye when struck. On safety glasses the lens must be placed in from the front because the frame is designed to prevent the lens from moving towards the eye when hit. And the frame is sturdy enough to take a strong hit. Thin & flexible are kinda the opposite of what’s required to actually protect your eyes.
Good video thanks! I want to ride the Tail of the Dragon this year and frankly…I’m kinda freaked of all the curves. We should ride it together !
Slowed and pointed at the turns... Amen!
I totally love that you're calling it "low slide"! I mean, that's basically what it is!
LOL - it's called a "Low Side" (as in the side of the bike that touches the track first after you lose traction).
Doodle.. tha "Hawk Tuah!" Girl.. is that you?? 😅 Tell us honestly. 😂🎉
what to say, we should be learning to ride smoothly, a bike should glide, effortlessly round corners with minimal input form the rider.
I feel like every new rider should watch doodle and danthefireman
Glasses thing. I always get safety rated glasses.
Slow is smooth. Smooth is fast.
Read or watch Twist of the Wrist 1&2 by Keith Code and then when your done do it again, It will help immensely for you street riding and especially your track days!!!!
It’s not needed. What’s needed is to just ride
@@mygi43543 There is only so much you will learn on your own, You would know that if you've been riding any length if time.....
@@mygi43543 The fact that you even said that tells me you know absolutely nothing about riding....You think you can learn it all by yourself???
@@michaelsalice9952 watching keith code twist of the wrist that is outdated....good advice.
Just ride, go do courses etc forget watch keith code.
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5:21 😯😯😯😯😯😯👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
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Lowside
Speed multiples every event in your life.
Key word, high speed :D at Low Speed, practically nothing happens :D
Except it does. You can still low side.
What is high speed? Gaurentee you doodle didn’t do a high speed
Are you going to race soon? 😊
she needs to learn how to ride first
The term is ' low side' not low slide.
Five reasons for going down in a corner
1. Going too fast in a corner
2. Going too fast in a corner
3. Going too fast in a corner
4. Going too fast in a corner
5. Going too fast in a corner
no
@@mygi43543 Ok, there could be a sixth reason, but if you are falling asleep while on the motorcycle, then I am not sure that is a legit reason. lol
@@ariesmarsexpress clearly you dont ride a bike if you think going to fast in a corner is the only reason to crash
@@mygi43543 I do, but I like to keep things simple. All of the tricks to not lose the bike in a corner are all related to how to do that while going faster than the corner was designed for. Go the speed it was designed for, which is usually posted just before that corner, (and don't target fixate), and you will never go down in a corner of your own volition.
I went down on a corner. Was a freeway on ramp. It had sprinkled earlier in the day. I was going slowly around the corner and my bike lost traction and I went sliding with my bike
Show the wreck
Reason #6: gravel.
#1 reason : Riders don't practice. Get out to the parking lot and do your low speed exercises.
Low speed exercises literally dont translate to track riding at any level. At no point, on literally any track, are you doing 10mph through cones at 1100 rpm stabbing your breaks and neutral coasting.
Doodle... Can I make an observation? You look very timid and uncomfortable at speed, especially in corners where you are achieving a massive 20-degree lean angle, I'm kidding about the lean being massive. It wasn't that long ago where you literally mastered the art of maneuvering a 900 lb. bike around a tight course at slow speeds. You went from timid to comfortable and when you are comfortable you become confident. In order to apply the techniques Ken is teaching, you first need to become comfortable at a minimum 30-degree lean. You're in GA, get on your bike and enjoy some weekend carving (not putting) thru the awesome roads you're 100% blessed to have just an hour or two away. There are tons of these really long sweepers where you can accelerate in the corner to increase or decrease your lean with a little throttle. I'm looking forward to seeing your confidence level by becoming more comfortable at increased lean angles. I promise, once you can smoothly enter and exit regular road corners at a good 30 degrees like it's no big deal... that's when you head back to the track. And I'm not saying break laws and take huge risks, just roll on the gas a little mid corner to get a bit more leaned over. Cheers, Love your content and what you're doing for women and the motorcycling community.
p.s. Ride to the top of Blood Mountain then turn of your bike and roll down the mountain in neutral. Practice getting the bike leaned over with zero throttle using only gravity and your brakes. You will be so surprised at how quickly you learn and you'll get these kind of "ah ha" moments.
Your too much of an amateur.. gotta have more experience..
Typical Advanced group track junkie here, while I would never advocate for people starting out to invest in tire warmers for track use, especially with dot street tires, the principles remain the same. Gotta get some heat in the tires that first lap out, do this by excessive breaking etc. This is why youll see riders hard pumping their breaks before T1 on pit out etc etc. Youre doing great, just keep listening to your coach and dont get too deep in your own head and start overthinking everything.
Doing great? Are you blind
Pro Tip: Take two Advil and two Tylenol at the start of the day. Even if you don't have a get off, you'll be sore from leaning off, I sure am. Ive ridden the crash cart back to the paddock more than once.
Sorry, but taking medication before a motorcycle trackday is not good advice.